You think they’d make more money if they just gave people stuff for free? I imagine Apple knows how to price things.

​@@MarkStoddard Right, that's why they keep losing money and for sure months from now they will release M4.

@@kylorokx1552… it is just m1 is too good. There are hardware surveys you can find online. New Mac sales are down, but m_series Mac’s market share is increasing.

Honestly, their pricing just makes me want to avoid buying macs new and explore the second had market instead. I mean just looking around on ebay/marketplace shows I can pickup a 14 inch m1 pro 16gb / 1tb storage for around 1200 USD or less...

Absolutely correct. They already lost a buyer, me. I'm a casual user, mainly use MS Office, and stream content. I just wanted an Apple brand laptop especially for the battery life, but I'm not spending money unnecessarily. Intel is good enough for me for now. But Apple is losing many customers just because of their strategy.

Refurbished is the way to go. And it might not actually mean that something has to be fixed on a refurbished laptop. I ordered a 16” M1 MacBook Pro when they came out, but had second thoughts when I received it, as I felt it was too expensive to be hauling around SE Asia for a year. So I returned it to the store, completely unopened, to swap for a base M1 MacBook Air. I asked if they would put it straight back into stock… and they told me no, it wouldn’t, all returned Apple products go through the refurbished scheme, whether they are damaged or unopened returns. So my brand new, untouched, unopened MacBook Pro ended up as a cracking deal for someone with about a 20% discount.

I agree, I have a much better idea of my options. Now I'm just going to visit the store to see and feel them in person

This video is excellent for showing performance between them for various tasks. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/pmeKbIaFiK50pH0.htmlsi=32kXJSMa4yNvsAPk

If you’re worried about the performance obviously you’d want to get a pro. No need to watch these kind of useless videos.

Performance Actually did some research and mu take was it is between getting pro with 16 gb or more, or zenbook, spectre, xps, pavillion plus, rog etc. but not air maybe not sure.

Appreciate it! and I will lol.

Glad it was helpful!

This is exactly what I have been looking for!

Presumably their strategy is instil FOMO so that people looking at the base Pro in that situation start considering upgrading the RAM to 18GB, which then bumps up the price by like another $200.

@@bluetech2809 I see your point, but regardless of their strategy, to even look at a pro with 16gb is 1799. So someone with more of a 1400-1600 max budget is stuck with this Sophie's Choice of a high end budget model or low end pro model with ram as the main trade off. Personally, I went with the m3 air with 16gb, as I think it makes it a more well rounded machine for the long haul and feel I can live without those pro upgrades, which strike me as more luxury/quality of life vs boots on the ground. But still, would love Greg's take!

yess, which one to decide?

If you care for RAM I assume care for acrive cooling and not a cpu which is tuned down to reduce heat?

If you travel the country with a backpack it is iseful To be able to feel The weight on the bag

😂😂

And don’t forget look good doing it

lmaooo yo i laughed so loud

Apple laptops are definitely priced at a premium… that being said, if you spec out similar style laptops (I.e. aluminum) with similar display and battery lifes … the price difference between Apple and Windowns isn’t as big as people make it out to be. Windows laptops do typically have more ports out the gate and more software selection. It’s just a matter of what the consumer values more. But also Apple, please stop it with the 8tb ram laptops … specially in the pro line up.

@@mvtx878tb RAM, huh?

Thanks!

I was the opposite. I would benefit from the Pro power but I wanted thin and light like I had with the intel Pro, while also having the benefit of a bigger display. Therefore I bought the 15 inch Air since for any video and audio work, I have an M1 Mac Mini.

@adamburke4738 nice. Everyone has different needs tbh

I kinda went nuts and got the 14" m3 pro 12 core 18gb and 1tb option.... I think its overkill.. and I could of stepped down to 512 on the storage; but got the 16" sigh lol

@@shawarma3066 indeed.

You use the speakers for why? All computer speakers suck. Most households someone has a 100.00 speaker that will be 10 times better than any mac laptop speakers

Depends the type of work on the go, 15 inches is bigger than what i would consider ideal for on the go but for each person is different, howvwr on the go if heavier workloads air could be slower after some time. If specs are same then it would mean performance is important.

Fooled by what?

@@atomic_poppy The foolers of course!

did you find the difference between 60hz vs 120 hz?

I also hesitate but side by side while watching a movie, the screen of mbp is much better than air (HDR 1600 nits peak) and speakers are much more immersive.

Try to watch a movie side by side and compare by yourself

Can’t go wrong it’s perfect for that. I have both and I use the air more

But the 14 you get the best display and 120hz refresh rate

@@bigbao9843 meh, I don’t really care Not worth getting a smaller screen for that. Also it’s too late now, I already received the new MacBook Air

@@bigbao9843 120hz will only be activated when you play 120Hz contents. Otherwise, it runs with 60hz. Big difference

What type of data?

Smart and sensible choice. I hope you're enjoying it!

probs get a pro. Why risk it. its not much less portable and screen is 120hz. Tho I guess you can return for up to 2 weeks

Air will do fine! That’s nothing. Maybe you would benefit getting extra ram and the thing won’t have any problems with that

Definitely get 16gb ram/memory if ur multi tasking. Even 24

I think yes it can hamdle but if you also have many wxcel tabs and bug excel sheets better the 16gb ram. And if you also want a heavy antivirus and firewall plus maybe a another piece of software in parallel such as powerbi or tableau ir maybe a game also, then it would start foing to pro -> Theee is one more reason to choose 16g for air, or a pro all together which is future proofing. Things will get heavier on ram usage and gpu in next 2 years. And compared to base model 13inch air the pro has two extra gpu cores as well. Bear in mind zoom calls and the active filtering during a call if in parallel to the stuff you mentioned and teams or other chat app and whatever comes in future such as a type of ai co-pilot style software will all be using ram and gpus. So the extra 100-200 of an air 16gb with 512gb or a pro will be furure proofed foe next 3,4 years hopefully 5 years with emergence of new apps. This is a big fixed investement that apple does not allow to alter in future by adding ram or storage through a “not-agile” and “not-modern” approach to be honest. Modernity is supposed to be agile but anyway. On the other hand they give updates to laptops for lonf time.

I'm stuck with the same wondering...M3 Air or M3 Pro Pro

You need to focus on the Ram and Storage. At least 16 gb ram and 512 gb. If Air is much cheaper for those specs get it else get the Pro. Personally, I will get the 14 inch pro. The much better screen and ability to edit 4k videos faster and not having to worry about throttling is worth $300 more. Another tip, if you or a friend is traveling to USA you can buy it there its cheaper.

Thanks...I picked up the Macbook Pro 14" M3 Pro (12/18) this weekend! 18GB & 1TB@@Jamal.official300

@@Jamal.official300 thank you man!! I will focus on the ram and storage as you said.. I will probably go for the 14 inch pro as well.. thx a lot

@@Jamal.official300 thx...got the 14" m3 pro 12

for your usage, 8gb obviously

For web and general office why TF would you need a MBP? A $200 Chromebook would work for you.

General browising go for air except if care for Screen and audio. Pro is for use case of more than that generally

Yep, they’re idiots.

Get the air. I’m either one you will definitely want to get more ram at least

Weight is insignificant.

Just ordered a refurbished MacBook Pro, Apple M3 Pro Chip with 12‑Core CPU and 18‑Core GPU and 1 Tb SSD in Silver. It should do me for another 8 years like this one has lasted me.

Best Buy sucks. Hate all of their schemes.

You have a great laptop, don't rush out to upgrade unless there's a major change.

Walking around the city all day and I can tell you I miss the weight of the Air over some other laptops lol.

wait til you hear that you need to plug in a windows laptop to get full performance and they will throttle because of heat at full performance

I think that’s a decent spec and tackles the shortcomings of the Air base model.

that is not part of the mac*book* lineup

Exactly. Good choice. They all fault to mention the price creeps up to base model pro. Who wants to get a pro and not get more ram and ssd and use it to its capabilities? They don’t take in that fact the MacBook Pro needs more than base specs to make it a pro anyways

Neither

Not sure, I'm not an active player. But I believe I read it runs well - MMOs usually aren't too demanding

@@GregsGadgets Thanks G!

Is it? It’s been hard for me to get my Mac air to throttle.

@@nme6725 I guess you don't need a Mac Air?

yeah. i get the feeling they reverse engineer their prices downward, rather than up. The upgraded machines gather money from professionals and enthusiasts which helps fund the R&D, then they kind of artificially lower the price until they end up with a cheaper mass-market model (of which i'm 100% sure the margins are much tighter). It does make for stressful purchases that's for sure. At the same time... you do get more bang for buck now than with the older intel Macbooks. Pricey? yup... but at least now they have some pretty strong hardware features that make them at least somewhat unique. I'm not defending any shitty business practices... just a perspective. The thing is... professionals don't mind $300 here or there, when it's a laptop that could help them make $500,000 over the next few years. A laptop they're on for half their life (if not more). The RAM is a ripoff... but it's still good RAM and overall big picture... these machines last and they perform with very few failures. Imagine if we applied this kind of consumer scrutiny to the automobile market? Soooo many "nice to haves" being sold at insane prices.

@@halfalligator6518 I don’t feel you can honestly say they last at this point. Since the M Series we really don’t have long term data beyond what, 2020? And I don’t think they pulled that single chip SSD until M2 if I’m not mistaken. I have actual concerns about the SSD longevity considering SSD TBW is a real thing.

@@OShackHennessyI think that SSD worry has been put to bed. They're rated at handling about 10x more read/writes than any reasonable person would use (even with swap). I guess we'll see... i'm just going by Apples track record here and I've never had a Macbook fail on me (other than me damaging it). My wifes M1 Air is almost 4 years old and is good as new (no moving parts) - I'll be very surprised if it doesnt last another 6+.

How much does a reasonable person use with swap memory involved? TBW isn’t so high a reasonable person won’t achieve it.

@@OShackHennessy it was high initially when M1 dropped, but Apples patch reduced it a lot. I've seen some of the smarter youtubers run tests and came to conclusions that you'd have to be using an 8GB RAM model day-and-night for 10 years to even get past the hardware rating.... and even then that's usually a conservative rating and hardware lifespans usually extend well beyond that. Until you actually have evidence of failure I feel like it's not even worth worrying about.... like at all.

Thank you! I thought I was going insane that no one else caught that.

He probably was referring to laptops including the desk top.

Why ??

Yes. Maybe just upgrade the ram and it’s good to go.

Yeah I just got a refurbished m2 with 16/215. £320 cheaper