I still remeber all those videos regarding how RTX 40 will be the new pascal LOL. More like the new Turing

​@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat MORTAL KOMBAAAAAAAAT!

the problem releasing new series gpus too soon, if the 40 series released 3-4 years after 30 series it would be much much better and at a similar or slightly higher price

"Who would've thought"??? Saw this coming miles away after that report from last year which claimed that NVidia were actually part of the shortage problem, stockpiling the 30 series. They have to sell the 30 series fast while keeping the 40 series appealing, how? Sell the 40 series at high prices so the 30 series look appealing, but keep some features like Frame Generations to the 40 series only.

@@Saver310 FATALITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This is the way

Mine just died and I am so sad about it.

i have a 1080 lol

It shows how stagnant computer graphics and gpu market of today is.

It’s literally a high end gpu, that’s the only reason why it’s still good even more than 5 years later

I've been using a 1080ti since the day it came out, i can safely say i was able to keep up with games flawlessly to this day.

Nice. The benchmark im looking for. Using an AMD and wanted to upgrade to AMD again (for gaming and rendering/designing) but noticed that Nvidia has major advantages for 3D rendering

Exactly!

Thank you for pointing this out. Totally agree it's so much better!

I still think it would have been clearer if they had one section for each manufacturer. Edit: also it would probably be nice if they had an icon or a photo for each graphics card

​@@Ben.N Totally agree! it's also kinda confusing that they are sorted by speed/score instead of keeping the order the same - if i want to compare the 4070 to e.g. a 7900xt i keep having to pause and search for them with each new slide

I'm in agreeance with this, I didn't realize while I was watching but in hindsight the graphs were wildly easy to understand

Backhanded compliment for sure! 🤣

@@lennybarentine6425 Linus isnt either, nvidia does not like him

GN also mentioned this on their review of the 4070. I just finished a "last generation weapon" build, 6950xt + 5800X3D, targeting high-refresh 1440p. No regrets.

@@lennybarentine6425 Linus has shit on Nvidia countless time before, what are you talking about.

​@@lennybarentine6425 he literally uses a 7900 xtx

@@FerralVideo I'm doing the same thing for 1080p 240hz

I'm also on a 6700XT, I got mine used for $250. Absolutely love it

I am also a 6700XT owner and absolutly happy, i can play every gane on 2k with highest settings(yes, Hogwarts legacy and Cyberpunk included)

Glad to hear so many people are happy with this card, because I just bought it!

@@WithMay I highly recommend going 1440p at the same time if you haven't already. Mine needed so much CPU power at 1080p that it stuttered a bit. 1440p is buttery smooth. I went with a Koorui 1440p 144hz monitor from Amazon and I've been super happy with that as well.

@@EricFixalot I got a 1440P 165 Hz monitor from ASUS on sale for 329 euros 🥰

Arc is looking good with these graphs

So excited for battlemage and celestial. We might have cheap GPUs again after all

My arc has impressed me when gaming 1440 and 4k

who buys arc???

intel will be launching some lower end gpus soon so we will see updated benchmarks in those reviews.

fingers crossed for Battlemage!

true, if it wasn't for the resizable bar thing the A770 would be an unbeatable budget king.

@@neckbeardpig279 I have one A770 on a B450 with Re-Bar. Great Card, drivers are.. okey i quitted Nvidia for long time and ran AMD Cards since the first 5000th series, so they are okeyisch for me, but i won't recommend them to others, but with every Update the Card improves now it is somehow stable with the last Update. Back to the topic, A770 would be a great budget card for older PC, but the Performance tanks with deactivated Re-bar and the drivers are.. not good still. Battlemage will show the potential for two reasons: "5 Year old PC will include Rebar capable PC's then, and the drivers are matured." Intrestingly the combination old AMD Board + Intel GPU is atm the most feasable for A770. You can get an AMD Ryzen 5 5600 for 110-120 Bucks, when you got a B450 Board, which was released in 2018, then you get Rebar and full capability with Intel GPU. So an Upgrade with an Ryzen 5 5600 and Intel Arc A750 for less then 400USD/€ is great Deal and you get great Performance. You need for a RX 6600/6650 XT as well Re-Bar for good Performance, with compareable Performance the Intel Card is 50 Bucks cheaper. (The A770 is in my Workstation not my Gaming PC)

Intels next gen cards could cause real market movement - Rumoured 3080 performance at $250 -$300 (although I'll believe it when i see it). Maybe Intel can do what AMD have refused to do.

Team BLUE!!!

already dropped to 500, black friday it will be sub 400

What infuriates me so damn much about this is that first of all the tech industry takes everybody's grandma for a ride, getting ignorant naive parents to overpay for crap (I really don't care if smug hipsters get ripped off, iPhones and macbooks are sometimes a victimless crime), but also because if you get enough of the consumers to be stupid and accept being fucked in the ass, it fucks everybody over equally. And so I really don't have the free market option of just switching to AMD, if they get simps to pay $600 for what's basically a 4060, because AMD is just going to do the same. Case in point, 80 level performance is now $900. No, I don't care that they called it "the 7900XTX" It's like Steve at Gamersnexus said, if you just move the entire gauge you didn't improve performance, you just turned the entire gauge but the reality stays the same. ANd in this case it's that 80/800XT level performance that cost about $650/700 two years ago now is literally $900. It's not a 7900XT. It's an RX 7800. They gave their RX 7800 a different name. So because nVidia buyers are all such cucks but they outnumber everyone else, you get this wave of people not even smart enough to make a Dunning Kruger remark tipping the scale by sheer mass into market stupidity, and like it's not even drug dealing, it isn't like this is healthcare or heroin or military gear where there's some broader reason why the consumer literally needs it to survive or is clinically crazy and stupid, it's just exemplifying this notion companies have that gamers are the market least deserving of being taken seriously or respected, that then gamers do stupid shit like this that makes those execs seem like they're right. I mean, why would you respect someone that pays that kind of money for a graphics card and is too dumb to notice what they're doing? So I can't even do anything about that beyond buy used at this point, which mainly is a problem because I didn't want to replace PSU and something like the 6900XT uses too much power (not that it matters, Lovelace efficiency sucks and so does the 7800XTX). I'm so mad about this because you know in 2020 when nVidia was being insultingly overpriced (imo, I had no idea the average gamer is this dumb) I at least had the option to switch brands, and it was fairly competitive. I still like my 5700XT, and it still runs everything but Cyberpunk at 1440p (the game itself is just kind of a mess, I think they finally fixed the bugs and mostly optimized it enough but you're still talking like 35-45fps on a 1080ti basically) so it isn't like I'm suffering, but soon enough this may be a problem for my system. If the corpos are just renaming everything while scamming me I'm basically just going to keep doing what I did all pandemic long and sit things out until my graphics card breaks. But the other thing about it is, it's not just the price being worse, 8gb on a 4070 is so bad I literally keep forgetting this, it's like my brain does some trim function as if 8gb had to be in error, but no it really is an 8gb card somehow. That's not even budget at this point dude. That's like if they put 2gb on the GTX 1060. It's clearly not even enough by modern standards. I play at 1440p and it already maxes out, in fact I question sometimes if some of the texture popin I got in Cyberpunk is due to it exceeding 8gb sometimes. There are games right now that use over 8gb on ultra settings at 1080p. So it's not just the fact it costs substantially more, it's the fact you're getting a substantially worse product too, with worse bus width ON TOP OF the inferior VRAM. So the nu xx70, the slot that last gen was practically intro to 4k and high refresh 1440p and a midrange card, is now two years later basically a budget 1080p card, and even at that it's questionable how long it's going to last for 1080p. Bear in mind this was the memory config on the RX 480, this is a VRAM standard that's nearing a decade old now, and it also pisses me off that literally my number one pet peeve about games, smudgy bad texture work, still stagnates solely because of nVidia's self defeating greed making their RT also somewhat useless when cranking up RT just hits VRAM limits anyway. Textures is literally the no. 1 most noticeable thing to me, so at least I have AMD to thank for pushing that all these years so devs can keep upping the standard. I just hope enough devs finally stop giving a shit about nVidia user's whining and they learn to deal with the fact they're paying premium prices for budget hardware and therefore should either stop buying that hardware or accept the fact they need to turn their graphics settings down because the GPU they chose to buy is pretty crappy and therefore they don't get that part of the premium experience. Like I'm not gonna buy an AMD GPU and then review bomb some hard working dev team just because I can't understand why my fps is worse with RT ultra on, these kids need to learn the same about their bad textures and stuttering and crashing with 8gb.

​@@pandemicneetbux2110 damn, dude

@@pandemicneetbux2110 Enjoyable rant, you should edit and post somewhere for internet bux.

​@@pandemicneetbux2110 you seem genuinely knowledgeable, but the 4070 has 12gb of ram, it was even stated in this video.

What I really like about DCS is how well it proves the point about system RAM. That game is a monster when it comes to memory. I think it was the first game to recommend 32gb, but not only that, you can see benchmarks out there for comparing different RAM speeds and timings, and the differences between bottom of the barrel 2133mhz vs 4400mhz preemo RAM kits was literally like the difference between a 6600XT and a 6800XT. That game's super sensitive to RAM apparently, and intensive af. I do like it when studios really push it to the limit, like did you know Age of Empires actually has a 2560x1440p display resolution?? Microsoft actually left a resolution for it back in the 1990s, when every screen was 640x480, pure wizardry. So I don't think it's a bad thing at all to make a game that the most high end hardware barely takes advantage of, and is why I like the overdrive fully pathtraced tech demo of Cyberpunk. I just don't like it when manipulative lying corpos then go and try to bully tech journalists for treating it like a tech demo, and not acting like it's the only performance which counts. I think I would've had a much better reception to RT in general if they'd just introduced it the way they're introducing fully pathtraced scenes, and emphasized performance otherwise. Or it's like how I was cooler receiving 3D vcache, because it's a one trick pony, so I may get 5950x anyway. Because I think the average gamer in general doesn't seem to understand not all games use system resources the same way, and DCS World vs Civ 6 vs Cyberpunk vs GTA V is a really good example of that to where you can have all kind of engine limits and resource utilizations, that make any one game not really indicative of the fuller experience, because RAM speed might not matter in lots of games, but some they do, and it's easier to make an informed choice when the answer to does it matter is "sometimes, but maybe....but those times it counts it might count a lot." Like why 5800X3D is literally superior to the 12900ks in certain titles, but other times it loses pretty badly. It isn't always that it's just "faster" or "better" but it performs differently, depending on engine and title etc. Honestly I'm a bit shocked how much compatability there is at all sometimes. Maybe for all my bitching, it would be so much worse in tech if we had a dozen different companies. I guess it's really nice for GPU coolers, but not having standards is such a nightmare. Is why USB existed in the first place I guess. Just crazy the variety we have I guess, and how much the performance is able to vary sometimes. It's part of why the way these brick and mortar companies sadly even Steam system req sometimes is so useless, like "i5 8gb of RAM" is practically meaningless to me at this point, and RAM is definitely an area where SIs like to cheap out on. DCS is a great example why that matters.

All these outlets are bought off, they won't give bad reviews because they won't get review samples anymore. PC gaming is just a complete ripoff nowadays. If Nvidia or AMD thinks I am going to pay $600 for a midrange GPU they are out of their mind. My next "upgrade" will be the next Nintendo Switch.

The advantage of being a gamer since the 1990's is that I don't need a reminder, I remember very well.

Inflation, economic depression, supply chain issues, etc… I personally think it’s crazy how people keep going “Back in the day…”

@@aj0413_ the only crazy thing is how gullible you are

​@@aj0413_ I was just thinking this

My 6800xt is really great rn.

I am still using a 5700xt. Its not bad and i actually gain some benefit from AMDs FSR feature which allowed me to play diablo 4 bwta relatively smooth

You forgot that 6800xt eats more power than a 4070

Strix LC 6800xt here and it's a killer card.

​@@danieldaniel1210more powah means more better?

Imagine undervolting the 4070.. Ive seen people with the 4070 under load eating 130W...

I mean if i had 6800xt i would definitely undervolt, as long as it is at max 250w id be fine with it...

@@TheSelfAwakeningyou can also undervolt the 4070

@@lachlanokeefe8020 I got the 4070 for a while now, and sure enough, consumption under load is 130W... Eats as much as most cpu's.....

i just bought a 6950xt, planning on cranking it down to around 250w

Yeah I have people saying i'm crazy thinking the 6800xt performs on par with a 3080ti now, but it does.

so from now on when a game releases crap full of issues and devs upgrade it for “free” i expect you to say this too right? Unless ofc if its not AMD it doesnt matter 😂😂

@@Freestyle80 6800XT didn't launch as crap. It launched as a 3080 competitor, and now it's a 3080ti competitor. If a game launches as a 9/10 and then 2 years laters becomes a 10/10 for free, then yeah, we're all going to celebrate that. Look at Terraria. Over a decade of free support adding tons of new features and content.

I picked one up a few weeks before Thanksgiving for $540, and have no regrets picking the 6800xt

Snagged a factory OC'ed Asrock Rx 6800xt Taichi running at 2.49ghz for 520$ so far its running better than many Rx 6900xt's I feel lucky!.

just bought a 4070, ill also be giving an update in 5 years

how's it working so far? @@waltert9

As someone with a 1080 just looking into the available upgrade options, I think you’re right. It’s hilarious to wade through all the negativity and entitlement online, but that’s largely par for the course for social media these days. Sure, I’d prefer it to be cheaper, but ultimately the power and efficiency of the 4070 will give a huge performance boost over my current card.

​@@plain-bagelim in the same boat, 1080 here. Was looking at a 4070ti for 1000$ but realizing i dont need that extra performance, however i cant go under 700$ for a 4070 in sweden atm, even on black friday.. oh well

The 4070 really is in a bad spot because the card itself *IS* very good, but the starting price was fucked and now everyone just blanket dislikes the 40 series. As a $500-$550 card to upgrade to from a previous gen, lower spec card, it's *fine*.

it always performed well on release it was plus or minus 5% on regular rasterization performance against the 3080 now it competes near 3080ti with its fine wine drivers. people were just so focused on 30 series that even when we finally had on par competition in the gpu market they still bought 30series

@@zackmandarino1021 The mind share is strong, I'm trying very hard to go AMD and love the fine wine that is historically proven. But that fucking little voice in my head always inches me towards Nvdia and I hate it. I really wanted AMD to knock the RX 7000 series out of the park and take the performance crown with their MCM design but they came up short of the hypothetical performance targets that were possible for the 7900 XTX which would have a 5-10% performance ADVANTAGE over the 4090. They ended up coming in at 80-90% in Rasterization performance, so nearly 15-25% lower than their own targeted goals. They are at least less expensive, but not by a large enough discount that gamers are happy and having them fly off of the shelves like they had the potential to do. I get it, oversupply and market demand and all that. But it really was a missed opportunity to capture the high-end market and mind share.

thats probably because the 4070 is a 60 series card or 50 series card with old 80 series pricing.

@@androidx99 This is exactly why I personally see Intel as the future. Why compete for the best card when you can compete with last generations cards for half the price? I understand that many people want the best card, but for almost everything the best card is way overkill.

@@kius5033 sadly I'm lik e 1 good bf game away from spending 12oo on a 4080. But no bf and gta 6 no need

Yeah absolutely loved it!

your gpu would not hold up to metro exodus enhanced edition

I've been running my trusty 970 since that card launched, upgrading from a 660 TI. Every GPU generation I've been looking to upgrade, but I've always held back. 2080 due to RTX being experimental and overpriced. 3080 due to supply issues with covid 4080 due to the price and the 4090 being too tempting in comparison... though I never bit the bullet. I just started doing UE5 game development and my 3.5GB VRam is crippling me on my 970, so I'm finally pulling the trigger. Honestly the 970 is such a legendary card and has kept up at 1080p and even some games at 1440p for so long. But now AAA games and technical programs just destroy it. Gonna be a hell of a leap for me, and will finally get to use my 144hz 1440p monitor to its full potential.

​@rugbyf0rlife I've been using my 970 for 9 years. It's been an absolute machine. I'm kinda sad to replace it actually but it's time for a total overhaul. I'm hoping to still find a use for it and the entire old machine in some capacity because it all still works

​@@rugbyf0rlifeI'm still running 2GB GTX 960 and you basically perfectly described what I've been going through as well. The jump is going to be insane, but hey, at least the 960 can still hold a candle to most AAA games... aside from Cyberpunk 2077 and similarly demanding titles 😅

What card do you have now? The 6800 XT seems like a nice upgrade for a 1080ti.

Yeah, you can get it for a lot cheaper than the 4070 (atleast in Europe)

I've got a 6900xt and it's been great.

I just got myself a 6700xt up from a 2060 and it feels like every game runs like butter

@@nightfr09 6950xt here, picked it up for about $700. thing is fllying even when undervolted.

Good snag. I got my 2080 new and it still performs like a champ.

Damn that is a good deal

3080Ti for 75% msrp factory sealed. Pretty happy about it.

Uh? Isn’t the point of the video that this is mostly 3080 at a lower price?

nope the 70 usually equaled 80 ti performance of last gen

Are you happy with the 4070? Looking forward to buy one too

Bro same I wanted to buy a used 3080 to replace my old 1080 but I wasn't feeling like changing my PSU

@@mjtomsky6387 Yes, specifically the Asual Dual OC model. I think it has one of the best coolers of all time. It stays at 33c at idle without the fans even spinning. Great energy efficiency for a card that is 3080-level.

@@suspectedcrab Aight thank you, do you have multiple monitors? If you do, may I know the resolution and if your gpu is struggling with these?

could you tell me what CPU you use with the 4070 pls ?

I’ve had my 6800 xt for a while now and it’s been a great buy. No issues, plenty of performance, and vram. I don’t feel like it’s too much money or going to be obsolete soon.

I'm thinking of upgrading from my RTX 3060 TI and getting the RX 6800 XT. I can see 8GB of VRAM isn't going to cut it. It's fine if I can still play on 1080p but I'm already seeing that games are going to require probably 10 to 12gb of VRAM. Also the RX 6800 XT is a more powerful GPU and sometimes I play games at 1440p or 4K. What I'll probably do is swap out the RX 580 4GB in my wife computer and put the RTX 3060 ti in that and then my main system will be the RX 6800 XT.

@@Lucromis My issues were coil whine, drivers and micro stutter. But i found that undervolting the card got rid of coil whine and switching to a display port got rid of micro stutter and saving my overclock/undervolt settings sorted out the drivers. So in the beginning i was semi regretting my purchase thinking i should've got the 3080 but now i am experiencing perfect gaming with no issue at all.

6800XT was my favorite GPU I’ve owned, moved on to the XTX but 6800xt still holds up really well 😊

Same. And after seeing the issues the 3070/3080 were having with their VRAM in modern games, I knew I made a good choice. I was also laughing at the 1080 performance comparison because that's what I upgraded from. The only gripe I have is that I can't get consistent updates on AMD Adrenaline. Not sure what the issue is, but considering most of the driver updates now are focused on the 7000 series, it's not a big deal. I do miss GeForce Experience though. But overall I couldn't be happier.

You should still look at numbers from other people. Everyone makes mistakes, all people have a price, everybody lies. Linus himself says that you shouldn't trust them blindly, and he's more than right with that.

@@Donnerwamp if he himself lies then it's possible he is lying about lying. Makes you think.

​@@Donnerwamp yeah the point being blindly believing anyone is completely foolish

@@oaw117 no, no NO… I will not waste 2 hours thinking about this now

Except other reviewers have higher quality benchmarking. Just flat out.

I just bought a 4070, upgrading from a 1080 as well lmao, gonna set my dad up with my 1080 so we can play some games together.

@@gamingsfinest3356how’d it go?

His dad owned him on 4fortnight

My 1080ti was a fucking beast sadly I came across a nasty deal for the 4070 and bought it for 500$ flat no tax so I just had to bite the bullet

It just isn't fast enough for the cost - especially with the efficiency of the 40 series. I'm skipping both, however. Until they make the 4080 $800, nothing is worth upgrading my 6900 XT over.

@@redpilljesus Why would you even want to upgrade your 6900XT? That card is fast as hell and I don't see a reason why you would need to upgrade it so soon.

Same, i got a founders 3080 for $700 during peak rona era, and i really don't feel like the 40 series is making any compelling arguments for an upgrade (which I'm happy about, no FOMO)

Yeah, just wait until nvidia crash and burn with these prices...

@@josephjoestar515 idk man. 1st world things. I have a 3090 but for content creation I've thought abt upgrading because AV.1 encoding is 😩

With almost half the power draw

@@jaydeep-p and frame generation

Honestly with my psu that might be the selling point for me personally.

People who is going to buy 3080 now has a better "3080". Meanwhile, people who bought a 3080 last month now suffer from buyer's remorse.

@@jaydeep-p And more price and less bandwidth🤦🤦

It's definitely not the most accurate but, I use the 4k stats for VR. Unforunately, VR-GPU Testing should have its own production as the variables in resolution differs considerably between headsets (even for high end models), as I'm sure you know. But, couldn't agree more! Need more VR data, especially nowadays!

It even has a 192 bit bus just like every other 60 series.

4070ti was supposed to be the 4070 and the 4070 was supposed to be a 4060. Skipping this generation. Not paying 600 for a 4060.

In a world where nvidia isn't as greedy as they are today this card would be the 4060 and it'd be priced appropriately. Not here tho

I am glad that got 4070ti for 830 euro. Not counting the vram it is faster than 3090

cant wait for an rtx 4040 with a 64 bit bus which will cost 369.99 and will be on par with a 2060, truly impeccable value

GTX 1070 here. It's still good for my current PC & monitor, but I can't uprade when the 3070 is still 600-1100 € in my country 😔

My 980Ti is old enough to be in second grade and I haven't yet felt particularly compelled to upgrade it. 45-55 fps in Cyberpunk 2077 at 2560x1080 with all the non-RT eye candy cranked to ultra is still good enough for me, for now.

@@phaolo6 Just get a used one. The Radeon 6000 series used are way cheaper than 3000nvidia where I live. Just gotta be smart about it.

My fellow 1080 brothers! Stand strong!

@@ntzt2150 I kinda dislike buying used tech, because it's a gamble. You never know what crap they did with it. Maybe they stressed it to the limit or dropped it _(wink)_ But well, maybe I'll have to adapt..

I keep telling people Nvidia is only better at the very top end ie (4090) if you don't need the very tippy top in terms of performance AMD is better (also RT is very overrated I've never noticed much benefit from using it) if you're on a budget AMD demolishes Nvidia Edit: Also to you Linux users out there AMD is generally better than Nvidia due to better driver compatibility

I’m still happy with my 6700 XT it’s not even overclocked but meets all my needs

@@u2popmart And with AMD finewine you may have it for a while. My brother is STILL using his 8GB RX 480 Red Devil that he bought at it's launch and it's still going strong. Now, he is cheap and it is very old, but his card is a great example of AMD aging cards. His card is impressive. I am the idiot who went out and bought an RTX 4080.

and VRAM I mean, it's still shame on NVIDIA but the fact of the matter is that there is a lot of performance left on the table with the 8 GB framebuffer on 30-series cards.

​@@gokublack8342 well they are also better at the 499$ price point with the 4070 if you are playing with Raytracing and frame generation supported games. Otherwise just get the rx6650 or rx 6800 and be happy or if you want to be really cheap the rx6500 and turn on and use custom interlaced resolutions.

It's shocking after all this time it's only a 60% difference.

it is shocking.

I mean, even the comparison itself is weird. Thats just goes to show how amazing 1000series was all around..!! Well, seems like ill keep rocking my 1080 too, unless i find an amazing 3070 used deal.

those 1080 boards man, those were gold!

I'm still on 1070, with a 1440p monitor. But considering a new AMD GPU soon.

I am laughing my ass off with my A770. 37% less performance @4k while it costs ~289$ vs 600$.

You're impressed about a duopoloy where AMD is not competing and always diving 1% under the price of Nvidia so they can both keep fleecing consumers. Good for you I guess.

Yeah I have switched from 3070 to 6950XT and I had a great deal to switch to 7900xtx and I'm super happy - dont care about dlss I just want raw 4K gaming 😊

Battlemage will be fun

​@@doniscoming 4k is only good for the desktop space ngl. Anything past 1800p isn't worth it unless you refuse to enable antialiasing

It's been a lot more attractive since they lowered the price, for sure.

That was definitely the right move. 12go of VRAM is not enough even for 1440p resolution these days as I am consistently getting more than 12go on last of us, fh5, re4 or hogwarts

the 7900xt and 7900xtx outperform it anyway, even in some raytracing scenarios, so you should feel fine/good with your choice.

What cpu are u using if i can ask. Im curently thinking about upgrading from my gtx1080 to a 7900xt and maybe wanna pair it with a 5900x

@@lucidlucifer8605 Ryzen 7 3700X

The hardware in the Arc cards is solid, it's the drivers that (mostly) suck. That's the secret sauce when it comes to real world performance these days. We're well beyond the days of just throwing more transistors at the problem (at least to the degree it used to be). Writing good optimised code is the real magic.

Arc a770 16GB is actually really good, most games can run with the settings on highest and still achieve 60fps even if that is with XeSS or FSR. I'm maxing out Hogwarts with ray tracing at 4k and still getting playable frame rates. Lots of Nvidia and AMD cards can't even do that due to a lack of VRAM on Nvidia's side and a lack of ray tracing on AMDs. Intel is the sweet spot right now and I only expect future launches to be even better

​@Chronometer I hope that's not mostly ownership bias, but it does make me hopeful for the mainstream market. It's no problem in my eyes if Nvidia screws off and creates some kind of "luxury gaming" tier of the market, as long as there remain compelling offers from other entities.

The thing with Arc is that it's effectively Vega 30, at least according to Chips and Cheese. It's really good when it gets loaded, hence why you'll see how the A770 competes with a 6700XT or a 3070 in TimeSpy, or how when running something stupid like Hogwarts Legacy with RT at native 4K it loses so comparatively little performance that it slumps its way to 3090 tier in some way at 23 FPS to the latter's 25 (going off of day one TPU review). The problem is that games aren't synthetic benchmarks, and most people tune their settings to match their card. So, while an A380 beats a 1060 and almost matches a 580 on Cyberpunk at 1080p Medium, most PC gamers don't want to play it at 36 FPS. So the settings go down to low, and the A380 gets around 50 FPS while the latter two get 70+. Arc is like a random grab bag of candy you get on Halloween, and you hit up every non-normal neighborhood in town. You'll get great candy in small amounts from the rich. Someone will home make some surprisingly good chocolate. A person will slip in Tootsie Rolls with razor blades and get you in the hospital.

Honestly the only reason I'm not buying an arc is the lack of support for legacy games, of which I have 500+. I might just make a legacy computer and use an arc or AMD build for new games post 2020.

underrated fact 💯

This! I appreciate it so much lol. Maybe I'm just picky or maybe I'm holding channels to higher standards.

i just got new Bluetooth earphone modules and i found myself testing them on LTT videos. i second that.

For like 90% of tech, absolutely, just don't trust his advice on monitors, man has been misleading in that department more than once.

@@Zer0--Zer0 in what way do you mean?

You made me feel better about myself , in my country 4070 ti goes up to 1600 dollars , yes so I just spent 1600 dollars on a 4070ti

@@codeman8113 I'm not quite sure how I helped, but I am happy to be of service 😄

@@Kristian.H.Nielsen you being happy with a 4070 made me feel better haha

I'm in a similar boat, my GTX 1080 is starting to show its age and the only GPU that is at least twice as good as my 1080 that will fit in my case is a 4070. So now the question is do I buy now or wait and see what AMD has to offer with their mid range RDNA 3 ?

@@Sid-CannonJust an opinion from a stranger on the internet, so take it for what's it worth: If you actually need the extra performance today - go for it. Assess your needs and base your choice on what meets your criteria. It's hard to make a decision based on a GPU which doesn't exist.

Plus, then you could switch from bar charts to the much more pleasing dot and whisker style plots.

@@jackrametta I suggested using distribution curves for some of their frame data as well, rather than multiple bars for different values. they seem to respond to criticism of their data presentation with the defence that it needs to be widely understood and there are simply too many normies who wont understand high quality data for it to be worthwhile.

@@jonathanodude6660 Lol that sounds about right. I have no idea what a distribution curve or whisker plot is.

@@kanjakan just a normal distribution/bell curve (google it). It’s pretty self explanatory when you look at it, but it’s hard to describe. It’s essentially a plot of frequency vs value. You’d have your frame rates as the x axis, same as their current bar charts, then the y axis will be what percentage of the total time spent testing was spent at each frame rate. If you had each test rig colour coded and semi transparent, then overlaid them, it would provide heaps of immediate visual information about what to expect for each setup. It would look like upside down “U” shapes with varying curvatures where the further to the right the peak is and the less spread the curve is, the better. I don’t think it requires collecting any more information than they do already.

and Ivone with banana for scale :D

Then there was Aevone with the banana!

literally

ok?

not sure where you are based but in the UK there is only a small difference in price acorss 6800, 6900 (used) and if you are wanting new ive seen some good deals on 6950xt. Worth a look!

I'm in the same boat

Still rocking a 1070! Watercool and tune the balls off it. it's like a Fiesta XR2i (hopefully without the stolen and crashed in a ditch bit).

Just upgraded to the 6800 XT a month ago (From a 2070 Super) and it was well worth it. I'd be lying if I said I didn't have to do some tuning with software to get it up to standards but that was mainly my own fault with not keeping my PC well optimized over the past 3 years. I bought this rather than the 6950 XT because the thermals and power consumption are infinitely better, and imo, that outweighs the raw "value per frame" advantage that the 6950 has. 6800 XT is plenty enough to run all my games at 1440p with max graphics settings, would recommend.

there are no "teams" ..... you just buy what makes more sense ;-)

They need to add the 6900xt

@@Aznrob869 They need to add all cards dating back to 1999 (GeForce 256's release date).

They should also add the 3080 ti & that would make the 4070 look even worse. Anyone who took advantage of back-to-school free upgrades from base 3080 to 3080 ti on pre-built sites made off like bandits & RT/DLSS can't hide that comparison. Wait in a few months when Nvidia ends the rebate program to AIB partners for initial 4070 sales & the price jumps will make this card a hard pass.

​@@SirWolf2018 cards? What about iGPU and SOCs???!?!?!?

@@amistrophy :D

Damn funny

This joke is older then I can remember

Say my name

so according to this logic if a card could pull down 2,000 fps, they should've cost 2k$ right? what about 4,000 fps then I wonder.

@@redfoottttt you take the price of any given gpu and divide it by the number of frames per second it on average generates in a given game, on a given set of video settings, then you get different price per frame values

Relative to the flagship cards, 90 series, the 4070 is MUCH worse perf/$ than the 3070 was.

Fine wine was because they were using the same base tech for years. So they could bring the improvements from later GPUs to older ones

I'm just now upgrading from my R9 390. Outside of driver conflicts, I've been able to run pretty much anything at 1080p on it. Have a 3060 coming in tomorrow tho

yeah, I remember Rx 580 8GB being equal to a GTX 1060 6GB when was released. But now performs like a 1070 if not slighly better. Same story with the RX 570

It also helped that both ps4 and xbox one were GCN based and since almost every game is designed primarily for console, almost every game engine ended up being optimized for that architecture

ran those in crossfire for years loved it!

you aint missing much on RT, its woo for 10 mins then unnoticeable.

Even better when you see how good the 16 GB of vram of AMD cards like my 6800 xt have aged compared with the 8 or 10 from the 30 series from nvidia 🥰

Lol, keep believing that.

@@markmanderson with the launch of rtx remix a lot of titles are going to need that rt performance though

​@@Tovek believing what ?? Nvidia is just nothing more then money hungry and it's all thanks to you guys... the consumers who keep picking up with there crap 👍

Or you can get a used AMD card

@@antonhelsgaun nope lol

Well, DLSS 3.0 is kinda neat, but idk if thats worth €300

Why would it cost 800€? The 4070ti can be had for 880-900, I am expecting this to cost 650-700. Also note that comparing new vs used cards is a bit unfair in the price department. edit: it can be had for 659€, officially and on third party sites such as caseking, if you are in germany, ofcourse regional variances apply.

Can we truly say it's similar performance when dlss 3 fakes frames between gpu rendered fps to make it sound better?

But the thing is, is that a 4070 is significantly outgunned by a 6950XT, while the latter costs about the same. I’m looking at a build and I simply want the most raw performance. CPU will be an 7600X but it’s really hard to decide what GPU.

Why not XTX bro?

If you can afford the extra money, buy the 7900 XTX instead.

if you turn on dlss3 and ray tracing its gets clobbered but to each their own

@@jette24 what also gets clobbered is your wallet by spending almost double the price just for a AI crutch

@@jette24 Pretty sure that 7900XT is faster than 4070 even with RT. And DLSS 3 simply isn't mature right now.

Just because Ngreedia didn't meet your expectations with this card does not mean they did anything illegal lol. Don't know if you were being serious with that or not.

My 1080 is still goin strong too lol

COPIUM

my brother in-law is using my brothers old 1080, has no complaints about hogwarts legacy and is enjoying it with his son / he is a big board game guy but his friends kids and friends (now that kids are older) are starting to dip into video games again

my 1080 TI startin to really struggle these days lol this 4070 looks juicy tbh

My 1080Ti is still strong. Will most likely upgrade my 9th gen/1080Ti system when 14th/15th gen comes out and will pair nicely with a greatly reduced in price 4090 :D

Second hand 6800XT & 6900/6950XT are amazing value.

@@paulelderson934 I didn't get second hand tho. It was a refurbished model with 2 year warranty but yea the second hand market is crazy rn in my region. I can see there's still that refurbished model available for like $400 now

It should get more powerful as they continue to improve the drivers too

and mor VRAM

​@@gokublack8342 6900xt seem matured enough

i highly recommend the 6800xt if you build before the new gen AMD cards come out!! i love mine to death. got it a few weeks ago and it rips 1440p

What I find amazing is that the 6800XT is about 14% ahead in performance in 1080p. That's similar to the difference between 6800 and 6800 XT. So given that the 6800 always has been faster than a 3070... it's like Nvidia just closed the gap to their competitor's last gen with a whole new generation. It's terrible to see that. Especially considering that you can a 6800 for $500 or even less. Even if someone wants to get an Nvidia GPU, it might even make more sense to wait for next generation. It's unlikely they can make a worse deal than this time. Otherwise AMD just offers the better deal currently. I'm definitely happy with my 6800. Also having 16GB of VRAM can be pretty handy when ray tracing gets used more. Because it actually requires more VRAM in practice which is something Nvidia won't tell you before selling 12GB or less.

@@drew3045 thanks for the advice! I am upgrading to transition from 1080 to 1440 so glad to hear it performs!

Might as well get a Ryzen to go with it

@@lathrin I just might! But the bang for buck on the 13600k is pretty enticing so we will see.

what can we say... we voted with our wallet. Look at Intel...thanks AMD.... and now look at Nvidia. Nvidia stock is trading too high compare to their P/E because everyone think they're unbeatable now.

It's capitalism. They're simply doing what all companies do. They are actually obligated to by their shareholders. The prices are high because people are willing to buy them at that price. Be angry at the buyers. They're the ones causing the price rise. Not the company.

@@e5211 Bad press is part of capitalism, and covering for a company like you're doing doesn't help anything.

Do you mind share the source of this record?

yeah , actually, if nobody would buy the cards, they would have no choice than lower the price, the fact is there are still people who buy at that price personally i will keep my 2070S until a better deal

15% slower on average while costing 40% less

yeah this is an ideal upgrade for me, considering i was on a 2060 (broken 1080 was still on warranty, but there were no more in stock in 2018, so i had to buy something with the money i got back, and it was all i could afford) and i am buying a 1440p 240hz monitor.

Compared to people paying double or more for 3060ti 3070 and 3070ti 3080 your way better off the limited vram of those cards will severely limit there longeitivity in modern aaa games compared to the much beefier 16gb vram and its raterization performance is nothing to scoff at it was amd second strongest gpu at the time afterall.

AMD has been gorgeous for software updates, I have a rx580 and I got through the years: Freesync / VR, Sharpening for upscaling, FSR. This GPU still rocks for the resolutions it was made and even stretches to 1440p with old games or FSR for new ones.

Please stop buying this Kool Aid.. It isn't the software updates, its the larger VRAM sizes. Please go watch Hardware Unboxed 3070 vs RX 6800 2023 revisit to see some eye opening stuff!

I knew that it would happen, especially considering the RTX 3080's tiny 10GB frame buffer.

@@eaman11 My 980ti died recently and I'm temporarily running an RX5500XT - when it's replacement arrives, it'll be an Nvidia card, but I will absolutely miss those AMD drivers, they're so good! Chill is witchcraft, I love it!

RX 6800 XT: about 550 dollars ????? RTX 3080: about 810 dollars ?!?!?!? what the hell? :-O personally I was kinda pissed that my GTX 750Ti couldn't play "Doom Eternal"...so I installed "Binary Domain"...had fun...and didn't spend a penny ;-)

Good choice. I'll be keeping my rx6800 for now

go with 7900 xtx

Hardware Unboxed did a good demonstration of just what happens when you're hitting VRAM limits. Stuttery, unplayable messes where all those cores are meaningless.

some games need 16 gb right now, not 12 12 is not enough for an expensive gpu

Yep… just upgraded my 11900k/3090 rig to 4090 and games like Hogwarts and Last of Us are performing beautifully in 4K Ultra… using 14/24 GB VRAM…. In addition to the generational leap the card is over the 3090 I didn’t consider any other card because none of them have 24GB but the 4090.

Games need more than 8 GB Vram are just badly optimized if you ask me

​@@thestorminmormin1442 It depends on the target resolution, needing more than 12gb at 1440p is a >50% increase for as far as I'm able to tell, no perceptible increase in graphical fidelity... That's definitely worryingly bad from a technical point of view.

Hell, you can get a new one for under $550 if you look in the right places. For a card that has 15% greater performance and more vram as long as you don't whirl up rt to get sub 60 frame rates anyway.

i need a 6900 for the memes

@@Torso6131 even the 30 series wasn’t ready for RT

Yeah, I grabbed my red devil 6800xt new for $513 back in January and I can't believe how good of a decision that was lol. Micro center is the goat for that deal.

I bought mine used for 450$ incredibly worth it! Do it now!

Considering this for an upgrade from 2080ti. 5800x3d, 650w gold psu, and this build will stay on ddr4. I just don’t know if it’s worth.

@6reen6uy I can understand that. I’m at a 1060, so for me the choice is a lot easier :)

@@oatbear8243 also sitting at 1060 but upgraded rest of pc (12700k) and now I wonder between 4070/4070ti and 6800xt

That low wattage is a huge factor in me considering this as an upgrade. ;)

Same here. I currently have an RTX 2060 still does the job haha.

For me the 2070 can't cut it anymore, upgraded to a 1440p 144hz monitor and its a struggle trying to get high refresh rates on any modern AAA games

my factories nver get that big before i get lost. But my gaming laptop doesn't even spin the fans up for it.

And here I'm playing on GTX 980 at 1440p, which unfortunately isn't good enough anymore for lots of games, especially with just 4GB of RAM.

2080Ti, and I have to say, I'd love an upgrade for VR stuff. Aside from that, I'd be happy with a 2070. DLSS is amazing for prolonging anGPUs life.

Interested in upgrading my 2080ti with a 7900xt - very interested in SAM now that I have a 7900 - have you done any testing with and without SAM enabled? Should I go for it? Wanting the upgrade to make the most of a 4K 120Hz LG OLED

same! initially wanted to upgrade to 7900 from 590 but the early price was so high in my country compared to actual MSRP, luckily then i found 6900xt in a very good price, so happy with it now

@@sexyfishproductions eh, could only find 6900xt at 700$. i found a 3080 at 400$ so i think that was better value.

@@sexyfishproductions I know you didn't ask me but it's really up to you if want to turn it on. Usually a 3% performance increase on most games at 4k but some can be up to 15%.

@@sexyfishproductions My 6900xt has a lot less stuttering with SAM, as for direct fps boosts idk, i think it did give me a bunch of fps depending on the game, especially in forza I have a 5800x btw But hey, rezisable bar for nvidia also exists so at the end of the day it depends on what you wanna pay for a card lol

Did you watch it?