Thanks! I can't say for sure but these are the items I've noticed: - The front entry steps have 2 steps instead of 3 - The large window near the dinette is different. Ours has a corner that pops out, the new one appears to slide open - There are now straps on the storage cubes under the bed - They removed the cubby above the TV and moved the TV up - There is a different backsplash in the kitchen area - The bathroom door opens towards the bunks instead of towards the fridge - The light in the bunks has been moved - There are now tie downs in the bunk cargo area - There's a beer opener near the door - There is now a TV mount on the outside - They have Goodyear Wrangler tires instead of Goodyear Endurance tires - There is a different TV antenna on the roof and it has been moved. It's located where we had placed a second solar panel. - I've heard it no longer comes with a Furrion TV but still 12 volt - I've heard they have stopped coming with Blackstones but come with a similar flat top griddle

@@RoginaRoaming Thank you and any thing related to Solar or Ace

I believe the solar option is still the same. It's pre-wired for solar and the 190 watt solar panel with a PWM controller is an optional upgrade.

@@RoginaRoaming Sounds good 👍

@@assami9736 I've got the 23 and they did replace the Blackstone with a new griddle and the new griddle is junk the hose caught fire on ours luckily it didn't travel down to the RV gas lines cause I put it out in time....if u get one with the new griddle change immediately it to the Blackstone...cause they are a safety concern...and they don't cook well at all... FYI

No problem at all! I'm glad you found it helpful.

Thank you! And I'm glad you found it! Ours ended up under the hinge of the entry steps. Took months to find it 🤣

😆 Thanks!

Thanks for the tips!! Everyone says upgrading to a big 5th wheel is the best route and where we'll end up but I can't imagine doing that. We love this trailer and think it's a great size. I'm sure you'll have fun with it 😁

No problem! I'm so glad to hear it was helpful 😊

Thanks for the feedback and so glad to hear it helped!

No problem! Glad you found it helpful!

Hey Angie! Sounds like some awesome adventures you have planned! Our front door handle is a little tricky to close as well but I've gotten so used to it I don't even think about it anymore. I completely agree with you, the little issues here and there are a small price to pay for the experience we get with the trailer. Happy camping!!

No problem! Glad you enjoyed it.

Thanks! Happy to hear, we feel the same 😊

What can I expect to pay out the door.

When we bought the going price was about $26k out the door. The prices have gone up and I hear a good deal now is around $32k.

Thanks, good idea! We haven't figured out a solution for that yet so we appreciate the tip.

No problem! Glad you liked it.

Nice, I'll have to check it out. And that sounds nice, seems like a large camp side window in a small camper is hard to come by.

Glad you liked it!

No problem, glad you enjoyed it!

Thanks!

I'm happy to hear it helped!

Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it!

Yeah it was pretty concerning when we first noticed it but it turned out to be a really easy fix.

I had 3 roof leaks on my North Trail 22rbs in the first 9 months. Needless to say I no longer have it nor would I recommend a North Trail.

That looks like a cool model. Good to hear you've had such a great experience with it. I've heard that all of the manufacturers tend to have issues in the first year but I'm very glad to hear that wasn't the case for you.

Oh wow, sorry to hear you've had so many issues. We haven't had a problem with the trailer feeling hot and stuffy yet but we also haven't camped in extreme heat yet. Adding 12 volt fans is a good idea.

It's about 4000 pounds dry, 5000 pounds fully loaded. I think an SUV with a tow package would work but we didn't have a great towing experience with our midsized truck (2011 Dodge Dakota). It was fine on flat land but struggled on hills. We ended up upgrading to a half ton (Ram 1500) and it tows great. We put together a video on our tow vehicle experience with this trailer: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/int9i3mLiWyZo6c.html

That's a great idea! Thanks for the suggestion! I think the combination of him growing a few inches and climbing in and out of it more frequently has fixed this problem for us. He (luckily) can now get in and out of the bunk with no problems. I'll definitely keep this in mind though in case the kids ever decide to swap bunks.

No problem! When we purchased we didn't get an inspector but we did bring our parents who have owned trailers and fifth wheels for many decades. I think having more eyes is helpful. We had prepared a list of items to check but since then I've found this list from Jayco which is much more complete: drive.google.com/file/d/1lJlOnpOX2d2S1FEYULf_5HzBZYaTH3fi/view?usp=drivesdk That checklist should give you a good idea of what to look for. In addition to that I would recommend bringing something you can plug into both the 110 outlets and USB outlets to make sure they all work. We brought a nightlight to test the 110 outlet and for the USBs we used some ear buds that had a case that lit as soon as they had power.

We don't have that option but I think you're right. It's my understanding that the extra switch near the door does control the heated tank pads.

I'm looking into buying one. What can I expect to pay out the door.

@@edgrabowski6797 Mine was around $35k

No problem! The counter space is tight but it works out. We use the kitchen table as extra counter space pretty often. It gets pretty cramped when you have dishes drying. We got a collapsible bucket that the dish rack can set in, that way we can put it on the kitchen table to dry without leaking water. That gives us back most of our counter space. We do the majority of our cooking outside so inside we mainly gather ingredients and do prep work. Since we're cooking outside we have the backsplash down on the stove and that gives us enough space to get everything done. I imagine if you cook inside a lot the counter space would be really difficult because we rely on that backsplash area. Every night I have several items I need to clear off the backsplash to get the stove ready for coffee in the morning.

You can install a counter top extension just like the bigger trailers. I have posted the part numbers on the “Jayco Owners Forum”. Which is a great place to read about JayFeatherMicro.

I utilize the table a lot for the "extra" counter space, for me it works fine. My biggest complaint is how far the outlet is for my coffee pot.

Congrats on your new trailer! We use the Furrion Vision S7 cameras (amzn.to/3CcLiyY). We installed them ourselves. The back up camera was plug and play, very simple. The side cameras didn't really have any prep work. They needed to be spliced into the turn signal wiring.

Thank you

No problem!

Glad you enjoyed it! We use a weight distribution hitch but no sway control.

Sway control bar added to a hitch is cheap insurance and a good hitch with built sway control was always my advice. The need for the can happen when you least expect it like, a tire blows out a sudden gust of wind or you have to avoid a hazard in the road. Be safe and have fun

Sounds like good advice. The torsion bars for our WDH help enough with sway that we've had no problems. We also tend to take it pretty slow.

@@RoginaRoaming Yes that is how our second hitch controlled sway and is by far the best way to go..

So happy to hear they helped! And congrats on your new rig! We have taken our trailer with all the mods to a CAT scale. I really need to get a video out about it but until then here's all the info. We took our trailer fully loaded to a CAT scale. We have the 171BH and tow with a Ram 1500 with a weight distribution hitch. The weight was done with 2 adults, 2 kids, and a dog in the tow vehicle. Here's what we had packed in the truck bed: - 2 kid bikes - 2 boxes of firewood -propane fire pit and extra 20 lb propane tank - Blackstone Griddle - Prep Table And in the trailer: -Completely full fresh water tank (55 gallons) - 2 full 20 lb propane tanks -Loaded fridge, freezer, and pantry for 4 day trip - 6 extra gallons of drinking water - Clothes for a family of 4 for 4 days - Standard camping supplies (chairs, camping stove, pans including a cast iron pot, tablecloths, rugs) We also have an upgraded solar setup which adds some weight to our rig: - Extra 190w solar panel (380w total) - 3 Battle Born lithium batteries - Victron MultiPlus 3000 inverter charger Here were our weight results from the CAT scale: photos.app.goo.gl/e2mXk6LoYcfYJYby6 STEER AXLE 3440 LB DRIVE AXLE 3980 LB TRAILER AXLE 4560 LB GROSS 11980 LB Hope that helps! And hopefully I'll get that info into a video someday 😆

@@RoginaRoaming Thanks! We'll be taking delivery on June 19th. So for your weights, did you do the 'part 2' of the weighing process? What I mean is after you've taken those weights you specified (assuming TV and TT were on separate scales) then you would raise the TT off the hitch so that it's full weight was now on the back scale. That would tell you the loaded weight of the TT itself and the tongue weight. So for example, if the weight of the TT now went up to 5000 it would mean that you have a tongue weight of 440, and you would expect to see a 440lbs reduction in the combined steer axle and drive axle weights of the TV. It doesn't seem like a lot of people do this, but our TV will be a Subaru Ascent so I have to pay very close attention to everything weight related.

No we didn't do that. We contemplated going through the effort but after seeing the weights we weren't worried about it. You probably already know this but be careful choosing a hitch for the Ascent. I've heard that Subarus have a solid body that isn't designed to work with a weight distribution hitch. The wdh could damage the body. I'm not sure if this applies to all models or not but seems worth researching.

@@RoginaRoaming Yes, you are 100% correct. An Ascent cannot use a WDH. That applies to all trim lines. This is a big topic on the Ascent owners forum. I'm in the process of ordering an Aluma-Tow hitch. It is an adjustable drop-hitch and lightweight as well.

@@C2ItMultimedia Nice, sounds like a good solution 😁

That's a great idea! Luckily, as he's grown getting into the bunk is no longer an issue.

Glad it helped! The dry weight for our trailer is 4,025 pounds. It can vary depending on the options. The maximum weight is 4,995 pounds. The hitch ball coupler size is 2 5/16".

@@RoginaRoaming Thanks for the great video and all the information that you have shared. I am just curious if you have ever weighed it fully loaded, including water in the tank? I have no idea what amount of CCC is needed and wonder how much extra weight you'd have left over after loading it up.

No problem, so glad they're helping! Things to consider when you're thinking about CCC are water like you mentioned but also upgrades. If you do solar upgrades the weight of batteries and panels can add up. We have weighed our trailer with it packed up as much as possible. I really need to get a video together with this info but since I haven't yet I'll put the details here: We took our trailer fully loaded to a CAT scale. We have the 171BH and tow with a Ram 1500 with a weight distribution hitch. The weight was done with 2 adults, 2 kids, and a dog in the tow vehicle. Here's what we have packed in the truck bed: - 2 kid bikes - 2 boxes of firewood - propane fire pit and extra 20 lb propane tank - Blackstone Griddle - Prep Table And in the trailer: - Completely full fresh water tank (55 gallons) - 2 full 20 lb propane tanks - Loaded fridge, freezer, and pantry for 4 day trip - 6 extra gallons of drinking water - Clothes for family of 4 for 4 days - Standard camping supplies (chairs, camping stove, pans including a cast iron pot, tablecloths, rugs) We also have an upgraded solar setup which adds some weight to our rig: - Extra 190w solar panel (380w total) - 3 Battle Born lithium batteries - Victron MultiPlus 3000 inverter charger Here were our weight results from the CAT scale: photos.app.goo.gl/e2mXk6LoYcfYJYby6 STEER AXLE 3440 LB DRIVE AXLE 3980 LB TRAILER AXLE 4560 LB GROSS 11980 LB Hope that helps! And hopefully I'll get that info into a video someday 😆

No, I'm not sure what the cause was. It has been that way for two years now. It hasn't gotten any worse or caused any leaks though.

Thanks for the tip! We'll look into that.

Sorry to hear that. We haven't had any issues with ours so we haven't even tried to access the bolts.

@@RoginaRoaming Actually, i figured out how to fix it. Pretty simple. For future reference, only to top and the bottom brackets are adjustable, you can do it with a 5/16 wrench. Took me 30 min of tinkering to figure it out. If yours are seated properly maybe a good idea to make sure the 2 bolts on top and bottom are tight.

Good to know! Thanks for figuring it out and sharing the info 😊

It's a Full XL, so it's the length of the queen but not the width. We haven't had any issues with the size of the mattress. We do bring extra pillows to put on the headboard so that extends the length a bit more as well.

@@RoginaRoaming we really enjoyed your review! It’s very honest. I wish more people did these. Thanks so much. I’ll probably ask more questions about it as I think of them.

Thanks for the feedback! And no problem, feel free to ask 😊

Ours didn't come with the adapter either. We show the adapter we purchased in this video: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/o6F4rqtwmWlqz2w.html (and there's a link in that video description of the exact item)

@@RoginaRoaming very helpful, thank you. I appreciate all of your videos. Just took our first trip in this camper and loving it

No problem, glad they helped! And congrats! I'm sure so many more awesome trips are in your future.

Also, you might want to look around the trailer for an adapter. Ours was missing but several people found theirs in the blue bag with the manuals.

@@RoginaRoaming great tip. I found it in there!

Good idea! Thanks for the tip 😊

Thanks! I think a third kid would technically fit underneath but there wouldn't be much headroom. Plus there's no window in that area so I think it would feel too cramped down there. I wouldn't recommend it.

Yeah you're probably right. We've been avoiding taking it in since the dealership is a bit of a drive and we have so many trips already planned. Once our recall parts come in we'll take it in and get everything done at once... Hopefully 🤞

Maybe 20 years ago… now there’s weeks to months of wait. My dealership is backed up for 2-3 months, they don’t accommodate emergencies. Need work done, drop your unit off and leave it. It might be ready in a couple of months, or more.

Hoping that won't be the case with our dealership but that's why we go the DIY route whenever possible. That unfortunately seems to be the norm these days. Sorry to hear you're dealing with that 😞

Dealer and resolved are rarely applicable in today's RV world. The entire industry needs a wake up call. Everyone that I know who's purchased an RV in the last three years is extremely dissapointed in the overall quality and frustrated with the manufacturers and dealers response towards honoring their warranty and wait times. Neighbor purchased a toy hauler almost 2 years ago. Used it for the first summer, found numerous minor issues. Dealer told him with all the delays to start a list. Bring the unit in at the end of the season and they would fix them. Dropped off in October. We're supposed to winterize immediately and then address the punch out list. Customer called first week to get an update. Was told winterization completed and would get to the other issues in the next week or so. Didn't hear back after a month. Called and told that they were waiting on replacement parts for several issues. 4 months later still waiting on parts so they decided to take the unit on a trip south and bring it back when they returned. Here's where it gets ugly. After traveling all day they pulled into a campground to spend the night. Got the unit parked and hooked up. Went to engage the slide on the passenger side and nothing. Checked the connections, then the breakers and still nothing. While they were trouble shooting that the wife asked wheres all this water coming from. Long story short. Winterization was never done. Multiple burst pipes. The slide motor on the passenger side was missing. Canceled trip and turned around next day, took unit back to the dealer and were told they would move them up to the front of the line address it asap. Neighbor called every day for next two weeks. Given the run around. Finally got a call that the parts were still on order for the original issues. What about the missing slide motor and the plumbing issues. Service manager said we don't know anything about that. Neighbor went up to the dealer next day and was told the unit was winterized in the fall as scheduled and that they must have used the water and it froze up on them after they picked it up. Told them it wasn't their responsibility. Same with the slide motor. Their not responsible for theft even in their yard. What's suspicious about the motor is the fact that they were told that they had been on back order for six months so chances are they pulled it off to satisfy another customer. Bottom line, it took another 3 months to resolve the slide issue and plumbing repairs at their cost. Neighbor is suing in small claims. The punch out list grew to over 20 items and the unit is sitting at another dealers lot now. They've decided as soon as they get it back to sell it.

So far there have been two. One for the support for the spare tire and one for the propane regulator.

Yeah that would be nice. We used to store it under the bunks but we didn't really like that. Our dog always sleeps under the bottom bunk and he'd try to squeeze over to the Blackstone to lick it 🤦‍♀️ Plus, storing something that smells like food under our kids in bear country didn't seem like a great idea. So now we just keep it in the back of the truck. We got a carrying case for it and it works out pretty well that way.

@@RoginaRoaming well I just bought the 2023 jay feather micro 171 bhs...wish me luck I hope it's a good camper....and yes unfortunately it came with the solar panel on the roof which I did not want...ugh...I ended up getting it for 29k....which is more than what u paid..but I got 2 ladders 1 for the bunk and one for the roof....lol.....does yours have the azdel fiberglass too

Congrats! That is so exciting! That sounds like a good deal for a 2023. Hopefully the solar doesn't cause any issues, I do understand the concern, but boy do we love our solar setup! For us, the benefits are well worth it, but we primarily dry camp. Anyways, congratulations! Time to book some camp trips 😁

@@RoginaRoaming thanks.....we do a lot of shore power campgrounds and resorts...I have a place that has 72 degree natural spring that I go to a lot that's only 18 dollar's night with free kayak launch....so well worth it I use that 18 bucks a night probably pretty quick with that AC

Nice, that does sound like a great deal and a fun vacation.

That's a good idea, we should do that. Thanks for the tip!

@@RoginaRoaming - I said needle nosed, but I’m thinking any players would work. 👍🏽

As far as I know, no one. I think it's a manufacturing defect. There are other owners with this same trailer and same dent. It hasn't caused any issues. We've had no leaks from it and it hasn't gotten any worse.

It does have a fan in the bathroom. It's small but we've had no issues with it. Here's a picture of it: drive.google.com/file/d/14pySyuSH9s9EOUX49k0uQmwI5riSQSKR/view?usp=drivesdk

Yeah, you're probably right. We're waiting on some recall parts to come in. When we take it in for those we'll ask about the other issues as well.

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😅 What can I say, we're big fans of a good hazy IPA. After we stock the fridge we always add beer to any empty space and always end up bringing way more than we need!

I think the quality for this price range of trailers is pretty common for all manufacturers. It's definitely a different experience than buying a new car but at the end of the day it feels well worth it. We get so much joy from this thing that the issues we've experienced don't seem like a big deal.

It's not perfect but it's my understanding all of the manufacturers have minor issues. For us, the pros far outweigh the cons.

I see your point. Any issue on a new expensive item is upsetting. We weren't as upset as we would have been because we went into the purchase knowing that there will be issues, especially in the beginning. And the issues we had seemed minor, none of them required us to stop using the trailer. We get so much joy out of the trailer and the problems we've had aren't enough to ruin that.

Yeah, that could be. We tend to go the DIY route instead of contacting the dealer so we don't have to miss out on trips.

@@RoginaRoaming you’ll have plenty of time for DIY repairs once the Jayco warranty, expires…

lol good point 😁

I love that idea!

Sorry to hear you've had such a bad experience. We haven't tried to use our warranty yet. We do have a few items for them to look at but we've been waiting about 8 months for recall parts to come in so we can take care of everything at once.

🤣 Yeah, I made him participate because I felt like he should be included, but then I felt a little guilty about it after the intro... So I just did the rest lol. He does do a big chunk in our solar upgrade video. It's mostly just voice but I think he totally redeemed himself 😊 - Wife

@@RoginaRoaming I really liked your info contained in the video!! the likes and dislikes, informative ;)

Thanks!!

I've heard the issues we had were pretty standard across all manufacturers. Though there were some problems, they were all worth it for the enjoyment we've gotten out of the trailer.

@@RoginaRoaming It IS a nice trailer, maybe your review will help them fix some of the bugs. Good job. 👍

Yeah, I think it's pretty common to have issues the first year. The issues we've had have all felt worth it for the amount of happiness we get out of the trailer.

This is our first trailer so I can't say for sure, but I think it's common to run into some issues the first year. The pros definitely outweigh the cons.

Jayco, for the most part builds a pretty solid camper. ANY travel trailer you buy will have some issues. It’s just how it is. If you’re handy most problems can be easily fix.

We don't look at it as a good financial investment. It has brought a ton of joy to our family. The minor issues we've had seem well worth it for us.

Any trailer will have some issues. We are very happy with this one 😊

Sure, but isn't that a good thing? We love this trailer, but if we had to put together a list of issues the first year this was them.

That's definitely an option but we didn't think it would be worth losing out on several months of camping.

Very true! Sadly, I think that is the case for all RV manufacturers. Definitely important to check as much as possible. Even with the issues we absolutely love the trailer.