Underrated fucking comment

I didnt know of Vinnie Paz until I heard the song he made about the disorder i have.

no

don eladio is a dope song

And Stoop and Hologram

voteZDLR Joes posted shit on Twitter about AOTP when he working out The Rock is a fan too

Same here. Plus him listing the rap he listens to. He could DJ and I'd go to that party

Hell yeah

Sure, it's a miracle that a podcast interviewer on his 1174th episode would know who a celebrity he has as a guest is.

He also has an interview with Immortal Tech

IN HISTORY

Yeah each member solo shit stand on its own just like wu members. Its a true supergroup

Prefer Jedi Mind Tricks

@@rosswhitehill3207 both have same features. Its like a puzzle piece. Curtain rappers are good at curtain pieces where you need some raw raps and they may need to fill a coris spot. Vinnie started both but if you like one you have to atleast like a few songs from the other.

Big facts...esoteric,apathy,straight heat 🔥

😂😂😂 Spot On bruh, you win today!

Omg he does lol why you gotta cap on Pistol Pazzi

@Matt Tinkelman you know Vinnie Paz?

YOOOOOO! :) That is fucking funn-EEE!

😆

Jay Baker grunt rap

Downs rap

@@humphreysmiggens3881 already been done with master pee and DMX

This is exactly what has been happening for generations lmfao and will continue 2

Hardcore emo metal rap with substance lyrically

I like Vinnie Paz’s music, but if you listened to more than 2 songs, you would know that’s not true

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@Jeremy Backman on a serious note icp are very educated in music and what they do in life. Itd be an amazing interview

Icp are genius. Been a juggalo a long time and they are smart business men. They literally have their own culture and helped make horrorcore mainstream and a successful genre of music.

God damn right

@Jeremy Backman Now that interview i would interested in seeing . As much as people wanna hate on them they tapped into a market that most wouldn't have even thought about and made a career out of it .Been a die hard ICP fan for years and they have earned the respect of a lot of die hard fans . They haven't done much lately but still legends in my book .

@Jeremy Backman Wouldn't mind seeing that interview myself . they're now considered legends in the hip hop community which is kinda funny cause in the beginning hip hop wouldn't even acknowledge them but they did carve out a niche that worked and tapped into a fanbase that few would . Been a die hard fan for yrs. and respect to them .

Lol you must be banged up.

They both sexy :)

Have you ever seen them in the same place.

Vinnie Patt

Joseph Alexander 😂

People been saying they look alike for years !

he use to bring them up quite a bit on his old podcasts before #200

Are you working? What kind of work do you do?

Guru was from Boston Roxbury to be exact R.i.p Legend

Mass appeal

FULL CLIP DO U WANNA MESS WIT THIS!!!

i put in work and watch my status escalate

Above the Clouds RIP

R I P GURU

Where the sounds are original. Infinite styles create miracles.

What I'm here 4 is a beautiful song

Benjamin Jeanes it will be because of the mumble bs

@@chroniclife420isaac4 nah. As long as my white ass is on this earth, Gang Starr will never be forgotten.

I'm a white guy from Utah that his shit was the realest hip hop I've ever heard!! May he rest in peace up in the clouds were his sounds are original👌

@@tym5583 lyrical sounds create miracles, niiiccee!!!!

Tony Hawk Pro Skater 4

you think immortal technique is one of the greatest MCs to walk the earth? you need yo ass beat

For sure KAAN is personal my Top mc but vinnie def top 5 I play Daily

@Tinkleboy You haven't a clue who KAAN is clearly. You thinki Vinnie goes around killing people? Yeah that's what i thought. Fan Boy? Your names not Vinnie Paz. Dumb

@Matt Tinkelman Say what you will, but what Vinnie did in the early 90's with JMT is kind of legendary, and he is a pioneer of independent underground hip hop. One of the first groups to blow without a major label to back them, and he put on many talented people over the years.

@Matt Tinkelman You can look at it that way i suppose, or you can see it for what it is. The way I see it is Vin was smarter than the few that hate him now. Vinnie managed tours, albums, production, ect. With so many hands out it's hard to please everyone for a long period of time. Guys like King Mag, Dez, Doap, ect still acting like goons into their 40's. Vinnie is not going to let others ruin what he built. I actually have some deep insight into that scene being friends with Esoteric, and know quite a bit of behind the scenes with the recent beefs. The truth is the vast majority of his peers highly respect him, and treat him like a blood brother for a reason. You see it all the time in life with people who only care for themselves, they will act like they love you until you cannot give to them anymore, and then it turns to hate instead of appreciation for what was done. The "using" was coming from the other end.

@Matt Tinkelman You right about some of his unoriginality for sure. He has been known to use things he did not create on more than one occasion, and that is what most of the beef is over. There were lots of handshake agreements that got turned on for both sides, from album art, to verses on albums, tour dates, features, and more. I can also agree it's mostly gimmick with any of the horrorcore shit he creates, but let's be honest only probably 5% of any rappers live the lyrics throughout time when it comes to gangster shit right up to the biggest names. I am much more of a fan of his heartfelt songs over the AOTP stuff or bangers on his recent solo albums that is all gimmick. I cannot argue that point, but from what I hear his heart has always been in the right place, and never set out to rise himself over others. I only met him once, and def do not know him on a personal level what so ever, but from all the stories I have heard over the years about him from working the Boston club scene as security he's not a bad person.

You a fuckin og hip hop head. Big upps to you fam. Thank you for keeping it solid. Since 8, to 42, thats a statement fam. Be you and stay blessed

Exactly, it's good to have Vinnie P on because underground Hip Hop is where it's truly at, none of this soundcloud mumble rap shit.

Anthony Arcanum Sanctum Regnum you and I are on the same page. I’m 43 and also been listening to Hip Hop since I was 8. Been a big fan ever since. I love Jedi Mind Tricks and a lot of East Coast hip-hop. Perfect type of music for me as well. Congrats on keeping it real for this long.

I feel u...I'm 41 beat listening to hip hop since 12_13...real east coast hip hop

Same here man I just started listening to him 5 months ago I bought 2 of vinnys albums I really liked the army of pharaohs and then I learned about Celph titled and bought one of his albums now I listen to it daily

End of Days is silly garbage. Paz doesn't really have a coherent political vision so one song will be a really tremendous and factual summary of a Howard Zinn book and the next will be complete nonsense about how Al Qaeda and the Saudi Wahabists are freedom fighters. He's still a weapons grade MC and a charming guy.

facts

He has an extensive metal and hardcore background

LEE BRANDON . Wow. I was surprised to see him on Joes podcast too. Vinnie's the man. So underrated. Would love to see Apathy on this show one day too.

Right? I'm blown away rn. Should see the look I get when I call Jus Allah one of the top 5 rappers of all time. Vinnie is right up there.

Yep same reaction here. Fucking love Vinnie. Gotta watch that episode

Ik man. It’s like the coolest thing. And I’m a huge army of the pharaohs/Jedi mind tricks fan. So...this is just fantastic

LEE BRANDON it’s not underground, it’s overground

kewl dude

Straight up. Too underated

same here

I'm very sorry to hear that

Same here been listening for around 10 years. I'm 24. You should check out the 90's and 80's man. Big daddy Kane ,Rakim , KRS one. Pete Rock n CL smooth. You'd be surprised how fucken good the golden eras were man.

I mean he said he doesn’t mind it, you hear whatever you want to listen to

absolutely idiotic generation* Fixed that for you.

@@dadon6055 you sound really young and cool

@@benbillings3237 there is no such thing as young and cool anymore only young lazy rude self entitled narcissistic and dumb.

@@dadon6055 and you're the judge and jury of that huh

Lmaoo

there was an interview where vinnie said he fucks with migos, gucci, future, chief keef

Yeahh u just old bro lol no one calls em hipsters, no one calls it mumble rap, no one's rocking skinny jeans anymore 😂 you like what u grew up with and that's coo but let the kids have what they like. Vinnie loves plenty of drug talk as long as it's done with skill and originality & that's what chief keef and future n some of the new (well, new compared to vinnie lol) cats do.

God of the seven deadly

Criminally underrated

Box cutter pazzy

He is garbage he can't rap

Morpheus Fishburn Don’t feed the troll. I somebody says this about Paz he or she clearly has no clue about good rap.

Gimme roe jogan back. But yeah door interview.

I just went to a Jedi mind tricks concert a week ago in Philly. Never in a million years would I have guessed Vinnie P would be on a podcast with joe lol

@@EquiNoxM lol tf

Have you heard Joyner Lucas version of Panda? Good listen hahahah

Spot on, it’s based on the drugs they take, Xanax sounds like mumble rap

Lot's of drugs make you talk like that.

I know

I find it hilarious that a lot of kids talk about "lean" as if it's their thing, like we weren't fuckin around with it 10 years ago in high school lol A serious lack of self awareness in today's youth

who is vinnie?

your pic doesn't look like you listen to rap, this is not Vinnie from Forbes

Vinnie Paz- End of days, your welcome m.ukposts.info/have/v-deo/apajfmmcZ56psXk.html

Right??? That was exactly my reaction as well

JMT

Ricardo Cortez de la Cruz II right? Was just thinking the same thing

I agree. This interview was way too tame. Vinny seemed to have humbled himself for what ever reason. It came across as though he reserved himself.

@Matt Tinkelman the fuck is you taking about bitch boy

@Matt Tinkelman you replied so fast LOL imagine battyman

Jedi Mind, heavenly divine

@Matt Tinkelman why? What's his deal?

Matt Tinkelman damn bro what Vinnie do to you piss in your cereal ?

Disagree there, anyone with ears will tell you it's garbage

@Big dookie hahahahahahaha you've got no idea how old either of us are. You also have no idea what music we actually like. But what's golden here is the idea that you're some sort of scholar because you listen to unintelligible druggy jibber over half assed synth beats is fucking hilarious.

Christopher Hendricks this is inherently false , music is all completely objective , you can debate levels of complexity with music but music is music it has no numeric scale or any scale of that matter of what is better than what

I guess you get to decide what 'good music taste' is for the rest of us mere mortals?

Y’all just don’t like mumble rap because it sounds like your mother with a muscle in her mouth 👻👻👻

No,*/No.*

Says a producer of a shit rapper

That's your opinion. But you're right the producers do deserve a little more credit.

Actually the producer should get slapped for making the same beat over and over

Lil Pump but no one's gonna listen to Gucci Gang with no beat. Gotta have both.

Nailed it

55 year old guitar player here . My name is Skinny . About to change it to Lil' Skins . cuz i needs the Benji-doodles

Tom P. 💯👏👏👏👍

bahaha you hit the painted nail on the head lolol

Sad but true.

Alestrom fit a pirate niche, not rap though

MY BLOODY MATEY 🏴‍☠️

It's def a generational thing and i'm glad he acknowledges that. you get older and you don't like the same shit anymore. or the new shit doesn't appeal to you because you're not 20 anymore. it's ok to get old gracefully and not try to feebly cling to your youth and not really understand what the kids are into anymore

PFFFFFTTTT HAHAHAHHAHAHAAH

Razvan Radu hes not a mumble rapper you have to mumble to be a mumble rapper

He’s not a mumble rapper... He’s riding on the previous successes of cats like Lil Jon and Bone Crusher. His style is more akin to that dirty south crunk music people were bumpin in the 2000’s.... Though he has been getting more quiet with his delivery lately now that hes blown up

Charlie To0 Human exactly

Tekashi is much more than that, he’s a Top Tier striker for Mexico’s International team, while goal keeping for Barcelona. Step aside Ter Stegen, there’s a new guero in town.

Yesssiir. Ill be picking up that album today

Box cutter!

LuisTheSteel Gonzalez i couldn’t believe he was on jre box cutter paszzy!!!!!

Go stillers

Peter Ortiz I'm an mc thank you 🙏

Peter Ortiz I think mumble rap is only popular because it’s usually a good beat but shitty rap that knows how to match the flow

Rapper*

Unfortunately "Mumble Rap" isn't going anywhere. It started in 2011-2012 and its almost 2020 in a couple of years. You fail to realize that Hip-Hop is still a "Young Mans Sport". It's reflective of the youth & generation. No matter how degenerative or dysfunctional it is. Many of the new wave of rapper cite these rappers as their influence: 1)Chief Keef (Keep in mind he's still only 21-22) 2)Gucci Mane 3)Lil' B 4)Lil' Wayne 5)Waka Flocka Flame Note: Honorable Mention - Soulja Boy Now take the names I mentioned. And the music of the "new wave" which influences the culture of today. The next wave of rappers will be just as bad or worst than the current generation of rappers. You will see a new wave of "Lil' Pumps, 6ix9ines, and Xxxtentacions" in the next ten years. It's best to find another genre or literally find artist who still have substance, if you still can find any after 2020.

No future been doing it for almost a decade

Can’t say that any clearer brother.

Popular art reflects successful marketing campaigns of the past.

Tim Spencer “art”

Or does society reflect art?

And society is clearly confused lol

Blood on my hands for me... "Its a body!!"

Bloody tears for me

Right? LMAO 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Fuck yeah! 🤘🏻🤘🏻

egg zak lee!

Generic

Old is in your mind, you dont have to be "old" to know this shit is garbage.

Exactly nick, I'd rather listen to 90's hip hop and I'm young. The old stuff is better

Bobby Digital wow what a special snowflake

@@ShaithMaster Very true, Nick.

@@ShaithMaster you're a great guy, Nick

Drug attic Drug basement

You spelt addict wrong

lol bitch you should have grown up in school. dumb fuck.

I wish I had a drug attic

Well put

Young rogan

Ol' Jeezy

Biggie J-Ro

Yung Rogan

JRE 420 guicc gang

BeanDaddy DoggRatt Ive liked vinnie for years but he def hasn’t seen real rapper money

Jonny Aufiero well there is the argument of what real rapper money is but I do know what mean and I totally agree

Black thought though?

prive naam of coarse all day

@@jonnyaufiero4622 Vins worth a couple mil man. Might not seem like it but hes got his hands on JMT (obviously), AOTP, HMK, and more. Matter of fact his next solo album drops tomorrow, dudes a workaholic lol always on tour

Check out the palmer squares. Specifically Accs first verse on Stay Stupid. Highly reccomend

Wutag

Dawg there’s still better lyricists out there than all the guys you mentioned besides pun maybe. Check out Joey badass, earl sweatshirt, Kendrick, jid, Bishop Nehru, Mach hommy

Aiden Wood Yeah today’s rappers have better lyrics and wordplay than nas Bold statement that pal 🤦‍♂️

michael clarkin I didn’t say that, I said there ARE rappers who have that skill and beyond. Not all modern rappers are better. If you have twist my words that far to come up with a response, which was still shit, why even say anything fam?

Yeah, a good rap beat stands alone. Words can often ruin it if the person isn't talented enough to work with the beat.

It used to be poetry. Then it was a battle, east vs west. Then it was getting played on Pop radio for recogination, and now its social media

@oddun absolutely, I'm God is an incredible instrumental. With the MC it's unlistenable.

JaxBlade way to tell it like is brother.

Couldn’t of said it better

Drainitallday yeah very forgotten . remember listening to gangstarr in 2005

10 cool points from me too. Joe knows hiphop. Still to this day I think "moment of truth" is one of the best hiphop albums ever made. RIP Guru. And Dj Premier is STILL making classic tunes. It's amazing.

Drainitallday or just having Paz on. Wuuut

facts

Them cool points are hard to earn.

Where u from in philly

Mike BEWB haha was just about to do the same thing 👍🏾

Same

Ignorance is bliss.

Never hearing that mumble rap horse shit again is bliss

😂😂

fuckin surprised he knew vinnie

Sud It's been damn 4-6 years in the making. Joe had immortal technique on the podcast back in day also! check it out. cheers buddy

Hes from Boston

Nas is his favorite MC, so no doubt he knew Guru

Omg, dont get me goin on 90s rap. Ill lose my cap!

lol no

Fact

@@madisonbailey2564 say what?

Matt Tinkelman not even close

Madison Bailey yes

Dam that's harsh lol u just roasted him

Damn, beat me to the Patton Oswalt joke. Respect.

hahah for real you won the fuckin internet

Hahahaha points!

I can't unsee this hahaha

B-City Da King NYC he is trash he don’t even get a million views

amen!

Guru and preemo!

Gang Starrr baattle!!

one of my fav duos of all time i miss guru

But in the end, it's still Guru and Premier.

Jus Allah was also in that group, Jedi Mind Tricks