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Chapters:
00:00 - Linux On A Microsoft Surface Is AWESOME
01:29 - What works on the device?
01:47 - Why Linux is better than Windows
04:10 - What if it was perfect?
05:04 - How to install Linux on the Surface
06:10 - My personal experience so far
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@MichaelNROH Рік тому
If you have a Surface Pro 7+, 8 or 9 which requires additional drivers, there now is a script available which automatically installs all dependencies for you: github.com/themediocredev/LTSS Currently, only Fedora is officially supported, but the script can easily be altered.
@kevinlamek1935 11 місяців тому
Bonjour, Le tactile ne fonctionne pas nativement pour les surfaces 8 ? Il est obligatoirement nécessaire d'installer le script ? ---- Hello, The touchscreen does not work natively for surfaces 8? Is it necessary to install the script ?
@nortonis3565 2 місяці тому
Thank you for the information. It is only Surface Pro 7, think the basic version with 4gb and i3 10th gen cpu. I have Mint on in now and i like it a lot, but a little sad about non function touch.
@giusn Рік тому
I have a Surface Book 2. I just installed Fedora 36 and HOLY COW! Basically everything works perfectly, including the detach, the camera and the pen. The pen even works better than in Windows 11 with Xournal++.
@BenjaminWheeler0510 Рік тому
@fernando henriques camera compatibility doesn’t work for anything yet
@BenjaminWheeler0510 Рік тому
@fernando henriques but, I have the same issue with the pen (Surface Pro 7)
@memeperor_ Рік тому
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!!! I mean I'm using an HP Envy x360 convertible and ParrotOS, but xournal++ and Write (by stylus labs) were the first and only 2 notetaking apps I've tried thus far, and they're both INFINITELY better than any notetaking app I've ever used in the past 5 years on Windows, obviously including OneNote. And I've tried just about every single notetaking app in existence on Windows. It's so frustrating, mindblowing, and also amazing (now that I'm actually using linux) that some random linux dudes make better software than multi-billion dollar companies like microsoft...
@vixxo548 Рік тому
@giusn How is the battery ? How many hours ?
@shrirammadurantakam Рік тому
@@memeperor_ include rnote in the list its also great
@mstarOnYT Рік тому
Got myself a Surface Go 3 for Uni last year and Fedora works way better then Windows. Everything except for the cameras worked just as expected. Now, with the latest kernel release from the linux-surface team those work too. Need a bit of fine-tuning, but they work good enough already. Am happy with my choice
@aleckbo Рік тому
Do you dual-boot? Just curious
@mistercrisper84 Рік тому
@@aleckbo if you have secure boot off, yes you can have grub to handle it but only with secure boot off or signed kernels. So yes, dual boot is possible.
@LazyPCRehab Рік тому
How are the speakers and battery life? Just picked up a base model for a crazy good price and thinking about trying to install to a Micro SD card and making grub boot to it.
@mistercrisper84 Рік тому
@@LazyPCRehab camera not working - touch not properly functional sometimes - Bluetooth freezes and doesn't keep settings - pen not working - speakers were performing very well audio was very good. I had latest Fedora and latest surface kernel for my surface pro 7 - still a lot of job but progressing very fast. Battery life? Well battery life was just incredibly long, it had a very very very well balanced and long lasting power setup. 2 days without charging and still 60 % of course not all hardware is fully functional, but it's impressive 😍
@IhateCCP Рік тому
@@mistercrisper84 wow ok. I have fedora 36 and 37(beta) on Surface Pro 4. Touchscreen not working. I am reading about the right kernel. Will try again.
@jasper2virtual Рік тому
Microsoft ：Why Surface is better than Apple silicon MacBook? Linux User ：because it can run Linux
@DMSBrian24 Рік тому
Asahi devs be like: hold my beer
@Julian_H Рік тому
Got a Surface Go 3 and installed ubuntu on it - I'd be lying if I said I had no issues, but after getting most things resolved it's now almost a perfect device for a cs student. Great for taking notes with xournal++, plus all the benefits of development you get with linux, and considering the low specs it's all very smooth.
@dandiaz19934 11 місяців тому
I love and really appreciate your honesty man!
@michelparker9215 8 місяців тому
I've installed Kali Linux on my Surface Pro 7, but the resolution isn't compatible. I've tried to change it from settings, but the problem persists. Additionally, in tablet mode, I can't double-click, and I can't zoom in.
@uwuifyingransomware Рік тому
I'm very excited to install linux on my new surface, it's a bit of a learning curve since I've never used things like shim for validation. Was initially going to install it with arch (that's what I use on my desktop), I did try that and had some issues with secureboot and shim, going to try again but I have to say fedora does look appealing for this purpose.
@mistermistero652 Рік тому
I have arch running on my surfacebook 2, but i dont have secureboot enabled
@coffeeflush5313 Рік тому
Subscribed due to this video. For me lack of camera support is the negative, but as soon as that is added, I am moving away. Win 11 killed my tablets performance and battery. But really looking forward to this. Great video, look forward to your content.
@kerimtim 10 місяців тому
5:32 Wow I never thought that this setting would be hidden deep down there, I've been trying this all day. Thank you man
@MyurrDurr Рік тому
I love Fedora too! Somehow it only uses 6gb of storage space on my laptops SSD upon install! Really great
@DrFizzyQuizzler 3 місяці тому
I had the Original Surface Pro back in and around 2015, it came with windows 8 installed, but within about a year I had Ubuntu installed on it. almost nothing worked, even the WIFI was not working and I had to buy a wifi dongle for it. but it was amazing to me. fast forward about 2 years later and almost everything worked with the stock Ubuntu Kernel. glad to see that I wasn't the only one crazy enough to do this.
@brettdent1540 Рік тому
Awesome video! Installing Fedora as I type this! Looking forward to the power profiles so hopefully will prevent eating my battery life.
@EeshanShukla Рік тому
Loved this video. Never thought about buying a Surface before this. Thanks
@fennecbesixdouze1794 Рік тому
The tough part for me here is longevity. I bought a Chromebook in a similar circumstance and lucked out: I bought it because it was very cheap and people had patched the Linux kernel to support all the hardware on it so I figured I could run Linux. For a while it was a bit frustrating to use the patched kernel, because it took a while to bring down upstream changes. Luckily within a few years, the hardware on my Chromebook was supported natively on the Linux kernel itself, and I could abandon the custom patched kernel. As long as it is relatively promising that hardware support for these devices will make their way upstream into the Linux kernel itself at some point, I'd be comfortable purchasing a Surface tablet to run Linux. However, I'm a bit wary as I don't know how sure of a thing that is. If for some reason the hardware support doesn't make its way upstream, or the developers on surface-kernel abandon the project, I'd be left a sad camper.
@MichaelNROH Рік тому
Using a more niche product like a "Tablet"-PC and Lightweight laptops will probably always result in more of a hassle. But this isn't exclusive to Linux. In my case, even Windows has major flaws when not using a custom Surface version. A regular Windows installation with the typically ISO, will have no touchscreen, camera or some additional feature support. It's more the nature of the device itself, in my opinion
@johnsmith6024 Рік тому
I don't think you need to worry about longevity or the custom kernel getting abandoned. I've been running Debian on my Pro 7 for over a year now and the developer is very active and pushes updates basically weekly. He's even had a bunch of people join him since I started using it so he is no longer alone on the project. It even had a fork for the Surface ARM devices now that he recomends and links to from his GitHub. And yes he does push all his work upstream to the mainline kernel as well. It just doesn't show up there near as fast.
@daddie212 Рік тому
i tried 2 linux distro on my surface go (manjaro,debian) and now i'm using it with FideOs(chromeOS with android support) and it work wonderfully
@josegarita2718 Рік тому
I own a SP 7, been using Linux and windows hopping that the touch drivers will get better and to have pen support, the developers added pen support a month ago, since then I just removed windows out of my life
@dannygboyo 4 місяці тому
which distro? can you point me towards installation/set-up help/instructions. thank you
@josegarita2718 4 місяці тому
@@dannygboyo man, just install any distro you like, and google how to install the Linux surface kernel
@BrianJones-wk8cx 6 місяців тому
Coming to this a year late, but have been tempted by older Surface devices as potentially cheap play toys, and am happy to hear that even a year ago Fedora was well suited for reinvigorating these devices. I recently picked up a Razer Blade Stealth 2016 and immediately wiped the drive and threw Nobara on it (Glorious Eggroll’s custom “recipe” for Fedora, as it were), and haven’t looked back.
@kote315 Рік тому
I don't like gnome on desktops (I prefer more classic GUIs), but on touch screen it can be really good. Something like this would be the perfect device for me to study (previously) and work (now). That is, I need a small lightweight computer with different physical ports and a fully functional OS. At one time, such devices were netbooks, but now they, as a class of devices, are practically dead. Android tablets are not suitable for me - they usually do not have the necessary ports (usb, ethernet, etc.), and the OS is too limited. Great for fun, but not for work. So a Windows or Linux tablet with a physical keyboard seems ideal. The only problem is that these are either unusable Chinese junk or rather expensive models.
@die_lokki287 5 місяців тому
Why not 14 inch laptop
@linux42069 Рік тому
I really want to get one of these for a drawing tablet. I can't wait until the stylus support gets better
@crimestoppers1877 Рік тому
Thank You. I just viewed EC's YT channel using Linux Mint installed on an old X86 Surface Pro 2. I am very surprised at his work but yours is AMAZING with >> M$ft Surface Pro7 +
@gmt1 Рік тому
I have Fedora 36 stock on an Acer 2-in-1 and everything 'just works'. Touchscreen is good, touchpad gestures fantastic, it even auto-detects when I flip into tablet mode. Battery life is also better without Windows 10 scanning for 'viruses' 12 times in a row everyday. I don't use encryption, but it is free on Linux and not for Windows Home. Much snappier overall. Recently switched to Fedora 36 on my Windows 11 desktop and its great (although I can't get Davinci Resolve working at all).
@MichaelNROH Рік тому
I made a video about Davinci Resolve
@gmt1 Рік тому
@@MichaelNROH Thanks man, most up-to-date guide I've seen lol. Doesn't help me personally, though. Gotta mess with AMD Pro drivers and Kernal versions that risk borking my system so I gave up. Using Kdenlive now but its color correction is absolute garbage.
@asterix908 3 місяці тому
Thanks for the video. one of the very few videos on surface pro and linux. I recently picked up a used surface pro 6 just to run linux on it. I picked the pro 6 based on the compatibility matrix for linux support. One of my requirements was to have a working camera for zoom meeting. Looking forward to installing and using linux on this thing.
@ajayvishvanathan1991 2 місяці тому
So, the is camera working on SP6 right? I’m looking to tinker my SP6 as well. But I mostly use it for photoshop.
@toucan221 10 місяців тому
I am not a laptop fan, but after watching this, it looks exciting, look like worth doing. Thank you Michael ❤❤
@mistercrisper84 Рік тому
Thank you man you've just convinced me going to Linux... Well my uefi is locked I have to send it back for a replacement to boot any custom kernel. Yesterday I've just tried Ubuntu with generic kernel wow I am amazed, true: Linux on surface is 10000 smoother, safe and powerful than Windows. I'm pretty sure full Linux support is coming soon for surface users.
@Duesi2024 Рік тому
Also installed fedora on my SGO3. Windows Explorer and overall performance FU**ed me up. I'm Quote happy now. Camera isn't Wirkung yet, but not a big deal.
@vladislavkaras491 10 місяців тому
Huh... Did not expect to use Linux that easy on a Windows device :D Thanks for the video!
@pointlessco.6363 Рік тому
I have had ubuntu running for like 1.5 years (just upgraded from ubuntu 21.04 to 22.04) on my Surface Pro. It's really great other than the fact that both my cameras don't work. It got me into linux.
@dandiaz19934 11 місяців тому
damn, it wasn't able to find compatible drivers for it?? :(
@michelparker9215 8 місяців тому
I've installed Kali Linux on my Surface Pro 7, but the resolution isn't compatible. I've tried to change it from settings, but the problem persists. Additionally, in tablet mode, I can't double-click, and I can't zoom in.
@schotoka Рік тому
Nice video. Thx a lot. I am looking for a Distro to install on my Sony Vaio Tapp 11 Tablet. It is a great device but at this moment I feel like Windows is not an optimal OS for the light use of it. Question is Ubuntu or Fedora.
@PearComputingDevices Рік тому
I bought a Probook 845 g8 x360 with the Ryzen 7 5850u... I installed Ubuntu 22.00 plus the Hp dev one driver pack from Pop OS and everything just work great on it and yes very fast, snappy. 8 cores, 16 threads and 16 gb of ram you would hope it would be. While I didn't buy it for the 2 in 1 format, it also works great. It's essentially the guts of the dev one in a 2 in 1 after all.
@encapsulatio Рік тому
I can't find anything named Probook 845
@PearComputingDevices Рік тому
@@encapsulatio I am probably a little off on the specific model number but it's an 8th gen of that series. Not highly important to the take away of that APU. You could put that same APU as AMD calls them in to any other model and pretty much have a linux compatible rocket at your fingertips. Now that's more to the important point.
@alternatuber6698 Рік тому
4:43 this tool is very handy thanks for the info
@MarkGereau Рік тому
Great video! very entertaining and so much good information.
@Atticore 3 місяці тому
I tried doing this a few years ago and almost nothing worked, especially the touch screen, which was a no go for me since I use it primarily as a drawing tablet. Seeing that it's finally possible is so exciting, because a surface pro with linux is exactly the kind of laptop and drawing tablet i've always wanted! If only clip studio worked better on linux...
@adamgarlow5347 8 місяців тому
I'm going to do this with my surface book 1 today with Gnome/Manjaro (I'm used to manjaro from other devices). Any recommendations on a OneNote alternative that recognizes the pen with palm rejection?
@MichaelNROH 8 місяців тому
There's Xournal++ which is similar, but it takes some adjustments
@thedocbryantshow Рік тому
I've been running Fedora on a Surface Pro 3, and it works wonderfully. I want to put an Arch based distro on there, but for some reason none of the Arch based distros recognize the Wifi hardware for the Surface. But, hey. Fedora is working just fine for the time being.
@dregerdroger8326 Рік тому
Hi, did you also experience random touch screen or device freeze? Only Reboot solves it for me and happens a lot ... Got the Surface 3 (non pro) Thx
@jamescameron1861 Рік тому
My Surface 4 Pro has cooling issues on Windows 10. It seems that things have come a long way since I last checked. Excited to ditch Windows on my Surface as well. I would also agree that Gnome seems a better fit than Windows on touch hardware
@BigDaddyJoe2k3 Рік тому
Did u switch over? If so, how do u like it? I also have a SP4 and plan on doing this.
@black_horse_lover2655 Рік тому
Were you able to get touch to work? I’ve been really struggling with that.
@gordon3002 Рік тому
@@black_horse_lover2655 I’ve also been struggling with touch, I’ve been getting ghost touches everywhere. Had any luck getting it to work ?
@black_horse_lover2655 Рік тому
@@gordon3002 Not yet. I haven’t been able to get any sort of touch at all. But I’m not too smart and I’ve seen other people get it, so don’t give up!
@sujeewa8067 Рік тому
Linux is getting better for every single thing! Yay go linux!
@enriquelnx Рік тому
I've used Linux for years and i never thought I would say this.. But you really convinced me to buy a Surface. At least, is there another tablet that allows you to install Linux?
@z21c.ch1 7 місяців тому
Would this work for a Windows Surface RT?
@ttoommxxmmoott Рік тому
Endeavour OS (arch based) works wonderfully on SP5. However, touchscreen is really not great, doesn't really get input well at all. And the cameras don't work on browsers, you can create some sort of backloop but that's a pain in the ass and actually doesn't work anymore. So I suggest put Linux on it exclusively if you want to REVIVE your laptop, but otherwise don't, at least yet..
@scarletscarlet800 Рік тому
Damn I was so excited to get a surface laptop go 2 with arch +gnome.
@michelparker9215 8 місяців тому
I've installed Kali Linux on my Surface Pro 7, but the resolution isn't compatible. I've tried to change it from settings, but the problem persists. Additionally, in tablet mode, I can't double-click, and I can't zoom in.
@speedyfox9080 Рік тому
This is sure to be cool. I owned a surface but next I sold it because I got in love with my Thinkpad
@SriHarshaChilakapati Рік тому
This is a really good news! Being a person who didn't want to be as bleeding edge as Arch, for my laptop I went with Manjaro KDE although I did use Arch with i3 on my work laptop before and still am using Ubuntu for my web server. Maybe I should try Fedora sometime, but main GNOME kinda keeps me away because of its radical shift in UX decisions. I'm very used to using menus from Global Menu (I keep them away from window, but still use them from keyboard with Plasma HUD) in KDE Plasma, so not sure if GNOME will work for my needs. How are you finding GNOME usable? Especially since you rely on Video Editing so heavily and all video editors I know of like Kdenlive, Shotcut etc., are full blown with menus?
@MichaelNROH Рік тому
Fedora has different Desktop Environment spins. It is not Gnome only
@OldAussieAds Рік тому
Oh and I like global menus too. That’s one thing I liked about Unity back in the day and something I like about the macOS.
@igorgiuseppe1862 Рік тому
switching between an low clock for the cpu and high clock, takes time, that is why i recommend play games on "performance" mode, at least if the game is heavy
@MichaelNROH Рік тому
Well, a Surface does not have the GPU power anyway, but generally speaking, it does not really affect performance that much since the CPU is not going to clock down during gameplay anyway. At least, I'm not noticing any drops in fps or latency improvements. It really comes down to the optimization and multithreading capabilities of the game tough. It can help, but very rarely.
@igorgiuseppe1862 Рік тому
@@MichaelNROH as surface is probably better than my current note, and there are quite a lot of games that i can play if i dont care about playng the latest games, gaming is not about playing the latest relases only
@MrNicetux 10 місяців тому
I have a Surface Pro 3 and i'm happy with it. Linux Mint is really running smooth on it without any problems, all devices was workin oob.
@timothyfender1222 8 місяців тому
I too have a Surface Pro 3 and want to try Mint on it. Can you give some insight on the install of it on the SP3? Thanks
@dragonek_gnu_linux_pl Рік тому
The most important are some thing. Gnome, package manager no spyware :* gnome is the best thing avinable in linux :)
@FrancescoVarrato Рік тому
Could you please link in the video description the Surface compatibility website you told about? BTW, I wanted to install Linux on my Surface Go 2 but was swayed by the lack of clear documentation and a lot of negative comments about the compatibility
@MichaelNROH Рік тому
Ohhh, my bad 🤦♂️ I thought I did. Thanks for noticing
@FrancescoVarrato Рік тому
@@MichaelNROH thanks to you :-)
@angeloverlain Рік тому
i was waiting on this
@nymusicman Рік тому
Just put Pop_OS! on my Surface Go 1. Everything out of the box. I didn't need to change a thing. So nice!
@JohnRPeck 9 місяців тому
I have an old surface pro 3, the Microsoft driver for the keyboard cover is constantly getting "corrupted" and it stops working. I want to turn the device into an E-Reader. and still be able to do a little work on the device. Now I might try Fedora 36 on it. Wish me luck
@MichaelNROH 9 місяців тому
Fedora was the most pleasant experience for me so far
@parasiteunit 9 місяців тому
Can confirm - it's genuinely awesome. Same as some Macs.... Linux distros presents some wonderful opportunities for some really useful technomancy
@RizalBoon Рік тому
I love the performance of Fedora 36 in my SP5, but it is still too unstable for my work use, especially on the touchscreen side.
@MichaelNROH Рік тому
What kind? I didn't notice stability problems
@RizalBoon Рік тому
@@MichaelNROH sometimes the touchscreen goes haywire and trigger random locations on the screen. I did not have this issue on Windows 10 though, so it couldn't be the display itself. Also, resolution scales terribly on multiple display because you cannot set independent scale for different display, causing the UI to either be so small or so big, following the main display's scale.
@dr.nigelcool3771 8 місяців тому
You had about 1/10 of a second using the pen. What is the Linux alternative to taking notes with a stylus in OneNote?
@MichaelNROH 8 місяців тому
If you are looking for an alternative, then the closest one would probably be Xournal++. It's user interface looks a bit dated though, but it works well with a pen. Even the eraser on the other end works.
@rene9901 Рік тому
Thanks a lot for sharing this vedio .. it was so much needed to know as I'm planning to buy a 7 or 7+ ... and I will need Linux definitely.. just wanted to know some honest review about whether it works for both mode .. I need for two main reason .. bit of coding almost on daily basis and also for little bit of digital arts ... please suggest if I am making a right choice .. thanks in advance
@MichaelNROH Рік тому
The touchscreen of the regular Pro 7 seems to be working fine with newer Kernels, right out of the box (singletouch), while the Pro 7+ needs a seperate driver install. The rest is pretty much identical in terms of functionality. The truth is, that if you want to put Linux on a newer Surface, than you have to do some extra work. I'm leaving a link to a Github Repo for you, which is dedicated to Linux on Surface Devices: github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface
@rene9901 Рік тому
@@MichaelNROH cool .. thanks so much
@itolikful Рік тому
IMHO Very optimistic about support features. 8 months have passed and camera issue still on Surface Pro 7 and later
@lanceevans1689 4 місяці тому
Great vid, thank you!
@sufferingincorporatedtm1781 Місяць тому
i'm thinking of picking up a surface to replace my laptop and ipad, a tablet with linux's openess and independence sounds like the best portable device one could ask for :)
@johnreese8278 Рік тому
Using Zorin 16 on a Surface Pro 3. It is excellent, far better than Windows ever was.
@w3sp 9 місяців тому
Hey, I have a Surface Pro 6. Is it possible to install Linux on there and have both the touchscreen working as well as the automatic orientation change between landscape/portrait mode based on how it's held? I have tried to install a Linux (I think it was Mint) last year but after hours I gave up because I couldn't get the touchscreen etc to work.
@MichaelNROH 9 місяців тому
Everything you need, except the cameras maybe, is now included in the documentation and suface linux repos.
@w3sp 9 місяців тому
@@MichaelNROH Thanks, currently giving it a go and installed the latest Linux Mint Cinnamon (Ubuntu 22.04 I believe). Touchscreen etc. not working out of the box so I went and installed all the packages as described on the github installation page and issued the final reboot. Now it won't boot and is stuck at showing the surface logo (4 squares). Not sure where exactly it went wrong...time for another reinstall I guess.
@impermanenthuman8427 Рік тому
What about the Lenovo Yoga ‘2 in 1’ options? The keyboard is attached but generally Lenovo are more linux compatible? But I assume the surface pros are the closest to an iPad but with linux capability?
@MichaelNROH Рік тому
While Lenovo does offer some Linux Laptops, the rest is still a hit or miss sometimes. Most common issues are missing or buggy drivers for Wi-Fi and Bluetooth but it's still rare. Compatibility is similar to other companies
@alnicospeaker 6 місяців тому
Is there any chance that drivers for the SP7 cameras will become available? I plan to install macOS, however the lack of camera drivers is the same problem as with Linux.
@matthewsjardine Рік тому
I can agree with a lot of what you said, except for the battery life claim. I love Linux, and it is my preferred OS, but I have never gotten anywhere near as good battery life out of my devices on Linux, as compared to their native operating systems of Windows or macOS. I have used multiple devices, from multiple manufacturers, and with different performance profiles... I systematically get 2 hours less on Linux than I do on Windows. It has been my only real gripe with Linux. I am far from the only one that has had this experience. My colleagues have experienced the same, and it is also something I see a lot in the community forums. There are utilities that can make the experience better, but out of the box, do not expect better battery performance.
@cruddy2632 Рік тому
Nice video. I have thinkpad 8 with win10pro 21h2. Should i try to install fedora or something like it?
@MichaelNROH Рік тому
You can try. I think the thinkpads work quite welll with Linux nowadays. But before you install try out the live boot environment that comes with most distros.
@alkeryn1700 4 місяці тому
i remember compiling a custom kernel on my surface pro 4 at the time lol.
@sanjayKumar-sx5bv Рік тому
Meanwhile mircosoft : **internal screaming intensifies**
@HQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQHQ 4 місяці тому
What would you recommend for Dell 7275 tablet with m5 processor and 8gig ram? Fedora or Ubuntu or something else? I like Mint, but will it work? I will use it for office, MuseScore, youtube, photo editing (sometimes), maybe something else, not too heavy software.
@MichaelNROH 4 місяці тому
Tough to say, as the tablet doesn't really have a modern CPU. If you want to properly use the touchscreen, then you are mostly bound to Gnome or KDE Plasma, since they both support the Wayland protocol which makes touch gestures much easier. Both Desktop Environments advertise popular Linux Distributions on their Website which you can choose from. It doesn't really matter which one you choose since the differences don't concern non power users that deep dive into the OS. The thing is, that this tablet might not perform as well as it did at release, mainly given that many applications already moved on to consume more processing power by default, but it's best to just try it.
@mistermistero652 Рік тому
Kde plasma mobile is also quite fun on a surface. (have it on my SB 2)
@70shahin Рік тому
it is ages that I am searching for a good linux tablet. not a fan of surface though since my surface pro 4 but nice video
@SuvacoDoce Рік тому
Things were not great with me with using Linux in a surface pro. I owned a Surface Pro 6, sold it two months ago. Although touchscreen works, pen works but… it’s far from ideal. It seems the touch sample has some problems; the pen writing and drawing is completely inconsistent. I tried with both Wayland and Xorg. It’s barely usable if you want to write, it’s totally unusable if you need to draw or constantly write (like a student using onenote like apps). Unless someone just developed a really great new touch drive or has made a breakthrough, I do not recommend to install Linux unless as an interesting test device. Or if you don’t need a reliable touch and pen support.
@MichaelNROH Рік тому
Ok, that is interesting. I've not come across these problems but maybe it's because the newer pen is not registered as a touch device?
@mateiberatco500 Рік тому
I used Surface Go 1 and 2, and both worked fine with pen. Including pressure sensitivity. But I'm not using them enough (mostly writing temporary math to avoid paper). I did see a review where they tested 2 Wacom digitizer technologies, and the ones in SGO1/2 had some zig-zagging on diagonal lines; but the UKpostsr did this test in Windows, so a HW limitation, not SW. I also own a 2-in-1 Lenovo and a Wacom Pen that can switch between the 2 techs (and working on Surfaces and Lenovo by just using the switch).
@SuvacoDoce Рік тому
@@MichaelNROH it showed to me as a registered pen/touch device. Every time I tried to draw a continuous line, the line kept getting interrupted every 2 or 3 centimeters. As if the touch and pen sampling rate was low.
@kimtaiferragamo Рік тому
good to know...I was skeptical until I saw this.....thanks
@Rpch26 Рік тому
Thanks for this video. Can i purchase tjos tablet on line and install any linux distro like mint? Or the only one works fone is fedora?
@MichaelNROH Рік тому
Theoretically yes, but the Surface Repo does not supply custom Kernels for that many distros. Functionalities might be limited
@naraydaniels7832 Рік тому
To be honest Linux on a surface is cute and all but from my experience I don’t think it’s topping windows on the surface, I have a surface go 2 and though I understand there was touch issues,but it actually had the opposite effect than the ones you mentioned, draining more resources than Windows, thus more battery, and freezes up alot. I originally got my surface without an OS and added Manjaro gnome, and it was a nightmare, there was this thing I call “touch disease” where every time I touch my screen the distro would essentially fall apart, alongside having every resource issue I had earlier. And when my window manager fell apart I was left in a really bad position and lost a lot of data. I eventually switched to windows 10 and * Poof * my problems were gone, it was like I had a newer, much more powerful device, I even had enough room to run Bluestacks, the undisputed best android Virtual Machine, And my Windows’ window manager never falls apart. Honestly I can understand that Linux looks nice and all and has big buttons, but At least in my case, Linux is definitely not daily drivable on a surface. I currently do have Linux on my surface’s SD card, but I would never put it on my hardware again, and I would never suggest anyone else to do it either
@naraydaniels7832 Рік тому
@gilkesisking I say Linux because I tried it with Debian (current) and Manjaro(Past), and though Debian is doing alot better, I still shared some issues, and windows 11 is still vastly better, including the usage of less ram. I can try fedora, but it froze up on my 8gb VM, so would I try it on my 4GB Surface? No sir.
@davidkisvari Рік тому
I've been running Manjaro KDE, Manjaro Gnome, KDE Neon and Now Ubuntu on a Surface Go 2 without any issues. Battery life is also fine. Only thing not working is the camera but that's a known issue.
@naraydaniels7832 Рік тому
@gilkesisking Did I forget to mention that Debian is doing A lot better, it’s doing more than just work. When I say “shared some issues” I mean gnome issues, like “touch disease”, things like the panel consuming a metric ton of ram, and lack of rotation has been fixed. XFCE,LXQT, and KDE are tip top. As for basing things off of a VM, that’s just the way things go, my Mac Pro essentially has all the resources to replicate my Surface (besides graphics) eightfold, It got 2x the resources my surface had and still failed (All other VM’s do spectacular on half load) while having the drivers built in. I admit I can just put it in a usb, and test it on my 16gb MacBook, but let’s be honest, why would I extend my hand further than I have now when I already have an OS that succeeded in the task I gave it? Either way I have nowhere else to put it. Look man I hate to sound like I hate Linux cause I don’t, I love it all. Linux has a lot of potential, but it also has a long way to go, especially in the consumer area. And just like how I don’t pull any punches with Mac OS or Windows I’m not gonna pull on Linux
@fiat-voluntas-tua Рік тому
Thank you 🙏 !
@impermanenthuman8427 Рік тому
Probably a very noob question, but are all the drivers that need to be downloaded to make the surface pro 7 a Linux touch tablet stored on the SSD? Or in the bios/firmware? I want to swap out the SSD’s between a windows SSD and another SSD with linux and all its necessary drivers installed, I want to compartmentalize my use of each SSD depending on what tasks I am doing
@MichaelNROH Рік тому
Drivers are always installed on Operating System level, aka the SSD / HDD. That is because drivers are not cross-plattform compatible.
@zerrubabbel 3 місяці тому
A year later, and independent of this video, I'm running Arch on a Surface Laptop Go 2, and Garuda on a Surface Go 2, and can confirm, Great Linux devices!
@sharanchakradhar Рік тому
Default Kernel (5+) supports Keyboard by default without any custom kernel ? I used Linux couple of years ago on my surface laptop and need separate keyboard and mouse but laptop got only one usb port. Hell!
@timothyfender1222 8 місяців тому
I have an old Surface Pro 3 lying around and thinking of trying Linux on it to give it new life. Anyone tried either Ubuntu or Mint on a SP3?
@homesteadishdad Місяць тому
I just came across this comment and I’ve been using Mint on the SP3. It seems to work pretty well and the touch works right “out of the box” so to say.
@OldAussieAds Рік тому
I’ve owned a Surface Pro 3 for years now. When I first got it, it had Windows 8.1 pre-installed. In tablet mode, that was a perfect pairing. Then Windows 10 came out and I upgraded. It was a better desktop UI, but Tablet mode regressed big time. So I wiped Windows and installed Ubuntu (the first LTS with Gnome as the DE). It was a bit rough around the edges at first with the odd crash here and there, but many upgrades since (now 22.10) and it’s smooth sailing. Gnome is by far the better tablet OS compared to Windows. Except for one thing - battery life. So it’s fine around the house, but I’d struggle taking it on the road unless there was a power point nearby. All in all, if you have an old Surface device and are wanting to breath new life in it, Linux gets the thumbs up from me.
@kbhasi Рік тому
Sounds to me like you installed Ubuntu 18.04 and upgraded from there.
@juanjomtz4606 8 місяців тому
Have you tried installing auto-cpufreq?
@SomethingRandomChannel 5 місяців тому
I tried this on my surface about a year or 2 ago and found it was pretty bad with battery, pen and performance on wake up. Ended up going to windows 11 and it understandably performed better. Maybe in a couple years from now it’ll be ready to go
@yogapratama5225 Рік тому
If only the pen pressure works seamlessly on Krita, it would be perfect usage
@ssdfadsfdsf 10 місяців тому
Servus Michael, danke für das coole Video! Funktioniert bei dir das surface pen mit allen Funktionen und Tasten? Kannst du bitte einen Update Video dazu machen? Ich benutze gerade Linux Mint auf meinem surface Pro 8, es funktioniert alles perfekt, jedoch funktioniert beim Stift die Tasten nicht, radieren kann ich auch nicht. Solange das nicht geht, kann ich nicht vollends auf Windows verzichten. Schöne Grüße aus Vorarlberg wünscht dir Tobias! :)
@9hundred67 Рік тому
Do I need to install kernals and patches or just straight install of fedora 36 without mods? And does the touchscreen and stylus work at the same time on surfacebook?
@MichaelNROH Рік тому
You don't necessarily need the custom Kernel to get it running. It just offers some customization and optimizations. Regarding the touchscreen, compatibility will vary on your model. Older surface models support the touchscreen out of the box, while newer one (7+ and up) need the "ithc"-driver which can be found on the "surface-linux"-Github. Pen support is also depending on the model. Mine worked like a mouse instead of a touch device, so no easy scrolling or pressure support. But then again I have a Pro 7+
@arcadiosincero Рік тому
My company sells a product that uses Toughbooks as an interface to it. It might be cooler to use a Surface. We wouldn't even need things like the camera to work. Just the WiFi and Bluetooth and the touchscreen.
@MichaelNROH Рік тому
True, but at least it's more robust 😅
@jyudat4433 Рік тому
i really want a more portable PC, and holy crap this is so cool
@rodolfoboimarinho6504 Рік тому
Have you tried the pen and gimp or other graphic app? and how it would compare to android since it is almost a linux for mobile devices.
@MichaelNROH Рік тому
Gimp is not really designed for a pen, but I tried Inkscape and it's fine more my pen. The biggest issue on my Surface Pro 7+ is, that the display and pen drivers are not finished yet, so it behaves like a mouse cursor instead of a touch gesture. It makes it possible to work in Inkscape, however you won't be getting pressure sensitivity
@learningtoride1714 Рік тому
I run Linux on my surface book 2 and it is awesome
@robonator2945 Рік тому
this is, sadly, definite proof that the jingpad really could have worked in my eyes. The main reason it failed was because of software, yet, linux clearly works just fine in a tablet configuration.
@chris122380 Рік тому
What is the best Distro for the Surface Pro 4? It's the camera that is the most important to me. My keyboard always works so the touch is not a big deal
@AP-kx4yw Рік тому
I'm using Fedora on my Go 3 and it's really stable. For some things including cameras you need to install the linux-surface kernel and build libcamera. But camera support for the Pro 4 is still work in progress so it might not work very well. On my Go 3 the camera and lens work but it's not really sharp and sometimes blurry and the image is also very dark.
@johncalorino675 Рік тому
Which Linux distro do you recommend? (I would like the most stable Fedora based distro, as Fedora is more secure than Debian, but it is also a lot less stable).
@MichaelNROH Рік тому
Tbh, I would just would recommend Fedora 36. Sure it's not Debian Level since Debian is hard to beat, but it is not unstable in any way.
@MrKilljay Рік тому
I'm not the OP, but I would recommend OpenSUSE. I run Tumbleweed on my laptop (using it now to type this very comment) and it's been solid so far. If you want maximum stability, I would recommend OpenSUSE Leap. It's a point release distro rather than a rolling one like Tumbleweed, so it's very unlikely anything will break.
@DMSBrian24 Рік тому
I think you might have been misinformed somehow. First of all, what do you mean by 'most stable Fedora-based distro'? Anything Fedora-based will have the same update schedule as Fedora. And by 'stable' we don't mean that sth breaks less often, it simply refers to the update schedule, yes, Debian is more stable but that's actually a bad thing for most desktop users. Also, what do you mean by 'Fedora is more secure than Debian'? Pretty much all major Linux distros are almost on par when it comes to security, probably the most major difference in this case being Fedora running a newer kernel version, which it does because it's 'less stable' (and no, secure boot support doesn't make it more secure, it's a useless feature for desktop users). You sound like me before I switched to Linux, not knowing anything about it and trying to "optimize" my ideal initial setup before ever actually trying to run any distribution, only to later find out most of the opinions floating around out there are just plain wrong and that there really isn't a major difference between all the distros except the very obvious - update schedule and package manager. Seriously, you'll be stuck in this state forever and it'll get you nowhere, instead of basing your choice or opinion on what others say, free up some 100gb on your drive and just install Linux, maybe distrohop a couple times just to see the differences and you'll be rid of most of those misconceptions after a short while of actually using it.
@V3n0m151 6 місяців тому
9 months later and still no camera. Its a bummer because I was debating doing this on my Surface, but unfortunately there still isnt support for the Camera on the SP7
@SqueezyTheOrca 3 місяці тому
Now try fedora 39 with KDE on it, which should give you a windows-like experience.
@MichaelNROH 3 місяці тому
I'm not really looking for a Windows experience tbh
@SqueezyTheOrca 3 місяці тому
sadge.
@joshbarton Рік тому
I installed Fedora 37 on my SP3. I’m having a weird WiFI issue. It randomly stops working and the Wi-Fi setting disappears from settings. I installed and am using the surface kernel from the GitHub page. I haven’t found a fix yet. Aside from that for the most part everything else seems to be working. I have gotten weird freezes where the software store just freezes, but if I install everything from terminal it works fine. Makes me wonder if I should go back to windows. I was hoping for a better experience.
@alb673 4 місяці тому
Interesting video. I am familiar with installing Linux, as dual boot as well. Can this be done on the Surface? I mean, just in case you need to run something that's just available for Microsoft
@MichaelNROH 4 місяці тому
Technically yes, but it's a matter of storage space. Running a whole OS off the SD card is heavily impacting it's lifespan, so you have to split your main storage
@alb673 4 місяці тому
Yeah that's what I normally have done on a laptop
@Beyondesp 10 місяців тому
I have been running pop os on my surgace pro 3 and it worked great in the beginning but it jas troubles updating itself.. after a while on one of the updates the 5ghz band of the wifi stopped working .. i am looking to move to a different distro, is it easy to switch ? Do i just format the entire drive again? ( backup data first of course)
@Firefly55X Рік тому
It is going on almost a year. Where is the camera support for Windows Surface 3? How much longer?
@deanspanos8210 Рік тому
The issue I have is that all the videos about linux on surface always has the keyboard as the primary input. If you use the tablet only, how is the touch screen right click and virtual keyboard done?
@MichaelNROH Рік тому
It depends on the Desktop Environment, but on Gnome it's a long tap to bring up the right-click menu, and depending on if it's a GTK application, a keyboard pops up automatically, or you can do a swipe up gesture from the bottom of the screen
@aranha9365 19 днів тому
Is there any app to read kindle stuff on that?
@gelbphoenix 3 місяці тому
Was there an improvement in the usement of the Surface Pen over the year after this video was published?
@MichaelNROH 3 місяці тому
The pen no longer requires a driver and its sensors work. The only thing that doesn't work is, that it is recognized as a touch device. I'm not sure if that's a compatibility issue or even by design since most third party pens are most likely recognized as a mouse, simply for compatibility
@Rotototototra 7 місяців тому
Hello,I want to know if it’s work with the SPX and if it’s yes ,what’s the difference
@nortonis3565 2 місяці тому
Hello, great video. I installed Linux Mint cinnemon 2.3, and my touch display on my Surface pro is not working. Do you have an idea on what to do, do i need to install Surface Kernel or something ?
@MichaelNROH 2 місяці тому
Yeah, on newer models you do. Just download the latest Ubuntu Kernel from their Github and follow their Wiki page (also on Github)
@michelemorelli547 Рік тому
Can you please make a step by step installation guide? I'm having a bad time trying to dual boot fedora and windows and I can't still have a working touchscreen in the Fedora live version. I have a surface pro 7.
@MichaelNROH Рік тому
I'm not sure if you can get the touchscreen to work in the live boot since it requires a seperate driver and a reboot
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