JCB is moving to hydrogen power for all their big machinery. Here’s why.

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JCB are developing new hydrogen powered engines for their bigger machines that work long hours. I visit JCB to find out why Lord Bamford is backing hydrogen as the fuel of the future for heavy machinery, including agricultural equipment and HGVs.

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@georgespruce6028
@georgespruce6028 Рік тому
Has a school boy i did a project about farm machine,s and JCB sent more items and info than any other company and i have always remembered that with GREAT RESPECT and admiration for JCB.
@honorkemp
@honorkemp Рік тому
Great to know we still have some amazing talent and brilliant industry still here in England .Thank you Lord Bamford
@JM-yx1lm
@JM-yx1lm Рік тому
You have 1 place left.
@wyattfamily8997
@wyattfamily8997 Рік тому
Hope they have security to protect their technology from China.
@piccalillipit9211
@piccalillipit9211 8 місяців тому
YEP - this is what the UK should be doing - leading the way on the tech the world needs for the next 50 years. Not giving out oil and gas licences and hanging onto 100 year old technology
@mybigfatfrog7975
@mybigfatfrog7975 5 місяців тому
@@wyattfamily8997 Toyota is way ahead in the game they are even going for ammonia combustion engines for ships.
@MrRaybrown007
@MrRaybrown007 Місяць тому
​@@wyattfamily8997 if they wanted to save the planet shouldn't they be giving the knowledge away. Global warming is a scam.
@ykdickybill
@ykdickybill 9 місяців тому
🇬🇧As an Englishman, I am so proud of all of you at JCB ! Well done everyone from a humble Yorkshire Electrician 👍
@jamieford9391
@jamieford9391 Місяць тому
Yes Brexit has been a fantastic uplift to the sector🇬🇧
@ashleyobrien4937
@ashleyobrien4937 Рік тому
3:30 Very interesting comment there by Lord Bamford stating that owners would be able to work on repairing the engines just like shop mechanics can, I find that very positive in light of how companies like John Deer go all out to prevent owners from even touching the motor etc.
@gerry343
@gerry343 Рік тому
Thanks Harry, a really interesting video. Hats off to JCB for the progress they've made towards hydrogen powered heavy duty vehicles. Also, credit to the company for maintaining their factories in Britain as well as opening up abroad.
@lynjames4306
@lynjames4306 Рік тому
Excellent video, Hopefully the people who have not Managed to get it working are Watching this !!!!!, Brilliant Engineering form Jcb And the most comprehensive information so far with the Refuelling Shown, This is the most important game changer in modern history, Hopefully Jcb will work with the Australian mining company who have managed to use Diesel and Hydrogen in the combustion chamber with 85% Less Emissions, and Should be Able to be used as a After market Bolt on Kit ,Thanks Sir Anthony Bamford for placing British Products Again Ahead of the competition Amazing progress in a Few years Development, This Technology Should keep my 1963 Jcb 3c Running for the next 60 years 🤣👍
@highlandrab19
@highlandrab19 Рік тому
Give it a few years and theyll shut the uk ones they were never going to close one set and open new ones at the same time
@tikasonar8116
@tikasonar8116 Рік тому
​@@lynjames4306 bond love ft tuj
@ghostrider7688
@ghostrider7688 Рік тому
@@highlandrab19 hope not mate
@robertdarby6553
@robertdarby6553 Рік тому
JCB worldwide manufacturing headquarters... India. Their direction of travel is obvious.
@gplusgplus2286
@gplusgplus2286 Рік тому
JCB is one of the few gems left in British industry.
@travelcampervansandmore
@travelcampervansandmore Рік тому
Certainly British owned.
@gplusgplus2286
@gplusgplus2286 Рік тому
@@travelcampervansandmore and most important private, out of the stock markets. They don't have to please analysts and shareholders every quarter.
@jackiechan8840
@jackiechan8840 Рік тому
A lot of the 360 excavator drivers I talk to think they're shite.
@MitzvosGolem1
@MitzvosGolem1 Рік тому
Made in India..
@zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589
@zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589 Рік тому
@@jackiechan8840 there's always one troll
@gerdriechers8426
@gerdriechers8426 Рік тому
No talking - doing! Its good to see. Thank you JCB and Harry! Please keep on going.
@chuckhenry5487
@chuckhenry5487 Рік тому
This should be mandatory to view by every politician in the world! Excellent thanks to you and JCB
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 2 місяці тому
Yes. It must be mandatory viewing to show politicians how old established companies stuck in the past are just going up a blind alley. JCB is screwed if they do not change course.
@roba4297
@roba4297 Рік тому
Congratulations to JCB for grasping the nettle and developing a replacement engine, and thanks to yourself for producing this video. Excellent.
@fradaja
@fradaja 8 місяців тому
It’ll be their downfall
@ClifftopTragedy
@ClifftopTragedy 2 місяці тому
I hope it works. How much will it cost to keep full with hydrogen though? Petrol and diesel have had a century to mature. Other technologies won't be given as long before being ditched
@jcfallows
@jcfallows Рік тому
Dear Harry please investigate hydrogen production, transportation and storage at the filling stations of the hydrogen. That will be an eye opener!
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 2 місяці тому
Yes. It will demonstrate very clearly why JCB is going up a blind alley and that they will be going the way of the dodo if they don not change.
@wahiba
@wahiba Місяць тому
@@rogerphelps9939 Industrial hydrogen use is at 350 bar which makes it easier to work with than for cars where it is 700 bar plus and often liquid does not take up the same room as gas. JCB have obviously considered the supply side, which for industry is different to domestic. If you want a green fuel for your car get a diesel and use bio fuel (ie cooking oil)
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 Місяць тому
Farmers won't like paying through the nose for this nonsense. Liquid H2 on a farm? No way. JCB are toast.@@wahiba
@wahiba
@wahiba Місяць тому
Toasted in an hydrogen powered toaster? JCB provide mainly industrial plant and it seems to me they have included the Hydrogen supply chain in their calculations. Farmers being more intermittent in their use of power will no doubt use a mixture of electricity and hydrogen. We have been here before; horses to steam, steam to liquid fuel IC. The world did not end then, so why now?@@rogerphelps9939
@LoneWolf731000
@LoneWolf731000 Рік тому
Amazing, very impressive! Almost no limits for great engineering!
@alanfenwick9307
@alanfenwick9307 Рік тому
Brilliant presentation, very informative. Thank you Harry
@thomaswykes3647
@thomaswykes3647 Рік тому
I worked in the same design office as Ryan at Triumph Motorcycles 20+ years ago. I'm very impressed and humbled by how far he's come.
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 2 місяці тому
Still a fossil fuel addict.
@JupiterThunder
@JupiterThunder Місяць тому
Triumph, a misnomer if ever there was one.
@herbierossiter9354
@herbierossiter9354 Рік тому
Well done JCB, and not just some CEO, but the boss himself, that to me says a great deal, he's delighted to show what his team have done, congratulations JCB. Harry as a farmer's son, and an estate manager, I wondered how we would get the grass cut, battery power is just to heavy, I like this system. Thank you for taking the time to show us our future
@GypsyHunter232UK
@GypsyHunter232UK Місяць тому
Richard Hammond has definitely changed the last time we saw him..Thanks Richard very much enjoyed your latest JCB Engine video
@maxzunker4100
@maxzunker4100 Рік тому
Excellent video, I’ve wanted to know about hydrogen fueling for years now, I’m also a farmer and could just not see how I could operate on battery powered tractors, excavators, pumps ect. I’m impressed and now have a more positive outlook for the future of agriculture and pastural businesses, especially here in Queensland , Australia where we have huge tracts of land that need to worked efficiently to produce food for the world market. Go JCB.
@timothyterrell1658
@timothyterrell1658 7 місяців тому
Stay away from hydrogen fueled equipment. The hydrogen is the problem. You can never get around that it is hydrogen. Hydrogen is an explosive... If you don't understand,,put a match on a car battery with the cap off.🤨 It only takes a tiny little bit.💥
@Hogger280
@Hogger280 2 місяці тому
Well, you won't operate any better on H2 than on battery; get your checkbook out because it's going to cost you a lot more to do the same work you did with diesel!!
@quadcoptervision
@quadcoptervision 2 місяці тому
The aim of the banksters is to bankrupt the farmer corporates and seize the land and businesses... And frankly the farmers are playing into their hands as are the corporates......
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 2 місяці тому
you have a very limited imagination if you cannot see how you could operate on battery powered tractors etc. I can assure you that if you actually see a hydrogen powered tractor thew operating costs will shock you. Batteries are the way ahead.
@Banditmanuk
@Banditmanuk Рік тому
Thank you so much for showing us this. Great to see some companies going down this route, electricity & battery technology isn't the answer to everything. I hope JCB prosper developing this tech.
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 2 місяці тому
Hydrogen is not the solution for powering agricultural machinery.
@Banditmanuk
@Banditmanuk 2 місяці тому
@rogerphelps9939 I guess you will always find haters of hydrogen tech as you will with electric. As a former farmer, I find the diesel engine very hard to beat. Hydrogen has to be seriously considered if we aren't going to be able to use diesel in the future. Why not upload a video and explain your reasoning.
@TheTwistedStone
@TheTwistedStone Місяць тому
@@Banditmanuk Plenty of eco alternatives to diesel fuel that will power regular diesel vehicles and some of the newer diesel engines are the cleanest on the planet so why the change ?
@bentheop
@bentheop Рік тому
Great video Harry! I had the chance to spend a week at the JCB test site quarry last summer for work experience and got to try out the hydrogen machines. It's really amazing how much technology has progressed with these engines. I think 2023 is going to be a really exciting year for more developments!
@fishwars5979
@fishwars5979 Рік тому
Yeah like my self cleaning pants .who gives a shit? We won't be around when this if at all becomes the norm.
@seanwalsh4142
@seanwalsh4142 Рік тому
@@fishwars5979 What happens to the shit on your pants? Does the self cleaning feature require more energy to clean than the energy input. Shit stain :Force = Mass x Velocity squared divided by area affected.
@Tim091
@Tim091 Рік тому
JCB could make money selling "Experiences" at the test site quarry!
@patrickchang-leng1073
@patrickchang-leng1073 9 місяців тому
Love your comment, could you advise on how my recently graduated son could get work experience at JCB? The future is looking a lot brighter.
@davidgrover2665
@davidgrover2665 Рік тому
Great video Harry - so good to see this great solution for these types of big heavy hardworking machines. Thank goodness JCB have poured money into this & developed it given the lack of interest & support from UK Gov.
@greencandletraction
@greencandletraction Рік тому
Harry thank you this was fascinating and enlightening. Coming from the haulage background I have long had an inkling that flogging away at batteries for our needs just won't do it for a vast spread of road haulage operations. So I am surprised the major truck manufacturers have not started this push towards Internal Combustion Hydrogen. I think Hydrogen makes people think of fuel cells and thus it becomes very misunderstood. JCB make what they have gone for look easy! Interesting times ahead, keep up the great work on documenting this stuff
@aidan5097
@aidan5097 Рік тому
People used to joke 'hydrogen is the fuel of tomorrow... and it always will be.' It looks like tomorrow is finally arriving - well done Lord Bamford and JCB! Politicians can decide what they like but it will always be real world innovators who shape the future. Great video Harry, exciting times.
@Ingens_Scherz
@Ingens_Scherz Рік тому
I thought that joke was about nuclear fusion reactors, wasn't it? (Not hydrogen.)
@lucylovitt9583
@lucylovitt9583 Рік тому
Politicians do not make decisions - corporations DO! Same the world over
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 Рік тому
Actuallyhysrogen is still the fuel of tomorrow.
@bleydmcfaddin3843
@bleydmcfaddin3843 Рік тому
​​@@Ingens_Scherz it was both bro
@johnarnell4241
@johnarnell4241 Рік тому
Once it gets to one dollar a kilo,the govt will tax it up to five.
@user-es2ju9np9s
@user-es2ju9np9s 12 днів тому
JCB... a jewel in the crown of innovative British industry.
@nickl74
@nickl74 Рік тому
For Africa this is a game changer. JCB through their Raze H2 business (Jo Bamford's business) have a deal with an Aussie firm, Fortescue to establish a supply of friendly Hydrogen (as green as possible). With renewable energy costs falling daily means the costs of H2 production is falling rapidly.
@Stu_2112
@Stu_2112 Рік тому
The future lies in a mix of technologies. No one technology or solution fits all applications.... automotive, agriculture, mass transit, aviation etc. This solution would appear to suit the agriculture application well (unlike battery electric) but the main issue is that you don't just dig a hole in the ground and suck up hydrogen, it's massively energy intensive to produce. So the environmental credentials of each technology/solution is still a challenging problem, just like other technologies. Very interesting though.
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 Рік тому
Who says that hydrogen ICEs are superior to battery electric? The hydrogen infrastructure is not there and they can't even make it work for cars plus the fact that running costs are very high. Just about every farm is connected to the electricity grid and tractors are very rarely in use all night. JCB are backing the wrong horse.
@nephos100
@nephos100 Рік тому
@@rogerphelps9939 Hi Roger. If it can work for large formerly diesel machinery, how come it won't work for cars? I've talked to mechanics who have converted their petrol cars to hydrogen as a hobby project and with an onboard water electrolysis unit! The car made its own hydrogen and powered the car no problem.
@callumcurtis15
@callumcurtis15 4 місяці тому
@@nephos100 🤣🤣🤣 they got you good .
@nephos100
@nephos100 4 місяці тому
@@callumcurtis15 Good one, Callam. Next time provide an argument. Otherwise, just let the adults talk.
@nicholaspostlethwaite9554
@nicholaspostlethwaite9554 2 місяці тому
@@nephos100 It is not that hydrogen 'can not work', but it is not any good, practical. There were hydrogen filling stations set up in several countries including the UK by Shell, they have closed them, another country recently. The only hydrogen that would or will be acceptable is that made from electricity, cleanly. It delivers about a third of the power needed to create it. 4th largest iron ore producer Fortescue tried out big equipment in both Hydrogen and electric power versions and have dumped hydrogen as electric was so much better. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/omefa6eiaoSKkZ8.html covered at about 2;30 in on that.
@hounslowparks2469
@hounslowparks2469 Рік тому
Great innovation from JCB and definitely the right early adoption move for the company to thrive in the market.
@HiberNAT
@HiberNAT Рік тому
A lot of more pressures and more parts, inservicable and expensive
@jukeseyable
@jukeseyable Рік тому
sadly not. hydrogen is a dead end as it requires massive amounts of electricity to make it. there are 3 grades of hydrogen Green blue and brown, the green is as you would expect enviromentally friendly. but the brown and blue come with massive Co2 creation. The brown is made directly from coal
@GoogleAreDumb
@GoogleAreDumb Рік тому
It's grossly more efficient to use the electricity to charge a battery than to produce hydrogen. You need on the order of 5-10x as much electricity to produce the requisite amount of hydrogen, as you would if you'd just charged a battery and used an electric motor. I work with hydrogen in aviation. It has a small number of niche use cases. But it is not viable for cars, heating, and frankly I highly doubt the cost per kWh for agriculture will ever allow this to be adopted by farmers.
@jukeseyable
@jukeseyable Рік тому
@@Daniel-S1 if you had taken the time to read my comments you will see that I clearly state that there are 3 types of hydrogen , green, blue and brown. What you are talking about here is termed green hydrogen. unfortunately it is the least produced version accounting for less than 5% as it is the most expensive of the methords
@jonathancullen1337
@jonathancullen1337 Рік тому
​@@jukeseyableIf you had taken the time to do some proper research you would know that there are many more colours of H2. Pink (nuclear) Grey (Nat. Gas) Black (coal) Brown (Lignite) Blue (Nat. Gas with CCS ie a con job) Green (electrolysis via renewable energy) and even turquoise, yellow and white. Take your pick lol
@richardmosley4549
@richardmosley4549 Рік тому
Thanks Harry - these are some of the best videos you do. Mega hats off to JCB (British and family owned, remember!).
@Neil_Gordon
@Neil_Gordon Рік тому
Fascinating insight into the world of hydrogen powered machines. Really enjoyed watching. Great to see Stanley is back!
@Rob-zx8lm
@Rob-zx8lm Рік тому
Brilliant! JCB, British innovation at it's best. So exciting. Well done Lord Bamford & JCB expertise
@edmundhodgson2572
@edmundhodgson2572 Рік тому
Brilliant. Great British engineering with a confident commitment. Light at the end of the tunnel.
@cepheus7850
@cepheus7850 Рік тому
Harry, please make more videos about this, especially in terms of hydrogen production, transportation, storage, network of places to refill, etc. it feels like these aspects of hydrogen could use more light shined on them.
@tonedeafjd
@tonedeafjd Рік тому
Or you could just watch the Simpsons, same result.
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 Рік тому
Indeed. Then we will see that hydrogen is an expensive folly.
@aidanmcleod8987
@aidanmcleod8987 Місяць тому
Great summary. With any energy ‘solution’ you have to consider the whole back story.
@johnhaynes9910
@johnhaynes9910 Рік тому
Great to see, I remember watching your previous visit to JCB and it is great to see how far they have progressed their development, at least one British manufacturer who gets on with it ! Obviously the fly in the ointment is the production of green hydrogen but I'm totally in agreement with you, the end result will be a 'mixed' solution rather than one size fits all. I have always thought that the emphasis on electric cars which costs ridiculous amounts of money is totally misplaced, we need to tackle the big pollouters who run 12+ hours a day like buses, artics and trains to name a few.
@Wouter-van-der-Molen
@Wouter-van-der-Molen Рік тому
There are plenty of electric busses to choose from on the market already. It just gonna require govts buying and mandating them. my local area has electric busses only and houses Ebusco an electric bus firm selling them like hot cakes.
@gordonlennox4501
@gordonlennox4501 Рік тому
Not to mention supertankers traversing the globe. on a smaller scale the humble motorhomer who could run his hydrogen powered engine, heat and cook his meals all on hydrogen- now that diesel and LPG are becoming extinct.
@johnhaynes9910
@johnhaynes9910 Рік тому
@@Wouter-van-der-Molen And in the UK in the post war era, trolley buses and trams plus in more recent times hydrogen buses which have been around for a time too. I think the main point though is that the future will need several different 'solutions' rather than one. The problem with 'green' hydrogen currently is cost and for battery vehicles, weight and indeed, the very battery technology itself. Perhaps the most interesting vehicle shown was the hydrogen 'tanker' which would take the fuel to the vehicles where they are working, farms and construction sites.
@johnhaynes9910
@johnhaynes9910 Рік тому
@@gordonlennox4501 Absolutely, I was surprised to find how much polution shipping emits :)
@maxtorque2277
@maxtorque2277 Рік тому
Ha, if you think electric cars are "too expensive" i can't wait for you to find out the purchase and runing cost for a Hydrogen one....... ;-)
@edwardtapp1699
@edwardtapp1699 Рік тому
Great video Harry, Great to see a British company at the forefront of hydrogen power.
@Billydevito
@Billydevito Рік тому
11:50 Whilst there is no carbon in the fuel, all internal combustion engines consume a little engine oil during operation. It’s just the way the engine functions. I hope the redesign for hydrogen has incorporated some secret design elements that reduce the oil consumption to virtually zero. JCB is truly a legacy company that the British can be proud of. I wish them all the success 👍
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 Рік тому
It is legacy in the worst sense of the word.
@davidiscostarica6097
@davidiscostarica6097 Місяць тому
They do make biodegradable motor oil, so once H2 motors are everywhere., the demange will increase.
@keithturner3580
@keithturner3580 День тому
Modern engines burn very little of their lubrication oil even at 95000 miles I have yet to need to top up between services.
@user-kr8lx9te7s
@user-kr8lx9te7s 21 годину тому
I have a 3.5 litre car. Wouldn't it be nice if I could retro-fit an hydrogen power plant? Brilliant work JCB and great video Harry.
@Olliegunns
@Olliegunns Рік тому
Great video Harry, you asked all the technical questions many journalists in the construction industry haven’t asked in their visits. And thank you for putting the nox question to them. As an owner of construction plant I am following developments of JCB and hydrogen very closely. Battery tech as it stands just won’t cut it for us
@brushlessmotoring
@brushlessmotoring Рік тому
I'd be curious on some diesel L/hour numbers for different types of equipment, and typical run times for single shifts, when you say batteries wont cut it - nothing will be a drop in replacement for a 350L diesel tank, not hydrogen either, its a crazy amount of energy in a small light easy to handle liquid - a true miracle fuel - but if we are going to move past it, we will need to inconvenience ourselves a little, the question is, how much are willing to adjust our ways? Because if it's "it must be the same as diesel" then you will never get there.
@maxtorque2277
@maxtorque2277 Рік тому
@@brushlessmotoring Doing the maths shows that a battery electric solution isn't actually THAT far away if you can enable battery swapping ie not have to wait to charge batteries on the vehicle itself, which seems eminently possible for large plant machinery 350 litres of diesel at 36.9 MJ/litre is indeed a huge total energy store of 12.9GJ of energy. However an internal combustion engine only turns about 20% of that energy into useful work when run at typical (variable) loads and a hydraulic power transfer system is mono-drectional and again has poor efficiency. Studies in fact show average installed efficiency for industrial hydrualics at just 22%! Even if we generously suggest that for something like an excavator the hydrualics manage 33% efficiency that means the machine actually delivers 774 MJ of work from that 350 litre tank (6% percent efficiency tank to work........) 774MJ could be delivered with a battery electric system of around 860Mj input energy, which is 240 kWh. Yes that's a big battery, but not ridiculously so in terms of mass and bulk when we are talking about heavy plant machinery. (around 1,200 kg / 380 litres of battery). As battery cell costs fall and the operators start to understand the lower running costs of battery electric machinery, i expect these sorts of solutions to rapidly take over.
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 Рік тому
Wrong. He was farr too uncritical. A proper investigator woulf have torn it to shreds.
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 2 місяці тому
He actually dived into the minutiae of something that is pretty conventional and completely ignored rthe massive hydrogen elephants in the room.
@spotontheroad1
@spotontheroad1 Рік тому
Great video Harry. One of the best. Thank god we have people like Lord Bamford and his chaps. I have no doubt they are treading the right path. Great stuff. Keep us updated👍
@johnelliott9415
@johnelliott9415 2 місяці тому
Good job a British company has got its head screwed on and moving forward. Still using the internal combustion engine but now with hydrogen well done. Lord Bamford and the team of engineers great staff.
@jacklav1
@jacklav1 Місяць тому
Fantastic video. I love how enthusiastic and excited the JCB engineers are about the project. At a cost of £15 per litre- at today’s prices hydrogen will cost £150 per day. At £20 per hour + overheads an excavator driver might cost £240. The hydrogen is not insignificant, but it is not going to dominate the cost of doing a job with an off-road vehicle. I can see this being adopted for work in ULEZ zones, and spreading out from there.
@noelstevens6190
@noelstevens6190 Рік тому
Thanks for doing these videos Harry. I'm really interested in what the future holds and I found the first video to be very informative. This one is a great follow-up.
@nicolastardif5039
@nicolastardif5039 Рік тому
Very smart process JCB for designing from the ground up an entirely new engine that performs exactly the same as the older Diesel one! I congratulate you on your efforts to make our future greener and thank you from the bottom of my heart! Also to have thought of creating the vehicule that transports the Hydrogen to the machineries in the field in just brilliant! As an Engineer, I am so glad to see beautiful projects such as these come to light! Bravo!!!
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 Рік тому
JCB will end up like Morgan. An outdated irrelevance shackled to an outdated technology. The future is electric.
@walterrwrush
@walterrwrush Рік тому
When people can buy an electric one, no noise, electric actuators, no hydraulic oil, electricity from any source, why would you bother with all that complicated hydrogen tec slowly eating it own plumbing
@ededmonds8792
@ededmonds8792 2 місяці тому
JCB is doing GREAT work.❤
@mswallow1322
@mswallow1322 Місяць тому
excellent explanation of the tech, and JCB are brilliant (despite Lord B!)
@johnwaga3702
@johnwaga3702 Рік тому
What a fascinating video and congratulations to JCB. The Government needs to pull its finger out and get realistic about its Net Zero goals.
@kayeninetwo3585
@kayeninetwo3585 Рік тому
When I was a kid in the '70's, people talked about hydrogen power, but many of those talking said it wasn't feasible. Nevertheless, it was thought that hydrogen - were it ever to materialize - could possibly be an answer to our biggest energy problems. Now that it's here, however, it sounds like there are still some obstacles to overcome. It will be interesting to see how this develops in the future. Thanks for an educational video.
@MyKharli
@MyKharli Рік тому
Its greenwash bs
@truth.speaker
@truth.speaker Рік тому
Hydrogen is merely an energy storage method Batteries work at 80% efficiency Hydrogen is closer to 30%. Meaning 70% of what you put in is wasted Innovation? Or hype?
@pauljshields123
@pauljshields123 Рік тому
The machine can work 24hrs two 12 shifts...electrical machine is parked up on charge. .
@truth.speaker
@truth.speaker Рік тому
@@pauljshields123 what building site is working 24 hours a day? Remember the infrastructure required to obtain hydrogen, even at ridiculous prices, that takes up lots of room or requires someone to leave site to take the machine to a high pressure filling site. It would be faster and more compact to just have 2 batteries or 2 machines and not need the additional infrastructure. It is also far cheaper. Charging is getting faster. It may be that one day we will be able to run a cable to charge the machine while working or fast charge it during breaks. Or just overnight charge it and use a bigger battery that lasts all day We can already build big batteries. Just stack more on. The technology and infrastructure is already present. So this so called advance that requires massive infrastructure that can't be done locally on site will not work. You can pour money into forcing it to work, but a better manufacturer will say "our machines use half the power and cost one third of our leading competitor. Choose our reliable option that doesn't put out water and rust. It is sealed and works in all weathers. Reliable and very cheap. Doesn't need taking off site to refill once a day, so saves on labour costs, and improves safety with a sealed cell power unit instead of liquid gas. There is no catastrophic risk if punctured." They will get every contract going because their option is so much cheaper, so much easier and so much safer. It doesn't need off site refuelling or require on site distilling plants taking up space, requiring training and massive energy costs, and increased risk and danger. This is not a suitable energy storage medium for building sites. Cars very seldom need driving for 20 hours straight, so even in cars it is unlikely most people would have much use for this new technology. Plus faster charging may one day mean a charge in minutes. It's not far off that already.
@Simon-dm8zv
@Simon-dm8zv Рік тому
@@truth.speaker Hydrogen in combustion engines is even worse than that 30%.
@honorharrington4546
@honorharrington4546 Рік тому
Imagine this, it's 11:00 pm on December 24th. You're 300 miles from home sitting in a Mall parking lot with nothing open for over a mile away. Only one spot at the charging station is working and it is SLOW, no fast charging available. It's going to get down to -20f tonight and your Heater is using 70% of the chargers output. You know the range of your vehicle is cut almost in half because of the temps and it will be morning before you get to 80% charge. You will need to charge two more times before you get home...hopefully before dark. Now, aren't you glad you're saving the planet and driving an electric vehicle! Thank You, Lord Bamford for giving us more options and Thank You, Harry for covering this technology.
@BillyBob-ri9pm
@BillyBob-ri9pm 17 днів тому
Norway with almost 50% EV uptake now. Plus Sweden, Denmark and Finland with major electric vehicle uptake too, these have the highest uptake in Europe. But of course these are all countries with VERY warm climates.... just stop with the ICE disinformation it's getting boring now.
@honorharrington4546
@honorharrington4546 17 днів тому
@@BillyBob-ri9pm You can lead a man to water but you can't make him think. Ask any Ford dealer about all those F150 Lightnings that they can't keep in stock. Ask any Fire Department about how they are going to handle a Thermal Runaway Event caused by an EV accident or event... and what the health effects are going to be for the local population. It's not disinformation when it ca be backed op by international news reports!
@allanrobson7242
@allanrobson7242 Рік тому
What an excellent and very informative video, Harry. It's great for JCB to allow you to share this excellent technology. it looks like a better system to battery power.
@gwpee1727
@gwpee1727 Рік тому
As someone who works for a company that converts trucks, we are currently struggling to go battery electric, for our specific application. Battery technology just isn't good enough, at present. We do convert CNG powered trucks, but they also have issues with range/hours in use. I just wonder if Hydrogen is much better. Hydrogen at high pressure is a bit worrying, if things go wrong , a road crash for example. Another problem is making hydrogen, its energy intensive. We'll see if anyone else in the construction/agri world( John Deere, Caterpillar etc) goes down this route.
@caterthun4853
@caterthun4853 Рік тому
Also the early hydrogen engines needed very clean air which resulted in frequent filter changes.
@backacheache
@backacheache Рік тому
@@caterthun4853 that was the fuel cell type, combustion engines like these aren't as fussy making them better for construction, farming, marine, etc.
@backacheache
@backacheache Рік тому
By thier nature, In a destructive situation the carbon-fibre tanks rip open (rather than go bang) and then the gas fly's away rather than be an ignition risk (as petrol would be)
@rohansprenger6902
@rohansprenger6902 Рік тому
@@backacheache at 350x atmospheric pressure, I'd rather not be anywhere near it if it "rips open".
@rkan2
@rkan2 Рік тому
@@rohansprenger6902 CNG is already 200-300.. Don't do steel tanks boys - there are a lot of videos of 10 year old cars making quite the havoc! (Most of them are just rusted out tanks that were supposed to be replaced already). Carbon fiber tanks should probably last 2-3 times that.
@markfletcher8040
@markfletcher8040 Рік тому
Congratulations to Lord Bamford, for the foresight into using hydrogen. And the engineers at JCB in making it work. Great program Harry
@edspencer7121
@edspencer7121 Рік тому
It would be a safe bet that within 1, possibly 2 generations, a fair amount of the world could go into hydrogen power. Unfortunately, I won't be around to witness that. Except for videos like this. Thank you for sharing.
@MitzvosGolem1
@MitzvosGolem1 Рік тому
I have a JCB backhoe 214 excellent Allis Chalmers had a hydrogen fuel cell farm tractor experiment in 1954. Excellent 👍 Cheers
@butlerpa100
@butlerpa100 Рік тому
Lord Bamford. A forward thinking man. Respect
@johannwiseman5317
@johannwiseman5317 Рік тому
Thanks Harry good video, good to get some answers on the high Nox question and nice solution they have gone for lower firing temperature. One thing to keep in mind though, especially for mainstream products (cars) using high volumes of hydrogen would become problematic as the complete cycle efficiency from green energy to hydrogen makes it non competitive vs battery. Green energy converted into kinetic energy through a motor (~95% efficiency) and battery losses take to you say 80% efficiency. However, converting green energy to hydrogen through electrolysis 75%, then combustion at 40% gets you to 30% cycle efficiency before you have taken into account compression losses to pump it to high pressures. Happy to educate you more if you are interested!
@backacheache
@backacheache Рік тому
Your right, the maths don't work out for cars but for construction and marine these could be a game-changer.
@raymondj8768
@raymondj8768 9 місяців тому
Really Really Great video that was a wealth of information but ill tell you one thing ill miss that Beautiful Diesel Rattle lol thank you mr Harry !!!
@KevinBower-gy5be
@KevinBower-gy5be 4 місяці тому
Sir Anthony Bamford. A true captain of industry.
@stuwilsonrallying
@stuwilsonrallying Рік тому
Great progress from JCB, hopefully other manufacturers will take it up to, especially the truck industry. Fantastic video keep this kind of content coming
@allenbutcher5848
@allenbutcher5848 Рік тому
Great video, Harry, and a good follow up to your July 2021 video. It is so disappointing that the British Government seems to be totally focused on electric as the only solution to meeting zero emissions in spite of all its well recognised shortcomings. Maybe we should all be writing to our MPs to wake them up to alternatives such as this one you have highlighted here. Keep this stuff coming!
@flipperth1
@flipperth1 Рік тому
The government are a waste of space. They’re only looking out for themselves - it’s got to be up to industry (and companies like JCB) to sort this out. Just have to sort out hydrogen infrastructure.
@caterthun4853
@caterthun4853 Рік тому
Also they seem to believe against the expert opinion that hydrogen will replace domestic gas boilers and hobs. Hydrogen is a difficult gas to contain and pipework in ground just not practical. Also problem of nox being produced in kitchens
@tonys1636
@tonys1636 Рік тому
@@caterthun4853 Biogas answers that its Methane (natural gas) produced by a biodigester fed with food and animal waste. Not only producing gas but high quality natural (odour free) fertiliser/compost as well. No more complaining neighbours to the farmer next door for slurry/muck heap spreading. Already producing it here and feeding it into the gas network.
@brushlessmotoring
@brushlessmotoring Рік тому
@@caterthun4853 can you clarify your statement? I think you missed a 'not' somewhere. Electric cooking is the way to go. Combusting piped hydrogen in the home would be nuts.
@backacheache
@backacheache Рік тому
@@brushlessmotoring He's referring to biomethane where you clean-up the methane coming from a digester and pump it into the mains-gas network, however looking at it purely from a financial perspective it makes more sense to use the dirty methane in a compatible generator rather than spending money on cleaning it up to mains-gas standards. One answer though is to use a cleaner feedstock in the digester such as grass (which in turn can be fed by the compost left over)
@richardlove4287
@richardlove4287 8 місяців тому
Great stuff…I’ve been calling for hydrogen for years now, glad to see some of the big lads getting it right.
@mu8554
@mu8554 Рік тому
Fantastic-This country does still matter and this work by JCB proves that-simply fantastic...
@TheJohn8765
@TheJohn8765 Рік тому
Great to see more of your content on alternative fuels, Harry. I'm still not sold on the infrastructure and production sides of H for fuel (tho it's promising), but, moving forward, we obviously need to move to a carbon neutral setup yet the industrial and commercial sides of that is immense and doesn't get much press coverage .... Good on you for continuing to do so.
@AG-ie7nt
@AG-ie7nt Рік тому
Obvious? ... I think not. The sun drives our climate and the warmer the oceans the more Co2 is produced. We are helping the planet the more Co2 we produce, we are at 400ppm at the moment so dangerously close to the 120ppm which is the death of plants... DEATH OF PLANTS!!!! 4000ppm is when there is abundant life. Don't be fooled by the people that push climate lies, they just want to tax you. But at the current rate of oil usage we only have around 300 years... so no rush to find alternatives. You listen to controlled media... LIES LIES LIES Of coarse you won't listen because you have been hypnotised by the constant bombardment..
@grahamebennett3875
@grahamebennett3875 8 місяців тому
We don’t need to move away from Co2 . Ppm is only just 250 ppm over the death of plant life. We need more Co2 not less.
@joeseels
@joeseels Рік тому
Really interesting video Harry! Hydrogen seems an easier shift, than the use of batteries for our bigger kit 😊
@backacheache
@backacheache Рік тому
Yes, hydrogen for jcb's upwards and battery's for everything else
@Louisa93able
@Louisa93able Рік тому
Thanks Harry; congratulations to JCB, but without your presentation people like me would not know about it.
@marckenny3131
@marckenny3131 Рік тому
Hat off to JCB paving the way forward, much respect 🙏👌
@henryhealy
@henryhealy Рік тому
Fantastic video Harry. This is fascinating and hats off to JCB for their work on this. Realistically, this seems like the future rather than batteries and EVs.
@oldretireddude
@oldretireddude Рік тому
I love this, but no one talks about the loss of hydrogen while the equipment is unused, due to the pressure tank needing to relieve pressure as the tank warms up.
@johnhebenton1525
@johnhebenton1525 Рік тому
it's just the angel's share, works wonders for Whisky. Vintage Hydrogen anyone?
@0skar9193
@0skar9193 2 місяці тому
As systems are refined the small problems will be resolved. Everyone slating hydrogen are the same as people slating electric vehicles 10 years ago. Conventional ICE engines are safer & more efficient than they were 10 years ago. Investment drives innovation.
@michaeldonohoe621
@michaeldonohoe621 Рік тому
Lord Bamford is a inspiration a innovator. The UK 🇬🇧 should be very proud of this representative of forward thinking. JCB is a world 🌎 market leader 👏 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧😊👌
@daveb2wright
@daveb2wright Рік тому
Whoever designed the hydrogen bowser must have been brought up in the seventies watching Space 1999. :-)
@HotAxleBox
@HotAxleBox Рік тому
This is an excellent video, as a diesel engineer im watching the hydrogen world with a keen eye. I do wonder what the crash protection of the storage tanks is like, 350bar is a huge amount of pressure to let go. The huge RPM of the turbocharger makes me wonder if that's a single point of failure.
@kawasakikev8905
@kawasakikev8905 Рік тому
some turbos already spin at 280,000 in petrol engines , Diesels spin slower ,i think what they have achieved is a turbo that spins very quickly at low engine revs but not a turbo that spins any faster than a petrol turbo .
@lipsee100
@lipsee100 Рік тому
I think you have probably seen a turbo glowing red/white hot and still run reliably ,I think a few revs will not do any harm. Also I have drove gas Scania,s with carbon tanks on the sides with no issues.
@kevinashurst634
@kevinashurst634 Рік тому
It takes 50 kWh of electricity to produce 1kg of hydrogen from pure water.
@wibblywobblyworldofboats6254
@wibblywobblyworldofboats6254 Рік тому
On that basis a hydrogen vehicle is about as energy efficient as an electric vehicle.
@kevinashurst634
@kevinashurst634 Рік тому
@@wibblywobblyworldofboats6254 err no. a hydrogen car will go about 60 miles on 1kg of hydrogen, A modern electric car will go about 180 miles on 50 kWh.
@wibblywobblyworldofboats6254
@wibblywobblyworldofboats6254 Рік тому
@@kevinashurst634 do your research a little more thoroughly and I think you will come to a different conclusion 🧐
@kevinashurst634
@kevinashurst634 Рік тому
@@wibblywobblyworldofboats6254 I have, please explain how a hydrogen car is as efficient as an EV?
@wibblywobblyworldofboats6254
@wibblywobblyworldofboats6254 Рік тому
@@kevinashurst634 it's plainly obvious that you're working from figures that have been pulled from the first page of Google. 🙈 I give up.
@thomasmarshall586
@thomasmarshall586 Рік тому
Well done Harry excellent report on JCB s hydrogen engines really interesting & imformivitive 👌
@benpattinson1
@benpattinson1 Рік тому
Absolutely superb work from JCB Harry. And thank you for that insightful video.
@WilliamStevens007
@WilliamStevens007 Рік тому
That almost sounds like a diesel engine to me. Going to be interesting to see this develop.
@simonyapp
@simonyapp Рік тому
I worry about the storage of Hydrogen as it is kept around 350 > 700 Bar. I foresee nasty tank explosions in the early days of this gas being deployed on sites and farms. You're a brave man standing that close to the tanks. I agree charging battery-based building site or farm machines in remote areas is not going to work in many cases. But we must not forget that once you produce this gas, compress it, transport it, and burn it in an engine, you only get around 28% of the energy you put in at the start. So everything we can electrify we should for sure before reaching for Hydrogen. I agree for some long lorry/truck trips that have to be over 400 miles or long-distance shipping, then Hydrogen is one of the only options. But there are plenty of lorry routes under 400 miles where an electric truck will work fine. The Regen braking on a battery lorry will re-capture up to 20% of the energy on a typical run and do over 90% of the stopping work, whereas a Hydrogen lorry would need to apply the old style brakes, which need replacing just like diesel trucks, thus still generating brake dust. I am sad, Harry, that you dismissed the work of Tesla, and the Tesla Semi, a large full truck capable of up to 425 miles at full load (37 tons). This could replace many routes in the UK and is 90% more efficient than any Hydrogen truck can ever be. Also, engines that burn fuel or gas still need oil changes and new parts as you found out, producing parts has a carbon impact at every service interval. Electric motors do not, and the battery can be recycled at the end of its life. As you say, it needs to be a multi-pronged approach. Thanks for the video and for getting us debating.
@Hazellh
@Hazellh Рік тому
Great to see another person flagging the Hydrogen Hierarchy- its uses should be limited to specific industries due to its incredibly inefficient production.
@masaukochitsamba7808
@masaukochitsamba7808 Рік тому
Batteries may be viable for small vehicles and even trucks, as you have pointed out with your example of a Tesla semis, I just don't see them replacing diesel engines in the huge machines used in constructions and the mining industry. Unless geniuses out there come up with a light batteries, diesel will still be the energy source for heavy duty works and if governments ban diesel then hydrogen may become a viable alternative. The fact that the tesla semi is still not yet in production four or five years after Musk showed it off to the public says it all really. I will be convinced of its viability once I see a tesla semi pull 30 tons and achieve range greater than 700 miles.
@jimbaumann6579
@jimbaumann6579 Рік тому
You’re delusional if you think electric equipment & batteries won’t require maintenance or replacement
@lipsee100
@lipsee100 Рік тому
I agree a multi approach,,, and I can see why you would be hesitant about Hydrogen tanks, but have you thought about the fire hazard of the kind of battery being proposed for a 40ton truck.. If that battery self ignites it will be weeks before it can be put out.. No there is no easy solution,and EVs are certainly not the all in one option.
@lucylovitt9583
@lucylovitt9583 Рік тому
@@masaukochitsamba7808 Mines started changing to electric machinery in late 21 - one of the huge advantages: no exhaust fumes in underground tunnels..
@Drillmechanic
@Drillmechanic 11 місяців тому
JCB, Toyota, Cummins keep on moving further 👍
@corsair919
@corsair919 Рік тому
I have visited JCB what an amazing company and Lord Bamford is an amazing man.
@Jhcx1
@Jhcx1 Рік тому
Very exciting. Im delighted to see such a big company is pushing for this technology. it wont be today or tomorrow that we will see it perfect but you have got to start somewhere. Just like the first ICE engines they weren't perfect and took awhile to get to where they re today. please bring more videos like this. Loved watching this.
@SlipShodBob
@SlipShodBob Рік тому
On a tour of the Cummings factory 20 years ago they said that they believed if an engineer could come up with a commercially viable method for storing gas in a similar volume as diesel in a compact size they would be billionaires. It is certainly an interesting direction along with the CNH methane engines it will be interesting to see the true viability in the sector as a lot is certainly going to depend on infrastructure especially given how a lot of locals view planning applications for such things .
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 Рік тому
Storin g high pressure hydrogen is an expensive and dangerous business. That is why hydrogen has not caught on in cars and won't catch on in tractors either.
@the_lost_navigator7266
@the_lost_navigator7266 Рік тому
Cummins are already building Hydrogen engines too. Interesting to see it develop.
@blueocean2510
@blueocean2510 Рік тому
Dacia have Duel Fuel, LPG & petrol. The LPG tank is fitted in space for spare wheel. LPG is good value and gives good mileage.
@davidjermy2524
@davidjermy2524 2 місяці тому
Brilliant video Harry. So interesting. I've said for a long time hydrogen is the future. Good for Farmers and environmental.
@barrygee561
@barrygee561 Рік тому
This is a super interesting video and congratulations to JCB for their hard work. I am in Australia and would like to see you develop in Australia as well. Well done Harry
@vidarsten-halvorsen8748
@vidarsten-halvorsen8748 Рік тому
Great video, and great efforts by JCB. Could be interesting to learn more about the efficiency comparisons with Fuel Cells. Historically FuelCells have been more efficient. As a side note it is interesting to see that the drive to hydrogen in Construction Industry is driven by Historic Racing entusiast Lord Bamford. Our company Applied Hydrogen doing similar work but with Fuel Cells are also run by Historic Motorsport enthusiasts. We bring the world forward with our passion.
@warwickritch
@warwickritch Рік тому
I really enjoyed this. This sounds really promising and I hope this can find its way into all sorts of vehicles. EV, hydrogen and alternative fuels is a well rounded approach to sorting the issue.
@pauljshields123
@pauljshields123 Рік тому
Brilliant Britain 🇬🇧... This is how you do it...let's have more positive...👍
@jasone205
@jasone205 Рік тому
I can't help feeling this could all go very wrong and bankrupt JCB. It's a high risk strategy and I hope it works out.
@Toby_the_Glen
@Toby_the_Glen Рік тому
Big investors have decided that electric will be out future. Because they can make so much money out of it!
@rjhtrucking5429
@rjhtrucking5429 Рік тому
This country, like all western nations is already bankrupt. I don't think jcb will go bankrupt though, as the jcb plant in India can continue to manufacture derv power plants and trade with the new emerging markets in the east , collectively known as " Brics". Unfortunately the site at uttoxeter would have to close ! Of course this could be avoided if net zero was abolished , it is after all a , Teresa May initiative.
@0skar9193
@0skar9193 2 місяці тому
Hugh risk high reward. Its ballsy but true innovators have big ones!
@Discoworx
@Discoworx Місяць тому
Don't see it being such a huge risk. It's not like a whole new line has been set up.
@nickwebb9290
@nickwebb9290 Рік тому
A superb post there Harry. It strikes me again having watched the previous video two years ago that Lord Bamford is an amazing chap. I really hope all JCB’s R&D efforts can win the day commercially. I do have my concerns about Hydrogen production but hopefully they know something that we don’t. Fingers crossed that if there’s a Part 3 to this story that the final outcome is a good one
@lucylovitt9583
@lucylovitt9583 Рік тому
30.000 farms and temporary building sites putting in hydrogen storage and safety facilities.....you really think that's viable?
@StevenLangdale
@StevenLangdale Рік тому
It won't win. Hydrogen combustion engines are about 20-25% efficient. Hydrogen fuel cell engines, anywhere between 40-60%. Only one technology will prevail.
@nickwebb9290
@nickwebb9290 Рік тому
@@StevenLangdale You’d better get in touch and tell JCB then, it’s no good telling me
@marcvivier4887
@marcvivier4887 Місяць тому
Thank you for a well presented and informative video! 🎉😊
@choppermarc2342
@choppermarc2342 Рік тому
Loved the video. Thank you Harry JCB and the pooch.
@Nuts-Bolts
@Nuts-Bolts Рік тому
How are they avoiding the steel suffering hydrogen embrittlement?
@digitalimager4946
@digitalimager4946 Рік тому
Don't be silly.
@GreenJimll
@GreenJimll Рік тому
Good question. I asked similar at a talk with Reaction Engines some years ago (they're aiming for hypersonic hydrogen fueled air/space craft). The answer I got was the embrittlement is worse with pure hydrogen but having some impurities in the hydrogen feed can reduce/prevent embrittlement (ISTR they said oxygen in the mix, but it was a long time ago now). I think the embrittlement is also worse at/near room temperature, so might be less of an issue for a rocket engine where the hydrogen is either cryogenic or very hot, but might be more of an issue long term in heavy plant such as this. Be interesting to hear how they've designed it out and/or what the long term failure rate of the engines will be.
@quentinnewark2745
@quentinnewark2745 Рік тому
@@digitalimager4946 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_embrittlement
@OpticalMan
@OpticalMan Рік тому
You have to remember that Green Hydrogen is not a source of energy, unlike the grey Hydrogen that is currently used by JCB. Green Hydrogen is just a means of storing energy just like a battery. You start with electrical energy, throw away 25% of it to convert water to Hydrogren, then throw away 10% to compress it, throw more away transporting it on a tanker to a filling station. Throw more of it away to compress it in to the to the vehicles tanks. Finally if using an internal combustion engine throw 50% of it away as waste heat. Probably the energy losses could be justified for some applications (like aviation) but the infrastructure to distribute it is more of a problem. We can't put more than 10% hydrogen in to our current gas network because it will embrittle the plastic pipes. I can't see the country being able to afford to double up our gas network with a hydrogen network even if we just connect filling stations. This is because Hydrogen is really difficult to pipe because it leaks out through conventional gas joints and you can't use conventional plastic pipes which would make a hydrogen pipe network more than double the cost of an CNG network. As a result it is always going to have to be transported by tanker. However Hydrogen compressed to very high 700bar takes up 6 times the amount of volume for the same energy as petrol and liquifying it which takes a lot of energy only reduces this to 4 times the volume. Consequently you are going to need 6x the number of fuel tankers to transport it. Although I would love Hydrogen to be a competitor to battery technology I just can't see it happening on a wide scale.
@jonnybloggs6790
@jonnybloggs6790 Рік тому
Absolutely fantastic brake down of it all buddy 👌 they have also forgot to mention the massive fire and explosion effects if these goes up In fire 🔥..to me it would make more sense to have a technology that extracts the carbon from the diesel before it even gets to the farm ..as the saying goes you can’t get more out than you put in .. it’s all about balance
@markclark4154
@markclark4154 Рік тому
Unfortunately using this grey hydrogen release’s more CO2 than burning the CH4 in the engine directly. To produce 1kg of hydrogen by electrolysis requires 50 kWh of electricity and 9 litres of water. That over 9 pounds just for the electricity alone. Then it still needs to be compressed and transported. One pound per kg is not going to happen.😢
@kawasakikev8905
@kawasakikev8905 Рік тому
@@jonnybloggs6790 they also forgot to mention the fire and explosion possibilities with battery vehicles , it doesn't take much to find a video showing what happens when one of those " green " solutions goes wrong
@oakfieldfarm4131
@oakfieldfarm4131 Рік тому
Good points, well made. Thanks.
@nickbea3443
@nickbea3443 Рік тому
@@kawasakikev8905 Any source of concentrated energy has a fire/ explosion risk. Why are you equating only green solutions having this happen? They aren't portrayed as being any safer. Never seen an old fashioned petroleum fuelled vehicle on fire?
@julaingallimore7152
@julaingallimore7152 Рік тому
,, The Smith family members will love driving these around the Huge Bamford Family Estate ,,
@performancedownunder5773
@performancedownunder5773 Рік тому
Absolutely brilliant video Harry, thanks for that.
@jamesgee3616
@jamesgee3616 Рік тому
Really love the video Harry, and the eagerness to learn about modern tech, and show it to us!. Going to get a lot of hate for this one, but I really want to be convinced hydrogen is better than BEV, especially for these applications, but unfortunately the physics of hydrogen really isn't working in my brain. I'm not blinded by the electric/diesel/hydrogen side of the fence, but you really can't beat the numbers, and ultimately consumers will buy what's cheapest to run, and what is the best experience. Off the napkin maths from their H2 numbers seems to suggest that the first tractor shown only uses about 250kWh a day worth of Hydrogen? In that size of machinery, 250kWh worth of battery capacity is child's play... and that's on current chemistry not future. Of course that may not be possible to charge overnight in all locations, and whilst most locations could, the same 'diesel bowser' approach applies, where a MWh scale battery can be located to site in exactly the same way, at a MUCH lower unit cost. We already use high-power feeds for sites in most examples anyway, so the work is almost already done for us. For every 1 tanker of diesel delivered now, you'd need 6 of them for hydrogen because of its energy density - that sounds like a lot of disruption to me for no cost benefit. The reason BEVs have won over H2 in cars are because they provide a superior user experience, not because they're green. Whether that's the experience of the drivetrain or the cost of operation. To me, JCB bragging that this will be indistinguishable from a diesel experience is their biggest problem, there's absolutely no incentive for the user to move other than the flamboyant choice of paint colour. The fundamental vehicle architecture needs to change to take full advantage of each fuel type (like where ground-up BEVs are much, much better than ICE conversions, so same goes here - they should look completely different to conventional designs), and since the user experience with H2 isn't better, and for it to be sustainable all H2 must come from renewable energy anyway, physics is screaming for us to cut out the useless middleman. The promise of green H2 really does feel like the gateway to blue/grey H2 which is just burning gas - bringing us back to square 1 (I fear this is the idea all along anyway). I understand that JCB want to reuse as much of their sunk capital in diesel development as possible, which makes sense for their business, but in terms of the technology it's just all wrong. I think the bottom line is that for every 1 wind turbine or solar panel needed to power BEV machinery, there needs to be 2 or 3 for H2, that means at least double the land use, double the capital investment, and double the unit cost for the same output. That seems to be the fundamental floor that H2 can never overcome. Whilst we need to explore every new technology to reduce our impact, like this one, it needs to be better and cheaper for the user, and if it's not it's time to move to the next. The numbers don't lie, and the market will weed out the worst technologies either way...
@GoogleAreDumb
@GoogleAreDumb Рік тому
Yep. I'm working on hydrogen for aviation applications at the moment, and for that specific use case hydrogen makes more sense than batteries for the foreseeable future. But that's due to a set of challenges that don't apply for ground vehicles. Maybe these bits of heavy machinery are a borderline case with current battery tech, I imagine JCB have run the numbers and won't argue with them! But I can't see that lasting long term. Hydrogen cars and hydrogen for home heating are totally impractical, and always will be. It just isn't going to happen, batteries and heat pumps are going to win because they're superior in every way, especially with developments currently coming down the pipe for batteries. I'm a proponent of hydrogen in the small number of applications where it makes sense. But a lot of time and money is being wasted around the world working on sticking hydrogen in places it has no business being, because it's an easy way to extract money from powerful people who buy into the marketing and don't understand the reality behind it all.
@brushlessmotoring
@brushlessmotoring Рік тому
@@GoogleAreDumb Well said - both you and James - spot on. It is indeed about digging for subsidies, not subsidizing diggers.
@maxtorque2277
@maxtorque2277 Рік тому
@@brushlessmotoring i love that line ^^ can i steal it for a presentation i need to do next week?? ;-)
@maxtorque2277
@maxtorque2277 Рік тому
JCB claim "batteries don't work for heavy plant" but it just doesn't wash with me, there are three main drawbacks compared to existing ICE solutions: 1) they claim weight is an issue - why then do things like 360 excavators, quarry trucks, tractors and dozzers all carry extra mass in the form of huge cast iron counter/balance weights? Just replace those with the batteries? 2) Recharging times - simply make the battery pack demountable. Pretty easy on a large heavy plant machine, when it's flat just go pick up a full one, the packs can be charged off the vehicle if that vehicle needs to work 24/7 3) cost - this is really the true reason. If you already have a logistics and supply chain to support the ICE powertrain, then yes, it is indeed expensive to replace that with one for batteries and motors. However those costs are falling markedy. Most OEM passcar studies suggest cost parity (at volume equivalence) within a couple of years. There is also the not inconsiderable potential (sic) for EOL battery sales to recoup significant proportion of the inital battery cost for second life applications (a worn out diesel engine worth just scrap value, a worn out battery still has significant value)
@brushlessmotoring
@brushlessmotoring Рік тому
@@maxtorque2277 more than welcome to nick that one :) is your presentation public? Do share.
@richardallsop5039
@richardallsop5039 Рік тому
Hello Again, Well Harry this really just shows what a company (JCB) can do when the owner wants to make changes, brilliant, very impressive and well explained. Regards, RichardA.
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 2 місяці тому
Bamford is deluded if he thinks hydrogen is the future.
@andrewbaker8373
@andrewbaker8373 Рік тому
Truly educational. Comprehensive breakdown of the how's . TY
@IngramCars
@IngramCars Рік тому
Frigging amazing. Awesome. The future is exciting for ICE vehicles.
@smurf9857
@smurf9857 Рік тому
Very interesting! Kudos to JCB for making the investment and sharing it with you. Perhaps a fuel for the bigger family cars as well in the future?
@agronorth2640
@agronorth2640 Рік тому
Very interesting video Harry! Fantastic to see how fast their progress has been going. But I think batteries biggest advantage over hydrogen is still the price. it's just so much cheaper and most of the problems with long charging can be done with battery swap or fast charging. Anyway its great either way which will be used :)
@bru512
@bru512 Рік тому
Can you provide a reference on your "Cheaper" claim?
@agronorth2640
@agronorth2640 Рік тому
@@bru512 Sure. it will depend on different markets. but with batteries charged from solar/wind directly it is about 3 cents or less. from the grid it would be between 10 and 20 cents(depending on where). batteries will have a cost of about 2-10 cents over lifetime. so with this its is between 2-5 times cheaper than diesel or hydrogen at its current state
@agronorth2640
@agronorth2640 Рік тому
and even with only fast charging its still cheaper at about 3-5 cents per kwh
@simonhenry7867
@simonhenry7867 Рік тому
​@@bru512 a 3 pin cost about £100 to put in. The cheapest hydrogen fuel pump is about $2000000 And you can't really drop the price per mile below £0.15 per mile, (if fuel was free)
@jameslindley924
@jameslindley924 Рік тому
This is a Real Big Feather in the Cap of ""British Engineering"" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gives a Feeling of Pride !!!!!! Good On Ya JCB and Sir Bamford and All the Team. Though i believe CAT has a Hydro engine for many years
@Spoon-vy9jz
@Spoon-vy9jz Рік тому
This is the best vid you have done so far Harry. Well done to you and even more so to JCB.
@jncg2311
@jncg2311 Рік тому
Working on the edge of the development of bio-hydrogen technologies, it's great to see the other end of the hydrogen fuel system so well developed - this will push others in the sector significantly I hope. Really good video, thank you.
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