How Wireless Charging Works and Why It's Terrible

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You’ve seen wireless chargers, the tech is now as common as the smartphones they power. But did you know that they come with a big catch? Today we go over the tech behind wireless charging and just how much it actually takes to get your battery full again.
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Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:18 What to know about wireless chargers
00:36 How does wired charging work
01:11 How does wireless charging work
01:47 Wireless charging issues and some solutions
02:49 Worst Case Scenario of Wireless Charging
03:13 A look at the Tesla wireless charging platform
03:55 Final thoughts
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@YEdwardP
@YEdwardP 13 днів тому
What I find most frustrating is that if you're going to go as far as using magnets to ensure "perfect" alignment for the coils, you might as well use them to align metal contacts. Same convenience as "wireless" charging, but with the efficiency of wired charging.
@MaxPower-11
@MaxPower-11 13 днів тому
Most folks have cases on their devices and as such metal contacts probably won’t work particularly well.
@iyad8644
@iyad8644 13 днів тому
That wouldn't work well due to cases and camera bumps. Do keep in mind that many wireless chargers are integrated into flat surfaces like you'd find in cars, they don't all just flop around with a wire.
@Alexzw92
@Alexzw92 13 днів тому
Not a bad thought. Could work with a special case
@huncorn6938
@huncorn6938 13 днів тому
@@iyad8644 no problem. apple could make special magsafeish cases and sell for 100$
@supercellex4D
@supercellex4D 13 днів тому
invented the iPad smart connector award
@jarboer
@jarboer 13 днів тому
This is exactly why Apple never released AirPower, even Apple realized so many coils in a wireless charger is too much heat to manage properly. Honestly it’s good they pivoted to MagSafe and the Qi 2 standard adopted the same tech.
@antman7673
@antman7673 11 днів тому
I don’t know if it is necessary heat from too many coils: -The biggest problem is many coils and even if intelligently managed, there is still a. high chance of bad alignment. That bad alignment is then creating more heat during charging, then it otherwise would.
@asifabdullahzamee7476
@asifabdullahzamee7476 4 дні тому
Bullshit. I'm pretty sure they knew that before showcasing it on stage
@sippingthepeachsoda
@sippingthepeachsoda 3 дні тому
@@asifabdullahzamee7476Yeah they most likely assumed that another billion in r&d would fix it but it obviously didn’t, so it was cancelled.
@asifabdullahzamee7476
@asifabdullahzamee7476 День тому
@@sippingthepeachsoda right. also we are sending rockets in to deep interstellar space, to Mars so wireless charging tech is actually piece of cake and it should be. But apple actually underestimated the tech. Or else airpower actually could have been a great product in my opinion.
@achmadputra2
@achmadputra2 День тому
@@asifabdullahzamee7476 the problem with airpower isn’t just the heat, but also the fact that it had different 2 coils stack top of each other. the ordinary Qi coil and the apple watch magnetic coil.
@davidgoncalvesalvarez
@davidgoncalvesalvarez 13 днів тому
It’s terrible until the charging port doesn’t charge and the phone is able to stay alive for another year thanks to it.
@RainbowGin
@RainbowGin 13 днів тому
This is why we need repairable phones.
@dilutedoxygen
@dilutedoxygen 13 днів тому
This wouldn't be a problem if phones were repairable enough
@FarmYardGaming
@FarmYardGaming 13 днів тому
Real
@almfreak
@almfreak 13 днів тому
I agree with your sentiment, but it’s a bandaid to the real problem of un-repairable phones. There’s no reason you shouldn’t be able to pop down to a repair shop and have your charging port fixed for the same price as a certified wireless charger, but tech companies want you to buy more stuff, not fix the stuff you own.
@RandomUser2401
@RandomUser2401 13 днів тому
@@dilutedoxygen they are. changing the charging port is nothing you can't do on current phones.
@MichaelLargent
@MichaelLargent 13 днів тому
I didn't realize the power loss or temps were so high. I'm going back to the ol' wire. Much appreciate the video.
@monad_tcp
@monad_tcp 13 днів тому
I'm surprised its between 50% and 100%, I excepted wireless charging to be 300% extra energy wasted
@faranocks
@faranocks 12 днів тому
@@monad_tcp In ideal scenarios transferring energy through magnets is close to 100%. Many/most transformers use some variation of this, and reach efficiencies exceeding 95%, and many over 99%. This includes the power from the grid to 120/240/110v or from 120v to 12v in your desktop computer. The issue is that the formulas are extremely well known, documented, and explored. Power is directly proportional to the distance squared. You can't really get closer than what we are doing now. If the coils were essentially touching we would see even higher efficiencies, but that's unreasonable for a multitude of reasons.
@arcmchair_roboticist
@arcmchair_roboticist 12 днів тому
Another important note is how much of our power really is lost this way? Charging a phone, even at 25% efficiency takes 50 wh. Assuming you charge your phone about 1 time per day, this amounts to a very small overall amount of energy still. This energy is comparable to using a kettle, running a dishwasher for 2 minutes, or watching 30 minutes of TV. Personally I'm not convinced that the difference in energy from wireless to wired charging is really worth the inconvenience given that the difference in energy is pretty insignificant compared to so many other daily human activities.
@MichaelLargent
@MichaelLargent 12 днів тому
@@arcmchair_roboticist if you look at it yearly it becomes more obvious how much power it is. Suddenly you're looking at enough power to run a kettle for over 7 hours. Multiply that by millions of users and suddenly we're looking at enough power waste to run cities and a major carbon impact too.
@arcmchair_roboticist
@arcmchair_roboticist 12 днів тому
@@MichaelLargent yeah and the electricity consumption of producing a single hamburger is in the tens of kwh, will this change the consumption habits of people? Saving a couple of kwh a year per person is not worth much.
@Poorgeniu5
@Poorgeniu5 13 днів тому
My dad always complains about his phone getting hot when wireless charging in his car and no matter how centered I align his phone, it'll always gets hot and his phone will stop charging to control the thermals. But this video and illustration of Tesla solution of slapping so many coils might be the problem but my dad resorted to wired charging in his car anyway.
@RootBert397
@RootBert397 12 днів тому
Does your dad drive a VW by any chance?
@Poorgeniu5
@Poorgeniu5 12 днів тому
@@RootBert397 Nah, he drives a 23' Acura
@bjorncallewaert5841
@bjorncallewaert5841 7 днів тому
I have the same issue with my 13 pro in my 2024 Polestar 2
@RootBert397
@RootBert397 5 днів тому
@@bjorncallewaert5841 i tried so many cars, even expensive ones (i use a lot of car sharing so i drive a lot of different cars over a week) the only car charger that doesnt cook my 12 pro is the cheap 10€ one off ebay i put in my 30 year old shitbox miata. Hilarious.
@vasiovasio
@vasiovasio 3 дні тому
Jokes aside - Next time when you complain about this, just tell him the truth that Every One of us Without Exception will Die! Thats it. And see his reaction! 😉
@NotCaptainToad
@NotCaptainToad 12 днів тому
Glad to see this video. I worked in a phone store, where I would continuously correct everyone I worked with including my manager, that no, wireless chargers were not in fact better for your battery longevity and to stop telling that to the customers that weren't knowledgeable enough to know otherwise, so they had to trust our experience and advice. I quickly realized that they either didn't choose to believe me or do any research themselves before making recommendations, or didn't care because selling an additional $40-$70 charger as essential for phone health was part of their commissions. I remember them saying they "trickle charge" like it was some feature of the wireless chargers when it's just something most modern phones do. Mind you I still sold a decent amount of them being completely honest with people, as there are still use cases even without a claim of better battery longevity. Convenience, an alternative if your port fails, to name a few. This is one of the many reasons I chose to move into the electronic repair business instead, a lot more honesty there compared to retail phone sales.
@larrylarrington9229
@larrylarrington9229 9 днів тому
It really irritates me when people blindly trust employees at a phone store
@SonicXRage
@SonicXRage 7 днів тому
It's frustrating to me when I see anyone put their full trust in an "expert." It's so easy to be deceived either intentionally or by the negligence of said "expert." That's why I try to do my own research before buying anything.
@alleeadl289
@alleeadl289 4 дні тому
people like you make the world a better place for everyone, thanks.
@mattpolton3802
@mattpolton3802 19 годин тому
@@larrylarrington9229 i agree i think it becaue they the type that trust local people over some one line
@nemotamang58
@nemotamang58 2 години тому
It really infuriates me when the seller tries to sell items beyond their expertise with half-assed sales pitch. Went to buy laptop, seller doesn't know what type of CPU it has. He just says intel i5 or i7 or Ryzen 5. [CPU have H,P,U,G,E etc lineups that indicates how intense it can perform & how power effecient it is. As well as the generation of the cpu.]
@ashfakuddinahmed1807
@ashfakuddinahmed1807 13 днів тому
Living in a subtropical country, 30°C temperature feels almost like late fall or early spring. It's usually 40-42°C during summer and 35-38°C most of the year. So our phone batteries are constantly getting degraded even without charging.
@hyakinthos_0902
@hyakinthos_0902 13 днів тому
its the rapid charge and discharge that will definitely wear the battery faster as long as battery temp is within 45C you dont need to worry i have my iphone for 4 years with 83%capacity left and the climate is usually as tropical as yours is
@MMuraseofSandvich
@MMuraseofSandvich 13 днів тому
I'm told in extreme cold conditions the battery will also have a lot less charge capacity. There's always a temperature rating with batteries, and at either extreme of the operating range they are much less efficient.
@mynameissang
@mynameissang 13 днів тому
​@@MMuraseofSandvichdownright nonfunctioning, in my experience. I used to work in a warehouse where we couldn't take our phones, so I would leave it in my car turned off. In the winter when temps got below freezing, when I got off work, I couldn't turn it back on until I warmed it up with the car heater.
@monad_tcp
@monad_tcp 13 днів тому
unless you keep you A/C running forever to drop to 25c. >30c is unbearable
@LorneChrones
@LorneChrones 13 днів тому
Lithium batteries have a narrower charging temperature range than operating (non-charging/discharging) range. For instance, a typical LiPo may only be recommended to charge between 5-45C (closer to room temp is still better because less heat related wear). Whereas typical LiPos are recommended to be discharged between -20C and +60C. So there's still some heat related wear on batteries discharging in a hotter climate but its not as bad as charging in a hotter climate.
@coder543
@coder543 13 днів тому
At 2:43, the wired connection is represented by a dashed line, the wireless connection is represented by a solid line... an interesting subversion of expectations.
@DaMu24
@DaMu24 12 днів тому
Not sure what you mean
@coder543
@coder543 12 днів тому
@@DaMu24 wired charging should be the solid lines, like a charging cable is a solid line, and wireless charging should be the broken lines. Reading the chart with them reversed made it more confusing to my tired brain at the time.
@c4ldas
@c4ldas 12 днів тому
@@coder543 I felt the same, and I needed to pause the video to invert the idea in my mind! :D
@simplig1272
@simplig1272 9 днів тому
​@@DaMu24 an universally accepted and logical thing, not only in technical drawings, but on maps, and in general illustration is that solid lines represent solid, visible objects or features. A dashed line represent invisible, imaginary or theoretical objects or features.
@ColinTedford
@ColinTedford 7 днів тому
This bothered me so much! 😅
@RainbowGin
@RainbowGin 13 днів тому
I work in a phone store and always recommend wires over wireless charging. It's so much better
@1ssac1
@1ssac1 13 днів тому
hidden cost of cable is the repair of broken charging port. How many users will buy a new phone i/o paying hefty repair ?
@CommodoreFan64
@CommodoreFan64 13 днів тому
@@1ssac1 maybe I'm more careful with my stuff, but I've only had to replace a phone do to a bad charge port once, and that was Motorola Moto G3 that used crappy Micro B USB, and it really was not the port itself but a faulty charge controller chip that caused the port to get hot enough to start smoking.
@SnowyRVulpix
@SnowyRVulpix 13 днів тому
Its more efficient but its not better. Imo the convenience makes wireless so much better
@ImMattFromAus
@ImMattFromAus 12 днів тому
Yeah but I bet your boss wants you to sell more wireless chargers.
@AMabud-lv7hy
@AMabud-lv7hy 7 днів тому
​@@1ssac1Oh right, US peeps spend an arm and a leg for something as rudimentary as a port repair
@cookiesaregreat
@cookiesaregreat 10 днів тому
Appreciate you for sharing your conclusions at the *start* of the video, and making the video only as long as it needed to be to illustrate your conclusions (unlike most youtubers who intentionally breadcrumb the conclusions to force you to watch through their drawn out videos). Liked and subscribed!
@almfreak
@almfreak 13 днів тому
Great video! Thank you for sharing good info with tests and data to back it up! I appreciate the effort that you guys put into teaching things that benefit us users! Keep up the good fight!
@TReKiE
@TReKiE 13 днів тому
I like to use USB-C magnetic adapters as an alternative. You get the benefits of not having to be accurate with plugging in (plus you don't wear out the USB port), but retain the benefits of wired charging. Such functionality should really be added to the USB spec.
@kalafalas246
@kalafalas246 13 днів тому
MagSafe 3 on iPhones and iPads please! Such a better solution than the pad junk
@MMuraseofSandvich
@MMuraseofSandvich 13 днів тому
Magnetic USB adapters are generally not recommended because they're not guaranteed to connect ground first, unlike every USB connector. And since they're not part of the spec, there's no way to verify that they're complying with USB-IF. Also, if there's a data connection in the adapter (required for PD), you could get some weird or damaging behavior if the connector is popped loose and reconnected. However, if it works for you for over a year, it's probably fine, most phones have pretty good protection circuitry. Maybe they'll come up with a type D (or M for magnetic?) connector that uses pogo pins and magnets? They'll cost more than type C, unfortunately...
@rolf-smit
@rolf-smit 13 днів тому
​@@kalafalas246problem with MagSafe is that (again) it is proprietary. My MacBook came with one but I always take a USB-C cable with me instead, because I can use that cable for all my devices: Laptop, earbuds, phone, camera, power bank etc.
@gfyGoogle
@gfyGoogle 13 днів тому
@@rolf-smitthe MagSafe demonstrated in this video helped drive the Qi2 spec. So now Androids and all other Qi devices can have MagSafe alignment too!
@NithinJune
@NithinJune 13 днів тому
pogo pins just aren’t rated for that kind of current
@dvdragon
@dvdragon 13 днів тому
I had a feeling that was the case. Thanks for the testing.
@Diogoafsimoes
@Diogoafsimoes 13 днів тому
Loved the video. Would like to see how it compares with wireless charging stations that have fans
@bjornroesbeke
@bjornroesbeke 13 днів тому
It's all about compromises. The ease of being able to pick up the device and put it back to charge in a second is handy for example when you're doing many short trips in a car, and would rather not break the charge port. There's no point in choosing wireless over wired when the device is charging overnight.
@a1white
@a1white 13 днів тому
How difficult is it to spend 10 secconds more plugging in a phone?
@bjornroesbeke
@bjornroesbeke 12 днів тому
​@@a1white Nothing is difficult per sé, but forget disconnecting it once while exiting the car, and you can forget about using your usb port ever again. They break easily. A magnetic cable/connector combo is a good compromise, but in my experience, the two parts often stick to eachother a bit too well and i've lost many such connectors. Wireless charging was not the ideal, but still the better solution for me in that case.
@EnterTheSoundscape
@EnterTheSoundscape 10 днів тому
@@a1whiteIt’s less wear and tear on the charging port. I’ve had 3 phones where the charging port broke, I don’t plan on that happening again.
@jr.sw23
@jr.sw23 10 днів тому
​@@a1whitequite difficult actually when you deliver for Amazon and have to get into and out of the van approx 130 times a day.
@batdroid2705
@batdroid2705 9 днів тому
After my daughter (11) damaged three phones by always forcing in charger, we promptly got her a wireless charger. No issues since
@shanebarnes4622
@shanebarnes4622 13 днів тому
Thank you for this info! Keep it up!
@TechInspected
@TechInspected 13 днів тому
Appreciate the testing. I was hoping there was more tests about how much batteries degrade with higher temperatures, but that would take a huge amount of work and data.
@cywestbrook7448
@cywestbrook7448 12 днів тому
Most phones have a feature to disable fast wireless charging which significantly decreases heat and also slows down battery charging overnight to about 3 hours which can actually help reduce wear
@judgemint5374
@judgemint5374 12 днів тому
Finally someone competent pointing out this waste. Thank you!!
@HSNG10
@HSNG10 9 днів тому
Sony Xperia 3 actually had a magnetic interface on its side that allowed for the convenience of "wireless" charging with the advantage of actual electric contact that avoided the loss of wireless charging. If only we can establish a standard interface using this concept for phones.
@TasoKeya
@TasoKeya 3 дні тому
your approach to content is so inspiring, keep up the great work!
@Chuzz1
@Chuzz1 10 днів тому
commenting to support these findings and data. love your work.
@kylehazachode
@kylehazachode 11 днів тому
Apple Magsafe kinda nailed it. Get the right magsafe stand and you really don't worry about charging. Even when I'm drunk I can wave my phone over my charging stand and it'll grab my phone outta my hand.
@Pumpkinwaffle
@Pumpkinwaffle 13 днів тому
Brilliant! We definitely need more educating videos like those! People need to learn best practices to avoid environmental impact.
@viStringTheory
@viStringTheory 13 днів тому
I'm glad to see someone calling this out. I wish this were more widely known so people could make informed choices to not purchase or use wireless charging.
@angryakita3870
@angryakita3870 13 днів тому
Doesn’t everyone know this? Magnetic charging is convenient, not good.
@quinton1661
@quinton1661 13 днів тому
I use wireless charging out of convenience since I'll need to plug and unplug frequently. I always place it under a small desk fan pointed at the phone. It keeps it nice and cool even after charging for over an hour - I imagine the battery temperature is kept a bit cooler from this. For overnight charging it's a 5 W charger to minimize heat. No need to charge from 20% to 80% in 30 minutes when it's going to be plugged in for 7 more hours anyway.
@Zatchillac
@Zatchillac 12 днів тому
They make wireless chargers with fans built in. I have 3 of them and my phones never even get remotely warm when using them. I also have some without built in fans and phones DO get fairly warm on them
@buffuniballer
@buffuniballer 11 днів тому
@@Zatchillac I was going to say the same. The ESR Magsafe certified chargers I use in our cars include a fan. Even with my Belkin chargers at home, I don't perceive my phones getting to 30C
@FreddyHartanto
@FreddyHartanto 13 днів тому
Finally someone say something about this, been feeling disturbed for a long time with people glorifying wireless charging over fast charging. Thanks iFixit for mentioning this!
@mirage809
@mirage809 8 днів тому
Great to see some solid numbers on charging efficiency and thermals. I’ve heard claims about wireless charging degrading battery life for as long as I’ve seen wireless chargers. But I’ve never seen people get into details and produce numbers. Are the temperature tolerances on lithium ion batteries that low? 35 degrees Celsius is stuff I see often on holidays and are quite common in some parts.
@raphaelarctic
@raphaelarctic 11 днів тому
I have few charging cables which have a separate tip connected by magnets. The tip stays in my device and when it needs charging, snapping it to the cable is easy and fast. I use them on devices that need charging daily and i dont want to wear out their port. Do these magnetic charging cables have any downside as opposed to normal cables?
@HockeyPlayer323
@HockeyPlayer323 13 днів тому
Happy to see more people talking about this!
@minipli
@minipli 11 днів тому
very nice video, quick and compact from the start on
@The.Jimmyboy
@The.Jimmyboy 13 днів тому
I've charged my Sony Xperia 1 IV wirelessly for almost two years now without issue BUT that being said I've only charged at 5w max to keep temperatures down. If i charge at 15w the phone becomes quite toasty (battery temps close to 40C). Wired 30w charging pretty much never exceed 30C but wireless charging at 5w is only a degree or two above room temperature. It's nice to just drop the phone on a pad after work and if I need faster charging wired is always an option.
@EpicATrain
@EpicATrain 13 днів тому
Question about your 65W USB-C GaN iFixit Fast Charger. Does it ONLY have one output? How can I charge multiple devices at once using this?
@the.bog.
@the.bog. 12 днів тому
Just use a “slow” 5W wireless charger for overnight charging. It’s much better for your battery to slowly charge (after a deep cycle preferably) than a super fast charge on a wire or a powerful wireless charger
@slavb0i646
@slavb0i646 11 днів тому
Its alot nicer to go eat breakfast and come back to your phone already charged to 85% in the morning than it is to have it on over night, when it will charge in the first 3 hours anyway.
@RenatoLaporte
@RenatoLaporte 12 днів тому
I’ven been a big fan of magsafe charger. Been using almost exclusively on my 13 pro max since its launch and I do not see any extreme battery wear, even with the frequency I charge my phone due to how much i use it. Must add that i live in a pretty cold region, with summer with >25° temperatures only lasting for a couple of weeks. When its hot i definitely feel my phone getting toasty no matter how I charge it. One solution I used last year was to put the phone in a thin plastic container, add a thin layer of water and then connect the magsafe under the container.
@crispyjokingtuna1495
@crispyjokingtuna1495 13 днів тому
Could you test the MagSafe duo? Specifically I’m interested in knowing what battery temps and energy efficiency are like when a phone and watch are dropped on it
@JanixosX3
@JanixosX3 2 дні тому
Awesome video :D I am wondering and often thinking about if it is true that chargers communicate via the cable with the attached devices. Like "Hey device XY, I can charge you with 30 Watt, N Ampere and K Volt. What do you accept? Do you also happen to be an Apple-Device?" or that there are mechanisms that ensure a safe charging, like protection against overheating or pumping out a to high / low current. Do you maybe already have a video about this topic?
@notmyname42
@notmyname42 День тому
Is a lower Wattage wireless charger better for an overnight charge? I usually leave it there when sleeping. On my S23U, it takes around 3h30 to charge from 20% to 100%, but I never notice it getting hot. It's an IKEA charging pad, where the other end is a USB A connector.
@joshuauriarte452
@joshuauriarte452 13 днів тому
I have a Galaxy S22U and wireless charge with a 5W charger. The battery does not get anywhere near 30C. It's even recommended to use wireless charging at 5W at night when the phone is of. Your phone being off is what helps prevent it from getting hot, and battery degradation.
@theagentsmith
@theagentsmith 13 днів тому
Makes sense. For overnight change 5W is adequate and the charging loss is a lot lower than at 15W fast wireless charge
@unliving_ball_of_gas
@unliving_ball_of_gas 12 днів тому
Why not use a 5W wired charger. Benefits of slow charging + wired.
@NotCaptainToad
@NotCaptainToad 12 днів тому
It's the slow 5W charge that is helping the battery, not the wireless charger. You would see arguably better battery longevity and a dollar per month come back on your electric bill by using a 5W wired cable instead.
@Kalvinjj
@Kalvinjj 12 днів тому
@@NotCaptainToad Yes, but an USB port likely soldered to the motherboard (it's so on the S10, dunno the S22), that ain't getting any younger. In my case I went wireless slow charge as the lesser of the two evils. I would rather replace a battery sooner than a connector later, since I do intend to keep the phone for many years. Sure USB-C helps, but if there's also another option, may as well.
@joshuauriarte452
@joshuauriarte452 12 днів тому
@unliving_ball_of_gas there's benefits of both wireless charging and 5W. The benefits of wireless is you are allowing less damage to the USBC port. This reduces the risk of needing to replace the port. T
@davidsanders890
@davidsanders890 12 днів тому
I have to say that I always thought that wireless charging was pretty worthless until I damaged my charging port out of warranty. I keep my phone for at least 3 years before upgrading and wireless charging has saved me from an early upgrade. With that being said I would still give it up in a heartbeat for a rear mounted fingerprint scanner.
@Boz1211111
@Boz1211111 10 днів тому
Why is that such a problem, i replaced charging port myself on my phone. Its not diy for anyone but any phone service should be able to do it
@winnieid2727
@winnieid2727 9 днів тому
same here.
@SirKrumpleOWrapper
@SirKrumpleOWrapper 9 днів тому
​@@Boz1211111Yes I know but it's not cheap and for an old phone it probably isn't worth it
@hongkyang7107
@hongkyang7107 8 днів тому
​@@SirKrumpleOWrapperbruh, which service did you tap in? I replace my charging port for 20 dollar or less. At least way better with degraded battery, which I did that too and it is 200+. Aside what is with the notion of old phone repair isn't worth it? 5 years old or less phones is totally serviceable, while new phone cost upto 2k (5k if you count them shinny folded), nvm the environment, save your own wallet.
@soacespacestation8556
@soacespacestation8556 День тому
@@hongkyang7107 USD? Not really.
@thisaintart
@thisaintart 5 днів тому
Side note: Thank you for all your videos, they’ve helped me pay the bills fixing people’s stuff for many many years now ❤
@DavisFangTech
@DavisFangTech 8 днів тому
Wireless charging was amazing to have on my Palm Pre, and I’m glad that it has been widely adopted since. It was a difficult few years when I was forced to switch away from webOS
@nebulous962
@nebulous962 13 днів тому
1:06 try it with budget phones. i have seen like 40-50c on cheaper phones.
@kouhaiii3182
@kouhaiii3182 13 днів тому
of course. and they did say that they were going for a best case scenario, hence the more expensive phone
@MinhThangDam
@MinhThangDam 13 днів тому
Budget phone usually skips multiple PMCs to alternate the amount of power feeding to the battery base on its temp, that's why they tend to get significantly hotter esp at low battery
@supervoveriukas
@supervoveriukas 13 днів тому
I’m using baseus magsafe stand to charge my iPhone. Yes it gets longer to charge but it doesn’t get that hot as charging by wire. In my opinion mag safe magnets are the best way to perfectly align your phone to wireless charger.
@chriswilcox8977
@chriswilcox8977 13 днів тому
Having used a 5w Anker wireless charging pad for many years, it never manages to create enough power to make my iPhone get even barely warm 😂 Wired charging still seems to make the phone get noticeably warm, though I can’t decide if the slower wireless charging is overall better for the battery or not. Based on my son using my old 12 Pro Max which is still on mid 80’s for battery health, I’m inclined to think slow wireless charging is no concern beyond energy waste….possibly balanced by a phone which still has great battery health and life.
@yannick7230
@yannick7230 12 днів тому
I thought this has been common knowledge for years. It's good you're bringing attention to this.
@krawieck
@krawieck 8 днів тому
i wish u have tested xiaomi smart tracking charging pad which automatically aligns the coil with the device. i wonder if it increases the efficiency to the level of Qi2
@cuttingcoffee
@cuttingcoffee 10 днів тому
thanks for this video. I was looking for wireless one but after this I'll stick to wired ones.
@MODEST500
@MODEST500 13 днів тому
wanted to know how it works and found a video explanation of just that an hour later. eggcellent
@ashrude1071
@ashrude1071 11 днів тому
I almost always use wired, however it is useful to have a MagSafe cable around for when water gets in the charging port
@purpinkn
@purpinkn 13 днів тому
1:19 the cable is right there! you just added an extra step!
@mch1288
@mch1288 12 днів тому
It's all about heat management. I've switched back to a low-wattage charger for overnight use and I'm utilizing the 80% charge option, since I can essentially charge my phone throughout the day at work. Occasionally, I switch to auto mode if I'm on a hiking trip or engaged in similar activities. My 14 Pro Max still retains 100% battery health. I'm somehow addicted to hold my batterylife at a constant level. It feels like an achivement :D
@Akuu820
@Akuu820 8 днів тому
I've been waiting for someone to make this video for years!
@-aexc-
@-aexc- 13 днів тому
i only ever use wireless charging overnight with a 5w outlet so im sure it charges very slow and doesnt let it get that hot
@bondv7
@bondv7 8 днів тому
I am confused about the temperature part. My phone's battery (according to Antutu benchmark) is almost always above 30°C even in normal everyday use (somewhere between 30 and 36). Does that mean my battery is constantly degrading? Or is Antutu not displaying accurate temp values?
@humanlike6658
@humanlike6658 13 днів тому
They called it wireless but i can still see the wires
@anianii
@anianii 13 днів тому
With that argument, WiFi isn't wireless either because there is an Ethernet cable going to the Access Point
@inconsistencyon
@inconsistencyon 13 днів тому
except that with wifi, you could go anywhere in your house...?
@anianii
@anianii 13 днів тому
@@inconsistencyon Sure, but the further you go, the more energy is wasted. You can also go sort of far with QI charging, it's just not enough energy to charge a phone anymore. WiFi needs a lot less energy to arrive than QI
@ikjadoon
@ikjadoon 13 днів тому
@@anianii Wi-Fi is _practically_ wireless, though, as you can move 10+ meters and still get a reliable connection. "Wireless" charging is pure marketing; it should've been marketed as "tap charging" or "near field charging", e.g., you have a few millimeters before the connection is dead. See NFC / tap to pay /etc.
@anianii
@anianii 13 днів тому
@@ikjadoon The connection is not "dead" after a few millimeters. It just turns itself off because it gets too inefficient to make sense. Which, by the way, is also what cell towers do. Your phone might actually be able to connect to a cell tower, but if its configuration says not to connect if the signal strength is lower than some value, your phone would show no signal instead. With QI, that threshold is simply much lower due to the high efficiency being necessary for charging to happen at a reasonable rate. If you're 500 meters away from a cell tower, you won't get the best connection either, but in that context it's good enough to work. But I have to agree that calling it wireless is mostly marketing. Inductive charging would be more clear.
@itskdog
@itskdog 9 годин тому
Interesting follow-up question from me - does the impact from this negate the benefits of the longer charge times? Especially with rapid chsrgin tech on most devices now that puts more pressure on the battery, the slower chsrgine speed is a positive in that front. I tend to use my wireless charger (a stand, not a pad, for more consistent results) when charging overnight or if I'm not leaving the house soon and the battery is low, and that plus the adaptive charging that holds the battery at 80% until my alarm is due to go off, all work to help extend the battery life, no?
@sandeep_raman
@sandeep_raman 10 годин тому
Thanks for sharing this info.
@uweschmidt8772
@uweschmidt8772 12 днів тому
With the iPhone SE 2020 came wireless charging to me. Unfortunately it doesn't support MagSafe and I bought some third-party stuff. I realized, that the battery lost capacity quicker than usual on former models and I suspected there was something wrong with wireless charging. Most articles on the net told, that wireless charging is as good as cable and there is no significant difference to battery life. Despite that I switched back to wired charging on my new iPhone SE 2022 and experienced better capacity.
@TheSpotify95
@TheSpotify95 13 днів тому
This proves a point about wireless charging. I don't use wireless charging on my phones as cable charging is more efficient. I once had a wireless charger (sold it on though) which accepted 5V 2A but only outputted 1A to the phone, what a large inefficiency that is!
@kingmatqc
@kingmatqc 13 днів тому
I use slow wireless charging, i disabled fast wireless charging in settings of my S24 Ultra, Phone never get's hot, is that more safe for the batttery ? The only time it gets hot is IN the car using Wireless Android Auto + Wireless Charging... i don't love that so when it needs charging in the car i use a cable.
@madrigale6396
@madrigale6396 13 днів тому
My thoughts exactly
@KofieBluejay
@KofieBluejay 12 днів тому
Thank you iFixit! Just a small geeky fix: it’s degree Celsius, not centigrade. This is not the same scale and I think you are using Celsius thermometers.
@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360
@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360 11 днів тому
It looks like "centigrade" is just outdated name for "Celsius".
@KofieBluejay
@KofieBluejay 11 днів тому
@@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360 We could think so but this is not the same scale. It’s close, but not the same.
@feynstein1004
@feynstein1004 10 днів тому
@@KofieBluejay I've never heard that before. How exactly are they different?
@bradhaines3142
@bradhaines3142 10 днів тому
@@KofieBluejay there are only 3 measures of temperature, farenheit, celsius, and kelvin. anything else is a word for one of those
@KofieBluejay
@KofieBluejay 10 днів тому
@@feynstein1004 They are different by around 0.025 degrees at 100 centigrade. In celsius, that would be 99,985 celsius (rounded). Sure it's very much minimal, but it is, by definition, not the same scale and the ISO norm is the celsius scale, not the centigrade.
@MMuraseofSandvich
@MMuraseofSandvich 13 днів тому
I remember a precursor of the now-ubiquitous Qi charger, the Palm Pre "keystone" (?). My very first foray into modern electronics hacking was modding a Galaxy Nexus to connect the 5 volts from the charging coil removed from a spare Palm Pre back cover to the back of the pogo pins intended for docks. It worked, but boy was that thing toasty, and it probably wasn't good for the battery module to be squished a little bit more with a coil right next to it. Thankfully it never blew up like the old Galaxy Note did. Every time I've tried a "new innovation" for wireless charging, it always heated up the phone and its battery. It was especially bad when you tried using a wireless pad in a car during navigation, most of the time it would stop charging because of overheating, especially with newer Android releases that monitor temperature. So I stick to BigClive's recommendation: USB, 5 volts, low current. Use PD only if you have to get your phone charged NOW. Oh, and NEVER wireless charge overnight. You'd think a trickle charge overnight would be OK, but not when the battery is heated up.
@eugeneputin1858
@eugeneputin1858 12 днів тому
I've exclusively been using magsafe since inception. One mounted permanently in my office and one mounted in the car. Both have cheap copper ssd heatsinks adhered to the back to reduce throttling of any kind(probably not even necessary tbh). It quiet is the perfect charging solution. Haven't used a wire in almost two years.
@jonathanalex6003
@jonathanalex6003 6 днів тому
If I charge mi phone with less wireless power during night (7.5watts for example) and also a smart plug for an automatic power off the entire charger. Am I damaging the battery ?
@delwoodbarker
@delwoodbarker 13 днів тому
Is the battery heating more or are the coils heating the battery?
@EJP286CRSKW
@EJP286CRSKW 13 днів тому
1:56 Correction please. The efficiency problem is not in generating the electrical field. The underlying principle here is the transformer, and transformers can be extremely efficient. The problem is the poor magnetic coupling between the primary winding in the charger and the secondary winding in the phone. This could be _improved_ by ensuring correct mechanical alignment, and _not_ as per the Tesla solution of more coils. You could even let the magnetism do the alignment for you. Still won't be as good as a wire though.
@adineamtz
@adineamtz 12 днів тому
I use MagSafe chargers with integrated cooling fans to keep the temperature down. Works like a charm
@hopoff9968
@hopoff9968 8 днів тому
The best use of wireless charging I've seen is desk charging. Linus did a video on it a few years ago where he hid wireless charging pads under his desk to essentially use the ENTIRE desk as a giant charging pad.
@ericlotze7724
@ericlotze7724 13 днів тому
Granted it would probably kill the specs and be bad for advertising, but if they did a slower charge would the wireless charging heating issue be less? Either way I’m usually hooked up with a cord when not out and about lol.
@MinhThangDam
@MinhThangDam 13 днів тому
No, contact with the pad is far more important than the charging speed. A bad contact wireless charging phone at 5W will be more inefficient wtih a good contact wireless charging phone at 10W
@MyReviews_karkan
@MyReviews_karkan 9 днів тому
That's reassuring. I've tried wireless charging once and my phone was uncomfortably hot, and I stopped permanently after that. Only wired for me now.
@boomer150
@boomer150 13 днів тому
Interesting, for me the magsafe serves as phone holders for the locations my phone lives depending on my location. Car, chair and bed. Each has a magnetic phone holder. Each are capable of wireless charging but are simply unplugged. The only one that is live is the primary one next to my chair. I got one of those multi units that charges my Apple Watch, Airpods Pro and phone. Also serves as my phone holder. However I don't like having my phone connected to power while full. I charge only when it gets to 50%, bring it to full then wait till it hits 50% again. Every two days give or take. I use this same model for my watch and headphones as well. Right or wrong, I believe keeping a unit plugged in all the time while the battery is full is bad for the device.
@PS1212
@PS1212 12 днів тому
Prevents loss of cables from damage, screw the energy losses.
@renofumi28
@renofumi28 11 днів тому
1:19 That's why the recommended power for wireless charging is at 5 watt, leave them charging wirelessly during your bed time.
@FakeMichau
@FakeMichau 11 годин тому
Charging overnight is bad in itself
@renofumi28
@renofumi28 10 годин тому
@@FakeMichau not in modern phones except you're still in that one with micro usb or very thick chin and forehead
@SignalStealer
@SignalStealer 13 днів тому
Finally someone speaks about this, thank you! I am not using wireless charging exactly for these reasons for a few years already. When I tried it, I did not find it any more convenient than plugging the phone in.
@theagentsmith
@theagentsmith 13 днів тому
Yeah it shouldn't be your primary charging method, however keep in mind it allows you to keep using the phone when its wired port is worn out. Additionally in some parks and in restaurants there are some wireless chargers which are super convenient.
@KMon1111IND
@KMon1111IND 13 днів тому
My country is currently facing heat wave with temps around 42° C, with 25W wired charger of my Samsung phone the temperature goes up to 41° C, so I don't know how much the temps will go with wireless charger.
@NathanTheZealot
@NathanTheZealot 13 днів тому
Something that should be mentioned in defense of wireless charging is that wireless charging prevents wear and tear on the charging port; which (unfortunately) for many phone models is not as easily replaced as the battery, if it's even replaceable at all. I've had to replace several otherwise working phones in my life due to the charging port being worn out to the point it would not consistently charge.
@woodalexander
@woodalexander 10 днів тому
Exactly. This is why I use a slow wireless charger, limit my battery charge to 85% with the Samsung setting, and use a Wi-Fi Android Auto dongle. I've reduced by total plug/unplug cycles by around 95%.
@obayrafi2632
@obayrafi2632 9 днів тому
wireless charging is like freezing some water , then bringing that forzen ice above your head , heat it using a lighter , and then drinking the melted waterdrops. i honestly never understood the point behind wireless chargers.
@status101-danielho6
@status101-danielho6 9 днів тому
I’m confident that wirelessly charging costs less in the long run than constantly replacing charge cables yearly (and in our household, it was twice yearly). Also, I use a standard 12W charger rather than any fast charger unless I’m traveling, so I’m curious if overheating would be an issue.
@bryandonnelly1986
@bryandonnelly1986 9 днів тому
So MagSafe on iPhone is the best wireless charger?
@simpson6700
@simpson6700 12 днів тому
i wonder how these magnetic USB C adapters fit into all of this. are they less efficient than a regular cable? if so, by how much? it's a metal to metal contact, so i would assume it's not that bad.
@romancernjak
@romancernjak 9 днів тому
what about the 50w wireless charging on the OnePlus 12?
@qquze233
@qquze233 13 днів тому
the way he pronounces the "t" consonant is so satisfying and clean
@ChadH2023
@ChadH2023 5 днів тому
I keep a wireless charger in case my port gets wet or damaged. I slow charge overnight with USBC and Samsung basic battery protection. I've never had a damaged port, but did get my port wet once on vacation.
@iBangAPES
@iBangAPES 13 днів тому
now that i think about it, I'm still rocking an S9+ and i have a rollingsquare wireless charging kit that comes with a metal ring that "acts" like apple's magesafe. i only stuck it on when i got a "charge" but i doubt i actually got it perfectly aligned since i eye balled it. wish there was a way i could realign it without cracking open my phone
@grahamprescott9426
@grahamprescott9426 7 днів тому
Never noticed any heat in my device whilst wireless charging. More so when wired I would say?
@davejoseph5615
@davejoseph5615 12 днів тому
One of the main attractions of wireless is avoiding the connector damage that always seemed to eventually occur. I don't understand why the battery gets hotter with wireless? Also in an array of coils such as the Tesla platform -- why doesn't it detect and use only the one coil that is best aligned?
@ArinSB0078
@ArinSB0078 13 днів тому
once Xiaomi posted video of wireless charging which charges phones in all room what are your thoughts
@bluegizmo1983
@bluegizmo1983 13 днів тому
I've owned an S23 Ultra since launch and I've charged it every single night with a wireless charger, yet I've had basically zero battery degradation or capacity loss in 14 months now. This is because Samsung has excellent battery care options like limiting battery charging to 80% and enabling slow wireless charging to slowly charge throughout the night and not heat up the battery, I've made full use of those two options since day one.
@radikk7874
@radikk7874 13 днів тому
I use a wireless charging stand for iPhone and apple watch. They are always on it. I never have to bother about checking battery and charging before going out. When I take my phone, it’s always full. The same goes for the watch. I will change my phone faster than the battery dying.
@thefilmdirector1
@thefilmdirector1 День тому
same, and mines vertical, and my phone never gets hot or even warm when on it. Been using it for well over a year and no battery degradation issues, though to be fair i barely use my phone so it just sits there on the pad 24/7 in "idle" mode (charger light turns red showing its fully charged but keeps it trickle topped up while the phone sleeps)
@Jallerblue
@Jallerblue 12 днів тому
I think this is an example where the inefficiencies and battery degradation are absolutely worth it. Especially if you use Magsafe or Qi2 chargers, and actively cooled ones when possible. The convenience of Magsafe/Qi2 especially is incredible for phone mounts on desks and in cars to keep you topped up throughout the day and keep your phone easily accessible. Also, every phone I've ever used has had charging issues eventually before wireless charging (even my first USB-C phone). With my last phone, I used wireless charging almost exclusively and saved my USB-C port from the same fate. Videos like this are great to inform consumers about these trade-offs and what to look for to avoid the worst cases, but I definitely think this video is a bit overly critical of the technology.
@AshrakAhmed
@AshrakAhmed 13 днів тому
Yes! the convenience of not dealing with wires is worth the environment and extra electric bill!
@zhongguotech
@zhongguotech 6 днів тому
Much appreciate the video.
@Nopraz42
@Nopraz42 9 днів тому
What about dash charge and other "fast charge" technologies? Do they reduce the battery life of our phones?
@peytonb16
@peytonb16 13 днів тому
Would a MagSafe compatible phone case decrease the efficiency due to distance or does the case act as a bridge between coils?
@buffuniballer
@buffuniballer 11 днів тому
The case improves alignment, improving efficiency. It will not be as efficient as a wired connection. Magsafe and Qi2 is about as good as it gets for wireless charging.
@Kalvinjj
@Kalvinjj 12 днів тому
I went for wireless charging as a matter of choosing the lesser evil while getting the added convenience as a bonus. It's far easier to replace a battery on my phone, than the USB connector, so I would rather wear that down than having to do some crazy desoldering, hoping the pads won't rip, and resolder in a connector I'm not sure I'll even be able to find. A very slow charge at night mitigates a bit the heat problem at least. All would be solved with simple metal contact charging docks just like any wireless landline phone or Japanese mobile phones had years ago.
@AltimaNEO
@AltimaNEO 13 днів тому
I have my fan always turned on in my bedroom, with my phone in front of it. Does that help at all with heat dissipation? I like wireless charging only for the convenience of being able to set my phone down at night without having to fuss with the cable in the dark.
@Qbert2030
@Qbert2030 10 днів тому
Not much if at all, it's like trying to cool a cpu with a fan without the heat sink
@50ccAdventure
@50ccAdventure 13 днів тому
Can you do a video on the ability to keep battery % at 80 max?
@evanseguin5391
@evanseguin5391 13 днів тому
I like my Pixel Stand 2nd gen because it has a fan, keeping my Pixel 6 cool but it requires a 30W wall wart to charge at 21W so it loses a bit of power there.
@mattbosley3531
@mattbosley3531 9 днів тому
I just like wireless charging because it's easy. I just set my phone down on the pad and it recharges. And I have CPU-Z on my phone to check the health and temperature of the battery. It doesn't get above 26 or 27 C.
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