I'snt that what the no child left behind act is for?

It's kind of funny that public schools are of the opinion that you can throw money out of a failure. Everywhere else in life when something fails you get rid of it. Not public schools. They fail, and we're supposed to take money away from what's working?

@Paramecium Tollies That's about accurate at the public school that I went to. I went to halfway decent public school. Most of us who got out did so by joining the army. Most of my graduating class did about as well in life as they did in school.

@Fracking Saves My saving Grace was a command Master Chief as a father. my parents identified the problems and shortcomings with public schools a long time ago. And they adjusted their fire accordingly. Both of my daughters go to charter schools. And agreed. I had to join the army to get out.

In a sane universe government school would not even exist.

I studied Latin in Junior high and high school, and it gives an excellent grammatical foundation to English and other languages

@@stevepierce9329 I do not doubt it. Mr. Hardy is awesome. We do not challenge kids enough these days.

Mr. Hardy is a goddamn hero

@Paramecium Tollies stay in your safe space 😂😂😂

@Paramecium Tollies learning a new, complicated language can increase memory and intuitiveness. So how is it not useful?

Fracking Saves What does that have to do with her post? Successful student graduates to become a nursing student, mother thanks her creator. You are trying to stir up something that may or may not be there, therefore adding nothing but snark to the dialogue. Not a good look.

4.0 college student, just got my masters, making 6 figures, etc. Went to a basic public school from a city that's a meme to those around it, and I didn't even finish High School. Charter schools are a waste of money and time.

Fuck God, and Jesus. I am engineer from public school, because I simply want to be a engineer. No help needed from fictional character.

@Fracking Saves why so angry? Make mine freedom!

@Fracking Saves They don't teach religion in schools. At least not charter schools

My two kids went to charter schools for almost all of their school years and did very well. In AZ, charter schools have been around for a LONG time. The unions HATE them.

Public school works as designed. Why bring out the best in everyone when that threatens the Progressive Agenda ? The old teach a man to fish idea in reverse. Keep people dependent upon an ever-growing all-powerful State.

Yeah I was the opposite, I went to charter from 6-8th grade and went to a public highschool and dropped out the second I was able to.

I went to vocational school. Had I not had that choice, I wouldn't have graduated.

@Fracking Saves you sound like a government employee

@Fracking Saves you must be a public school troll or a board member. Stfu

i was in a public school the whole time but am hearing impaired and got tired of teachers talking to the chalk board and not me even tho they knew i was hearing impaired so at 9th grade (by this time i was held back twice) i dropped out and took my GED test right away and passed with flying colors. i would never trust a public school if i could help it ...

Wouldn't it make more sense to take all the positives from charter schools and put them in public schools. Wouldn't it be better to make our schools like Finland, where they don't have a private sector, so rich parents can't opt out, if they want better schools, all the schools have to better. I believe in a school system where everyone receives an equal education. But, we don't have that, we have an education system that rewards children for being in a rich district.

@Fracking Saves It would be more effective if you relayed the business model that shows that it's a scam. Examples of charter schools being shown that they are scams would be nice, too. But even with examples, it's not enough to be conclusive evidence to say in general that charter schools are a scam. Could you show that most charter schools are owned by a few corporations and then show them wanting to inflate their numbers, similar to low funding schools. Plus, what's 2+2?

@Fracking Saves Stop trolling on UKposts and get a life!

Fracking Saves lol i couldn’t imagine trying to convince or argue with someone by simply stating a claim with no evidence and then calling them an idiot

And when you ask for that busing you're paying for through taxes, they run your kids around on eight different buses for 2 hours just to get back and forth to school that's 10 minutes away... They punish you for requesting public transportation to go to private school.

Fretchen tax payer funded but privately owned and managed. Public school teachers are city or state employees. Where charter school teachers are employees of a company. That’s what I meant by private sector and public sector.

Imagine what they could do if they got their hands on the DMV and Post Office.

Tax payer funded but privately ran. I think it is still in the public sector in terms of funding.

@Fracking Saves you told him...

Fretchen it’s private sector. Most companies get public funds nowadays. Doesn’t mean their public sector. Public sector means government funded and managed. Charters are funded mostly by tax dollars but it’s a private company with private management.

This is the most sensible comment I've read on here. Kudos to you for taking the time and energy to type it out.

Thank you for this comment, many people don't realize that charter schools are given a pass when it comes to students with disabilities. This kind of discrimination forces pubic schools to spend more resources to educate all students while charter schools can selectively segregate students who require less resources.

I agree this needs to be a part of the discussion, but I disagree with a few finer points, due to my own experience. I live in a high immigrant community. My kids attend a charter school that caters to English As a Second Language students. They saw a need and filled it. They do this by hiring half the teachers and twice the teachers aids, because they are working on 75% of the budget of a public school, and immigrants typically can't make up the cost difference. And they have phenomenal results. Meanwhile, in the public schools in this area, a politician got elected on the campaign promise of more and better paid teachers. But that promise was kept by drastically cutting lower paid, non-unionized teachers aides. They kept their special ed directors, they just cut the people who were actually administering the special ed. And they didn't have a choice in it, because the decision came at a government level. My kids school doesn't cater especially to special ed, but it is a workable model that proves the charter system could cater to special ed and do a better job than the current system. Because special ed kids (like ESL kids) need one on one training, not bloated top down edicts.

Not in California, public charter schools usally have a higher percentage of students that receive Special Education than the traditional public school.

goclone I guess that’s how it is in the mainland but here in Hawaii the students that I had at my public charter school that had learning disabilities and physical disabilities were taught how to farm, how to work along with a different tailored education for them. They learned how to make irrigation systems, learn hydroponics, along with tending to the fishery we had and even some of the cattle and gardens. Those kids got a good education because they were taught how to still be independent enough along with there disabilities. I know in public schools that there are teachers that actually care about there students and want whats best for them but stuff like the SAT’s, the forced curriculum that’s outdated or being changed to just brainwash kids into being idiots instead of free thinking critical thinkers and even out right banning of stuff like recess or more specifically making physical education way less fun by having overly safe equipment isn’t helping. I live in one of the poor districts where the public high school has fucking cops on duty to “keep the peace” cause fights break out all the time and even get organized by the students, kids who bring improvised shanks and knives cause they grew up learning how to make those. All the fucking kids from that school didn’t think they’d make anything of themselves and it showed. They smoked in class, drank, got pregnant early, teachers sleeping with students (my fucking brothers sleep with 2 of the female teachers), teachers having actually fist fights with students. It was shit! The public charter school I went to actually showed me what I could do, what I could be! I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life and ended up taking up the STEM program one of the teachers had going. I got interested in construction and architecture work from that class, ended up working over the summer with the same STEM teacher to help build one of the new school buildings and even learned some electrical from him! Me and him that summer built a classroom my school mates used along with myself and I even earned a wage from doing it! I did my senior project on how we went about doing it, that it gave me confidence in myself to find a career in construction and what my plan was to get into construction. As soon as I graduated highschool I went to the trade school here and got my associates degree in construction in 2 years. I was 19 when I got my degree! And I already proved what I learned cause the construction course gave hands on approach and even gave us a good starting place if we joined the union cause a lot of alumni from the construction course are in the union and know the students that come out of it are good workers. I’m planning on giving back to my community by getting these kids with no direction SOMETHING to do. We don’t got a lot of fun places around here so I figured we should just build some. I got a lot of work ahead of me from actually building up the funds needed, making connections and trying to shape the community to WANT to change but it’s better then sitting on my ass and not doing anything. Though I’m glad someone up there in the mainland still fucking cares for any of these kids and actually wants there to be better but damn if I know how you’ll do it what with all the private companies trying to breath down public schools necks. Thing is we had to deal with some of that crap to. We had to do those stupid useless SAT’s and stuff and the thing is the students did there damndest to make sure we could pass those cause we the students knew our teachers actually fucking cared about us and we wanted to show they weren’t wasting there time. So yeah, just your students knowing you actually give more then a passing fuck about them is probably one of the best things your doing for them and maybe giving them a few nudges in alternative ways they could learn.

@Fracking Saves Fracking does save. Dems want to stop fracking, coal plants and natural gas production. But no nuclear power plants. Yup. I'm crazy. Atl is better with charter.

@Fracking Saves Your obviously a product of the public education system. Go fuck yourself.

@@imustbecrazy5626 don't mind him, he's just mad that black people are actually doing well.

People say charter schools only get the best and brightest kids. The “alternative” school in Coweta county is a charter school. Their graduation rate is fantastic.

@@wompa70 Go Coweta Co.! Ga Strong All Day Long.

:)))

@Fracking Saves We can already see the results. Across the board charter schools have a much better graduation rate, higher SAT scores, greater college admittance and much better overall discipline because students can more easily be expelled because the schools operate on a voluntary basis. That said, I'm quite sure based on your multitude of comments that you are not interested in any facts. You seem to only be concerned with trashing any opposition to Big Brother.

Charter schools are going to teach the same thing most places. They take tax payer money... they are teaching what the state says. Plenty of research that shows theres no real difference. The biggest difference is location... just like public schools.

@Fracking Saves If it's a scam that means they are taking your money and running with it. You put the child in charter to make sure they get a good education. Look at public, I went through public my entire life and schools didn't deal with the problems like failing test scores and students acting like a heard of circus monkeys on cocaine. I remember one day in science class I snapped on a couple of students who was clowning around and not taking the notes. After that they shut-ed up and we got our notes done. Put some authority in public schools and you will see dramatic improvements, sadly that isn't the case since teachers can't put authority in the class room.

"Oh yeah see that thing that i had no part in? Yeah I did that." - The government, since the 1940s.

I went to Catholic school from K-12 and was never taught Latin. We never even used it in church. I really wish I did; learning Latin would have been extremely enlightening for me since I like learning languages. Not only could you learn other languages easier, you would also be able to read the works of all the ancient Roman figures, like a Caesar, Cato, Marcus Aurelius, and the most important, imo, Cicero.

I took 4 years of Latin in highschool by choice.

waisodim666 I would have too, but they cut me off at two years, since that was the "minimum" colleges looked for in a second language.

You are a fucking idiot if you honestly think that parents are going to start willingly signing up for community service mate. People are lazy

@@Dogman690 That's why it's a charter school. It's not for parents who don't fucking care. It's for parents who do, lol Don't you realize it's for us to get our kids away from parents like you. I have an ex-wife, and we both attend events and do community service for our daughter's school. So yeah, I'm a fucking idiot.

I wish I stayed in a charter school.

I wish the education system was flexible and allowed kids to learn different subjects at the pace they can handle and not the current factory line schools. edit for clarity. also i wish they would allow the smart students to graduate earlier and take college courses till they are old enough to go to college or a trade school or whatever the student chooses.

​@@kercchan3307 the fact that school has you braindead doing menial tasks instead of focusing on bigger projects is what bothers me the most. we need to get government far less involved than they are now

3 words:Project-based Charter School

@@infamoussebsansuz5770 5 words free roaming no schedules schools

This is really where we should be headed. More flexible, personal pace, and the least expensive. Plus better for the environment, easier on parents with tight schedules, safer from a practical standpoint, and on and on. So many benefits, so little drawback..

The only problem with it is that it takes a special kind of student, one who is largely self-motivated, but those that are self-motivated succeed to the highest degree

@@seirbhiseach right, my grade were doing fine in Covid online school except for pre cal, but every else had their grades fall. PS it is hard to learn math online because you can go to tutoring whenever you want and ask the teacher questions and most videos on UKposts choose easy problems to do videos on not the complex problems on your homework.

@@honestfriend767 it wasnt terribly hard for me to learn, but I'm no math genius, it really does depend fully upon the learning environment that your specific school provides because you just have to have teachers thst understand they're trying to teach you the math CONCEPT, not simply how to do that one specific equation and sequence of equations, but the concept itself.

@Fracking Saves no u

The NEA, the largest teachers organization in America and it only looks out for teachers, their benefits & salary as well as working conditions. Not one thing for the Students or their quality of education. Unions are pure evil...

@Fracking Saves Trump 2020!

why do you want to race to the bottom so bad?

The idea that unions are bad is a common misconception, unions actually help everyone. Teachers are only paid a "fair" salary (it would be lower without unions) because of unions and are protected from unfair treatment. Unions help incentivise the best teachers to become teachers by keeping the quality of the job high. Teachers with the most experience are almost always better at teaching, and without unions many schools would fire these teachers to avoid paying higher wages and hire younger, less experienced teachers who will work for less money.

@@St3wCat you are an Idiot and possibly a teacher. So government would fire experienced teachers with a proven track record and only hire young inexperienced ones simply to save a buck? You do know that public schools are run by the government, don't you? And most school districts in the U.S. are run by Liberal Democrats. So are you saying that the Government and School Board members are evil and corrupt? Your logic is flawed in so many ways...

Same. Class sizes are smaller and the teachers actually want to help you. At my charter school, all the seniors go to college after graduation but at my old public school, making it to sophomore year was seen as a massive achievement🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

Pretty much any alternative offers better results than government-schools.

Most homeschooled kids in my area are illiterate...

@Fracking Saves you don't sound like a jealous troll at all. Why don't you let the big kids discuss education?

@Charlene Robertson homeschooling doesn't necessarily mean the parent is teaching the kid, you could always hire private teachers...

Charlene Robertson Thanks for sharing....

Millions of great teachers in public schools, hate the way they are run. They'd love to work for a great private school.

It's up to 72 people now.

@Fracking Saves Lol I am not at a gov't school

What are Australian schools like?

@Fracking Saves not u I'm talking bout @Konata Izumi

Americans speak English though... so do Australians. You’re obviously trying to sound smart but instead making yourself sound dumb.

@@winkydinks4770 They make us wear uniforms and school starts for us in January and finishes in December. Also, we don't have middle school we only have Primary which is like elementary and High school. Primary starts at Kindergarten (5-6 years old) and finishes in Year 6 (11-12 years old) Highschool starts at Year 7 and finishes in Year 12

@Fracking Saves it's not as if government fuck up almost everything it touches, is it?

There's a good argument for a common baseline educational funding target, even for kids who aren't your own. All things considered, it is better for each of us that every child has access to education of some standard. Primary and secondary education are generally pretty cheap if run correctly. Where exactly that funding goes is another question.

Fracking Saves How is he dumb? He is factually correct.

Gonzalo Gutierrez Ignore him. He's trying to troll everyone.

Brett Bolch That moment when the government creates a barrier to entry in an economic market, you realize that government *is* the monopoly. They should be taken to court for violation of antitrust laws. It’s the same situation.

shhhh, hes sleeping now.

It isn't really new. If you search you can find the same report a few years ago.

RIGHT!!!

His videos always made my blood boiled. I can't sleep with that.

Which is bullshit imo

Your comment is about the only one on here not hit up by the members of the teachers Union. I wonder why they haven't jumped on yours yet? Aw wait,cause what could they say against it, lol. Thank you for sharing,thank you for seeing the value in hard work. I wish you nothing but the best,and you will earn it. You will! Good luck with your studies.

Bernie Sanders has a dream of what America should be like, but then does the opposite.

I think Latin would be good in order to better understand and learn new words because the conponets of the words would be familiar and understood.

Ordo ab chao?

Well German and Spanish are the second, third most common languages in the US, so I think that's why it's taught

Latin was the literary language of Rome. It’s questionable whether is was a real language spoken at all. The vernacular of the empire was Greek. I laughed when the characters in passion of the Christ were speaking broken Latin.

@Fracking Saves what?

@Fracking Saves i seriously can't figure out what you mean, are you insulting me? Because thats not an insult because its not true... I also never went to charter school. Did your education fail you? Could explain your projecting, Maybe clean up your house before insulting others... Or at least make a good argument. Either way, please improve yourself for the good of everyone because i can feel you dragging the world down with your mindset.

@@jaycweingardt11 Seems he's a catch phrase spammer with no actual arguments. Best he's just treated like he's just the clown he is.

I took latin in High School and can read and understand Italian and can read and understand enough of Spanish and french to get around in those languages.

Don't worry, if a kid doesn't learn the way or at the rate they make him, just throw him in special ed and get more grant money for having so many kids in such a specialized program

@@seirbhiseach that's a good point

@Fracking Saves please leave your union and stop hurting average folks to benefit yourself.

I mean, compared to your effortless execution of the office, it can't be THAT hard, right?

A lot of people only see the side of the argument when it benefits them. I still support charter schools, but find it funny that this particular parent can't understand that "anyone else" doesn't want to pay taxes to support her lifestyle.

Borussia Doormat easy there edgelord

Fracking Saves that’s a stupid rebuttal that has zero to do with the topic. If a charter school can do a better job, cheaper, then why are you against them. Every government run school I know of is bureaucratic, wasteful, and less effective.

Private schools don’t do a better job than government run education. They perform well because they’re either obscenely expensive, or funded by other corporations or religious entities. Either way, there’s mountains more money involved. If they had to run on the same budget that right-wingers force onto Public Schools, they’d fail immediately.

It doesn't really help with social skills. Apart from church and school, I don't really go anywhere else. Most people at church are not within my age range so socializing is hard. At school, I can easily socialize and it boosts my confidence.