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Agreed. Pretty massive oversight and could be read as less-than-subtle bias. Hopefully that was not the intention, as there are many merits to both cars which make a comparison like this a completely fair fight. In the case of the Lucid, rear cabin space and legroom is considered one of its objective class-leading (industry-leading even) benefits. Don't believe me? Go to your local mall if you happen to live near one with both a Tesla and Lucid showroom and see for yourself. No further explanation required.

To measure rear legroom, you need to set the front seats in both cars to 40 inches and leave the seats fully upright. If you don't do that, the result is random nonsense. The Lucid unquestionably has more legroom than the Model S. It also has substantially more headroom in the rear. When I got a Model S in 2014, Tesla still made a metal roof. I went with the glass roof since it had more rear headroom, not specifically for the sunroof. Lucid has more room with the glass roof, and supposedly even more with the metal one. So Lucid is going to give more comfort even with the seats all the way back. In normal use with my seat in my normal setting, rear passengers get far more legroom in my Lucid. I still have the Tesla and I'm not hear to knock Tesla. It's still a good car, and still has a few features that Lucid needs to catch up on. But overall, I concur with all the others who own both (or who own a Lucid and owned a Model S in the past) that the Lucid is nicer overall. The best way for anybody to decide is to test drive both. It was more dramatic for me since I own a Model S, and that meant ending my test drive in the Lucid and immediately getting back into my Model S to go home. But I'll still say that for practical purposes my Model S is far better than when it was new. That's thanks to hardware and software upgrades. Lucid already has the hardware to do what I see as missing in the software, but only time will tell. I'll have a better idea in five years, as I do with the Tesla. I don't regret buying the Tesla one bit. The same is true with the Lucid, but I haven't had it long term.

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the regen is awful, the worst regen of all EV

@@MaestroWenarto How so?

@@MaestroWenarto What are you talking about? Every review you can find that mentions the Air's regen brakes says that it has some of the strongest regen brakes you can get

@@MaestroWenarto Total balderdash, fanboy. We traded our 2015 Model S P90D for a 2021 Model S Plaid, and we also own a 2022 Lucid Air Dream Edition Performance. While the first Tesla was not capable of true one-pedal driving, the Plaid is . . . and its regen is virtually indistinguishable from the Air's. Both cars handle one-pedal driving smoothly and linearly and have absolutely seamless transitions from regenerative to friction braking when necessary. If you want to sample abysmal regen braking, try a Mercedes EQS with that ridiculous system that moves the brake pedal on its own while in regenerative braking.

Imagine how those who bought it a few years ago feel like today

@@carlosnorris352 Probably pissed and driving it till the wheels fall off. The cars depreciated faster than most used cars.

@@kpboix99 I think mass production of batteries and other components will make the EVs on par with ICE counterparts soon. Whoever jumped early, paid the premium for the bragging rights.

@@carlosnorris352 yes that and also because these cars are more of tech devices than cars. Kind of like how the new iPhones come out better and better. Time makes them feel outdated with hardware that keeps getting better.

lucid is beautiful !

I saw a Lucid Air the other day. It looks like a hypercar class luxury vehicle with the already iconic design and super cool lights unlike any other. .

​@georgephillips3294 - I think it looks like a old Buick.

I'm not sure this review was "quite fair." In demonstrating rear seat room, the reviewer ran the front seat all the way back in the Lucid but all the way forward in the Tesla, thus creating the false impression that the back seat room was roughly equal between the two cars. Why would any even-handed reviewer do that? We own a 2021 Model S Plaid and a 2022 Lucid Air Dream Performance. The back seat of the Air is vastly roomier. With the driver seat in each car set to my preferred driving position, there is 9.5 inches more fore/aft legroom in the Air. When carrying adults in the rear, we invariably take the Air instead of the Tesla.

@@blakespringpasturemortimer9168 If I latched onto one thing on the review, then yeah, quite unfair. However, I looked at the overall review. Agreed, at 6'9", I still have a lot of leg room in the back seat of my Lucid, and if my guests knees are tilted up in the are a bit because I want greater range, then they shouldn't mind. And even if they do mind, tough! ;) I want that extra range.

@@terrytexas8257 Agreed it was just one thing in the review. However, running one seat all the way forward and one all the way back to do a rear seat comparison was not inadvertent. It was a deliberate effort to favor one car over the other . . . and that calls the reviewer's motives and objectivity into question. And, given how obvious it was, it's also an insult to the intelligence of the viewer.

Nope it’s too expensive

Thanks man! Thats tough because it’s different segments! But a great idea

Oh I'm sure haha, definitely not an easy topic to compress into a video, maybe just a broad not as detailed overview of each model, size, range, performance, comfort, enjoyability, etc. and rating that for each model, just an idea though!@@EverydayChris

When I got a Model S in 2014, I wanted to get a color that didn't make my car look like every other Tesla, not that there were so many back then. I went with green. I don't know if Tesla made more than 1000 of them before they discontinued the color. People who see the actual car like the color and I've gotten nothing but praise. It wasn't my initial choice though, and I changed it after the order was placed. Had Tesla sold cars off the lot the way other companies do, the color probably would have sold well. People will buy a car if they like the color. But if they get to order the car, they will pick a specific color, not an available one from the ones they like. So it was easier for Tesla to stick with the ones that people were most likely to order. These days they have a pretty boring color offering. Back then, they also had brown. It's not something that sounds like an appealing color to me, or something that I considered buying. But when I see Teslas in that color, which is very rare, they actually look very nice. I was in the rare position of having seen a green Tesla in the lot at the showroom. Most people who ordered a car never would have seen one. Lucid gave me a better array of interior and exterior choices than Tesla. I had never bought a red car before but I like Lucid's red. It's not that the other colors look bad, but it's the lack of choice that bothers me.

When the Lucid Air was announced, I definitely saw it as geared toward a different market. At the time, whenever any company came out with an EV, somebody wrote an article about the next "Tesla killer." I was glad to see Lucid not going in that direction, and targeting premium cars as the competition. At the time, even though I thought that Lucid would make a nice car, I couldn't see myself not getting another Tesla. What surprised me is how many Tesla owners and former Tesla owners are now getting Lucids, myself included. I still agree with the part about two different markets. Tesla doesn't have anything that competes with the Air. I still have a Model S and it's still a nice car, but it comes down to what a buyer wants.

Which part?? One was with an insta360

@@EverydayChris the one u can see the top

We own a 2022 Lucid Air Dream Performance and a 2021 Model S Plaid (our second Tesla, replacing our 2015 P90D). There is nothing "severely limited" about how many suitcases you can put in the Lucid. There is a height restriction in the trunk of the Lucid, but that is not relevant for suitcases. Between its trunk and the enormous frunk (much larger than Tesla's), the Lucid has plenty of luggage space. Also, if you ever carry adults in the rear seat, the Lucid absolutely trounces the Model S. With the driver seat set to my preferred driving position in both cars, there is 9.5" more fore/aft legroom in our Lucid than in our Tesla. In terms of car interiors, that is a vast difference. And our Dream Edition has the larger battery pack. With the smaller pack in the Pure, the footwells are 3.15" deeper than in the Dream Edition, making the back seat even more comfortable. Also, at almost 30,000 miles our Lucid is still rock solid. By 10,000 miles our Model S Plaid had developed squeaks and groans in the rear. Beyond this, the Lucid rides and handles much better and is quieter. While the Plaid is a tick quicker to 60 than the Air Dream (1,111 hp) due to its lighter weight, you cannot make full use of the Plaid's acceleration as the front end goes loose very quickly under hard acceleration. The Lucid stays much better planted, allowing you to use more of its prodigious power.

If you own a Model Y, I'm curious why you end up getting down to 12 miles of range left. I've gone that low in a Tesla, but generally because I knew that when I'd get home, I'd be able to charge. Also, there are enough Supercharger stations that if I calculated wrong, had a detour or anything else, there was a backup plan. In the earlier days, it might have been because there weren't enough Supercharger stations. In that situation, I made sure to find out where there were J1772 and destination chargers in the area where I'd be just in case. In the early years of Tesla, I made sure to have more than enough range that I wouldn't end up with so little range unless there was no alternative. These days that's no longer a problem, and with the Lucid, there's so much range that I won't run that risk on road trips either. The longest I've driven in the past decade in a single day in a Tesla could be done in my Lucid on a single charge. I unquestionably agree that Tesla has a better charging network. There are actually far more CCS stations, but they tend to have few chargers. If a station has four chargers in total, only two are 350kW, and one is out of service, there's a good chance that I'd be stuck waiting. In real life, I've never been stuck because I look at the apps, find a station that has working chargers available, and seeing broken ones in the same lot doesn't hurt me. The down side would be that if a navigator tells me where to stop on a 400 mile trip, information about how many chargers are available at a station 100 miles away is useless. Also, the limitations I've seen have been with EA. My Tesla has free supercharging. I had a Model 3 that did not, and if I had bought a newer Tesla instead of the Lucid, it wouldn't have free Supercharging either. If I'm willing to pay for charging, I don't have to stick with EA just because it's free. If you seriously want to compare the Lucid to a Model S, I'd suggest trying them both.

@@blakespringpasturemortimer9168 The P90D had less frunk space than the pre-D version, but in terms of the number of suitcases, that's different from the number of cubic feet. The extra space will hold specific sized objects, a typical suitcase not being one of them. I never hit a limitation with the Model S or with the Lucid in actual use. The new Model S has a lot less space than the P90D frunk. It does have the HEPA filter though. I've yet to drive through an area where that was a problem in the Lucid, but time will tell. You are right about the backseat of the Lucid. And if people don't have rear passengers, it's a moot point since on both cars, the seats will fold down, giving more space for storage than I'd ever need. As for acceleration, the Model S could beat a similarly priced Lucid in theory, but in practice on actual roads it won't matter. My wife drives the Model S now, and if you swapped out a P90 for a 90 or vice versa, she'd never notice the difference. What I liked most about Tesla's 0-60 time wasn't that I had a practical need, but that since modern EVs were relatively new, Tesla needed to show that it could trounce the competition. Prior to that, EVs had a reputation of being slow, with limited storage space due to a trunk full of batteries, quirky, with very limited range and not for the average driver. Now it's a non-issue for me. I don't need to do 0-60 in under 3 seconds. The one time I tried launch mode in the Lucid, I eased up long before I got up to speed.

you can get the cheapest lucid for 69k now

Pure is now 70k. Loaded Grand Touring (after rebates) is now 110k. So very much the same price point if yiu exclude the Sapphire

haha we'd all love the sapphire

Tesla doesn't have any v4 superchargers in the US, and they don't seem to be making much progress there, so it's actually better to have CCS for cars that run higher voltages like the lucid, since they won't be able to efficiently use tesla's charging network even with NACS. All of tesla's v3 superchargers are too slow to fully capitalize on lucid's charging speed potential so there won't be much reason to use them unless you absolutely have to.

Yeah soon!

When I got my Model S, it had more than its share of problems on paper, if you count up the number of issues that needed service. But they all got taken care of under warranty and I had no issues after that. With the Lucid, I had a lengthy list of issues in the first couple of months, but I was able to get them taken care of in a single service visit. Tesla's service used to be top notch. I'd get a Model S loaner, and Tesla would bring my car to my house and pick up the loaner after things were fixed. So there was far less inconvenience than with previous cars that had fewer issues on paper. That's especially true if you count service visits for oil changes, brake jobs, etc. Lucid gave me a Grand Touring loaner, so it didn't much matter to me how long it took, since there was no extra inconvenience. But with both cars, the bottom line is that it's a handful of days over the life of the car. It's the day in and day out experience that counts. I think that Tesla's reputation for build quality issues is overblown. You look old enough to remember the days when unreliable cars were the ones that stalled out regularly at intersections, broke down too often, might not start and needed lots of service. By that standard, buying an unreliable car was a problem compared to a reliable one of the era. By today's standards, "reliability" has little to do with day to day driving.

Good luck! 🤪

You can raise the suspension on the Tesla.

It's fairly standard ground clearance and places with speed bumps would be in trouble if they didn't account for it. Unlike an ICEV, with a differential or exhaust system hanging lower than most of the vehicle, I never had that problem in an EV.

Depends on what you value. Just cash? Yes, the Model S is cheaper. But, so is a Civic.

You can get the Tesla without the yoke. I don't like the idea of the lack of stalks, and my Model S has stalks, but I've learned not to prejudge without firsthand experience. I still like my Lucid better.

People with spouses often have second cars. A sedan makes more sense as my primary car. And in real life, I've never hit a limitation for baggage space, either in the Model S or in the Lucid. That's even more true now that my kids are grown and long out of the house (except for my son, who lives and works overseas but whose SUV is parked in my driveway.) If I needed something else, I'd have something aside from a sedan as a second car. I've done that in the past when I had young children. Sedans still ride and handle better and made the most sense for companies like Lucid and Tesla to start out with as a premium vehicle. That's not to say that something like the Gravity won't be a better choice for many buyers. It will be and I expect it to outsell the Air by a huge margin.

Elaborate..plz

Before the Model 3 came out, there were people who posted that it would cannibalize sales of the Model S. In a sense, that was true. The S/X sold over 100,000 in 2017. The numbers are way down. But since coming out with newer models put total production in the millions per year, it was still the right choice. Had Tesla stuck with the S and X as their entire lineup, they might have improved both tremendously by now. But they'd be worse off overall.

You still stuck in the past you saw old videos of old software

ok tesla boy

​@stalin1489 - He's right though. Tesla's software and architecture is much better than Lucid's.

It is slower than with the Tesla. But for me, it's a non issue. It's not 15 seconds, but most people don't constantly change profiles. I have a car that I drive primarily and so does my wife. If I drive her Model S, the profile switch is fast. With the Lucid, it should recognize my fob or phone as I approach and shouldn't be an issue.

@@ronin7645 i know teslas software is better and more smooth. I'm just mocking his smugness. the way he said "could not give him lucid" lol

I find the visibility better in the Lucid. Also, the visibility with the side cameras is far better than I'd get in any car with a side mirror or looking over my shoulder. And Lucid did a better job of putting the camera displays in the right place. I wouldn't feel comfortable in a Model S without a rear view camera, and Tesla left out basic things like blind spot indicators on the side view mirrors. The Model 3 is far worse. The Lucid is also far more roomy than the Tesla. That's especially true in the rear. Standard comparisons are done with the front seats of cars set at 40 inches. This shows the Lucid with the seat all the way back rather than with the same front room as in the Tesla at the time of the measurement.

It's got a better ride, a quieter cabin, and better ergonomics for the most part. It still has its share of annoyances that Lucid will need to address. Tesla went through the same thing. I watched those issues go away on a Tesla over the course of a decade. Hopefully, Lucid can do better, but they weren't show stoppers for me.

It doesn’t compare to Lucid at all lucid is much better and only getting better due to software update ,,, it’s hard wear is better then Tesla ,,, Tesla model is cut cost deny customers quality make them suffer .

Pretty sure he’s in California where it’s required to have a front plate.

@@brandonl8039 It's required by law, but no cop will pull somebody over for that. Parking enforcement agents are a different story. They will ticket you for a missing plate. It's a problem in places like San Francisco. California also allows license plate wraps for front plates. But it has to be from an approved source. A wrap is less visually disruptive. And you could get a black plate (wrap) if it goes better with your car.

Because you have to fully charge it each time? And most owners will have a home charger anyway

The opposite is true. The Lucid is more efficient, so the number of miles added over a given period of time is greater with the Lucid. I can add 41 miles of range per hour when plugged in in my garage. If I wanted to get Lucid's Home Charging Station, it would double that rate. I can also add 200 miles of range in 12 minutes at a high speed charger. I can't do that with a Tesla. That means less charging time across the board. If I take a road trip of a given length, I'll need to add a given number of miles of range. The fact that I might have 200 miles of range left when get home instead of close to zero doesn't hurt me. If I start off with both cars near empty, and want to add 400 miles in both cars, it will be much faster in the Lucid. The fact that I could add another 100+ miles of range in the Lucid isn't a negative. There's nothing forcing me to do so. Also, charging slows down when the cars get close to a full charge. So having 100+ miles of headroom when I finish charging is a huge time saver. As far as autonomy, I have far more in the Lucid. If I want to make a 400 mile trip in a Tesla, I can do so without any extra delay. I'll just charge when I stop to eat anyway, and perhaps charge when I have a rest stop. A trip that long will overlap a mealtime. But I have to stop where there's a Supercharger near a restaurant where I'd want to eat. With the Lucid, I can do the same thing. But if there's no charging station at all, I simply won't have to charge. I can still make the trip. And when I get to the destination, I'll be 400 miles from home, staying at some hotel. Lots of hotels have charging these days. It's almost always free. And hotels with charging tend to be no more expensive than ones without it for similar quality. Since the Lucid will end up with more miles being added when I charge at the destination in a given amount of time, there's no scenario in which I have less autonomy.

I'm pretty sure he said he loved the Lucid but was disappointed with the charging network. Important point of course, but a big difference. But I'm happy he's satisfied with "Plaidington"

We have a 2021 Model S Plaid and a 2022 Lucid Air Dream Performance. The software of the Lucid vastly improved with the October 2022 UX 2.0 changeover and subsequent updates (which are OTA, just as in the Tesla). Software features our Lucid has that our Tesla doesn't: Apple CarPlay support with Android on the way; birds-eye-view parking displays; accurate front camera distancing for parking; the ability to play a USB music stick when you're out of cell phone service areas; dual satellite map displays so that you can see different zoom levels simultaneously as you're homing in on a destination in a densely built-up area, or so that you can see both compass views and direction-of-travel views simultaneously; blind spot displays on the driver's binnacle closer to your line of sight than the center screen. Besides that, the turn signal stalks, the A/C toggle switches, and the manual HVAC vent adjustments are far easier to use in the Lucid than the Tesla, especially when the car is moving. We've driving Model S's since our first 2015 P90D. At this point, I actually prefer the total control suite of the Lucid over the Tesla.

So was Tesla at first. Still have issues.

😂 Wrong general conclusion. Bias!

We took delivery of a Model S Plaid in August 2021 (replacing our 2015 Model S P90D). We took delivery of a Lucid Air Dream Performance in December 2021. It was production number 154. The Tesla arrived with more quality issues than the Lucid. The yoke column squeaked in the Tesla and required repair. The driver side outside rearview mirror vibrated at speed and had to be replaced. Rubber covers fell off the trunk studs. The PPF applied ahead of the rear wheel wells was noticeably yellow on our white car (never addressed). Several chrome interior trim pieces were misaligned (never addressed). In fact, the 2021 Model S had more quality issues at delivery and in the first few months following than our 2015 Model S, which was actually pretty well built. Right now we're waiting to have the yoke on the Tesla replaced on March 18, as dime-sized plugs of the cover are peeling away and breaking off -- 3 so far. (We've had to wait for this replacement since late fall, as Tesla had to develop a different cover to deal with this widespread problem.) Most importantly, at almost 30,000 miles, our Lucid remains quiet and rock solid. By 10,000 miles the Plaid developed squeaks and groans in the rear quarters. We're getting a Lucid Gravity SUV Dream Edition as soon as they become available to replace our Honda Odyssey minivan. We will be getting rid of the Tesla at that point but keeping the Air.

You're delusional.

Lucid❤

Their rates are available online. For me, I get three years free from Lucid. I used them once just to test things out. The rest of the time, I charge from home. I have solar so my electric bill won't go up because of it. Even if I didn't, it would still be relatively cheap to charge from home. And even if EA wasn't free for me, the depreciation from the miles driven to and from charging stations would be more than the cost of charging from home.

That'll be R&D money. They're not selling the cars at a loss. Even if they were, Tesla lost around $40k on each Roadster they sold & that's not including R&D costs

@@ExclamationMarx They are losing per car, but nowhere near that amount since most of the spending is unrelated to producing the cars. Tesla had positive margins per vehicle for years before they turned a profit. People acted as if every dollar they spend designing solar panels or designing and building a factory for the Model 3 was part of the cost of making a Model S/X. That's what you get when you divide a loss by the number of cars, as if all that money goes into making those particular cars. Lucid will do far better when they increase volume, which will happen a lot faster with the Gravity.

I kept my Tesla. I also bought a Lucid. I like the Lucid better but the Tesla is still a very good car.

Hahaha

too bad Telsa don't support apple or android:)