M3 MacBook Air 13" ➡ geni.us/NmOB M3 MacBook Air 15" ➡ geni.us/kMpdm M3 14" MacBook Pro ➡ geni.us/qk6qhg 14" M3 Pro/Max MacBook Pro ➡ geni.us/GJYD 16" M3 Pro/Max MacBook Pro ➡ geni.us/rHnvP M2 MacBook Air ➡ geni.us/Kg6bwJ

Makes sense. A M4 Ultra in the Studio would be a major marketing win. Now, if they would make an iPad Pro Ultra with MacOS/iPad Ultra OS they would quadruple that marketing win.

I'd like to point out that chip design takes years, so if all this is true, they anticipated all those problems when they started, and knew they'd have to solve them at some point, which is pretty admirable.

Will this be good enough to play solitaire (on max settings) and check my email at the same time? Or should I wait for M5?

Sounds interesting for making something for workstation class computing like the Mac Studio and Mac Pro are aimed at eliminate the E cores increase the P cores and not have to deal with bridgings two CPUs together. When going for performance the E cores with their slower timing just create timing issues, Apple's Logic doesn't use the E cores only the P cores my guess is the timing issues that could result for very timing dependent software. So this will be interesting to see what they do.

As transistor size decreases, their state (ON or OFF) is more susceptible to EM effects such as those that can be generated by the Fusion interconnect. Module interconnects act like antennas. I speculate that this may be a factor in ditching the Fusion architecture after M1 and M2 generations if in fact that is going to happen.

“But that’s just a theory, a CHIP theory! Thanks for watching.”

Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Ultra and extreme are reserved for the desktop so they don't need to carry components that benefits a portable design. And it also make sure that they should release the most powerful chip first before moving down to max > pro > base. Cannabized sales is one thing, another thing is then it won't have a situation where for example m4 base😅 coming out soon after chips like m3 pro and people don't know which to buy.

After 15 years I’m ready to upgrade my setup Let’s see what happens at WWDC

So does the n3b on M3 Air & Pro mean that future parts & repairs will be complicated bec of limited inventory? If the line was rushed, do they have any defects?

Apple will skip the M3 Ultra chip and go straight to the M4 Ultra chip, followed by the M4, M4 Pro, and M4 Max chips later next year. Well explained. You are a genius!

So if im looking to get a mac studio for professional video editing around the $2,000 range I should wait until June?

You have an interesting idea, and the whole thing with N3B and N3E makes it plausible. The one argument on the other side of introducing the big die version on a new process generation first is that manufacturing defect densities tend to be highest at the beginning of a new process. When defect densities are high there is a disproportionate loss of yields on big die vs small, which is why it’s typically more cost effective to ramp small-die products early in a new process and wait on ramping big dies until later when defect densities are lower. So all else equal, I would expect the regular Mx to be available sooner than the Mx Max or Ultra on the same process. This could be different with the M4 because of the circumstances you cite.

If Apple is serious about bringing more than 1 or 2 AAA games to the Mac they need to release a Mac for around $1500 that has more GPU cores than the base M series of chips. 20+ GPU cores to compete with the Nvidia 4070 GPUs unlike the base M3s that are more in the 2050/60 class.

What about an extreme fusion chip for the Mac Pro?

If my budgeting won’t allow me to get an M3 Max MacBook Pro until the fall, should I hold off through the fall til an M4 Max MacBook Pro comes around?

I have an M1 Max Studio and it's more than enough for me. CPU and GPU are fine for what I do. I could do with a bit more RAM but it's nice to know that Apple is still doing some good work on this line. I don't expect to get an Ultra but I'd expect them to make the Max better for M4, M5, etc. At this time, I could see myself waiting for 2 nm in 2026 unless my workload drastically changes. Thanks for the news details. I do look forward to see what they are going to do with the Ultra as they might bring some of those ideas to the lesser chips.

Maybe the Ultra chips going forward will be the next generation of chips before the lower levels are released

Wonder if this security issue with cache will be addresses in future chips?

lol ! Each year the same vidéos pattern. Last year, you announced directly the M3 Pro and Max without announcement of M3. It was a mistake and this year you go even further and predict a M4 ultra before the reveal of the M4 family. As no sense if a new chip is revealed at the WWDC it will be the M3 Ultra.

have they fixed the cache-related flaw though ?

There are still people rocking with the 2012 MacBook Air 😎

What about a fusion strip across the ultra to make the extreme for the Mac Pro?

Hey guys, do you have a studio tour video?

will the M4 Pro Mac Mini be the best value Mac again? Or just the M4 Mac Mini? Will gaming finally be viable on Macs?

This was a good analysis. Good catch on the N3b, that reasoning is very convincing

Why are they so violent, everytime I open UKposts it seems Apple is killing something 🤔

Wait, you mean they would release ipad M3 pro in may and the ipad M4 pro in june? Like why?

right now i am curies how will they patch the exploit in the m chips

Is this because of Snap Dragon pressure?

Re your speculation on M4 you have some good points. Looking back I think the M4 will be the processor that was designed after the breakthrough of Chat-GPT. Also a good point to start with the high end. Means with M4 there is the initial opportunity from Apple to improve the processors based on the Chat GPT knowledge.

What about Thunderbolt 5? Will we see TB5 on the new Mac Studios?

Seems like Qualcomm has started putting some pressure on apple as X Elite is on toe to toe with M3 Pro

This tells me, though it may be introduced during WWDC, it won't be available until the end of the year. M2 Max looking better.

How can a risc chip replace a x86 architecture?

I'm so glad that Apple is working so nicely and closely with TSMC! And yes, Apple is a genius, both in business and in tech!

M4 Mac mini would be insane to skip the M3 especially if the price tag doesn't go back to 700

Low-end-first never made much sense to me so seeing the MBPs released prior to MBAs was more logical. Apple should move to Ultra Mac Studio/Mac Pro first then Max Mac Studio, Max/Pro MacBook Pro & Pro Mini then Mini/iMac/MacBook Air/iPad.

What I’d give for the M4pro MB to be in stores by Black Friday. .. complete with 1TB SSD and 24gb (or at least 20?) standard specs.. for $1850 on sale. Testicles crossed.

Do you think the new Mac Studio will have Thunderbolt 5 ports?

Maybe the Studio will stick with only the M4 Ultra chip and just get a 3x or 4x binned version to replace the two base configurations.

Well-reasoned. And I hope you are correct on the Studio. Don't think they would release everything this WWDC, but releasing the M4 Studio and reversing the order of machine release like you mention makes sense.

If true, perhaps the Nuvia folks are piling the pressure. Their chips seem more catered for high performance. Apple perhaps wants to ensure it maintains leadership and design the new Ultras to be more performant

Maybe they are planning to move the ultrafusion connector from the M3 Max to the new redesigned M3 Ultra. So they can combine 2 of those to create an even faster, lets say M3 Mega chip which they can put in the mac pro tower.

I don't see why apple would use the new node for the ultra chips. Any silicon that uses the new node id imagine apple will use that to make as much iPhone silicon as it makes them the most money.

great video, been looking for the details on this. I really need to upgrade my M1 Mac Mini, started doing 3D work and it's chugging. but definitely wanted to know more about the next studio. Definitely going to order this if it's got the M4.

Chomping at the bit for the new Mac Studio or Pro with M4 chip and Ray Tracing. Had to buy a custom PC, for my design software, that does ray trace renderings.

Ipads are too late now

Here’s 2x more speculation. 1) Perhaps the hardware security flaw in the M3 chips has led to Apple redesigning the M3 chip to incorporate a fix. In that case, the new chip may simply be an M3’. However, if Apple is contemplating leading the M4 generation with M4 Ultra, that would be quite an engineering feat. The logical progression engineering-wise is simple to complex. According to your speculation, M4 Ultra first would mean they push the envelope first and then (simply) strip down and add back some efficiency cores. Sounds unlikely, but I hope you’re right. Marketing-wise, it would be great. Put out the heavy-hitting hardware first, and then feed the masses with normal kit. 2) Let’s say you’re right. With all the delays on M2 and M3, perhaps M4 generation is the perfect generation to jump the gun on Ultra. Apple has (in theory) had way more time to design the M3 then M4 than anticipated. Maybe the engineering team has a fully designed Neural Core in hand burning to put into silicon. If so (and the AI bump M4 rumors are true), then not only could Apple nip the security flaw in the bud with M4 Ultra, but they could roll out their latest AI Neural hardware sooner than later… in keeping with their AI push for 2024 Apple WWDC. That would be great. And that would wet the appetite of developers for AI tooling in 2024 (M4 Ultra), and consumers for AI support in 2025 (M4 etc.). Max, I hope you are onto something. It would be an engineering miracle if Apple pulled it off. And I”m not sure it would automatically work for the next (M5) generations of hardware. An M4 Ultra “one off” perhaps? I would love those more numerous, powerful Neural cores now rather than another 2x years from now. Fingers crossed.

What about Mac mini? It still has m2

I don't think the Apple will be skip the M3 Ultra, it's has more sense make the fully redesigning the Ultra chip into one big chip, that use the N3E, with newest technologies and more, and calling the M3 Ultra, because the Mac Studio still will come alongside with the M3 Max Chip, and in end of the year they fully surprise our with the M3 Extreme, build from the 2 M3 Ultra Chip in the Mac Pro.

I would be 100% giddy if Apple released a new M4 Max Mac Studio along with the M4 Ultra version. Bring

I'm confused, if Apple are buying all the 3nm Chips, what are AMD using for their Chips that are supposed to be on the 3nm process?

When do we think M3 Mac Studio is coming

Wonder if the M4 if it happens then would fix the cache bugs: ‘Go Fetch’, etc.

just bring back the imac to it's full glory. We've waited 4 years 😭

I can easily make the most out of those efficiency cores with Handbrake and Reaper

What I think is, instead of the Max chip being the high end of developement, since the Apple Silicon is now matured, the Ultra chips would become the high end and will contain the ultrafusion technology. The Apple Car had something similar , where they fused 4 ultra chips together for the computing process. Well, lets see.

Perfect. Time to upgrade my old Mac Mini :)

Makes a ton of sense to just build the Ultra chip from the ground up without the extra shit. Releasing it first is cool too cause then when the other M4 chips come out, you can compare performance to the best chip and see how close you can get to the best performance Mac.

makes sense, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple sold M4 Ultra and M3 Max Mac Studio simultaneously though (skipping M4 Max)

So I agree with everything you are saying but the piece I think you are missing that makes everything fit together is that they are going to rebrand this chip as the D1 and differentiate it from the M series (mobile) as a dedicated desktop line of chips. It will support higher wattage and have no efficiency cores and better graphics and ai and io support for the desktop. This will finally make clear their full lineup of A series (phone), M series (mobile) and D series (desktop) silicon. It would not surprise me at all if they release D1 and D1 pro and maybe even higher for the Mac Pro. But I’m sure they are going to announce their entire new desktop lineup at wwdc.

Maybe this is the way forward, next-gen Apple Silicon is first introduced in the high-end pro machines (Mac Studio, Pac Pro), followed by MacBook Pro, and they ensure MacBook Air is mostly running previous gen Apple Silicon. This may prevent cannibalisation by MacBook Air to some extent.

Why do they refuse to give us the black color we want? Why are they so set on matching the 2011 Mac Mini's esthetics?

I don't know if we should believe in M4 this soon after the first M3 chips. M3 came out at Halloween 2023, and now 7 months later we gonna see M4? I just hope that Mac Studio and Pro will get updated on WWDC 2024! Either M3 or M4. It's only 2 months left now!! That's 8-9 weeks or so. Insane!

Think the only way is if they got games working on Mac and they optimized games to work through their translation layer .

6:15 Hmm makes sense

they will not release the complete m4 lineup on wwdc, because it is a software conference... m4 ultra & m4 extreme for mac pro, and m4 ultra and m4 max for studio could be the line-up for wwdc

yep makes sense I'm convinced

I think it will happen like this: Mac mini will get M3 and M3 Pro. Mac Studio will get the M4 Pro and M4 Ultra. Mac Pro will get the M4 Ultra

What about m3 extreme ?

Good take as always Max! Surely will be exciting to see what they will show us on WWDC, might give us a peak...

My 2017 iMac Pro is getting VERY long in the tooth, and I'm patiently waiting for whatever they are going to call the next-gen Mac Studio processors.

Omg 5 minutes in and still no M4 mentioned

what about the mac mini though? for those of us who want a desktop mac but dont need a studio

I think Apple might do a complete M4 release dump like you said at the end. M4, M4 Pro, M4Max, M4 Ultra, run through these chips, trying to get people who bought into the M1 generation to upgrade to M4... THEN release M5 a year after with Thunderbolt 5 support. The M5 will be on the next die. Personally, I won't upgrade again until Thunderbolt 5 comes out on the M series.

Great news. Thanks for the great video and the detailed information.

My theory here, based on some evidence. With the M1 and M2 chips, Apple had essentially scaled MX to MX Pro and that to MX Max, two of which made the MX Ultra. But the M3 series chips took a very different approach. Apple designed the chip layout for M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max completely seperately. It's not a mere scaling in terms of chip layout. Hence, I believe (and hope) something similar is gonna happen to the M3 Ultra too.

Damn I'd like to see an M4 MAX Mac Studio or even M4 Pro release during WWDC... I had my eyes on an M2 Pro/Max but maybe I'll go M4 Pro/Max this time lol

I'm not Apple fan but with this pace they will be the company to build a ready-player-one machine

So they are going to go to Maximum yield for the Ultra and then bin down Max and Pro instead of maximum core function on mid chip with poor yields at higher concentrations.

These brothers are the GOATS. Literally. Good job fellas. Don't forget the LOGIC BENCHMARKS!

omg what an amazing development. Are you really telling med they will replace the M3 with the M4? I could never have imagined that. /s

I'm just waiting for a M3 Mac Studio to be released. If those leaks with M4 chips are real... WOW! It will worth the wait! 🙏

Maybe Apple stops the M3 Max-option in the MacStudio, and they do an additional MacMini-version with the M3 Max. The cooling shouldnt be a problem. And the Mac Studio comes in the future with an Ultra-chip only...

BREAKING NEWS! The next chip, the next iPhone the next Mac’s will ALL be faster than years prior. I know right? Unbelievable!!!! Just when everyone was thinking they were going to make them slower!

Counter-thought is that there wasn't Ultra-Fusion interconnect on M3 chips if they were using the N3B node for only one "cycle" of chips, specific to one chip using it. It would be cheaper to use the wafer space to cram out extra chips without the interconnect and skip an Ultra version for a cycle when most M2 Ultra users might not even upgrade to it. I wouldn't count it being discarded, and returning with the M4 going back to the industry standard N3E. Also, since Apple was doing everything to be first to market with 3nm, it would make sense for them to make more of the smaller chips, netting more on each wafer as well as selling them first in the Air to recoup the investment quicker than a bigger die/less chips per wafer/more expensive Macs.

Can it run Crysis ?

Apple is going to earn money, as much as they can. The only realistic option is releasing M4 Ultra, to make the difference between more expensive products even bigger. As they do right now with iPhones Pro and non-Pro models, non-Pro is using last year chip. Same could probably happen here, that the Ultra Mac Studio will have the latest and greatest chip, and everything else literally its predecessor.

If they go all out and release all the M4 chips, we can expect massive discounts on all variants of M2 MacBooks which imho are still better bang for the buck for majority of people.

I can totally perceive the slight “glitch” from the N3B chip in my iPhone 15 Pro Max … You can’t really see it, it’s like you can feel the flawed chip in your gut. It’s hard to explain … you just know you’re using a flawed chip … you can sense it … like, my right eye will twinge a little … you know?

Completely fair strategy. That is also exactly why Nvidia releases xx90 GPUs first.

I’m still on the M1 Ultra Studio and it does everything I need …maybe I’ll be ready to spend $6k on an upgrade when we get to the M6 Ultra Studio.

That's cool, but I feel apple is out of luck considering they don't have the same software support that AMD and Intel have. Cuda support, nope... Rocm? Nope... AMD, nvidia and Intel all have arm licenses. Here's what I think is going to happen, X86 will be phased out... Why, X86 processors are 16 bit affairs, the processor bit depth is managed by the firmware (bios), cpu real mode is handled by the operating system. Aarch64 on the other hand is a 64 bit processor, from the ground up. The value of not having to shift through registers in arms risc architecture makes it more efficient, less power hungry and more resilient to race conditions. An arm processor with low level support of Intel op codes could really change computing, and I think this is what's next. Intel and AMD will have an X86 / arm hybrid. Sounds farfetched but AMD already has their versal lineup, and they have explicitly reported having arms amba directly on die for their next X86 cpu's ... Within 10 years, we'll have an X86/ arm hybrid... mark my words...

Nothing will kill Intal and AMD except the death of Windows. Since 90% of computers run Windows, Intel and AMD are going to be just fine. Even the Snapdragon for Windows on ARM is a niche product.

I always did think the cheaper products releasing first was backwards. Rewarding premium early adopters and forcing those on a budget to wait makes more sense.

Does anyone know if they are releasing a new display?

Count me in as one of those waiting for a studio update.

i think the interconnection of two die is a great idea but it can be better. M3/M4 Ultra can have a CPU, NPU and other stuff on one die and a big GPU die connect directly to CPU die this technique will be much faster. A GPU don't really need the best connection possible between CPU and GPU but all GPU core need that it's better for scaling GPU. It's the same thing with CPU with less impact than GPU, probably the same with NPU one bigger better than 2 small with "slow" interconnect. It is probably the only way to make a really big gap performance between MAX and ULTRA because MAX chip are already big Apple can't double the performance in only one die it's almost impossible/unprofitable to double the size of the SOC die...

Instead of coming up with new macs every year (or even shorter between the duration of M2 and M3 series), can they just release a new studio display with pro motion (120hz)? 😢 I think it would be ideal if they could drop a cheaper version catered to consumers too. (Perhaps, it might push their desktops sales as a complement product)