Ilan Pappé 👍 is a solid decent person. ❤️ 🇵🇸 🤍 🇵🇸 🖤 🇵🇸 💚

Totally agree

Mine tooo😊

Mine too. The truth always heals...

Son of God does not mean that God has a child in Christianity! *what a mistake in the Qur'an!* Son of God are 2 titles one referring to the Word of God = God himself and one referring to creation (humans, angels, demons)

I agree. 👍

... Only He is humanity’s hope "The Creator Alone Is Humanity’s Hope I want to fly back to Heaven, but have not wings I want to leave this world, but know not the Way I have lived both worldly glory and humiliation I have tasted both the bitter and sweet of the human realm When will the Creator come? Only He is humanity’s hope Autumn of 2013" Master Li Hongzhi (Hong Yin VI, from Falun Dafa teachings)

... The Creator has come "A Song for You I have a sacred song for you I once wondered: Who created Heaven, earth, and all things? Why does life seem such a trying and aimless affair? Who is it that I am? Who really am I? We try so hard, but are left perplexed over lifetimes Now Dafa [Great Law] has unlocked my wisdom I now understand life, and fret not over each trifle The Creator has come He calls on me to rouse lost lambs before the disaster This is the song you’ve awaited A melody from Heaven above October 2013" Master Li Hongzhi (Hong Yin VI, from Falun Dafa teachings)

Ccan't agree more

i"m from israel. he opened my eyes. thank you ilan.

Me too.

Me too.🙏🍈🕊️🌿

Beautiful post

Agreed! Let's not forget Max Blumenthal, Katie Halper, Gabor Mate and family, Phil Weiss, Rabbi Shapiro, Sam Seder, the Due Dissidence guys and Gideon Levy. I'm probably forgetting other names.

Avi Shlaim Daniel Levy Lara Friedman

We need de-programming in the US also. It's in process, but not organized. We have historians like the late Howard Zinn, Daniel Immerwahr ("How to Hide an Empire") but there is an active resistance (of course) to revisionist history re: treatment of indigenous people and the racism that goes back to slavery and to the present. It seems many (all?) nations develop narratives and educational systems to keep their myths alive. More power to Pappe

It's really hard to do it as Israeli Zionist without any incentives (from my own experience :) Might be more beneficial to 'deprogram' westerns so they will change the current conditions, which will give Israelis a incentive to change.

It's merely reprogramming. He's a propagandist not a historian.

@@jenkins7459 I think you never read one of his books. His assertions are the result of logical deduction from facts and sustained answers to questions raised from proven sequences of facts. A propagandist just uses slogans and even false facts to force others to accept their ideology. I don't think Ilan Pappé is a propagandist at all. He is a scholar historian who cares about facts, not about ideology. He knows that ideologies themselves are just facts shaped by history and you need to be aware about that or you will be fooled by them.

Zionist? So does Israel not have the right to exist? Is that how Europe responds to their uninvited immigrants, by attacking them as occupiers? Jews have been in Israel for over one hundred years. 80 percent of Jews in Israel were driven there from neighboring countries in the Middle East. Palestinians have to start taking some of the blame and responsibility for their predicament. Most Jews would love a peaceful and prosperous Palestine.

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I don't think he's ever been platformed on an american news program. How different policy could be, were they to have allowed regular appearances by this notable scholar who offers insights from so many perspectives and contexts in the package of one man.

He is also a great historian they are few videos on UKposts as an historian worth listening

For sure. 💯 Al Jazeera is doing excellent journalism. 💚 🇵🇸 🍉 🇵🇸 🤍 🇵🇸 🖤 🇵🇸 ❤️ 🇵🇸 🕊️

They are a model for the world at this point. Western interviewers only know how to interrupt and push their own narrative.

Spreading the hate of Islam

Excellent 👌 interview.

Absolutely. 👍

Did you get access to Gaza, if so, perhaps you could describe it a bit more?

@michellenorris8471 most tourists are not allowed to go to gaza... only Westbank because of Bethlehem

@@michellenorris8471 I did not, as Gaza has been an open air prison for a very long time.

I hope so too, but we must fear that this genocide will be so successful that there will be none left who are not in exile. Why do we allow this?

@@mariannehancock8282 There are many, many Palestinian refugees all over the world with legal rights of return for decades now, it is Israel who have unlawfully not allowed them to express this lawful right. Israel will never ever be able to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians.

There only "intellectual giants" in your mind because they confirm your preconceptions.

I'm surprised he is still alive after saying such things. He is such a great asset to the world. We need more people like him.

Yes, he said the truth and he is well educated but look at the other side Izraeli spokesperson Elon Levy studied at Oxford University...😂& he is the greatest Zionist 🤡🤥

Illan Pappe is an International Treasure...

"In my perspective, what's happening now in Gaza is far worse than what happened in 1948."

History awareness test: what do you think he's talking about happened in 1948? (real question; am curious)

​@@TristanMorrowthe nakba

@@TristanMorrow Just watch the video. He explains what he means in detail.

@@TristanMorrow In short, Nakba.

Much appreciated. 🇵🇸 💚 🇵🇸 ❤️ 🇵🇸 💚 🇵🇸 ❤️

For sure. 👌

Illan Pappe is an International Treasure...

Pape is ignorant and ignorance kills.

@@giladgross4976 of what? When a person hurls a pathetic insult and doesn’t add to the debate how would you describe them?

AMENmesse ca. 1203-1200 B.C. is the Nubian Pharaoh of the 19th dynasty that settled "sea peoples" in Kanaan ....In Christianity we end our prayers in his name, in honour of his role to Abrahamic religions....

Illan Pappe is an International Treasure...

It's even worse. Look at the balfour-declaration adressee.

@@OldTeaMate I know, Lord Rothschild - and what was said did not happen!

Wir können die Vergangenheit nicht ändern - aber in Zukunft vieles besser machen. Allein uns Bürgern (Sie britisch, ich deutsch) stehen nur all zu oft unsere Regierungen im Weg.

Britain didn't give away any land, this is an Israeli invention. The British goal was to create a Jewish ruling class in Palestine, just as the French were doing in Syria with the Alawites. This is about territory for governance, not land. Land ownership is private property, at no point was this "given away". As Britain became aware that the zionists had no intention of living along side the existing population, and were going to be violently removing them, Britain did actually start to put the brakes on... not very hard, we're still talking extreme racist times, but the zionists started getting support from Stalin, getting huge weapons imports from Czechoslovakia, and there was a lot of violence between the zionists and the British. But, after the war, there were some 300,000 holocaust survivors stuck in camps in Germany, and this was a real problem, as the population was deeply indoctrinated into the idea that it was Jewish people who were responsible for all the problems, and nothing would be better until they were gone. The zionists didn't really want the survivors going there, seeing them as probably the "bad ones" who saved themselves by selling out others, so couldn't be trusted, but Ben Gurion was basically bribed with getting legal recognition of the state in return for accepting a load of the survivors. The zionists began the massacres in november 1947, as British forces were preparing to leave. We turned a blind eye, to get peace in Europe, we condemned the Palestinians to eternal violence and terror. When the holocaust survivors arrived, they had empty homes to stroll right into. The zionists lied to them, exploiting their experience in Europe to control them, telling them "they hate us, we defended ourselves", trapping Palestinians in a narcissistic relationship where everything they do to try and escape punishment is interpreted as aggression that requires further punishment... ie, victim inversion. But make no mistake, the zionists stole the land with guns, they were extremely brutal, nobody gave it to them.

Indeed. Ilan Pappé is very good and honest historian. 🫡 💚 🇵🇸 🍉 🇵🇸 🤍 🇵🇸 🖤 🇵🇸 ❤️ 🇵🇸 🕊️

Illan Pappe is an International Treasure...

he is a witness, yes

Why listen to him, i think ICJ should listen to Taylor Swift.

Indeed. Very informative and respectful. Excellent work,👌 Al Jazeera and Ilan Pappé. 🇵🇸 ❤️ 🇵🇸 💚 🇵🇸 🍉 🇵🇸

For sure. 👍

Thank you for sharing this. I’m a Palestinian-American living in Europe in a community that has become an immigration destination for Israelis and white South Africans. While I find it challenging to summon empathy for these self-designated “refugees” who have become disillusioned with their “homelands,” I understand that, ultimately, we are all children of the Empire. It warms my heart to hear your story.💜🕊️

@@Annissa-dv6kc Thanks. If you want an affirmation, Google a picture of the South African Ruby team. A once bastion of Afrikaans manhood and South African identity, is now fully South African and fully supported in the country and has been for years.

Much respect, indeed. 🫡 🇵🇸 💚 🇵🇸

He has many books. _Ten Myths About Israel_ and _The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine_ are good starting places.

There are many both lectures and interviews with Ilan Pappé, if you haven"t noticed already, and not two are alike.

@@meetings3071 oh ok thx 😊 I will get both of those to start. Such knowledge of this event having in our time it is a treasure to have for the future generation to better understand and have a real inside view of this horrific event that will be in the history books.

@@OldTeaMate thank you! I feel bad that I’m just now learning about him smh 🤦🏽‍♀️

Und dann vergleichen Sie mal die Ansichten des Historikers Pappe mit der, des Historikers Wolffsohn. Leider sieht es so aus, dass Wolffsohn seine Indoktrination sowohl bei der Bundeswehr als auch neuerdings im Jugendbereich anbringen darf. Wir brauchen einen Pappe - aber wir haben einen Wolffsohn. Da läuft etwas ganz gehörig falsch.

You can speak out against hamas

​@@thegodkratos1275truth hurts, zionazi 😘

I found his description of the Gaza Strip from 1948-1967 quite disingenuous though, he neglected to mention that Egypt invaded and annexed the territory, calling it an Israeli creation makes no sense.

@@VerneRawks 17 years of the total blockade of Gaza, 56 years of occupation and 75 years of dehumanization of the Palestinians? No one is superior to another, otherwise we allow what happened in the 1940s to return, but with other actors.

Spoken like a true Zionist & coloniser. Israel has become a Pariah state. Whatever happens next their people will never be looked at the same again....@@thegodkratos1275

What a veiled shameful statement as if Jews with a different viewpoint are not truthful.

lehi+irgun+stern. irgun founded by jabotinski, who wrote essay:"iron wall", his opinion of "current affairs". brits trained eastern european colonisers earlier, and used them as auxilliary forces. Many brit officers were christian zionists (I.E. general major orde charles wingate, who bannered unconventional warfare). The native were heavily brutalised throughout the '30s. Recommended podcast: Fear&Loathing in Palestine, Darryll Cooper (MartyrMade).

Nicht zuletzt waren KZs eine Erfindung der Briten.

Predicting the future is not difficult. It is pattern recognition.

It is pretty lonely, but once you see the injustice you can't un-see it.

​@@aviava7097 The straight path is not always the easy path. Respect 🫡 to you for standing with the truth.

@@aviava7097 But many see the injustice and stay mouth shouted to avoid personal troubles. He has the courage to speak. He deserves respect for that.

Un grand historien qui a la Palestine au coeur

@@mariaejose4437 Unfortunately I don't think this is true. Almost all of Israeli society, 'left' and right, just support Zionism.

Indeed. 👍

Many Israelis are very educated. He stated the problem is what they teach their kids. Zionist was a bunch of people who left Europe before the horrors of WWII, and those people flooded illegally into the British mandate. They have had the tin cup out, sucking the wealth of the world with tears of what happened in Europe. The Middle East will only continue at war until something is done.

Oh, so Palestinians don't need any education or enlightenment.

Good morning! Wake up my friend! In accordance to several independent research show that Israel is one of the most educated and enlightened country on the world, not Gaza or the West bank.

Educated? Notice how Pape never talks about the Islamic religion and certainly never mentions the Hadiths that call for violence.

@@ASKR612 That wonderful fact has been purchased on the back of many true owners of the land that they stole. The wonderful education has often been obtained with the tin cup making others pay the cost.

We ought to live as egual , with egual rights for every one. Then no need for a wall of shame. Justice, equity, respect and humanity for all can bring security and real peace

It has worked for centuries. Wouldn't it be wonderful again, all people of the 3 faiths living together in mutual respect and dignity.

@@orlandos8323 It would be wonderful and beautiful. I hope we see it someday!

Probably fair to say that the rival tribes in South Africa like the Boars, Zulu etc etc did not include many religious fanatics who consider they are on a mission from God to wipe out their rivals no matter what the cost and were keen to make a deal to avoid a never ending war. If Israel crumbles in the same way as other states in its imediate locality its probably going to go the same way as Syria, Lebanon and Iraqi with the moderate democrats crushed between rival extreme religious groups and fleeing into exile while the fanatics keep fighting. In this Ilan Pappe fleeing to UK in 2006 seems to be ahead of the rush.

I hear so much cruelty in the Israeli education system against Palestinians and the evil treatment. It feels like it would take generations to pass before Palestinians would get respect as human beings, even after the genocide and atrocities stopped.

I agree. 👍 It is shockingly accurate to see how history repeats itself, including the plan to use starvation as a weapon, which was considered by the Zionists as far back as 1948.

Vor allem, weil er sich da noch auf Quellen berufen konnte, die - wie ich vor kurzem las - demnächst nicht mehr frei zugänglich sei. sollen. Kein Wunder bei der jetzigen Apartheid- Regierung.

AMENmesse ca. 1203-1200 B.C. is the Nubian Pharaoh of the 19th dynasty that settled "sea peoples" in Kanaan ....In Christianity we end our prayers in his name, in honour of his role to Abrahamic religions..

Absolutely.

Illan Pappe is an International Treasure...

Welch ein Unterschied zu den in Deutschland lebenden Juden Schuster in Wolffsohn. Gäbe es nur mehr von der Art Pappe oder Chomsky ​@@manubande

Ich habe das Buch ,Die ethnische Säuberung Palästinas' vor Jahren gelesen und darüber gestaunt. dass Herr Pappe Zugang zu so vielen Quellen hatte. Da waren Aufzeichnungen von Ben Gurion darunter, die wenig schmeichelhaft waren. Auch durfte Herr Pappe Einsicht in Militärakten haben und damit der Wahrheitsgehalt seiner Untersuchung der damaligen Vorkommnisse untermauern.

and please talk to our MSM - they need the correct information

Indeed.

Everyone who was there lived in peace side by side for centuries. Then something changed when an "-ism" was imposed.

​@@Simon.the.Likeableexactly 💯 that

​@@Simon.the.Likeable Yes, Zionism.

Sorry after seeing ppl blockading aid truck do t think I could ever do a both sides. I’ll leave it at that.

Die Frage ist, weshalb sind derartig aufklärerische 24:59 Interviews im deutschen TV nicht zu sehen? Warum und von wem wird das verhindert?

Hat - angesichts dieses Interviews - irgendein europäischer TV Sender Grund auf Al Jazeera herabzublicken? Ganz klar: Nein! Ihr von ARD, ZDF etc solltet Euch ein Beispiel daran nehmen, wie Journalismus auszusehen hat, damit er akzeptiert wird.