I’m really glad we can finally have these conversations.

Because of the expansion of space they are traveling the galaxy to find life and build warp gates that allow all civilizations to stay connected. No matter how much space expands. They are also here to get the recipe for the Chick-fil-A chicken sandwiches and Taco Bell’s Baja Blast drink.

I recommend watching the entire interview. One of the most mind expanding discussions I have ever heard.

Wow, What astounding, unique ideas! The potential "panspermia siblings" scenario having been seeded in a local stellar nursery feels like such a likely & reasonable possibility to me. Fascinating, groundbreaking & just plain fun to listen to! My hats off to both of you gentlemen, please continue shining an educated & creative light on topics like these! 👍

This is pretty brilliant. No matter if its right or wrong its a very intresting series of concepts.

Maybe they've showing us their impressive technology as a means to inspire us. They're effectively destroying the notion that we have physics "figured out", which could quash our complacency with our current models

Panspermia Siblings makes the most sense out of every other theory i've heard.

The logic leaps and how far they are taken is amazing here.

I like the way this conversation headed ,bring that guy more ,he has some interesting perspective

Imagine if an alien came down to earth and had the same shirt as this guy

UFO conversations are turning lately to be more serious, more intelligent and more people are opening to the possibility, this seems to be happening really fast.

Should be titled “Couple of aliens having a chat”

Just want to say what an amazing conversation 🤯

Great conversation. This is what removing the stigma allows us to do - have thoughtful conversations about possibilities.

The best episode I've seen yet had to come back for a refresh

What an InsightFul Convo!

This is such a cool conversation ❤️

You are inferring a bit too much from very little information we have. Your hypothesis is quite presumptuous. With that said, I like that you dare to explore these possibilities. I certainly would not have on my own. Keep exploring, I’ll listen. Thanks for sharing.

This was brilliant. Looking for the matching spectrum stars

This is the most compelling argument I’ve heard for this explanation, which as of this moment is impossible to explain. Cheers to Robin for his brilliant mind and to Lex for helping him to make his argument mainstream.

I love his statistical breakdown of the "prior probabilities". I think it is a good explanation, as to why people get hooked on the subject, despite the seeming craziness of it. There are just too many coincidences.

I've never considered this possibility before. Very intriguing.

Fun to listen to! Anything can be possible and I guess that is the fun in this conversation.

One of the best discussion on the matter.. omg that was full of dense content. Amazing, thank you.....

Their behavior reminds me of how wild life photographers or scientists integrate themselves on the edge of a pack so the pack doesn't find them threatening but still get to observe somewhat naturalistic behavior. This brings up the slight possibility that they might have been observing us for a long time and now just have gotten a little lazy to the brains back home and AI protocol hasn't changed yet.

personally have not heard this topic covered in this perspective (pansermia). pretty fascinating and interesting, cool shit.

Hey Lex! I'm curious, when you close your eyes in order to get the proper words and/or structure formulated before you say it, are you actively visualizing something? Or are you simply shutting out visual stimuli in order to concentrate? I ask, as I am an Aphant and I still close my eyes to get concentration as well lol. For me it's just reducing the impact of anything that can prohibit my thought process.

this is a great analysis of the uap subject, taking into assumption they are indeed extraterrestrial. its touching on the game theory with occams razor.

Wow , this is now top of all podcasts moments, very deep and profound 👌

So, rather than answering the question about the likelihood of a spec on a video being alien life, this devolved (almost immediately) into a conversation about aliens having some rule about not allowing anyone to leave their planet.

Mr. Hanson is brilliant. I want to hear more on just about anything he thinks about.

Has anyone seen the story about the children in Zimbabwe that saw an alien craft and little people step out on ground at recess when all the teachers were inside and every interview of these kids is solid in their experiences. Hard to teach little kids to lie, especially as a large group. Just throwing that out there. Very interesting

Imagine you find out you have siblings you never knew about. How careful would you be to research them before you introduce yourself?

I have an alternative to this, in place of enforcing a non-grabby policy. That is, to enforce an invisible expansion policy. I.e. you're allowed to expand but only if you use FTL or non visible drive mechanisms. This keeps underdeveloped species from understanding how many possible intelligent species are in the universe. This would be significantly harder to enforce though

This guest is impressively intelligent, and yet optimistic about this topic to the point of absurdity.

Wonderful. Distance and time are the mountains to climb. They ponder this in rare form.

Guided by the ideas presented here can we assume first contact will absolutely occur with an AI system and not human? Would aliens not ensure they immediately or preemptively interacted with what will very likely surpass human cognitive capacity and present a greater risk of grabbyness?

Why did I have a feeling a lot of people wouldn't like this guy lol One of my favs Lexs guests talking about this topic, all of it not just this clip

"My hypothesis is..." Bro this isn't something you have a hypothesis on its completely unhinged from any data you could possibly test, it's call a speculation and a pretty wild one tbh

The same math used in transformation optics like cloaking, which bends and refracts light for invisibility is the same math for bending spacetime into the same "lensing" effect (transformation electromagnetics)

its unlikely that aliens are visiting us from other planets, but more likely from other dimensions

Reminds me of a case where the person said he felt intense love and it was like meeting family. Then great sadness when they left.

This is a fascinating discussion!

This guy has set the bar pretty high for who should I listen to in regard to UFO/aliens.

Being that there were a couple different sightings of ufo’s above the White House in 1952 and we responded by sending fighter planes probably didn’t seem like a great neighborly welcome to them.

It's either Aliens, Our own Advanced Technology, or an Ancient Species or Civilization that was here on Earth before us. My guess is one of the last two.

If conversations like this took place just a decade ago then those people would be considered weird or crazy. But the past few years it actually feels okay to talk about UFO’s and aliens. The negative stigma of believing and talking about aliens is going away finally. I love it.

Its always interesting to me when you hear about people talking about aliens or believing in aliens or the possibility of aliens as being "crazy" or put in this woo woo category. Or how people talk down to others when the concept of weird alien forms/bodies might exist, when, if you really think about it, the human form is just as strange and weird a form factor as anything else. I mean, we were once a hairy tunnel burrowing shrew like creature, frantically avoiding the giant reptillian monsters, until they left the scene, and eventually we evolved into monkeys and our brains developed. If that could happen and we eventually create spacecraft, I don't see why a reptillian form or some other crazy form, or a typical gray or whatever couldn't also become a spacefaring civilization. Its weird to me when people mock other people because they think some alien imagery seems silly to them. We're just as strange as anything else, really.

Their version of neuralink made it impossible for them to try to expand or travel intergalactically.

He said they arent poking at cities or air craft carriers but what about the phoenix lights or the UFO's surrounding a aircraft carrier ie: multiple upside down rotating triangular craft

Cool theory! I never thought of it like that but it makes a lot of sense! 😀

I was a career soldier. I left active duty in March, 2014, and also graduated with an MBA the same month. My life was ending in one regard and beginning in the same motion. The only contention was the economy. Getting out of the service was a little scary facing the uncertainty so I applied to jobs with no luck for the next few months until my unemployment checks ran out. No luck at all. Hundreds of resumes and no calls or interviews that didn't lead to any offers. I was in a bad place mentally. Depression kicked in pretty hard and I felt like suicide was the answer as I still had my military life insurance and I thought the money was better for my family then me being jobless. Now, here if you pay attention, is the steps to ego death. I began a process of looking back through my life as I sat there in my basement with my loaded AR15 in front of me. I was a family man, having raised three kids and was a well accomplished soldier. The more I looked over my life, the angrier I got. Until, finally I yelled out, "God, why have you forsaken me". Tears were rolling down my cheeks and I immediately felt a warmth in my body and I could feel a presence with me. I felt my tears being wiped from my face and the warmth began to spread to my spine. Here it traveled up to my head and my head began to tingle. Instantly I was propelled into a series of visions. I was looking at myself in my past. I was shown my life in key moments and was able to view my thoughts as well as the thoughts of others at the same exact time. In doing so, I was able to see that whenever people come together and there is an interaction, both parties always rationalize their choice of words and their actions are rationalized to the same degree. I looked out the window from my basement and in the distance I could see a brilliant white orb in the sky that then disappeared into the clouds. For the next three days, I was at peace with the universe. I seemed to be connected to something as any question I would ask myself, I would get an answer pop up in my head that would be very convincing. I sat there and wrote a book for the first two days. On day three, I had a thought about camping, and when I went to wake my wife up, the first thing she says is that she had a dream about us camping. I saw this as a sign and said to her, "Let's go today". So, that is what we did. Without a plan, just went to Wal-Mart and bought sleeping bags, a tent, and all the items we thought we would need and headed towards Mount Rainier. Now, we must have stopped at three campsites before we got to the entrance to Mount Rainier National Park. They were all booked up and had no vacancies. The park had two campsites so it was our last hope. After stopping at the kiosk at the entrance to the campsite we had to drive around the park to see if we could find a site that did not have a reservation on it. After an hour of driving, we could not find one open spot. Giving up, we started driving for the exit. All of the sudden, a park ranger steps out on the road in front of us. We slow down and ask him if all the spots are booked up and he replies yes they are sold out. I then ask where I need to go to get a refund as I paid at the kiosk. He told me to stop at a shed near the entrance. We stop, I get out and go up and process the refund. The guy behind the counter stops me as I begin to walk away after the refund is complete. He says, "Hey, we have some primitive campsites outside of the park that are free if you are interested". I look on the map he shows me, and my wife agrees that we came to camp so camping is what we are going to do. Now, as we pull in to this primitive campsite off the grid, we are alone. It is right next to a river and I ask my wife if it looked like her dream and she replied, "yes this is exactly what my dream looked like". I felt as if I was going to receive a message sometime during our trip, but nothing could prepare me for the events that would take place that night. So, around 10:00pm me and my wife decide to lay down. The kids were already sleeping, so we both got into our sleeping bags and were looking straight up in the sky as you could see the sky through the top of the tent which had that mosquito netting allowing for a perfect view of the night sky. As we watched, a brilliantly lit, white sphere went right over the top of us, a few hundred feet above the trees. It made no sound but was quite the sight to see. I looked at my wife and said, "What was that", to her reply "I am going to bed". I got out of the tent as fast as I could and by the time I got out to look for the object, it was gone. I tried staying up for another hour keeping the fire going, but nothing unusual happened. Finally, I returned to the tent and went to sleep. I do not know how long I was asleep, but the next thing I know, my wife is waking me up saying she hears two people talking behind the tent. I stand up and look around knowing that people would need flashlights to navigate the forest and did not hear anything or anyone. I asked her "Are you sure", to her reply "Yes", and my son chimes in and confirms that he heard them too. So, now everyone is spooked and we all went to the car to sleep out the rest of the night. I waited for my family to fall asleep and looked at the clock just before I fell asleep that read 12:00. As soon as I sleep I am propelled into this extremely vivid dream. It is me, I am on all fours in a sort of praying position and in front of me I can see legs and feet. The being in front of me is large, I would say twice my size. The skin is blue and hairless. I attempt to look up to see who is in front of me and something is restraining me from looking up too far. I ask the being, "Who are you"? The being responds, but the way in which it responds is telepathically. I can see these illuminated golden symbols pass through my mind and I catch myself mimicking what is being conveyed as I utter the word "God". I asked it, "Why have you brought me here"? Instantly I was propelled into a vision where I see a woman and two children in a horrific scene. They are huddled in the corner of a kitchen as the scene spans out I can see that the building their in has been bombed. The vision keeps spanning out as I get a clearer picture of what is transpiring and I see tanks down the road approaching the house with the woman and children in. There are soldiers walking next to the tanks wearing gas masks. The scene spans out to the entire globe and I see the explosions from bombs all over the place. I came out of the vision crying. I said, "I don't understand". Here a shorter vision is shown where I see the same type of illuminated orbs that I saw the night before coming off the planet while it was still calm. I took this vision as some people will be saved before the end. I tell the being, "I do not understand", and am put in another vision. This time I can see that I am in Jerusalem. Only war has already hit here as the buildings are blown up and the entire city seems deserted. I see me then I am put in first person view where I start walking down a path. This path leads to a wall. Along the wall there is a giant green door. I walk up to the door and knock on it three times. A man dressed in all black with a black beard answers. I lift up my left hand and show him an olive tree branch and say, "I come in peace, may I enter". He steps aside and says, "Yes, we have been awaiting you". He then leads me to the dome of the rock and then takes me in the building down to the basement. Here the bedrock is exposed and he bends down to gesture for me to inspect some of the rock that seemed discolored. I reach down to touch the rock and the entire vision goes white. I am then back in front of the blue being, more confused than ever. I shake my head and say, "I do not understand, who am I". The being then shows me with it's hands, a hologram of a headshot of Jesus with a crown of thorns. I shake my head at it and say, "I don't understand", to which the hologram morphs into a reflection of me and I am looking at myself. The dream ends with a bright white light and I wake up in the car. The time reads 4:00. I look out my car window and the same orb UFO from the night before is there a few thousand feet above me. It moves to the top of Mount Rainier, hovers, and just as I was about to wake my wife to show her it returned, it shoots straight up in the air like a bullet out of a gun. We pack up the car and left from camping shortly afterwards. I told my wife about the dream on the way back home. Now, I was atheist before this encounter and came out with more questions. This drove me to study and learn and that is exactly what I have been doing for the years since. I know who they are now. They are the shining ones. I have written threads on the subject matter, but make no mistake, these beings are here, they watch us, and there are things at stake in this life. Your soul being one of them...

Very interesting and should I say, fascinating. I think more of this kind of brainstorming should be done as more evidence comes in. Thanks, David

This is all good and stuff, however, I can't imagine that we could comprehend, or even begin to understand what a alien, or interdimensional civilization would be planning. They may have even created humanity in some way that we haven't figured out, and I believe that this is a very strong possibility

Would be interested in hearing the perspective of why they are interested in our military throughout history

So humble. He‘is one of them. Too nice and too much smiling 🤣

I just want them to be real so NDT can eat his own shorts

If it is a kind of observation, what would be the threatening thing on planet Earth that absolutely must be observed? - A life form that is making rapid progress in understanding mathematics and learning to apply it technologically.

I was not expecting this. When he started with the preamble, I was expecting him to go more Fermi’s Paradox, and theorize it wasn’t likely. This idea is completely new to me, and is very interesting!!

Thank you, Robin for your hypotheses and your perspective. It makes perfect sense to me.

What if we live inside a giant empire without knowing it?

Meanwhile in the school cafeteria, the jocks and cheerleaders laugh uncontrollably, while teasing the nerds w/ the Vulcan solute. Makes you realize how simple minded we’ve been. These are now legit conversations, powered by scientific anomalies that can’t be ignored. We live in what may be the most pivotal and transformative time the human species has ever experienced. I consider myself lucky. Cool stuff.

The way this gentleman speaks and the way he wears that shirt has convinced me that he is both smart and correct.

The take that the alien's are using UFO/ UAP as a semantical method is interesting.

Just saw a UFO yestarday and got it on video , it is clear that it is something unexplanable , the sad part is that nobody in my circle cared , and when they looked they just looked and said " yeah its weird , hey what are you doing tonight" , my personal experience is that i felt like an ant looking at a giant feet and every ant around me didnt even realize what is going on right on top of us

What if the alien siblings didn't enforce policies (upon themselves) against being grabby, but rather had an innate disposition against being grabby? In that case, they might not be visiting us to ensure we don't become grabby.

Crop circles are pretty impressive.

Flight of the navigator nailed it.

I understand the thought process behind giving aliens human motivations and mannerisms, it's what we're accustomed to and how we interpret most things, but that seems like a vast leap for how certain he sounds like it's already a known truth. Found myself actually laughing at the audacity

Although we can brain storm about these things, we could never know if these other beings would be as curious as us or as driven. It could be in their nature to just stick to themself and their immediate habitat. Would they see hear and feel the way we do? Still good probability that there are others out there, doubt they have visited us recently-possibly a few million years ago.

Very interesting, and clever, hypotheses!

This talk is so fascinating

This is brilliant 😁 What an idea! He makes it seem like the rational explanation 😮

I’ve been waiting for this conversation for months! For those who may not know, his math uses Bayes theorem. I wish he would also have had an electrical engineer to evaluate the graver video. What do they lock on to? How do they determine the distances and velocity and what might be explanations for failure? Ps- this make anyone else want to watch Third rock from the sun?

This. This is the content we need.

It's from the Oblivion movie the TET Space Probe 🙂 or just something way easier to understand (videography glitches, filmed birds under various angles, etc)

One thing I try to remind myself of that I rarely hear discussed or speculated about, is the idea of their potential advanced technology and the idea of masking or camouflaging themselves. And I don't just mean themselves or their ships, but also their world. If they're here, and lets just say for this example they've been here a long time. Maybe they've been watching us for thousands of years. Maybe this is some experiment, whatever the reason is, maybe they know eventually we're going to reach a certain level of technology and they don't want their presence known. This could be for a number of reasons. Who's to say they don't have some kind of technology at play, that is masking the signature of their planet. Maybe to our tech and sensors, they're doing something so that when we look at their planet, on the various spectrum it appears as something that it isn't. Looks like a normal uninteresting, boring planet, when in fact its a highly advanced populated civilization. I just think, we're being somewhat arrogant, or premature when we say, nothings out there, or choose not to believe aliens exist or make this or that statement regarding statistics, when there could be technologies that allow them to hide from us. An advanced alien version of holding a picture up to a camera to fake a video feed if you will.

Maybe it's not aliens but humans from the future?

read "Childhood's End". Heinlein had a pretty solid view of the methodology behind Alien/Human interaction.

19:00 Nice comeback Lex 😎

The "transpermia sibling" theory can explain some things, but I can't see evolution as entirely a series of happy accidents. It would defy logic.There is a higher consciousness and highly advanced entities involved in the process, from my point of view.

From my perspective, there seems to be a correlation between increased UFO sightings and an increasing threat of nuclear war. Anyone else notice that?

Love this! Thank You!

I love this interview. Thank you.

Panspermia is a very real possibility. I think there are craft traveling here from all over the universe. I think intelligent life would just be interested in seeing planets and life across the universe. Much like how we find it interesting to explore life/habitats/ecosystems on earth and discover new species, they do the same on a universal scale.

Also apparently “real” a long time before “proof” : sea Krakkens, rocks falling from space, ball lightning, rogue waves…

This conversation would have been bullshit fodder just twenty years ago. I'm really happy to see the shift in thinking

I like a concept like "panspermia siblings." However, the Nimitz "sightings" are terrible examples. Feels more like a U.S. attempt at fear tactics rather than cousins from space. There appears to be a thought that new plasma technologies allow for the creation of temporary physical balls in the sky (creating plasma in the air). You could in effect "print" objects with plasma beams into the sky.

I believe that it is possible an outside source could be preventing contact , not necessarily the extraterrestrials themselves, if that makes sense

The first part about "panspermia siblings" sharing a common origin in a single stellar nursery is fascinating, but I find the last part less convincing. Is it not possible that civilization is just incredibly brief, combined with a cost/benefit ratio that effectively prohibits the extraction of sufficient resources in that relatively small amount of time to become "grabby," resulting in no more than the release of probes toward their panspermia siblings? Obviously the probability of that preventing every single intelligent species from doing so decreases at larger scales like any other explanation, but it still seems much likelier than a societal or psychological restriction being effective over tens or hundreds of millions of years. He says that it explains why we were targeted, to prevent _our_ expansion, but isn't it also possible that, if we were targeted, we were the most likely system to find siblings? The probes could've been sent long ago, the aliens have since gone extinct, and what we're witnessing is legacy technology that has either been here for a very long time or took a very long time to get here. That would explain why they haven't expanded in the intervening years: civilization is brief, but long enough to discover panspermia and send probes to likely targets. For the third thing one needs to explain - the fact that UFOs are visible when such advanced technology doesn't have to be - it's possible that their designers didn't particularly care whether we saw them or not. It's not an invasion force, it's a few probes designed to study Earth and avoid impacting anything while doing so. All of this is, of course, assuming UFOs don't have more mundane explanations.

Wow never thought of it that way

What are they referring to when they say grabi alien?

There is so many holes in this “hypothesis” if that’s what we’re calling it.

shouldn't beings from stars formed in the same nursery, also be similar to us as well then? We would all be made of relatively the same composition of star dust, so we may even evolve similarly

'They would reveal something about themselves that we would hate'... never thought of that angle. Neat.

What is “grabby”? Is that a technical term etc?

Maybe they (the aliens) can’t help unless we ask? Has any governing body or country ever formally asked for help ?

Great guest! Great perspectives! The difference between a guest like Robin Hanson and someone like Neil Degrasse Tyson, is that his imaginative hypotheses about “aliens” are more interesting than that of NDT on the subject. I’d rather deal with someone interesting without the ego leading the way, than someone who’s charismatic with the big ego.

6:43woohoo.... this is drifting off quickly into... some direction.

Fantastic clip