Man am so glad I found a for honor UKpostsr that talks about the lore and story

I think that in this case, Apollyon and the Order of Horkos are right. Not ethically right, but practically. Every single time peace comes to Heathmoor, it ends up ruined somehow. Calamity, possibly caused by "Sylvans." A second one, even. A foreign invasion. In real life, obviously it works a bit differently, but in For Honor I think the Order of Horkos aren't doing the moral thing, they're doing the correct thing. Think about it. The only reason they won is because they unified every faction and readied themselves for war, when finally everyone settled down to... what, exactly? Talk? When would the next threat come? In a world where a Roman Centurion can fight alongside a 15th century Gothic knight, all bets are off. Again, they unified warriors of every faction and were willing to unleash alchemical warfare to do it. If the Order of Horkos were to be invaded from somewhere else, they would wipe the floor with them. Anyway, that aside, Raven, you have my undying respect for that "sympathy for the devil" bit at the end about post-WW1 Germany. Not enough people understand it that way. One of your best videos yet.

The big question is this, where is the Roman Empire at this point in time if the strongest only survived the disaster thing, I can’t imagine that some knights, Vikings, or samurai could outlive the Roman Empire in a disaster like that

Without war there is no For Honor

I believe Astrea selected specific year 3 heroes, which made them betray their respective factions and become inducted into the Order of Horkos as Astrea’s generals. The heroes are as followed: Erzebet (Female Black Prior) Yato (Male Hitokiri) Gretar (Male Jormungandr) Fu Hou (Female Zhanhu) These characters served as the boss fighters during the year 4 season 4 events where you had to use the scythe to permanently kill them

10:16 This is what happened to eathmore actually. They lost many technologies: the crane, the theory behind siege warfare and weapons, advanced agriculture so much lost to time and warfare.

This has opened a new perspective about the lore on for honor that I have been too ignorant to think about. Thank you.

We are all, we are one, we are war!

Cod Advanced Warfare has one of my favourite quotes regarding war. The one where he says about how “both sides are convinced they are on the side of the angels”

In my opinion Chimera and horkos are the same groups. Both are fighting for their own egoistic goals, to defeat the other group. And the leaders are the most egoistic of each faction, Holden fights to redeem himself, Astrea wants revenge for apollyon. Both leaders are ignoring the goals both factions are fighting for. -both factions are having ONE main leader -both factions are using Draconite -both factions are at the same strength -both factions want to kill eachother -both factions are having Harbingers -both factions are ruining lives of innocent people -the leader of each faction has something to do with Apollyon. -both factions are ignoring what draconite does to the world, and their people In my opinion they are the same, just the same.

The "Who is Apollyon" was interesting

We Are All We Are One We Are War!

Very good and thought provoking video as always Raven. I think what could be interesting is if there's a third group that is neutral in this civil war between Horkos & Chimera. A group that just wants the war to end, and sees and understands both sides, but don't believe that their war will do anything. Idk its just a concept. Perhaps the first hero for year 5 could be the leader, or a leader of the neutral group. After all, there are always those who choose not to take sides of anything, and choose to be indifferent about it. But we'll just have to wait and see what happens when year 4 ends and year 5 begins.

Really enjoying your breakdown videos. And as I love For Honor as soon as I saw this video I watched it as quickly as possible. Thanks for the interesting perspective and of course. We Are War!

I wish I found this channel sooner, going straight into my subscriptions.

“In times of peace, prepare for war.” Niccoló Machiavelli.

This is what makes For Honor such a great game. It’s not just a Deadliest Warrior’s fever dream. There’s some nuance and level of depth to it. Sadly, the ignorance of people’s perception, fans or non-fans, has sort of given this game a more underground level of popularity. It’s overshadowed by other games that you could argue didn’t really deserve the recognition such as Last of Us 2. For Honor is a great game, and it isn’t dead. Anyone who says it’s dead is either stoopid, hateful for no reason, ignorant or just haven’t tried the game.

For a house of mafia, true peace can only be archived through the total destruction of all other houses. The forth faction came into the conflict with this kind of definition in mind. Discussing peace is just a delay to a great inevitable conflict.

Your channel is so underrated!

I love these for honor lore talks. So refreshing.

I enjoyed the video I prefer to fight for horkos myself as a warden and I also enjoy the historical and lore lessons of these videos the reason i fight for horkos “I would rather die with weaponry in hand and brothers and sisters around me rather then a shaky peace”--ser kaiser

This video was beautiful ..Subscribed 👍🏾👍🏾

great video! love your content! Im a new subscriber and love your videos man. Though i do disagree with a point on the civil war.

Great video as per usual, kinda wish that the devs weren't going for such a binary perspective now though. The clear cut good vs evil isn't as interesting as something like this where each side has compelling and clear motivations.

Great video!

Just saw a lore order that stated due to the deaths there is more resources for people than ever before

I'm watching this after going through a comparison of Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia course and you're spot on. with out giving too much info my travels around the world in conflict areas there's a common theme of desperation and determining what's right and wrong, but truthfully all rules are created by people and there are no true rules to how things function. It's a language barrier not between actual words but through interpretation that make everything also nearly impossible to reason with. This game is the only game I've consistently played over the past years and ill admit the story kind of slipped in the background. I found this channel watching meme videos too. lmao officially subbed.

Do you think you can do a video on the Chimera Alliance?

As yahtzee put it so graciously at the end of the day you cant have a world of war because you need someone to cook and resharpen all the pointy sticks

Its intriguing how the horkos are not necessarily evil, just people who want to have a strong and united country, perhaps this is why families are divided, it's just their immediate perspective that differs, but the warmongers who orchestrated the horkos are, it's so manipulative, but also realistic, look at nazi Germany. The ss and Hitler were obviously bad, but that doesn't mean each individual soldier was. To them, they were just defending their home, leaving politics to his betters, he was defending his family, and others who could not defend themselves, and yet evil was still the driving force. In horkos case, its astrea and the warmongers who possibly play with people's patriotism and their love for their home which provide them with followers, followers who aren't necessarily evil, but just want to defend their home. It's so cool when you think about it.

10:25 Another point to make is that the Imperium is LOOSING in Warhammer 40k, the empire is falling apart unable to sustain itself.

The reason why it’s important to humanize villains is not so you can condone their actions. It’s so you realize, that given the right circumstances, you can become a villain to. And that is what some people can not handle.

Great video! I am definately more in favor of Horkos than chimera alliance :D

Can anyone give some sort of reason as for why Raven is not the lore guy in the warrior’s den livestream ?

Short answer da long answer yes

Astrea may have good intentions. But the order itself... I doubt it. Considering they don't want to make their factions stronger. They want to rule. They don't want to "root out the sheep". They want the sheep to serve them. But then again, all I know I got from daily orders. I may be wrong

This is why in my Goblin Slayer/For Honor crossover story my character Fallen Knight doesn’t fully discard Horkos. She still believes that those who break the oaths they swore should be rightfully punished, but she does not kill the innocent.

Fallout 4 really got an update

i wish they give for honor some budget

Your channel needs more attention, much like R6 Siege, Ubisoft uses multiplayer to continue the story, and For Honor has such a good one!

so what im hearing is the called the warmongers to help but then said its ending stop before they helped and now they found astrea and joined them to finish what they were called for?

It seems like there's another faction coming in to for honor and it looks like the warmongers are working together with chimera

When will you get a new intro Raven knight?

I really like your take, but I don't 100% agree with you. 1. There were other factions that survived aside from the main 3, just look at the Highlander and the Romans that came from the settling dust, and now the Outlanders that are coming from across the horizon. Sure, most of them settled with the main 3, but they're still their own thing. 2. Other technologies CAN be cultivated during war times. The computer(or it's forefather, I should say) was a WW2 invention with Alan Turing if I remember right. For an in-game equivalent you could look at Zahn-hu(?) And his gunpowder discovery and application into fireworks and the Pirate's pistol.

2 years later and I gotta say this. Astrea is the Kylo Ren to Appolyons Vader, Horkos is the First Order to Appolyons Empire.

Same I love the storyline the character s and the truth behind humanity.

Yes.

As a centurion I believe that neither are as *INCREDIBLIS* as me

I think they are building up for a new faktion

Would be cool if the Wu Lin were just an expeditionary force for the Mongol Empite

This goes same for Japan post ww2

Why is Horkos portrayed as a jester and why does his festival seem to be more inspired by medieval France during Fools festival than a cult of murderers coming together? Also heard you mention cannibalism in another video, where do I find this lore?

I think marching fire proves horkos wrong, peace was only very recently established everyone still remembered their reason to fight and how to fight, infact their reason to fight was reinforced, they were no longer fighting for just their own well being and protection they were also fighting for the right to fight...and yet they still lost

Still hoping one day, the warmonger event will return

Since religion isn’t a big part of this game, even though in the story mode there were some hints of Apollyon saying something about “the people of Ashfeld all believing/follow the same god”. I hope that in year 5 religion becomes a big thing, it might sound stupid and I’m not sure how it would work, but I think it would be pretty cool. I’m not saying this just because I am a Muslim, no I just think it would be pretty cool.

And if I was in the same place as appolyonn I would do the same thing it inevitable.

Long ago not that long ago the knights in the Vikings Samurai were all in a peaceful coexistence War like no other everything was great until communism arrived they struck with great velocity with their overpowered light attacks and fast light spanning the Wo lan

It honestly depends which side you look at it from. For those who support horkos, they could see themselves as heroes and then the rest of us as filth from the bottom of your shoe

LET'S GO, BOIS!

''is the order of horkos evil'' y-yes?

No chimera is evil

When I was in high school, for three years straight I knew people who wholeheartedly believed that ignorance was a horrible thing Then I went to a Native Studies class in my last year of high school and my teacher said this; “Ignorance isn’t a bad thing, it’s just something that should be acknowledged, if you don’t know something, don’t act on it until you do know more about it” She was white as could be and got no complaints from the teacher there who was First Nations because this YOUNG WHITE WOMAN, learned everything she taught, she wasn’t ignorant, she wasn’t acting on false information, she wasn’t picking sides, she wasn’t ignorant, she was telling us the history of First Nations people The Horkos want war because war makes us stronger, and it keeps us stronger for any upcoming bad things like invading forces (like the Wu Lin) but war doesn’t have to be the solution It was still a WAR with the Wu Lin, because the Wu Lin weren’t facing off against rival tribes that were on their own, the Wu Lin were at war with all forces of Heathmoor, the unified forces of Ashfeld Knights, Myre Samurai and Valkenheim Vikings, but the issue here is that if those forces were unified, they should’ve been capable of dealing with the Wu Lin and sending the invading forces packing The issue is that the powerful forces of the Black Prior, the Hitokiri, the Jormungandr and the Zhanhu weren’t ALWAYS ready to go, they had to PREPARE, they were secret weapons that needed to be dusted off when they should’ve been ready as soon as a conflict rose, just like every other warrior from the separate factions The Horkos are separating the factions once again, to get them to go to war so that we’re strong, but in the process, we grow stronger by ourselves, meanwhile, Chimera just wants to go back to peace A weak unified force, or strong individual forces, those are the choices we have, Chimera wants unity but allows weakness, while Horkos wants strength but denies unity Neither side is good nor bad, both are just using very flawed approaches in what the main issue is; staying strong and ready for enemy forces when they come knocking, and a strong unified force is impossible to achieve, because through unity and peace, we grow weak, and through strength and war, we grow divided

The Chad chimera: knows that strength is only of worth to protect the week also beligrant lamb Simp Horokos: wants to involove everyone in there weird mommy kink

Bro you only LOSE manpower and resources in longterm battle. the truce was the PERFECT time to rebuilt because your population isn't focused on fighting (instead of farming or raising children) nonstop fighting with no breaks does not make an army stronger it makes them dead. A truce and demilitarizing are entirely different things.

Face reveal When?

At the end of the day the Knights are the villains in For Hono(u)r so of course the Horkos are the villains after all Gryphon isn't a Knight. Even his default armour is viking.

Warhammer lore they did progress a lot in terms of how to fight and new tech they do lose history but they did advance

Wait wait wait does this mean that other cultures are dead in this universe dammit that ruins my hopes and dreams of Maori warriors making it in the game oh well not a big loss I guess

Is the Order of Horkos Evil? theyre red, so yes

"War stagnates progress and discovery"? You might want to brush up on history. War creates progress out of necessity to have an edge. There is a saying; 'If you want peace you prepare for war'.

Did you seriously just compare the Horkos and Astrea to the Nazis and Hitler?

In the word of sokka from avatar: Yes! Blackstone legion was a better faction than this high fantasy retcon.

But 40k isn't constant war. Like in real war in 40k in 99% of the galaxy literally nothing is happening.

Uhhh homie hate to break it to you, war is the reason for the evolution of technology. Which came first WWII or the ability to level a country with 1-3 bombs? 🫡

Great video!

Yes.