I HATE being lied to… but I love the ROG Ally
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Asus was a bit misleading with their marketing during the preview cycle, but we've now had time to properly test the ROG Ally Z1 Extreme and it's still a very impressive handheld. We were already excited, but when they FINALLY confirmed the final price we almost couldn't believe it. Time to sell your Steam Deck? Maybe...
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
2:00 15W Performance
2:55 25W Performance
3:55 Battery
4:30 Display
7:30 Cooling
8:25 Noise
9:25 Software
11:58 Ally Advantages
13:20 Physical Aspects
14:50 Conclusion
17:43 Outro
@LinusTechTips 11 місяців тому
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@GameTimeWhy 11 місяців тому
You should talk about repairability in another video.
@Sakthivel2542 11 місяців тому
Great Video
@cake8480 11 місяців тому
linus short
@catlee8064 11 місяців тому
Does the CPU explode on this aswell ?
@DaveVoyles 11 місяців тому
ROG Ally pre-order link does not work
@themoderndilettante8621 11 місяців тому
Whoever came up with the idea to have the pulsing white circle appear on your graphs so people can more quickly and easily reference the metrics you are referring to deserves a raise. It made viewing your graphs and data pages SO MUCH BETTER!
@Foxy_AR 11 місяців тому
Exactly, I always struggle to find the right stat
@GFBunnyHopER 11 місяців тому
They should change color to something more contrasty like red, in few cases white color dot was hard to see or find
@SeeOlEe 11 місяців тому
Yeah I was just about to comment the same 👏🏻
@trafon31 11 місяців тому
OK editor in disguise we get it you did a good job
@IncorrectYouTubeUser 11 місяців тому
i see you - smart.. i think they deserve a raise too!
@castillorj08 11 місяців тому
A Steam Deck feature offer overlooked is its console-like sleep function. As a parent with small children, being able to put my game down at a moment’s notice is a must.
@iionas 11 місяців тому
I agree with you here man, same position and I use this feature absolutely non stop. Two kids and gaming on the go
@gregor2436 11 місяців тому
The Rog ally don't have such a function? Omg, that's one of the most important functions. Not only for kids.
@edwardecl 11 місяців тому
A limitation of Windows I suspect. Maybe Microsoft will add the feature, but I doubt it.
@ebouwman034 11 місяців тому
Not just for kids… any on the go gaming. Does the ROG Ally really not have this?
@EmergencyChannel 11 місяців тому
That's a Steam OS feature, which the Ally can use.
@rezwan793 11 місяців тому
The Trackpads on steam deck are a game changer. I didn't realize this until I started using them. They also allows you to type with both thumbs instead of conventional taping the directional pads/thumbstick. They also allows you to use the mouse in desktop mode seamlessly, making it truly portable than to attach to a dock for ease of use. This brings to the point linus mentioned "have to wait for proton to support games", to that I have never faced such issues. Even Diablo 4 is playable on the deck now, using the trackpad if you prefer using a mouse. I would have bought the ROG, but steam deck community and valve support has been super solid and very active. This is also part of the reason i don't buy those Chinese handhelds because they lack the community support, which the ROG seem to lack at this point.
@Imafoolforresponding 11 місяців тому
Its not released yet so it's kinda hard for a device to have a community when the community doesn't own it yet.
@silentmat2029 11 місяців тому
People have been creating programs that support controller input on PC for many years now. It’s not like there is no workaround to it, but I will admit that having community layouts is amazing. For starters, DS4 is an amazing program for games that don’t have built in controller support.
@reklom2334 11 місяців тому
not just the physical but the level of customizable/programmable control layouts for all the buttons, sticks, triggers, and pads makes a world of difference. esp in the realm of pc gaming
@chdreturns 11 місяців тому
A mouse attached to a handheld pc is miles better than a trackpad which have ALWAYS sucked on EVERY device a trackpad has been on. Valve's idea to add a trackpad was completely braindead. Its time for trackpads to go the way of the dinosaur
@chdreturns 11 місяців тому
Aya seems to actually have community support... OneX and GPD tho... Worse than Dell
@ahmedelsayed3133 11 місяців тому
You overlooked a lot of important points: 1- The sleep mode that Valve offers. 2- The Gyroscope. 3- Some games are optimized specifically from the developers of these games to run better on the Steam Deck. 4- The automatic controller layouts for the Steam Deck. 5- The big community behind Steam Deck that offers software optimizations for it. 6- Driver and software optimizations made from Valve developers to overcome some games' issues that are not fixed on Windows. 7- Asus bad reputation when it comes to faulty hardware products and customer support. 8- You can buy Steam Deck for $400 and buy SD card, and it is much cheaper than ROG Ally.
@DenLoken 11 місяців тому
You forgot they also don’t ship the deck to every country. So these things don’t matter
@ahmedelsayed3133 11 місяців тому
@@DenLoken You are right.
@henriquecardoso7786 11 місяців тому
@@DenLoken Neither ROG Ally. I'm on a country that you can't buy both for official ways.
@DenLoken 11 місяців тому
@@henriquecardoso7786 damn sorry to hear that. Where you from?
@IntergalacticVoid 10 місяців тому
I don't think specifically optimized games really bring competition against Ally which has better performance anyways.
@VSaturn-X 11 місяців тому
The biggest advantage the ROG Ally has over the Steam Deck for me is that the Ally will be available in my country unlike the Deck.
@SumTheCat 11 місяців тому
you can get it imported
@udittlamba 11 місяців тому
@@SumTheCat for a lot of people, that is either too expensive or just not possible.
@kinpact6100 11 місяців тому
@@SumTheCat Yeah import tax to australia basically doubles the cost for example
@SumTheCat 11 місяців тому
@@udittlamba well you can do sus stuff
@SumTheCat 11 місяців тому
@@kinpact6100 sus stuff exists
@IOUaUsername 11 місяців тому
Every time they talk about these things I start wanting one, but then I remember that whenever go anywhere but home, I'm busy doing things that aren't gaming.
@ookicookiex 11 місяців тому
I usually find myself wanting to play something while riding a taxi or waiting for a meeting or something. As I don't rll like mobile games in general - SteamDeck is a very good choice for me
@zatramantra8105 11 місяців тому
@@ookicookiex Until somebody breaks the windows and steals it
@ookicookiex 11 місяців тому
@@zatramantra8105 Do you know that somebody can break a window in your house and steal your PC too? Robbery is a strange fear to have in excuse of not buying something cool And usually to extra-protect my deck I just have it in my backpack, so it's not a big problem
@Shadowninja1200 11 місяців тому
@@zatramantra8105 I think I would have bigger problems if some idiot was brave enough to breaks a window of a taxi I’m riding in. The deck or whatever would be the least of my worry. Also weird to use a rare event as a justification for not buying a gaming device. I have used my switch out in public without any worry because i actually know most people aren’t a threat if I don’t bother them and I pay attention to my surroundings. TLDR: go touch grass weirdo.
@damcopter 11 місяців тому
When I am stuck at my mother in law's house, I can garantee you that a handled PC could save my life 😂
@xadek821 11 місяців тому
Glad to see competition in the PC handheld scene. Can't wait to see what Valve is cooking for Steam Deck 2.
@shogakusha 11 місяців тому
My thought exactly. Plus, the Steam Deck was what convinced me to finally dump Windows all together on my gaming PC. I really have no desire to go back. No, I don't care about the occasional AAA "masterpiece" I miss out on as a result, either. I'm not against the idea of running an updated Steam OS on a portable device from a competitor with better hardware, though, so long as it has a trackpad.
@onlysublime 11 місяців тому
@@shogakusha a gaming PC without windows... hahahahaha. that's a good one. a linux lurker...
@shogakusha 11 місяців тому
@onlysublime Bless your heart. Thinking is hard! Don't you worry about it. If you're really curious, you can ask whoever turns the computer on for you.
@Reploidx9 11 місяців тому
@@onlysublime You must be new to gaming. Linux gamings been about for years. Yeah it used to be really shaky, but it's a lot more stable these days and it's just gonna get better. All while Windows becomes a bloated piece of shit OS (more than it already is)
@onlysublime 11 місяців тому
@@Reploidx9 and yet the Linux lurker has the need to keep going to windows threads to plead for people to switch
@brostugen 11 місяців тому
you know, for a person that used to bus tables just to be able to afford a Gameboy Advance back then, I am genuinely awestruck at how much advance these handhelds are, I was already very impressed with the PSP back then, now to witness this it's mindblowing😮, I don't even mind the nitty gritty ASUS Ally vs Valve Steam Deck, they are both out of this world😅
@tryintomine4363 3 місяці тому
You are telling the truth!
@notacloutchaser7407 2 місяці тому
These content creators have to split hairs and stir up drama. Im from the nes / og gameboy era and i feel lucky just to be alive right now to witness this revolution in tech.
@ryansmith2772 2 місяці тому
Kids will never know the pain of having the little bendy light plugged into the cord transfer power port on the side of the game boy color just so they can play Pokémon under the sheets late at night because you had no other time to play as a kid growing up in the 90s.
@AlexDeivid Місяць тому
When I played Witcher 3 on Switch, already was impressed, remembering when I was playing Zelda LA on my old GB classic in 1994, but now playing games like Witcher 3 and Horizon Zero Dawn on ROG Ally with all settings maxed, it’s like a dream for someone who was born in the 80s.
@ryansmith2772 Місяць тому
@@AlexDeivid same, Witcher on switch caused me to buy it for ps5 to take it to a bigger screen and look better. Timeless game. PSP game costs were higher then I expected in hs and cash was hard to come by back then. I worked at a K-mart where I put the PSP on layaway. Times have changed man
@wizpig64 11 місяців тому
No regrets with my steam deck but i'm glad there's competition pushing things along.
@emiliolaurenti5199 11 місяців тому
Exactly. The size and everything is kinda what I wanted plus love Linux. Will recommend ally and steam deck to those that can’t afford a gaming pc tho
@lelandbatey 11 місяців тому
It's only half-hearted competition. The $400 SD is unbeatable value and still not remotely touched by this handheld.
@aboveaveragebayleaf9216 11 місяців тому
I'm curious when valve will make an updated model with a newer apu.
@Conviction454 11 місяців тому
I think that's the biggest advantage out of anything else mentioned between choosing the steam deck or the ally. This just gives valve and other franchises something to strive towards and improve upon.
@aftdawn 11 місяців тому
@@lelandbatey especially if you get a 1 or 2 TB SSD for it, king of gaming right there
@pitdoctor 11 місяців тому
Based on how ASUS has been acting recently I would be terrified to buy one of these. If you do buy one, you better hope it doesn't break, cause their shady asses are going to be a huge pain to work with.
@mining_steve 11 місяців тому
Came from Gamers Nexus absolutely agree
@nfleitd 11 місяців тому
amazing timing for this video lmao
@Rafdao 11 місяців тому
@@mining_steve Was thinking on preordering but after the recent Asus acting I think I'll wait, I dont think this is going to be out of stock.
@thelith 11 місяців тому
Yeah better avoid asus, most of their stuff is overpriced anyways and if they don't even honor warranty what's the point. This is also a good way to filter reviewers, any1 still promoting asus after this, better unsubscribe from their channel because they definitly don't care about customers either.
@flamingscar5263 11 місяців тому
@Rafacka it probably will be considering only us tech savvy actually know how awful ASUS is, the general public doesn't even know what an x3d CPU is let alone that ASUS motherboards cooked them
@BoJangles42 9 місяців тому
I’m rooting for this and every other handheld to be successful, as competition is great for us consumers, but I’m good with the Steam Deck for now
@lifelesme 11 місяців тому
I know they don't often bring up 3rd party stuff when it comes to hardware (unless its the only way to get stuuff working) but i think it deserves a mention that steam deck can install plugins to get aaround some issuues, such as the "searching protonDB to see if your game is compatible" a plugin fixes that by adding the ratiing for the game selected game menu. Also you can improve performance on the steamdeck with tweaks from "CryoUtiliities". Although I know this wiill get lost in the void of comments I think its worth mentioning anyway.
@youtubeviewer4489 11 місяців тому
I love the fact that these handheld devices are becoming a thing. Very convenient form factor.
@jacobmorel775 11 місяців тому
Yes as someone who grew up using the game boy, DS, psp and ps vita it’s awesome to see handhelds finally make a comeback
@sosukelele 11 місяців тому
@@jacobmorel775 amd apu's look to have a bright future in laptops (due to power/performance efficiency) and are assumed to be amd's solution to low end gpu's (in a few generations). With prospects like that we're bound to see more powerful and efficient handhelds in the coming years.
@classydays43 11 місяців тому
I wonder if it'll carry over to mobile games. Mobile games have a janky track record and the popularity of these might inspire developers to develop better titles for that.
@egg-roll8968 11 місяців тому
@@jacobmorel775 Now if only they would bring back user swappable batteries... So much easier to grab said battery than finding an outlet on the go, plus you're geo locked to juice up once you do.
@skyrim2972 11 місяців тому
Right! I'm just speaking about this I'm happy to see Ally challenging steam deck That push companies to do greater things in their devices
@TheNiteNinja19 11 місяців тому
I'm torn because I like this device, but ever since Asus is being scumbags about their AM5 boards, I don't know if I can back them.
@zapfhahn6130 11 місяців тому
This is the way.
@zxcaaq 11 місяців тому
I feel the same way. Won't support Asus anymore.
@nickochioneantony9288 11 місяців тому
don't feel bad though, ASUS will always be ASUS, and your ROG Ally RMA will have a very complicated and time consuming procedure.
@deuteronomy2749 11 місяців тому
Big supporter of ASUS here but out of the loop, what happened with the boards?
@Clowninghowler 11 місяців тому
@@deuteronomy2749 Gamers Nexus has 3 videos regarding this. The last one focuses on Asus' "handling" of the issue.
@composeroflight7754 10 місяців тому
I love how you just tell it how it is even when sponsored
@byjacobc1880 6 місяців тому
I have had no problems whit rog ally. Its been a blessing and it plays everything i put at it smoothly i love it havent used main pc for a while. Recommend it 10/10 im using z1 extreme
@twiggsherman3641 11 місяців тому
Just remember not to enable Expo or the warranty is void. GG ASUS.
@jayhovah5621 11 місяців тому
Good luck to asus for denying those warranties. They advertise the speeds on the box.
@uncraftbar 11 місяців тому
Expo? like high performance mode or what?
@azraeihalim 11 місяців тому
Asus with CS are bad for years now. Nothing has change
@MrGoatsy 11 місяців тому
If you live in the EU then a company can't void your warranty for this.
@leonro 11 місяців тому
@@MrGoatsy I don't think it's allowed in the USA either, but Asus still tries to BS their way into not honouring warranties for their screw ups.
@ChrisSonPEI 11 місяців тому
Not enough for me to ditch my deck, but enough for me to know that the next gen of handhelds will be a must have for me. Time to start saving.
@glebkorniyenko1084 11 місяців тому
Yep, same here, it's nice to know if I need a handheld upgrade for performance I already have some options
@AdioAurel 11 місяців тому
Waiting for the V2 or V3. Those will be amazing, especially with Windows, it's a bit too early for gaming handhelds. And I hope they increase the stock storage space.
@doovplayz 11 місяців тому
Yes, just got my steam deck this Friday and I’m saving for the next one a few years from now
@informitas0117 11 місяців тому
Why on earth would you even consider switching if you already have a device for that category? They are the same generation.
@NL0Gwenster 11 місяців тому
I`m not switching from my Deck either. I'm hearing way more downsides to owning an Rog Ally than upsides over my SD. For now anything i play on the SD runs just great at 60 fps so i don't need extra performance. The software is so mature on the Deck and even the hardware is better if Linus is constantly running against sticky buttons, that you can't user replace with official third party options (at least for now) -- just hearing Linus talk about his experience with Windows & the armory crate made me cringe. It is good to know however that PC handhelds are now "a thing" and more competition is coming'which is is only better.
@sebastianusprime 10 місяців тому
Its really confusing for me. I live in Australia so the steam deck is much more expensive while the Ally is available. As much as I love the steam deck and its track pads and buttons, the fact the Ally runs on Windows is probably going to buy me over as I'd often have it plugged into a monitor and use it as my desktop.
@mcslothalot 9 місяців тому
The Steam Deck currently costs "only" ~370€ (cheapest option during summer sale)) and the ROG Ally costs 800€ That is a huge price difference especially since you dont need the most expensive Steam Deck version. In addition, the Steam Deck comes with a case which is a nice bonus. But the most important feature that is missing for the ROG Ally is the quick resume.
@umad212 6 місяців тому
@@SimonWoodburyForgetthey have 2 back button i think
@cyrax3840 2 місяці тому
But the deck lacks the performance and is limited to certain games
@smashishere 11 місяців тому
Valve already innovates a lot even when they have zero competition, I'm excited to see how this will push them.
@SolidSt8Dj 11 місяців тому
Honestly, the most likely thing is to get it in more retails stores. SteamOS 3.5 is already bringing massive performance increases, and with minor tweaks such as CryoUtilities or major ones such as undervolting/overclocking, the steam deck handedly beats the Ally in performance for less or the same power draw, even at over 30W (Yes, the steam deck can run at greater than 15W).
@starpencil 11 місяців тому
The sad thing is it won't. Value tends to release a product then never release an updated version. The index is a prime example.
@nigstar1239 11 місяців тому
@@starpencil they have developed a new patent Already
@sonichedgehog36 11 місяців тому
@@SolidSt8Dj "the steam deck handedly beats the Ally in performance for less or the same power draw, even at over 30W (Yes, the steam deck can run at greater than 15W)." Fake news.
@kyellebantog7720 11 місяців тому
@@starpencil still hoping for their vr headset deckard to come soon 😅
@riveraluciano 11 місяців тому
The Ally LOOKS promising, but with their current track record (see Asus' last debacle with AMD CPUs), the lack of support for repairability, Armoury Crate and overall software (and what that entails), I am not so sure I want to give this one a go. It sure is tempting to go for this instead of a Steam Deck, but given it's an ASUS product, I'm holding my breath to be honest, even if it means having less performance, "worse" audio and a worse screen. At the most, I'll take another look at this one in about 4 months, to see if there have been any actual positive changes.
@dinozorman 11 місяців тому
haha right, i always try to wait for the second revision of tech. instead of being a product tester.
@Ebalosus 11 місяців тому
That, and Linus is missing an aspect that the Deck has that the Ally doesn’t: good usability for its OEM operating system. The Deck amongst Linux devices is both really good for both Linux people and for just gamers, while the Ally is good for gamers but not general users; and I strongly feel that’s what’s going to hurt it in sales. Linus and the likes are like _"oh you can use it for all the usual Windowsy stuff as well as gaming, unlike the deck!"_ yet as the likes of the GPD One and Ayaneo show, the only people really purchasing them are either supporters of the respective projects or people whose specialised use-cases the devices serve. The same will apply to the Ally, because for as good as it is at gaming, it comes across as a pretty mediocre Windows portable.
@mikhailkiselev9869 11 місяців тому
Armoury Crate is just horrendous, sudden gpu spikes killing my fps in games, even severely overspecced ones (e.g. warframe that had ~300 fps when uncapped dropping to 20 from time to time) Uninstalling all of asus stuff helped a lot. Thank God their 200 dollar mouse has internal memory (but even that refused to work on first try)
@dinozorman 11 місяців тому
@@mikhailkiselev9869 ASUS is terrible with software. firefox with 15 tabs is competing with their RGB motherboard software on CPU usage. both about 4%. and its literally only running the mb RGB and 2 sticks of ram, the fans are on a separate controller.
@TheHammerGuy94 11 місяців тому
when I opened my phone today Jayz' video was right next to this one. OOF
@ionipopo8362 11 місяців тому
Thank you for this complete review! ❤
@alcharlescap 5 місяців тому
Linus keep the faith! Love ya! I saw your video here and really enjoy my new Rog Ally Extreme. This is a gamer that owned a Timex St Clair way way back.....
@Ivwin 11 місяців тому
The button sticking issue is an actual gamebreaker for me. The fact that they knew about the issue and didnt fix it makes me feel like they wont support this very well... Stuff like that is a huge red flag for me...
@dashcharger24 11 місяців тому
Yeah, I don't understand why Linus didn't tell more about this. This is awful, more because you cannot replace them, as seen on the Steam Deck.
@benl8962 11 місяців тому
Probably because they were already in production
@vegeta6555 11 місяців тому
Not a excuse. It shouldn't of been caught and fixed before production was started.
@damyr55 11 місяців тому
@@benl8962 That's literally the problem. It's not an obscure issue, that Linus accidentally discovered. It's one of the main buttons getting stuck, during normal use. There's no way it was news to them, when Linus told them
@AlphaShadowSphere 11 місяців тому
Your controls matter a lot. Steam partnering with i-fixit was a big selling point that you could replace inputs as they were out.
@bdbooher 11 місяців тому
Hopefully there is never a problem with the Ally, otherwise Asus will push a new update that voids your warranty.
@Ja3300n 11 місяців тому
I just love the timing on the ASUS Video from Gamers Nexus. Every second commend is about their shitty behaviour.
@sebastiank686 11 місяців тому
What?
@oliveprocessor3068 11 місяців тому
Yeah, Valve has been good about their customer support for issues with the steamdeck. I don't think there is enough value here to risk potential problems with Asus right now! I don't want to be out 700+ dollars because they don't think it's important to support their products.
@Snoop_Dugg 11 місяців тому
@@oliveprocessor3068 valve isn’t amazing either, they refuse to launch in Australia and New Zealand to avoid the customer protections here.
@stitchfinger7678 11 місяців тому
@@Snoop_Dugg Could maybe be because those are obnoxiously expensive markets to sell literally anything in if you don't live there, and they didn't wanna gamble with this entire new device Unless there's an actual statement that seems like a pretty cynical take
@FoxLunar 11 місяців тому
Excellent review, definitely appreciate the attention to detail as always!
@DanVille1000 10 місяців тому
Literally went to Best Buy and just bought one a couple hours ago. Just got home to charge it. I am extremely excited.
@donniedarko4497 10 місяців тому
Yeah, definitely didn't sell out immediately
@DanVille1000 10 місяців тому
@@donniedarko4497 no lie
@EmergencyChannel 11 місяців тому
Valve's dedication to right to repair, constant software improvements plus touchpads making more games playable like RTS and colony sims still makes me prefer the Steam Deck.
@Juice8767 11 місяців тому
Yeah I'm super torn, I love the raw specs of the Ally and they've got the gear junkie in my drooling but everything outside of that including linux is a win for me on Valve's side.
@BigBoss7777777 11 місяців тому
So much cope in the comments. If you’re not into RTS games the ROG Ally is clearly the superior device.
@AstralDragn 11 місяців тому
@@BigBoss7777777 I dunno, I'm pretty iffy on the buttons if they're decidedly not good on the Ally, And while touch pads aren't 'great' I certainly can find more uses for them in all kinds of situations. Touch screen is nice, I don't think the deck has that.
@bobowon5450 11 місяців тому
i've tried to play rts games on the steam deck and the experience is an atrocity against mankind. Touch pads are not a mouse and never will be
@xmlthegreat 11 місяців тому
@@AstralDragn the Steam Deck definitely has a touchscreen. Right?
@EliteEdgeK 11 місяців тому
Imagine a Frameworks handheld where you can upgrade the hardware as time goes on.
@handlemonium 11 місяців тому
Framework 16 first (probably gonna empty my bank account decked-out at $3000) but yeah...........one day! 😁🤞
@dabberdaffy256 11 місяців тому
Won’t happen then what’s the point of making handhelds after one purchase you’d never need the company again
@dabberdaffy256 11 місяців тому
I could see separate company’s making parts like motherboards cases screens and stuff so you could build your own like a desktop
@dabberdaffy256 11 місяців тому
The only components that can be upgraded in a laptop are the RAM, SSD, and battery. Gaming laptops have been around for a long time, but handhelds are far more limited. Until we see laptops with full upgradeability, I don’t think we’ll see it in handhelds.
@andrewk8636 11 місяців тому
That and an external gpu with its own battery would be amazing
@jfetherboy 8 місяців тому
I'm not sure if this feature was implemented yet when this video came out or not, but there are some simple default commands using the buttons on the back of the Ally that make its ease of use a lot better. M1/M2 + D-Pad UP = Pull Up Keyboard M1/M2 + D-Pad Left = Go To Desktop M1/M2 + D-Pad Down = Task Manager And remember, these are default now, so once you set up your Ally and update Armor Crate SE to the latest version, this should work for you. Cheers!
@bepowerification 8 місяців тому
Its a LTT video so you can be sure the research was bad and there are mistakes not fixed...
@jfetherboy 8 місяців тому
To be fair to LTT, the Armory Crate SE software has gotten significantly better over a few updates. I have no doubt in my mind that these features probably weren't available when they made this video. @@bepowerification
@onlysublime 11 місяців тому
just preordered it! so excited!!!
@OccAZNion 11 місяців тому
Just shows you how important software is for the deck punching above its weight. Imagine the Ally’s hardware with Valve’s programming and joysticks/touchpads.
@crackercracker 11 місяців тому
Nintendo is still performing due to their software not hardware.
@Tkaya460 11 місяців тому
Touchpads and Valves controller customization software is what makes the SteamDeck such a big win for me from a PC gaming perspective. Games that were never designed for controller controls are made possible by Valve. Even controller based games I find touchpad mouse/trackball controls better than joystick. Fallout 4 for example.
@imrobbinganyonewhotalkstom4881 11 місяців тому
The watt difference is just Windows vs Linux/Arch. Valve optimizes their hardware directly.
@Steelix371 11 місяців тому
No touchpad that’s so stupid
@mica7191 11 місяців тому
Wishing to meet Linus the Genius in person...
@RichardJobity 11 місяців тому
Asus being less than honest with data with their product seems to be a trend recently. They may say that upclocking their device might void the warranty.
@MrPaxio 11 місяців тому
bruh, overclocking voids any SOC warranty. its not just asus.
@MrFlayFox 11 місяців тому
@@MrPaxiout updating your bios to fix a critical design flaw does void the warranty at Asus
@Anankin12 11 місяців тому
@@MrPaxiogo get Gamers Nexus latest video
@ablet85 11 місяців тому
Playing devils advocate. Using a 3 game sample to debunk “up to” performance claims is pretty useless as well.
@CC39 11 місяців тому
Your comment about XG eGPU is the gold of the whole review! Wish they have that especially supporting 4090 desktop card.
@cherubic2312 11 місяців тому
When i see the Ally it definitely catches my eye when i see the better performance, but the way that valve treats there user/customer base is what will keep me around with the SD its just a better experience..What would be a huge W was if when valve came out with the SD2 is if they allowed people to send in the OG decks as either a trade in or if they allowed people to send in the OG deck and pay a price to upgrade the orginal on to the new specs....That my friends would be a HUGE W
@notacloutchaser7407 2 місяці тому
Isnt going to happen.
@astr0void Місяць тому
Lmao this guy
@PyromancerRift 11 місяців тому
The best 30 minutes of handheld gameplay you've ever had.
@HarryL2020 11 місяців тому
More like an hour
@corronchilejano 11 місяців тому
@@HarryL2020 It's still pretty good. If you're not constantly gaming on max, you can get 2 hours out of it.
@newax_productions2069 11 місяців тому
@@corronchilejano Handhelds are pointless without a much longer battery life, may as well just play a pc at this point. 1-2 hours is practically useless.
@Calebv319 11 місяців тому
@@newax_productions2069 its not practically useless to use on a commute to work. 1-2 hours is perfect for that
@minilogoguy18 11 місяців тому
Sega Game Gear entered the chat.
@hellcoreproductions 11 місяців тому
Does Asus randomly invalidate your Ally warranty for updating it to avoid it exploding?
@pulsebear 11 місяців тому
I hate that we actually have to worry about this on such an expensive brand ASUS. I'm disappointed let's hope EVGA makes amd motherboards now.
@macattack123mattc3 11 місяців тому
@@pulsebear And maybe EVGA can also make HEDT motherboards, like the new Xeon platform... Not that anybody can afford them, but still it would be nice to have...
@Xtasy604 11 місяців тому
Did your motherboard explode? Typed from an ROG AZOTH
@unknown-x-1777 11 місяців тому
LoL I was thinking the same thing. After the corrupt practices it sure is going to be hard to sell a bunch of them. Hopefully nothing catches fire, are you allowed to run XmP or will they void your console 🤔 😂
@NeverlandSystemZor 11 місяців тому
Right?! As much as I like this machine, I just can't even consider supporting ASUS at all right now...
@ChuckS117 11 місяців тому
I'm very excited for the future of handheld gaming. Probably still a long way but I will definitely grab the follow up to the steam deck.
@juliodiaz4891 9 місяців тому
Thanks for your versus post. Your video is wayyy more informative than any other post on the same topic..
@notacloutchaser7407 2 місяці тому
Way more boring and annoying
@DovahDiaz 11 місяців тому
the community around the steamdeck is a huge point for me, decki plugins made it super cool to customize my deck
@azenyr 11 місяців тому
One thing that barely anyone talks about. The ecosystem and the insane community behind the Steam Deck. Being Linux and very open, the target audience has a LOT of developers in it that are very skilled and make stuff specifically for Deck as a hobby. Steam Deck has insane software made by the community and will keep getting more and more stuff. Ally is just a random windows device, just like Aya Neo and stuff. Cool but quickly forgotten. Maybe not, because it's Asus, but still
@dot_rich 11 місяців тому
@@azenyr ive always thought ASUS have made great hardware but crappy software. they have always struggled in that regard. without a community behind them, good hardware isnt enough. i welcome it though
@FunnyBloxYT 11 місяців тому
@@azenyr at the end of the day *personally* I prefer the rog ally. I recently developped a liking for rog products aftwr my revent purchase of the ROG6 phone. I do agree there is some software issues burlt at the end of the day it was easy to fix and I was satisfied with the product itself.
@PhysicsGamer 11 місяців тому
@@dot_rich Yeah, the idea of an ASUS-brand OS is something that really pushes me away from this thing. And who knows if they'll commit to supporting it long-term like Valve has their Steam Deck?
@948320z 11 місяців тому
This is exactly why I waited 1 year before buying (that, and the 1yr anniversary sale was a happy accident lol); to see if an ecosystem would grow to support it, or if it's just another niche toy that would be useless after 2~3 years due to lack of support and parts. Classic IPODs could still be easily repaired/upgraded today thanks to a large community willing to support third party parts manufacturers ever after TWO decades, which is what I hoped the Steam Deck situation would be down the road. ROG might have better specs, but I won't hold my breath for this. I'd be more than glad to be proven wrong tho, competition is (almost) always good.
@bwjclego 11 місяців тому
Man, lack of trackpads really is the biggest dissapointment. I use the trackpads on my Steam Deck *a lot*. I also was a total cheapskate and bought the 64GB version and stuck an SD card in. Performance and size/weight seem pretty nice for the Ally.
@doc8125 11 місяців тому
Same, I use trackpad+gyro for all aiming in FPS games and couldn't live without it. Plus they're so versatile in what they allow you to do with control schemes and how to interact with more desktop like elements of the OS
@gugic42 11 місяців тому
Well, everyone is different, right? I would love to get rid of trackpads on my steam deck in exchange to smaller body size. And trackpads realistically are the only reason why steam deck is SO HUGE. It's mainboard is actually accurately sized by the sceen size. Though ROG Ally is much smaller actually.
@KnexFour 11 місяців тому
I agree completely, the trackpads are a must. Point n click games, desktop, programs, RTS, MOBAS are all possible and a joy to do on the deck because of those trackpads. To me the Ally is a console, the Deck is a PC for this reason. And I also agree that comparing the Ally to the most expensive Deck is a mistake, it should be compared to the cheapest one. I paid $15 on Craigslist for a 256GB 2230 SSD to replace the cheapo 64GB drive it came with.
@Rugg-qk4pl 11 місяців тому
I bet it isn't even an option because of amazing patent law :-)
@aboveaveragebayleaf9216 11 місяців тому
@@doc8125 same
@RavenRants 5 місяців тому
i just got mine yesterday. was playing around with it all night. Such a cool device
@ToXiCxMadness2 7 місяців тому
I’ve been waiting for a steam deck for a long time. It was sold out for for a long time so I was able to buy it fairly recently. As soon as I bought it, a couple weeks later the Ally was released. Happens every time, I want the best gaming device but I ain’t rich so now they release the best hand held! Thanks
@globabee. 11 місяців тому
from what i’ve seen i think i’ll stick with the steam deck. I know that the steam community will have my back with repairability and support
@weldsj8847 11 місяців тому
I did get the $400 64 Gig. I do intend to put in a 1-2 TB SSD. I don't know that the Ally will have other options for more than 1/2 TB, or as much support as Deck users get in upping their storage. I'll be happy with it for the next 5 years by which time, who knows what will be out and at what price.
@ghostlegit 11 місяців тому
Steam deck is mid now
@StueyTheWiz 11 місяців тому
I'm sticking with my deck for now too i only play less demanding titles on it if i want to play the latest and greatest I have a pc for that
@Ja3300n 11 місяців тому
Yeah after seeing Gamers Nexus Video about ASUS from today, I will stay away from their products for a while.
@m.g.a3481 11 місяців тому
@@ghostlegit Software optimization is the key. What brings u double performance when ur game runs still shit. The Ally will get 2 years support and then their will be a new one and the old ones won't have a support like the deck
@SilvercreekAnimations 11 місяців тому
The trackpads on the Steam Deck are a big selling point for me, the extra precision helps.
@titoriano1 11 місяців тому
Crazy I know, but it’s a deal breaker when others don’t have them lol
@azenyr 11 місяців тому
Don't forget the touch sensitive joysticks. Amazing to make certain functions and controls only activate while you are actually touching the joystick. I use it to turn on and off "gyro as a joystick/mouse" in many games when I want precision control. After experiencing how flexible the steam deck is with all its hardware, all other handhelds seem dead to me. And btw 80% of the target audience of these handhelds are people who are playing old triple As, indies or emulation. Steam Deck power is already overkill. I play Read Dead Redemption on it all medium-high with FSR at 40-50 fps, perfect. I've seen comments about "cant run COD Vanguard on the steam deck!" And im like seriously dude? Play COD on the PC or big console for the love of god.
@lelandbatey 11 місяців тому
The SD costing $300 (~40%) less is the biggest selling point for me.
@SilvercreekAnimations 11 місяців тому
@@azenyr I completely agree.
@azethegreat958 11 місяців тому
Don't forget the gyro as well.
@mattvmani 10 місяців тому
I haven’t used the deck but just preordered the ally. I like using Macs for work, productivity, etc and parallels runs all of my RTS games but shooters are rough, and games like Diablo are strictly direct x 12 these days. Not to mention a need for serious processing power so you need a pro model to jump the gap (only to find out the game probably won’t run great anyway). The ally is the perfect calling. It will take care of my racing games, shooters, and RPGs. Even better it can practically be played in the car and charged via usb. I have zero expectations for gaming on the go so battery life isn’t much of a concern as much as portability and the ability to play direct x 12 games. A small gaming laptop I’m sure won’t even make it an hour so we will see how this goes!
@Gmeister100 11 місяців тому
The battery test only used UKposts loop, other tests in real life gaming scenarios with lower spec games on vids from other creators seem to show the steam deck having the edge to a more significant degree than this video outlines (from what I’ve seen anyways!) - this is probably a fairly big deal depending on how much you play unplugged :) For AAA I think it’s a lil more shaky
@samnite3 11 місяців тому
I will stick to the SteamDeck and save for the next VALVE product. I do like that more options are coming out though as this will ultimately benefit us as consumers.
@portanrayken3814 11 місяців тому
the extra cost is not worth it for me at least
@MechanicaMenace 11 місяців тому
Tbh the increased performance is a bit pointless to me without a Steam Input style solution to playing mouse and keyboard centric games.
@JohnnyCagewins 11 місяців тому
And in true Valve fasion, the Steam Deck 2 will be amazing everyone will be anticipating the 3rd variant years later but sadly it will never come😅 All jokes aside I love my Steam Deck but it seems like the ROG ally will fill a nice void for people not interested in strategy or older PC games. I want handheld gaming to take off
@gorukooo 11 місяців тому
@@JohnnyCagewinsThat’s the valve curse. However they are probably more likely to update a console rather than a game series. Steam deck v1 is only gonna be viable for a few more years.
@samnite3 11 місяців тому
@JohnnyCagewins I honestly don't want Valve to rush out the next model too quickly. Let them perfect the experience of the current model and listen to community feedback like they have been already. When technology allows for a better screen AND better battery life for a reasonable price then come out with the next model. I can see Valve offering a higher tier model for a higher price since the most popular model was the 512gb version.
@jaidarling8855 11 місяців тому
I still fundamentally believe that one of the biggest "pros" for the deck is the trackpads. No other handheld has either replicated or competed with this at all and it's such an invaluable feature for people who play lots of strategy games for example.
@chromesucks5299 11 місяців тому
Steam owns the patent for those type of trackpads,
@Klldarkness6008 11 місяців тому
Makes the Sims series, Simcity, City Skylines, etc etc all completely playable on the Steam Deck. Accurate mouse controls that don't rely on a joystick, or switching what kind of control said joystick offers, is a huge plus in my book. Add in that I just find it hard to believe that anyone is going to spend so much money to play high end games, when they likely already have a gaming PC, and I don't know that it will be as successful as Linus hopes. You can get a refurbished 3080TI for $700 most days of the week, and if someone already has a gaming PC, upgrades seem more likely. The Steam Deck sold very well in the beginning, with preorders and sales since, but that was also because the bang for the buck was really there...I'd imagine the people that would buy a handheld gaming PC have already bought one. The Steam Deck. Personally I hope I'm wrong, and that it sells like hotcakes. That'll convince other manufacturers to get into the space, and that can only ever be good for the consumer.
@legostarwarsrulez 11 місяців тому
The steam controller r&d is finally earning its money back
@glub1381 11 місяців тому
You're right. All 4 people who play those games will only buy steam decks.
@azenyr 11 місяців тому
Glad someone mentions the trackpads. Ofter overlooked, and a big mistake not talking about them when he was speaking about how hard it was to control the mouse in windows with rog ally's joysticks. I play many games exclusively with the right trackpad instead of joystick for camera. No Mans Sky is a big example. I love steam deck hardware input devices and flexibility, it's literally perfection
@XcaLiPaul 11 місяців тому
Great vid. Pre-ordered Ally and D-brand screen protector because of it. 👍
@jakobm383 11 місяців тому
For the same price i wouldnt be sure which one to take but the steam deck for 400$ + 50$ for a bigger ssd is still the much better value i think
@Shaflugi 11 місяців тому
I'd be really interested to see what the ROG Ally's performance looks like on SteamOS. You don't have to worry about Asus' software if you just change the OS :)
@FoxyDrew 11 місяців тому
The Ally runs Windows not iOS lmao, if you want to remove ASUS's software, just remove it. No point in flashing an entirely different operating system and running every game through a compatability layer just to remove ASUS bloat.
@bionic-beaver 11 місяців тому
@@FoxyDrewYes but what if you want to remove Windows telemetry?
@TrueThanny 11 місяців тому
@@FoxyDrew SteamOS is a flavor of Linux, not iOS. And you don't "flash" an operating system. You install it.
@theuprising2216 11 місяців тому
where are people getting "ios" from can people not read he said OS not IOS lmao
@lexkek5625 11 місяців тому
@@theuprising2216 people that can't read or have no clue about what they're talking about
@mcst6969 11 місяців тому
Your issue with the ally will be fixed with the next fw update (beta), but it's also likely removes your warranty is your turn on a non default feature (like 120Hz)! -Asus
@charlesm.2604 11 місяців тому
Thanks for the heads-up we appreciate ya, boss! 👍
@connor040606 11 місяців тому
Killed it!
@Sigma1 11 місяців тому
I wonder if they will start shipping it in a bundle with a fire extinguisher
@auzanasyraf4551 11 місяців тому
LMAO
@charmcaster32 10 місяців тому
Just got mine today. Its pretty sweet. And I got it a day early
@3vilSuperman 11 місяців тому
I bought a Steamdeck. I love it. Maybe if the ROG had the dual touchpads I would have gone for it but those Steamdeck touchpads are amazing. As far as performance all my favorite games play really well on it.
@JosephJoestar888 10 місяців тому
what are your favorite games?
@mobaby1979 10 місяців тому
Last time I heard so much about pads, my kids were younger and needing me to run to the Walgreens
@mike-ws3jl 10 місяців тому
Yeah I got a steam deck during the spring sale for like 20% off change out the 64gb to a 1tb ssd, all together about 470
@serpercival2018 8 місяців тому
Which version of the steam deck - I just wanna play baldurs gate
@mike-ws3jl 8 місяців тому
@@serpercival2018 well my friend says it plays very well on the deck with very little fps glitches, but the install size is like 120gb
@valeriojackable 11 місяців тому
The missing Trackpads are a deal breaker for me. The additional extra height of the screen of the deck is nicer for emulation. With the deck you can set the refresh rate of the screen and the fps target using a single slider. 45 fps on 45 hz = money The Steam Deck console-like sleep function is important on the go.
@DnBFlow 11 місяців тому
i agree, after running windows only on my deck for few months, I cant imagine dong it without trackpads.
@DroBoww 11 місяців тому
I completely agree with you, also the fact that valve will probably make a lot of new models of the steam deck and will support it for a long time whereas I doubt the ally will get the same support.
@bcav712 11 місяців тому
@@DnBFlow how is running windows on it? I’ve been thinking of switching to it.
@m11kan 11 місяців тому
@@DnBFlow there is touch screen that you can use
@ianaVi 11 місяців тому
It wasn't mentioned, but the Ally also lacks game suspend/resume. Kind of a big deal when playing on the go.
@findgod... 11 місяців тому
Also shader downloading
@inferno7528 11 місяців тому
It has that feature
@panamike6178 11 місяців тому
Kind of a big deal all around. Those PC games take a while to start up, not the same as a console game starting up. The auto resume is amazing. I play the Witcher 3 till 1am wake up hit power and leave right where I left off.
@purplebatdragon 11 місяців тому
3:40 That really is incredible when I remember I had a GTX1060 at release, and it struggled to do 60fps at 1080p medium.
@realtayo42 11 місяців тому
The future of heldhelds is so exciting! I'll be sticking with the steam deck because the user experience is just so nice, but I'm glad to see other big manufacturers stepping in.
@dzenacs2011 11 місяців тому
You know you ruin your eyes playing on small screen watchin on little details ? Its not even ajusted to mobile gaming you are just playing pc games on small screen.Really Unhealthy
@Freakmaster480 11 місяців тому
@@dzenacs2011 You do understand the the distance from your eye to the screen is different right. While the screen is smaller it is, at least in my experience, much closer to my eyes.
@mrmeadowsiscool 11 місяців тому
@@dzenacs2011 you mean you didnt ruin yours already playing pokemon on a nonbacklit gameboy color ?
@FalkFlak 11 місяців тому
afaik that's an urban legend. It's the long time staring into low brightness of screens that's killing our eyes (that's even so in low light apartments). We're build to walk in the bright sun light. That doesn't mean we should Play from a 10cm distance, though.
@TheGreatHorseradish 11 місяців тому
@@dzenacs2011 You can’t ruin your eyes by using them unless you’re staring at the sun or a welding arc.
@michaelroy1631 11 місяців тому
I'm still watching, but I LOVE the visual cues you're adding to the performance charts to highlight the numbers as you talk about them. It's already much easier to follow along without needing to pause (and I can still pause if I want to explore the numbers in more detail). PLEASE keep doing this - I'm a big fan!
@travelerofthevoid 11 місяців тому
Seems like a decent start but the Steam Deck has had way more thought and care put into the user experience it would seem. It's like Asus put all the cool features on the whiteboard, but Valve actually thought about how to implement them and how they would interact. If they go for a 2nd iteration, they can probably dethrone the Steam Deck, but by then we'll probably have a new steam deck.
@KLAP_TV 11 місяців тому
You're very right about that Valve really did think about the interplay between the various functions and -to me this is key- listened a LOT to the community in developing the software. All the functions people see now are for a large part things the community asked for, like Game profiles and more settings in the quick menu etc. Valve also really wants you to go and experiment with the device - it's really your device. Partnering with iFixit is just such a big finger to Apple and their anti-consumer hatred etc.
@idkidk1952 11 місяців тому
@@KLAP_TVfr bro valve is for the community and always have been. I definitely believe the deck will get better and better cuz they actually listen/care bout their consumers
@AZBCDE 11 місяців тому
Value didn’t put much thought into the Deck’s aesthetics or its screen display. Both look HIDEOUS, so so UGLY
@travelerofthevoid 11 місяців тому
@@AZBCDE The screen is fine, could it be better? Sure, but then that raises the price. The aesthetics overall don't really matter in this because that's subjective. It isn't a car or clothes, it's meant to play games. Aesthetics will come in to play years down the line when more companies have products that can compete with the steam deck, giving people more choice, which would be great. But at the moment, everyone is so focused on "beating the steam deck" they don't actually look at why the steam deck is holding it's ground. They made it hella simple to use out the box for (and this is the most important part) even the average person: "Game mode" is the default, here's your games list and if it has a green checkmark all you have to do is download them, and you're good to go.
@Foogi9000 11 місяців тому
@@AZBCDE Nah you gotta be smoking crack as the design is perfect for what it is.
@MXG_Zz 11 місяців тому
Amazing job at reviewing both products and not being biased making sure to list major pros and cons about the both 👍🏿 and a sub don’t worry I made sure to put on the 🔔
@panamike6178 11 місяців тому
He said the Steam Deck Sucks at the beginning of the video.
@jairo.cabello 11 місяців тому
This feels a better console to play AAA games, but I believe the steam deck customization layer with the touchpads, 4 rear buttons and an incredible UI to create and share control schemes will be much preferred for playing actual computer games on the move.
@GeoStreber 11 місяців тому
I agree, but that just means that Microsoft needs to pull up a new UI for a mobile version of Windows 11, or, alternatively, Valve needs to publish SteamOS for 3rd party hardware as soon as possible.
@ThompYT 11 місяців тому
@@GeoStreber dont think that'll bring touchpads to the ally
@Natsukashii1111 11 місяців тому
Nah steam deck is limited to single player game. If you want to play real multi-player games, well ally is way better.
@ThompYT 11 місяців тому
@@Natsukashii1111 No it isn't lol
@zachc4451 11 місяців тому
@@Natsukashii1111 I guess "real multi-player games" all have the same anticheat, and none of those multiplayer games that DON'T have anticheat, or have SteamOS (or Linux entirely) white listed are not "real multi-player games".
@maksymiliankuznik4856 11 місяців тому
Still, I'd buy the SD. In my country, the cheapest Steam Deck with 512 GB M.2 upgrade costs about 60% of this ROG Ally model. Also, Steam Deck has official repair parts and community support.
@W3RTY 11 місяців тому
Yeah I don't understand why more people don't just take the 64gb SD and upgrade it for cheap to a 512gb one, it's just a no-brainer
@Zac-pj3tc 11 місяців тому
Community support will maybe come when people get it
@Anankin12 11 місяців тому
Apparently price disparity is great for a lot of stuff
@squidwardo7074 11 місяців тому
just buy the cheapest steam deck and upgrade the storage with a $30 sd card lol
@theinktician 11 місяців тому
@@W3RTY allegedly, there was a time when the 64gb SD didn't support M.2 SSDs. It only had an EMC module. It's probably changed now, but who knows
@ZeeLover123 7 місяців тому
I fixed the button sticking issue by taking the cover off and getting a fine grit sand paper and ever so slightly sending it out a little more.
@kise_ryota 11 місяців тому
I think Valve was really smart opting for more juice for the GPU than the CPU. A 4 cores CPU paired with an 8 CU GPU was more balanced IMO, giving really good performance at lower TDPs. I think that for a Deck 2, valve will opt for a 6-core CPU.
@gonschor7dleven 11 місяців тому
This just makes me more excited about whatever SOC Valve builds for the next Steam Deck.
@Eskoxo 11 місяців тому
not to mention they did not lie its actually custom amd chip this one isnt
@shi-woonyi2605 11 місяців тому
@@Eskoxo Valve did lie, didn't you watch? They promised 400 nits, but it's over 500! !!! x)
@azraeihalim 11 місяців тому
@@shi-woonyi2605 remember valve say about their deck targeting for 30 fps gaming? It turn out can run 60fps+
@npcimknot958 11 місяців тому
agree! this is a positive for us no matter what it will push valve
@oatsaredelicious2521 11 місяців тому
Didn't they say it won't get performance improvements for the next revisions.
@dromedda6810 11 місяців тому
I think this shows why valve decided to go with Arch, instead of windows. and im happy they did, and are actively investing in linux gaming. the ally sure has great performance when juiced up, but if you have to be tethered to the wall in order to use it, you might as well get a nice laptop and a controller. im not sure how i feel about it, it is great that there is competition from some of the big bois, but for now the deck seems to be the better option overall
@xgab0320 11 місяців тому
Yeah Arch is just better
@DownUnder43 11 місяців тому
No you don't need to be hooked to an wall 😆🤦. Stop with this garbage argument about battery because the Deck Baterry life is completely garbage gaming also. Nearly every owner I know has a power brick of 65W therefore you don't need to be hooked to a wall 🤦.
@Thewaterspirit57 11 місяців тому
The Ally still has better performance compared to the deck at 15 watts. So no, you don’t need to be tethered to a wall to be able to play the dumb thing. Also windows was never built with devices like these in mind, with such puny batteries. Majority of gaming laptops have a 99.9 watt hour battery, that still gets a good battery life even in something like a mobile RTX3050ti/4050 or 3060 mobile. Plus valve also made their “steam OS” really customized, and I guess free to use for any device, so they could’ve had windows and Steam OS on the device. Cuz Linux still stucks with gaming, especially outside of steam.
@NatrajChaturvedi 11 місяців тому
I hate that neither Asus nor others like Aya Neo want to invest in touchpad that Valve has been innovating on since they launched their controller.
@MrVoldross 10 місяців тому
Unfortunately, I lost my stream deck due to my kids being a bit wild one morning during drop-off. This is a nice brightside to that because I was going to eventually buy another, but this looks like a decent hardware upgrade. Now I just need to get the wife to okay dropping nearly a grand again (Canada prices) 💀
@pixelpatch 9 місяців тому
Gah I have the same issue
@brunoar4886 6 місяців тому
Sell your kids
@spike178 5 місяців тому
Lose the wife then buy whatever you want.... Glad I not married what a nightmare.
@vladislavkaras491 9 місяців тому
Cool review and comparsion! Thanks for the video
@kursed_aegis 11 місяців тому
Im happy to see more competition in the handheld pc market i bet it will sell a lot but what i adore more with my steam deck and valve is the massive support they have for the device you can tell valve wants it to succeed hearing that linus himself told asus about the button issue and seeing the production model still has the same problem is very telling of its future support from them
@Kmodoe 11 місяців тому
Look at there motherboards and JaysTwoCents newest video... Seems quite common for them
@petmach 11 місяців тому
The support probably wont be as good but TBF your example isn't that relevant. By the time Linus told them about the buttons, like a month or two ago, the hardware was very probably already manufactured.
@jeffd696 11 місяців тому
I really want to support the linux (no pun) push, too. The more power I can give with valve in getting games working on linux the better. I was really hoping the popularity of the pc handhelds and steamdeck would finally get that ball rolling where we can ditch windows.
@mars_12345 11 місяців тому
Changing something like that doesn't take weeks. It takes months. But I can believe that they didn't care enough, given what they did with their motherboards for AMD platform.
@damyr55 11 місяців тому
@@petmach Sure, but that would only be relevant if we were talking about a very obscure issue, that Linus somehow discovered. But this is one of the control buttons. There's no way that this was news to them, when Linus told them
@MelvinTheMagician 11 місяців тому
I think this is a good case for how going Linux works in Valves favor. The modularity and opensourcey-ness allows Valve to customize the OS and get around Microsoft's mobile UI failings. So happy to see more competition. I want to see a future where mobile gaming PCs really take off.
@jfolz 11 місяців тому
It was pretty funny how "use Steam Big Picture mode" was the suggested fix for the shortfalls of ASUS' software.
@seshpenguin 11 місяців тому
I wonder how well the Ally would work with one of the SteamOS ISOs.
@Gfirex 11 місяців тому
@@seshpenguin Depends on the hardware and if it's supported.
@seshpenguin 11 місяців тому
@@Gfirex Yea, it's a customized SoC among other things so it might be up to the community to write and port drivers for Linux.
@flashgnash 11 місяців тому
This is so cool, if this were integrated into a book along with your other ideas I would read it on the spot
@delay5246 10 місяців тому
I'm looking forward to trying Asus Ally outside on a cold day in Toronto
@azenyr 11 місяців тому
Important point is longevity. Steam deck is literally unkillable. Hardware wise its almost fully repairable and very easy to repair. Nothing is glued, normal screws and everything is modular. Software wise, that thing is Linux with an open BIOS and very open almost everything. Even if valve ever stops supporting it, the community will make custom Linux distros for it and will never let it die (they are already making custom distros to dual boot on it). Having 16GB of RAM is also very good logevity wise compared to it's performance. I expect the steam deck community to still be very much alive in 10-15 years. Not to mention many people have this console to play indies and emulation, stuff that will work the same way, forever. This is a console to keep. We can buy the next versions of it for better performance but this is not a console to throw away. This will stay an emulation beast and a "community console" forever even after valve abandons it. Asus will probably abandon this in 3-4 years and Microsoft will never give a fck to it. If the BIOS is closed up, it's a dead device very soon.
@manitoba-op4jx 11 місяців тому
i disagree. until they sell me an audio board, that is. (it's not available on ifixit and my vol+ is stuck)
@aichismurfmaster6217 11 місяців тому
Learn how to use literally
@sergeykish 11 місяців тому
So parity once it runs SteamOS.
@Donassa 11 місяців тому
And if all fails, you can still use at it as a tiny linux server (for many applications) for your home network needs!
@azenyr 11 місяців тому
@@sergeykish Ally is still missing many things. Is it repairable? Is it modular? It seems like at least the wifi card isn't, a dead wifi is a dead system. The microSD card reader also doesn't seem modular. Stuff is soldered. In Steam Deck everything has connectors and can be easily changed without requiring any soldering. I just replaced my joysticks with hall effect ones and it was literally plug and play, 5 minutes max. I have also put some noctua thermal paste and now the system never goes above 80C and is much quieter. Everything is so easily accessible and hackable. That's the beauty of the Steam Deck. And I am still waiting for someone or some damn youtuber to show if the Ally can actually boot other OSs. These special devices have special BIOSes that are sometimes VERY locked up, and sometimes won't let you boot from external devices. I don't think its the case but better check it before buying.
@ketaminekyle747 11 місяців тому
The Steam Deck still looks like a much better option to me. Valve will be supporting it far longer that ASUS will the Ally, since ASUS doesn't make any money off it after purchase. Also the Steam Deck is repairable and will probably last for 10 years or more if you treat it right
@Soal-el2dy 11 місяців тому
Doesn't make any money after purchase??
@tykendrick800 11 місяців тому
It can't play newer games. Redfall don't play well, farcry 6 have bad input lag. If we are honest. It's really lacking when it comes to playing AAA games. But it's still worth the money.
@zachc4451 11 місяців тому
@@tykendrick800 Redfall don't play well for many people regardless of handheld or not. Also, input lag has a direct relationship with framerate as well as the display itself, and can also have other factors that can be *fixed*.
@Khaostheory1980 11 місяців тому
@Tyrone Kendrick I don't think Redfall should be used as a yardstick for anything 🤣🤣. Redfall doesn't work well on any platform.
@stitchfinger7678 11 місяців тому
@@Soal-el2dy Buying a SteamDeck is a portal into the Steam ecosystem, where you can then give Valve more of your money thru games and other hardware purchases. Buying an Ally just...buys an Ally. They can't really further monetize the project after everyone has one.
@ant2901 10 місяців тому
This thing is insane. It’s crazy the things we can run on laptops and things such as the ally these days while keeping the devices quiet
@SamAlexanderYouTube 10 місяців тому
Would it be possible to revisit the ROG Ally review now that they've put out their launch day drivers/new software? I've heard it significantly improved performance among other things
@Epsilonsama 11 місяців тому
My problem is that with Asus way of managing the blowing up motherboards Idk if I could trust their support to fix devices. Steam Deck has godly support
@btarg1 11 місяців тому
Reminder that the steam deck has haptic trackpads, the unique analog sticks etc. and the base tier model can be upgraded.
@SWOTHDRA 11 місяців тому
The upgrade in ssd is ba slow version, so not really an upgrade
@JeffR110 11 місяців тому
Right? Im glad theres finally some competition that is reasonably priced, but those trackpads are amazing and *most* people would be fine getting the cheapest steam deck and putting a cheap 500gig sd card for storage. At least this steam deck killer doesnt cost twice as much, I really hate seeing those videos of machines costing twice as much trying to compare themselves to the steam deck. Id certainly expect something that cost that much to be better then it
@WhiteRaven___ 11 місяців тому
@@SWOTHDRA not really an upgrade? Lol you can put a much better SSD in the base model steam deck than what comes on the high end model for less money.... besides the screen protector that's the only difference between the models
@Later_Nerd 11 місяців тому
@@SWOTHDRA honestly SSD speeds are so overrated. You can stare at a spec sheet all you want but in real world usage it really doesn't matter. I have a Samsung SSD in my Steam Deck and a Samsung MicroSD card. Honestly, unless it's a huge open world game, I don't care where I install the game. The MicroSD performance is completely adequate. So maybe you have to wait an extra 4 seconds when you first launch the game. Who cares lol. SSD speeds just don't matter in a real world scenario like the specs would lead you to believe.
@justinbradley25 11 місяців тому
Do you think replacing the thermal paste might yield slightly better performance? I didn’t see anything about premium thermal past or Liquid Metal on the ROG listing. Knowing ROG they are usually proud of there cooling solution or thermal paste choice.
@alanreynolds4262 11 місяців тому
If I didn't already have a steam deck, I would definitely get this, but I use my Steam deck for mostly indie games or less demanding games. Big AAA titles I us my desktop for, so the extra power on the ROG isn't as big a deal to me.
@Aremisalive 11 місяців тому
The fact that the Deck is actually $399 + 50-70 bucks for a 512gb SD card still kills everything else for me.
@horacegentleman3296 11 місяців тому
Smooth brain take.
@animesh2217 11 місяців тому
It has emmc storage instead of SSD in base model
@rafaelpinhaosantos 11 місяців тому
Yeah but the decks hardwares is old school, can't handle most games
@pascha4527 11 місяців тому
@@animesh2217 emmc is still quite fast and every games I tried running from an SD card were just fine.
@Aremisalive 11 місяців тому
@@horacegentleman3296 How so? Its sooo much cheaper
@Jumbojet776 11 місяців тому
If you can eventually get the Steam Deck's OS on this thing, I think it would be an absolute FORCE. That being said, it doesn't really do anything that my deck doesn't, so I'll probably wait for the next generations
@jclosed2516 11 місяців тому
Question is how the SteamOS version, that is specially made for Steam Deck hardware, will behave if that hardware is nowhere to be found. Do not forget that the game optimization is tailor-made for the graphic capabilities and input hardware (as well as pads and haptic feedback) of the Steam Deck. I think the generic SteamOS for PC's will run somewhat fine, but the Steam Deck version will have some problems...
@blunderingfool 11 місяців тому
Wouldn't that just be Big Picture Mode? (With some limitations.)
@yippy7951 11 місяців тому
@@blunderingfool that is an application Steam Deck OS is an operating system
@azenyr 11 місяців тому
@@blunderingfool that's like getting a half baked SteamOS or SteamOS from Wish, but with a HUGE massive hog that is Windows and all its thousands of useless apps like Teams, OneDrive and Office all running and installing themselves in the background quickly making uour 16gb RAM feel like 8. I also agree that Linux (SteamOS for example) is the best OS for handhelds like these where every little point of performance vs battery life matters.
@theobserver4214 11 місяців тому
@@azenyr office doesn’t run in the background, otherwise it would be truly dire 😂
@BoyGeorgiaX 11 місяців тому
Hey! I thought you guys were gone forever. Glad you’re back!
@MetalGear0987 9 місяців тому
My most loved feature of the steam deck is having the dpad,abxy and sticks on the same line. If you move your thumb down or up a lot youre not in a comfortable position anymore. Try playing first person shooter on the ps vita for example. Its like a worse version of the ps4 controller and i didnt like the stick placements there anyways. Love how xbox controller is going for inbetween or rather focuses for games that use stick and abxy. I wouldnt play first person shooter without mouse and keyboard anyways. Making dpad and left stick so close to each other is also really comfortable if you play an rpg as an example and try to navigate the menues. I think dpad just works way much better for this then switching over to the stick for movement.
@lilaclullaby 11 місяців тому
The timing of the ROG Ally coming out when Asus is getting dragged for some of their questionable practices in other areas is almost comical. I'm a big switch fan though and more players in the space of handheld that can easily be fed to the tv is a win imo. Though I highly value portability and like them to be small (I struggle to use pretty much all phones these days bc of how they are made for giant people with giant people hands).
@kiitter 11 місяців тому
It would be nice to see something like a 1 year later video to see how they sand after the ally has time to mature.
@shibeguy8660 11 місяців тому
That's what I'm waiting for but at that point I suspect a deck 2 announcement and the deck has proved itself to me already
@aceywacy5156 11 місяців тому
Sand
@joshjlmgproductions3313 11 місяців тому
@@shibeguy8660 Valve has said they don't plan on releasing a Deck 2 for many years. And if they ever were to do so, they would focus more on battery life and other QoL features instead of more performance.
@adultlunchables 11 місяців тому
I'm waiting another 10 yeras for the weight to drop. Everyone glosses over the fact that all these PC handhelds weigh like 3x more than a Nintnedo Switch. Fuck that shit. I already put my Switch down in tabletop mode during long play sessions. For how much these weigh, just get a gaming laptop and a wireless controller.
@aa-yt7wo 11 місяців тому
Probably another year and a half we'll have one with Strix Point and 32GB memory. 16 RDNA3+ CUs
@robertailwood9539 Місяць тому
Just bought the z1 extreme Feels like a win
@j.m.mendez6091 8 місяців тому
"Hey, at least I'm not on ProtonDB right now checking to see if my game is supported at all." - Ouch. As someone that games mainly on Linux, that hits close to home.
@Angelfyre. 11 місяців тому
I like what the Z1 Ally’s trying to do but, as someone who has a Deck I cannot underestimate the ability Valve gives you to customize your control schemes. Being able to do so much with all buttons, triggers and trackpads on the deck is so nice. I have a feeling a Deck 2 or a Deck 2.0 is going to likely be the Z1 Ally with better I/O.
@stankbuddha 11 місяців тому
you have a deck but no pc ? ? ? that feature has been on the pc client of steam for years
@kareemelbrashy1478 11 місяців тому
valve said that the deck 2 wont have better peformance
@mephisto5856 11 місяців тому
@@kareemelbrashy1478 pretty sure it will since ASUS bumped up the competition. The Ally is the only competition that the Deck has at this point. The million dollar question for all is that what kind of support that ASUS will give to the Ally since everyone who knows ASUS well knows that they have terrible customer support and now experiencing issues with their mobos.
@ykiikii 11 місяців тому
@@stankbuddhaWe're talking about handheld vs. handheld. A PC is not a handheld.
@glebkorniyenko1084 11 місяців тому
right? also the trackpads, admittedly they aren't as useful in games but I couldn't imagine navigating desktop without them, and that's not something they would be able to just patch in
@childrey14 10 місяців тому
I got a customized Steam Deck with a 1tb swap and I just got my Asus Ally yesterday. I enjoy both, but the Ally has some great visuals on the screen. I'm keeping both.
@SlurmpMergatroid 11 місяців тому
I'll will say that the Rog Ally is way more powerful specs wise compared to the steam deck, however, the steam deck seems more user friendly and has way more features. Also I love Valve and I'm not gonna spend 700 dollars on a mobile computer. This was a great comparison video though!
@sp7186 5 місяців тому
lol what do you think the Steam Deck is? not a computer? Just because its not running windows doesn't make it not a computer lmao, its just running linux.
@SlurmpMergatroid 5 місяців тому
@sp7186 yeah, I said I'm not spending 700 dollars on one.
@R500evoL 11 місяців тому
I just bought a steam deck a month ago, and seeing this I still do not regret it. It cannot be overstated enough but the dual touchpads on the front of the steam deck are absolutely killer. Having to use the analog stick for the mouse is really not a pleasant experience(something I learned back on my nvidia shield portable). And having 4 mappable rear buttons instead of 2 is also really nice.
@DMitsukirules 11 місяців тому
Not to mention if you press the power button the game just sleeps and suspends, no library hold up or anything
@CaptDust 11 місяців тому
No touchpads kills the Asus interest for me as well. It is critical to playing a lot of not-so-controller friendly PC games
@immerse_yaself 11 місяців тому
I'd rather have Ally's touch Screen.
@TheBlazingRiver 11 місяців тому
You will regret it in exactly a month when it releases. It’s okay, FOMO is real - maybe you can email support and see if they will return?
@kingdan11 11 місяців тому
@@immerse_yaself deck also has a touch screen 🤷♂️
@sunderkeenin 11 місяців тому
I strongly value my battery life, so the majority of all Steam Deck games I play run flawlessly at 10w or below, often 7w or below, and in a surprising number of cases at the 3w floor. It's pretty insane how little that limits me though.
@bionic-beaver 11 місяців тому
That's called optimization
@Isamu27298 11 місяців тому
It’s rare that my Steam Deck runs at more than 10 watts.
@Jaxv3r 11 місяців тому
@@Isamu27298 the only game that tested that was Tales of Arise and Elden Ring for me xd
@YC-nc2td 11 місяців тому
By pure logic, the Battery Life is THE most important aspect for an Handled device...i just dont get those who said the contrary...And the RoG Ally is a way too much drainer...
@jfolz 11 місяців тому
Same. I usually aim for 3-4 hours of battery life on the Deck. Incidentally the fan is hardly noticeable at those settings. Unless you're playing new AAA games the Ally doesn't seem to make much sense. At least give it a couple of months to see how ASUS/Microsoft get on with software updates.
@TehNewParalyzer Місяць тому
I have a Deck and i just got the ROG Ally. I love Ally so much. Use it every day
@titangamer2578 21 день тому
you need to do one after using winpilot or some other debloating software for asus rog, additionally disabling the core isolation in windows security settings. It really improves gameplay
@lordThor312 11 місяців тому
There will always be something better than the previous. You buy the ROG ALLY now amd next year you'll see something that's double the performance of that. So just be happy for what you have
@doctadrey3000 11 місяців тому
that being said, im totally selling my steam deck and getting the win max 2
@Velocipastor 11 місяців тому
The good ole arguement. Everyone has to have the best stuff so they dont look more poor to their master race this or that friends
@bibabutzemann5661 11 місяців тому
@@doctadrey3000 omg no, i play all my games with gyro, wich makes the win max 2 a no go
@Foogi9000 11 місяців тому
@@Velocipastor I really do love the steam deck, it's not the most powerful but it has mousepads, the back grip buttons, gyro, and it's not running bloated spyware like windows 11. It plays the games i want relatively well considering it is a handheld and that's all i need.
@Velocipastor 11 місяців тому
@@Foogi9000 I use it for emulation so needing something more powerful is pointless when the deck is already sufficient enough
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