Maestro Explained: Why You Probably Misunderstood It

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Cinema Detective

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Bradley Cooper's 2023 Netflix film might well be Oscar bait, but that don't mean it can't be a great movie at the same time.
It falls shorts because it's a little confusing at times.
In this video I analyse the plot and fill in any holes to help explain the film.

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@charlesbarber8166
@charlesbarber8166 4 місяці тому
If you've not seen Bernstein's CANDIDE, you might not be aware of the significance of "any questions?" It is the very last line in that show, and is spoken by Dr Pangloss/Voltaire. Cooper's use of that exact line is the real meaning of the same text in MAESTRO.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
Thanks that's a great reference!
@andredarin8966
@andredarin8966 4 місяці тому
Who cared if I didn’t get it? I found it disappointing, far from what I hoped for.
@charlesbarber8166
@charlesbarber8166 4 місяці тому
You're most welcome. @@TheCinemaDetective
@ktom5262
@ktom5262 4 місяці тому
@glennkorbel8966 - You are right, nobody cares what you get or don't get.
@srothbardt
@srothbardt 4 місяці тому
@@TheCinemaDetectiveI agree.
@0zoneTherapyW0rks
@0zoneTherapyW0rks 3 місяці тому
The Bernsteins moved into a 4 BR Dakota apartment in NYC, but one year later, Leonard moved in with his boyfriend in southern CA. One year later, Felicia fell ill. Leonard came back to be with her in her final year. It's clear that even though "they had an agreement", it was eating away at her, as depicted in the balcony scene, growing irritation at his lover living with her family and when she is so fed up with his narcissism that she jumps into the pool, presumably to scream in silence.
@ellenorchid01
@ellenorchid01 2 місяці тому
You nailed it!
@ellenorchid01
@ellenorchid01 4 місяці тому
Thank you so, so much for your thoughtful review. I've watched "Maestro" four times, getting new insight each time. I think the script is wonderful - the writing is underwritten at times, economical. For example: After Felicia's lung cancer diagnosis, they sit back to back in the park and she starts to smoke. Lenny hears a click and says "Is that a cigarette lighter"?" Felicia responds: "Mind your business". That says it all, economically. There are so many other brilliant things in this script. The performances are all superb. Eye-opening. I always admired Carey Mulligan's work but here - WOW. A transformation that is a revelation of a woman's soul. So real. Sarah Silverman and Maya Hawke were just great. Wow again. Bradley Cooper - giant "bravo" on your acting, directing, writing, producing. If I had to pick one adjective for this film, it would be "Bold".
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
Yes very economical, "put all your weight on me" was a nice line in that scene too Did you see it in the cinema or have you watched it 4 times in the last 11 days? )) Thanks for watching!
@ellenorchid01
@ellenorchid01 4 місяці тому
4 times in the last 11 days
@michaelglidden4765
@michaelglidden4765 4 місяці тому
I the youngest of four from a broken marriage, my mother came out in my thirties and remarried to a wonderful woman who I'm proud to have as a stepmother... I'm also a lifelong musician. I felt a personal connection with the subject matter that is probably on a different level than most, I can't wait to sit and discuss it with them. The use of black and white, and color scenes mirror the coming of color tv, the cigarettes, and wardrobe, and even the cinematography really capture the era and left me with an unsettling sense of nostalgia. I've had teachers that were just as passionate about music's ability to convey emotion as words cannot express... This one hit home for me... it's a masterpiece.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
Thanks for your comment and the sub ) That's the great thing about movies, they speak to everyone differently, and if they have a personal relevance they can resonate deeply. That's maybe partly why one person's masterpiece is another persons piece of s**t. I don't think there's such a thing as objectively good or bad. I hope your discussion with your mother and stepmother furthers your enjoyment and appreciation of the film )
@roselangguth5609
@roselangguth5609 4 місяці тому
Thank you for your in-depth review. I've watched interviews of Bradley Cooper and he's always contended that he did not want to film a biopic. This was a love story for the ages, and in my opinion, a film worthy of an Oscar nod.
@vincentprice4076
@vincentprice4076 4 місяці тому
A love story for the ages? He was a gay man forced to marry someone who knew exactly what she was getting. This wasn’t a love story. It was a straight version of a gay life made by a straight men. And it was boring, naturally
@Gee-xb7rt
@Gee-xb7rt 4 місяці тому
Making a love story out of a dysfunctional relationship is a problem though, and I think people don't quite have the words for that, but its what underlies a lot of the criticisms. It just feels contrived to pretend he needs gay sex or he will die as a reason to keep a broken marriage going. Its like watching Bradley Cooper wiggle a doll's arm for two hours, nobody is buying what he is selling.
@martian-sunset
@martian-sunset 4 місяці тому
Terrific breakdown. This wasn't your standard glamorous Hollywood biopic, for sure. It wasn't about conducting. It wasn't about Mahler's 2nd. It wasn't a documentary about LB's contribution to musical education. It was simply a movie about the dichotomy between a very complicated, tortured, unhappy man who became one of the greatest musicians of our time, his unrestrained need for love and fame and the woman caught in the middle. I was somewhat surprised the family approved and give Cooper a lot of credit for going there. A brilliant film.
@NateGH36O
@NateGH36O 4 місяці тому
I assume this is is exactly the reason the kids approved of it. They were raised by one of the great artists of our time, so of course they’d have artistic standards as to how their parent’s relationship was brought to the screen. I don’t doubt there’s been countless biopic suggestions for Bernstein that the family did not approve of.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
Here's Bradley Cooper on getting approval: I had to go and meet the three children, Nina, Alex, and Jamie, and try to convince them to trust me enough to give me the rights to the music for however long amount of years the contract would be. David, I had no story. There was no script. I showed them the movie, A Star is Born, and I told them what I just told you. I said, "It's a very big fire burning inside me for a conductor, and I won't ever make a movie I don't believe in", and they said, yes.
@joanr3189
@joanr3189 4 місяці тому
Good observation. Thanks. .
@lucasr621
@lucasr621 3 місяці тому
Well then it shouldn’t have been called Maestro, frankly, because it misled its audience big time. Should’ve been called “Bernstein in Love” or something. I actually might’ve liked it but I came into it craving specific insight into his work and genius and all we got was snippets of Bradley imitating a flamboyant conductor. Didn’t tell me anything about what made him specifically great. All we wanted was a recreation of Bernstein yelling at Jose Carreras 😂 not to mention the fact there was basically no Candide or WSS but the art direction of the film and Carey were out of this world.
@thecuttinggardener361
@thecuttinggardener361 4 місяці тому
This is the best review I’ve seen so far. Strong work. My husband and I were just saying that we need to watch it again to try to glean more the second time around.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
Thanks very much ))
@janotis8288
@janotis8288 4 місяці тому
Thank you. I so agree with your observations.I went to see it 3 times as I was so drawn to it and wanted to understand what I was witnessing. I’ve since done a deep dive into his life.
@83638ischia
@83638ischia 4 місяці тому
I really appreciate your review. The movie wasn’t perfect, but I could grasp what it was trying to accomplish. I, too, gleaned more of the nuances after a 2nd viewing. I studied classical music, so I already knew the overall history of Bernstein, and I actually really liked Bradley Cooper’s unusual take on the bio-pic. A lot of subtle text and story to enlighten Felicia & Lenny’s unique relationship.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
Thank you!
@chambermuses7802
@chambermuses7802 3 місяці тому
This is such a perspicacious analysis and appreciation! Thank you for sharing, confirming, and raising subtle questions!
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 3 місяці тому
Thanks for your kind words!
@suzetteanthony5181
@suzetteanthony5181 4 місяці тому
Thanks for filling in the gaps in this movie. I'm, going to watch it again.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
Thanks! Enjoy the rewatch!
@tvfilmfl
@tvfilmfl 3 місяці тому
I studied filmaking. A fantastic professor once said, "If it's screenworthy you don't have to explain your work. It's meaning should be on the screen." This movie needed a video, many people who did research after seeing it, reading professional critic's words and multiple viewings as the sound design of the dialogue was awful with lines garbled. Bradley Cooper may expect awards and have entered awards season with high hopes, but I don't believe he'll go home with many, if any. 6+ years of research, seriously??? Though his "A Star Is Born" was a good start, I found myself wanting a refund of my time after watching "Maestro".
@pinkstrad
@pinkstrad 4 місяці тому
Thanks for this review-as a classical musician, it was always going to be difficult to process this movie under the weight of the expectations I had for it. The scene I felt the most confused by initially was their fight-I wished there had been more set-up to her accusation of him having hate in his heart (whether she meant it or was only trying to hit him where it hurt.) I thought the breakdown/dysfunction of their relationship felt a bit glossed over and not deeply explored before the Resurrection scene. Anyway, this video had some good insight that I had missed, thanks!
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
A lot of people were unhappy that the film didn't cover Bernstein the musician. I think that it did in a way, it was just indirect. Bernstein viewed his main purpose as a composer and was disappointed with his output in that regard. The problem, as he understood it, was that he loved people too much and couldn't settle in the type of solitary, private life that a composer needs to work. Felicia was a supporter of his composing, in the film she dragged Lenny away from Koussevitzky's dinner party telling him she wanted to hear all his compositions. At the house party she's telling her friends that Lenny should be at home composing. Bernstein is thought to have composed his best works during periods of his life where he was living a more settled family life. In the fight she's not only angry at him for not being discreet about his relationships, she angry that he is squandering his gift for composing. They betrayal isn't only to her for the indiscretion she feels he's betraying the art. The hate she is accusing him of is self-hated and self-sabotage. The dysfunction in their relationship was representing the inner conflict within Bernstein that was, in his own opinion, the reason that he never reached the composing heights of his hero Mahler. At least I think that's what Cooper was going for. Yes, this is a kind of negative perspective on his musical legacy. Fans would want to see a movie reflecting on what he did achieve rather than what he failed to do, but Bernstein himself was disappointed in that side of his musical life. Anyway, I'm glad you liked the video )
@Reflectors1
@Reflectors1 3 місяці тому
Familiarity with the subject matter helps to appreciate the work yet over familiarity can distance your ability the convey the story of it to others. So true with most things in life.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 3 місяці тому
Yes... the curse of knowledge. You're so right that it generalises to lots of areas of life. The better you know something the harder it is to imagine not knowing it. Thanks for the comment and for watching the video all the way to the end!
@joanr3189
@joanr3189 4 місяці тому
By the end of the film I was exhausted by the maestro’s overwhelming personality, and wished for the movie to end so I could go home. As an orchestral musician, I had other hopes and expectations which weren’t met. But this narrator’s accent is magic.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
I hate it when that happens, wanting a movie to end. For me it usually happens with action scenes. The superhero movies for example, I usually enjoy the first half when they are setting up the characters and am then bored to death by the drawn out action for the conclusion. Thanks for your comment and the accent comes all the way from Scotland :)
@chriswilson8487
@chriswilson8487 3 місяці тому
Brilliant review. I now realise how much I missed….or misunderstood. A new subscriber, thank you.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 3 місяці тому
Thanks very much for subscribing. As a new UKpostsr it's very encouraging when people enjoy the video and want to see more!
@PhuzzPhactor
@PhuzzPhactor 4 місяці тому
This analysis is outstanding.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
If you meant my video rather than Maestro then thanks very much ) I'm new to UKposts and any words of encouragement are much appreciated :) If you meant Maestro then I wouldn't say it was outstanding but it was very good especially after I was armed with a bit more background info to their relationship.
@PhuzzPhactor
@PhuzzPhactor 4 місяці тому
Edited! 😅 And yes, please be encouraged. Clear, concise, and correct. As your newest subscriber, I'm excited for more!
@MrHambone43
@MrHambone43 4 місяці тому
You said it. Brilliant video!
@atlantamx3
@atlantamx3 4 місяці тому
This is a really wonderful breakdown. Thank you!
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
You're welcome ) Glad you got something out it!
@Lalala-xb1mk
@Lalala-xb1mk 4 місяці тому
Great analysis! As you point out, the marriage/duality theme was so artfully done in the movie. There was also that scene when Felicia's daughter remembers the time Felicia takes her to a barmiza, and describes how the fashionable boy takes his time reading and greeting his guests before finally making his way to the rabbi, which Felicia drolly describes as "and here comes the bride." Now it makes complete sense! Thanks for the awesome review ❤
@sarahpassell226
@sarahpassell226 4 місяці тому
I think you meant bar mitzvah,, no?
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
Thank you!
@liberalaccidental
@liberalaccidental 4 місяці тому
Great, insightful review. I think those disappointed that the film didn’t feature more of LB’s career/political activities are missing the whole point of the film, which you explain very well. I agree that those scenes you mention, particularly the one with Koussevitsky and the “let’s give it a whittle” one are truly key to understanding the point of the film, and many viewers can miss it
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
Thanks, glad you liked it. I think it was about LB's musical career in a way, just not directly. In his own assessment composing was the most important thing he could do, but didn't feel he lived up to his potential as a composer, he found it very difficult to engage in the solitude and quiet life that he felt was conducive to writing great music and he blamed his love of people and social life for that. I think that's why the interview scene was included. It was expository. Bernstein is much celebrated but his own view was that he underachieved and the movie explored that idea through the lens of his relationship with Felicia.
@mrplatink
@mrplatink 4 місяці тому
This video makes me want to go watch it again!
@jennifersinclair5988
@jennifersinclair5988 4 місяці тому
Thank you so much for the video, I really agree with what you say. I was lucky enough to watch a few youtube videos about Lenny and Felicia's relationship before I watched the movie, so I could get a lot of the nuances. I have thought, since watching, that Felicia's change of heart against Lenny could have to do with her age. All women go through a great deal of change at mid-life and it might have made her less tolerant, or just needing someone to be angry with. As time passes, the hormonal fires abate, and perhaps she just calmed down. I really agree that it is difficult to know why Felicia entered the marriage, and understanding that her true passionate lover died gives her some motivation. Maybe she was lonely. I was also, as were you, struck by the fact that the closing credits gave Felicia the title of Maestro, and agree with your understanding of it. I could go on and on about this movie. I watched a breakdown of the score by Cooper and his sound guys. I read about the aspect ratios, the black and white, the color - I think Cooper just took all aspects of cinema to tell his story. I loved what he did and I look forward to seeing it again.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
I think that when you are deeply in love with someone you are ready to forgive them everything. She set herself an impossible task, to do it all without feeling a sense of sacrifice, but it was always going to crack eventually. If you want to dig deeper I'd recommend reading the 1950 letter Lenny wrote to his sister Shirley: "I would marry [Felicia] tomorrow...how through I am with the conductor-performer life (except where it really matters) and how ready I am for inner living, which means composing and Felicia." www.loc.gov/item/2023777377/ It really sheds light on Lenny's feelings towards Felicia.
@jennifersinclair5988
@jennifersinclair5988 4 місяці тому
Oh no, I wrote you a reply and then accidentally erased it. Probably better like that! Thank you for your kindness in providing the link, I read the letter and it did help me to understand them a little better. @@TheCinemaDetective
@Reflectors1
@Reflectors1 3 місяці тому
Thank you.
@stephenfletcher6801
@stephenfletcher6801 4 місяці тому
Brilliant movie with incredible performances. Your analysis is GREAT!!!
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
Thank you!
@janotis8288
@janotis8288 4 місяці тому
Loved it saw it 3 times in the theater 15:40
@barbarabrooker2502
@barbarabrooker2502 3 місяці тому
Maestro is a MASTERPIECE! Just as Leonard Bernstein was, and his gifted elegant wife.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 3 місяці тому
It's nice to hear from a Bernstein fan who was happy with the movie and not annoyed that it focused on his relationship with Felicia :)
@audreyquinn73
@audreyquinn73 4 місяці тому
It's important to remember that women were not allowed to have their own bank accounts until the 70s. What could Felicia do after Robert Harte died? Lenny was a marriage of convenience, but in fairness, many marriages were and still are, unfortunately. Edit: Misspelt Felicia.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
I take your point, I'd imagine Felicia would have many suitors but there would have been considerable societal pressure on Felicia to marry too. She was 29 when she married which was a lot older than the average for the time. She might have felt that the clock was ticking, also it wasn't that there was zero romance between her and Lenny. He wrote glowing letters to his sister when she was with Richard Hart saying how he missed her and that they were meant to be together.
@ronwren1
@ronwren1 4 місяці тому
I think this film is a masterpiece.Any questions?
@envrie9423
@envrie9423 4 місяці тому
I need to get off the internet and stop reading everyone’s negative comments about this film haha it’s making me angry. I absolutely loved this film, it may be one of my favorite films of all time but it’s a shame that it’s widely misunderstood
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
Well... that's the internet for you! ))
@jims7383
@jims7383 4 місяці тому
Stop throwing around that word, this movie is not a masterpiece. Seven Samurai, Goodfellas, There Will be Blood are masterpieces. This movie was mediocre according to me and most people and according to some fringe critics it was a pretty good movie.
@envrie9423
@envrie9423 4 місяці тому
@@jims7383 no you’re right maestro is too far above your interpretive prowess, go back to your modernist straight forward entertainment
@virtualworlddisorderrealit1848
@virtualworlddisorderrealit1848 4 місяці тому
why did they make him look like Bela Lugosi??? Sorry, I couldn't stop laughing a few times. Then he shows up as George Hamilton, who once received an honorary degree from the International Smart Tan Network... Oh well, there were a few snazzy lines like something about him becoming an old queen! She steals the show, if you ask me...
@Absurdist1968
@Absurdist1968 4 місяці тому
A side story: Matt Bomer here plays another gay man who ends up married to a woman in the interest of respectability, in fact at Bernstein's suggestion. David married actress Judy Holliday, a woman that Lenny briefly considered marrying himself.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
Yes that's interesting ) David Oppenheim (Matt Bomer) was married 3 times. His first marriage was to Judy Holliday. The woman in the scene in the park was his second wife Ellen Adler and the line "Can I tell you a secret? I’ve slept with both your parents" from the movie was sourced by scriptwriter Josh Singer from Ellen Adler's daughter and apparently Bernstein also dated Adler for a time. David Oppenheim was also Bernstein's best man at his wedding.
@evanstansbury7483
@evanstansbury7483 4 місяці тому
Holliday had a relationship with author Patricia Highsmith. So complicated!
@ellenorchid01
@ellenorchid01 2 місяці тому
Lenny was sitting on the piano bench next to Ellen Adler when Felicia enters the party
@sarahpassell226
@sarahpassell226 4 місяці тому
Well done! More insight than most (any?) professionals brought to their reviews. But then, they were writing on deadline. And I feel compelled to say that I found both Mulligan's and Cooper's performances strained. I've known intellectuals who 'converse' like they're delivering lines composed by Shakespeare , but one senses they are performing for their own entertainment.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
Yes they did talk a little oddly, particularly that scene I included where Lenny meets Felicia at the party. I think it's partly trying to mimic the speech of the time, a lot of the dialogue is closely modelled on existing interviews, but partly being a little heavy handed in the script with exposition dialogue.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
And thank you!
@yahoo864
@yahoo864 3 місяці тому
Bradley wasn't born to do a "regular" biopic. Passion mixed with genius, not easily explained nor created.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 3 місяці тому
It was a brave choice, it would have been easier to play it safe and do a regular biopic, I think he deserves credit for that :)
@julia_gorodetskaya
@julia_gorodetskaya 4 місяці тому
Well, the director did say that it was her choice. And that it was a health that was sacrificed to the decision.
@inherentearte363
@inherentearte363 3 місяці тому
increíble reflexión y crítica
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 2 місяці тому
Thank you!
@stenfjord1
@stenfjord1 4 місяці тому
Congratulations. Your review comes the closest to any I have run across which shows in my mind a better and deeper understanding of what the film MAESTRO intended than the other reviews I have encountered. I still feel dissatisfaction with one aspect of the film which no one has addressed, and I feel it was a mistake made by Cooper himself, for whatever personal reasons he had. Leonard Bernstein was a good composer, but he was a GREAT conductor, and it was in conducting that his greatest gifts to the world of music were given. Even the title of the film, MAESTRO, always refers to a conductor, not a composer. And no review which I have read discusses the importance in the film of Gustav Mahler, although Mahler's music flooded the film's soundtrack. In comparison, only a smattering of Bernstein's compositions were ever realized in the film. And the recognition of Mahler's music was one of Bernstein's best legacies. He turned even the German audiences' attention to a composer they had basically ignored during the time of the Nazis. But this is, of course, only my opinion and a disappointment, perhaps, for only me.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
Thank you! I think Cooper's decision to focus on the love story at the expense of Bernstein's musical achievements was always going to leave Bernstein fans or even classical music fans dissatisfied. But in serving up something more palatable to a general audience he might in the end lead more people to learn something about Bernstein's musical influence than a more musically focused biopic would have. I think the door has been opened and left ajar for anyone that wants to walk through.
@highbaritone
@highbaritone 4 місяці тому
I totally agree with you. I was mesmerized by the film. I wondered what he would do with it. He couldn’t possibly do it all. I loved the film, though I knew very little of his marriage. Thank you.
@ellenorchid01
@ellenorchid01 2 місяці тому
Bernstein had brown eyes, so why didn’t Bradley wear brown contact lenses?
@geocosmicvalentine
@geocosmicvalentine 4 місяці тому
I really enjoyed your breakdown of MAESTRO. I, too, thought that many people wouldn’t “get” everything that this film was offering and would, instead, feel the absence of it being an actual autobiography of his entire life and musical contribution and experience. However, I had to remember that the film was clearly marketed as a film about Leonard Bernstein’s relationship with his wife, not a film about the entire substance of his life as a legendary artist. I’ve also come to believe that more people will fully understand what’s actually happening in the relationship because there are so many more marriages that have this kind of arrangement than couples actually reveal. I’m a middle aged jazz/pop musician, I was 22 when Leonard Bernstein died and was aware at the time that he was considered bisexual. In our current age, we now understand that there is a broad spectrum of sexuality and gender and each individual falls somewhere on that spectrum and there is less pressure to choose or be one way or even have to be a gender. Today people can identify as non-binary. We’ve come a very long way. But this is solidly a story of their individual relationship and how they coped with its complications and I actually believe more people will understand it than assumed. Especially in the artistic community, there are thousands of relationships like this. I think Bradley Cooper was brave to choose this part of Lenny’s life to portray on film, it’s a huge risk, even with powerhouse executive producers like Steven Spielberg and Martin Scorcese. But I suspect it will do well with the awards.
@JJTMStudio
@JJTMStudio 3 місяці тому
Well done, sir.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 3 місяці тому
Thanks for watching!
@PabloAfroSamurai
@PabloAfroSamurai 2 місяці тому
Excellent video, I got more out of the movie because of it and I plan to rewatch it, motivated by your commentary. Cheers mate
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 2 місяці тому
Thanks Pablo! This is exactly the response I'm hoping for when people watch my videos. I'm finding myself that rewatching movies often reveals more and the 2nd viewing can be more enjoyable than the 1st! It's funny that with films we often watch just once then discard them never to be seen again, if we compare with songs or albums for example the best listen is rarely the 1st, we need to time to let a song grow on us and to understand it better. Thanks for your comment!
@PabloAfroSamurai
@PabloAfroSamurai 2 місяці тому
@@TheCinemaDetective I completely agree! My favourite movies, videogames and albums have had multiple rewatches and replays on my part, and I get something new out of it every single time. Thank you for a wonderful video essay!
@ZZSmithReal
@ZZSmithReal 4 місяці тому
Good breakdown. I haven't re-watched it (I don't know if I want to subject myself to that) but IMHO I think the the people behind this film did not ultimately have the courage to make the film that was there to be made. I suspect the nature of the relationship depicted would probably have been much less palatable. This film puts a high gloss on a relationship of significant compromises and convenience. A more up front depiction I think would have been much more compelling, delving into the compromises people make in order to be allowed the opportunity to create art that will reach an audience and ensure social acceptance.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 3 місяці тому
Thanks for the comment! I can appreciate that point of view.
@ellenritt7667
@ellenritt7667 4 місяці тому
I can’t watch movies with the amount of smoking. So many things are modified for creative reasons in all films. This should be one.
@chadcappadona8520
@chadcappadona8520 3 місяці тому
Don't think he was quite interesting enough to make a movie about him
@mozartsbumbumsrus7750
@mozartsbumbumsrus7750 4 місяці тому
Ah, but you misunderstand. I was attached to my mother through her umbilical cord, yes, but she was not being born; I was alone being born myself. When I die, no one dies with me or shares in my death. I die alone.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
Well we can break a melody down to individual notes, each one begins and ends distinct in time from the others, this is true, but context is everything when it comes to the function and meaning of that note. And an individual, though he or she may seem separate, is always part of the melody of life. But we're getting off topic from the film so I'll stop there )
@mozartsbumbumsrus7750
@mozartsbumbumsrus7750 4 місяці тому
@TheCinemaDetective I certainly understand you and I fully agree with you. It's a tragedy that sapiens all over and around the world do not understand or agree. Take the Zionists who think that they are the "chosen people" and all others are insects like the Palestinians, or the Nazi aryan "race" above all others, and ALL nations that have something called a "border", which is 100% pure racism. Homosexual, gay, or fluid sexuality, such as Lenny regarded himself pretend to be different and separate. Everything is connected to everything in bioligical terms and evolutionary, historically, and every other conceivable way. But we sapiens don't get it. We are programmed by past evolution to be hardwired to regard us vs. them. We vs Other. Family vs. Strangers. Evolution has not caught up with progress or technology or agriculture or now with Global Heating Climate Emergency. Sapiens has stopped adapting. That can only mean extinction,that we are rushing headlong towards faster and faster. We sapiens are busy causing flora and fauna extinction every day. We are a failed species. THAT is what concerned Bernstein most: physical survival of the human species. We haven't even come to terms with our own bloody sexuality! Breaking a melody down to individual notes is one thing, but from a performer's perspective, we neglect that one single note. Who practices long tones? Who even wants to practice long tones? Certainly Stanley Drucker (New York phil) never did, and that's why his single notes sounded like a nanny goat bleating. He was only interested in note-spinning virtuosity show-off nonsense. A clarinet machine! But he's not the only one. He's in a multitude of company. Let me hear just one note and I'll tell you if the musician is any good and worth listening to. Of course keyboard players don't have to worry about any of that. That's why pIano-playing is much easier to master! Conducting is even easier! Lenny wasted his life on easy stuff and chain-smoking and brandy suicide instead of doing the hard things, composing among them. Serial monogamous promiscuity is unimaginative and boring because deep intimate communication and communing is achieved in other ways. Poor Lenny! Poor Felicia! He fell way short of his potential. She, too. One chord progression wonder. What happened to life-long learning? He/she stopped early on. But yes, we are all connected.
@ellenorchid01
@ellenorchid01 4 місяці тому
Where is this quote from? Who said this please?
@mozartsbumbumsrus7750
@mozartsbumbumsrus7750 4 місяці тому
​@@ellenorchid01הָעָם הַנִבְחַר ha-ʿam ha-nivḥar , IPA: haʕam hanivħar
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
This thread is a continuation of an exchange we had on the oldest thread on this page. Mozartsbumbumsrus had used the phrase "We are born alone and we die alone" and I had a little rudely but with with kind intent said it was nonsense ) Here I tried to rephrase my argument into musical terms since the man is a clarinetist. I was probably inspired by the clip I used of Bernstein in the video. So no quotes from my side. I can't speak for mozartsbumbums @@ellenorchid01
@JoshAragon
@JoshAragon 4 місяці тому
Excellent video- I have seen the film twice and this makes me one to look at it again- to me one of the weakness of the movie is that we needed more of the character played by Matt Bomer- Lenny's gay lover who should have had more scenes-
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
Yes Matt Bomer was great and he shared some of Coopers best scenes... but what do you do, extend the movie or cut something else? Because it would be hard to decide what to cut. Thanks for your comment and I'm glad you enjoyed the video )
@JoshAragon
@JoshAragon 4 місяці тому
The weakness with the script is that this is a story about a bisexual man but we never see him with any male lovers except for Bomer. He has a very sexless relationship with them I imagine because the Berstein children were involved in the production. I would cut two scenes - the interview with the book writer and Felicia's tv show. I would have had the Bomer character as a guest in the first party scene. I would have like to have seen a scene with him Lenny or him and Felicia later in the movie. In real life the Bomer character and Bernstein remained friends. I have seen Maestro twice already but your comments on the music bring in another perspective- well done
@leoinsf
@leoinsf 3 місяці тому
Why isn't this movie available to buy on Amazon???
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 3 місяці тому
It was a Netflix Original film, funded and produced by Netflix. You could subscribe for 1 month then cancel to watch it. It's a shame that people can't buy a DVD or legally download it from other sources. It's just not the Netflix business model.
@leoinsf
@leoinsf 3 місяці тому
@@TheCinemaDetective Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my reply. You are the best!!!
@stefans8315
@stefans8315 4 місяці тому
You bring much to light. This points out one of the major problems I had with the whole movie. I don't like it when biopics dumb down and spoon-feeds an audience, but I feel like Cooper went too far in the opposite direction. In an interview, he admitted that before being offered the script, he barely knew anything about Bernstein. I honestly feel he felt nervous portraying someone he wasn't even a fan of so much that after all the research, he made a film that anyone but a Bernstein nerd would feel lost watching the film. In dozens of biopics, even ones that focus on the love relationships, you get some basic knowledge of the person's achievements, etc., or at least learn the reason someone even bothered to make a film about some random person. It's like Cooper made an Agatha Christie novel into a film, but left out all the clues. Him playing a section of "A Quiet Place"?? I heard that opera ONCE & never again, because like so many other fans found out, it was lousy. Most people don't even know it exists. So how many people would feel the deeper impact of the story w/o knowing it? The same thing with other music soundtracked in. All the significance of "Mass" on his life, and the monumental K. Center premiere makes more sense to know, so that when his wife is really pissed off at him for playing with one of his almost unnamed boy-toys, it's a much louder slap in her face. But only a Bernstein nerd would know that. If we are only supposed to focus on this guy's personal life, who leave so much out of the film? I felt like the relations with the men were so fleeting. I didn't get to know any of them, and barely heard their first names. Aaron Copeland is in the room in one scene, I can't remember if visible or not, just refered to by his first name. #1. Who would know it was A.C. unless they already know all about Bern.? & #2. If Cooper wanted to focus on the sexuality, COPELAND was not only GAY and his mentor, he had some sage advice for Bern. about being so. I guess that's for the Bern. nerds only to know. It would have made the film so much richer. And Felicia had more going on in her life - example, the one-line reference that the radio play (?) she was singing in she actually produced - So I felt largely like an outsider to all of them. You read the letter that one line was from. Sh*T, there's the story! No viewer has any idea that one line has so much more surrounding it. Cooper assumed we are already Bernstein nerds & have already read his biographies. "But there isn't enough time to explain more" people shout. Has anyone seen "Milk" or "The Aviator" or "Malcolm X" or "Amadeus"?? All of those somehow give you enough to get to know the characters enough AND their creative process & career. Must have been magic. Unless people born after 1980 have seen Spielberg's "West Side Story", would they have recognized one scene were he's arguing with Felicia & an instrumental part from it, about Jet/Shark tension is playing? It adds so much more to the film if you happen to know - it, I argue - would show his art and his life connections better. Since some of the songs were not his own, it played as maybe the film had a composer, & added something new? All such a dissapointment. And about the nose. It looked great, and he sounded a lot like the younger, then older Bernstein, but as the older one, sounded like Bernstein with cotton stuck in his nose. It was distracting.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
Thanks so much for your comment. I think it will resonate with a lot of people.
@vincentprice4076
@vincentprice4076 4 місяці тому
It was a straight version of a gay life. We got the Love Story embrace of the dying wife but not one embrace of friends dying of AIDS. The problem with this film, was the hetrosexism. And that it was boring
@stefans8315
@stefans8315 4 місяці тому
@@vincentprice4076 That makes so much sense! Maybe the fault in this love tale that left out a lot of the love tale was the family's influence on the production. I wonder...
@sbrownie
@sbrownie 2 місяці тому
Live isn't THAT "complicated". He LOVED men.
@mattymcfabb
@mattymcfabb 2 місяці тому
I think i will give it a second watch because of this video
@Enr227
@Enr227 4 місяці тому
If I misunderstood it, it's because it wasn't in the script
@TomRipley7350
@TomRipley7350 4 місяці тому
A film should need a blink-or-you’ll-miss-it companion piece. This was desperate and tedious Oscar fodder of the highest order. If it wasn’t for the calibre of the people involved, this would be laughable: the garbled, overlapping, chain-smoking, blocked-nose dialogue; the ridiculous aging make-up where the daughter looks older than the mother; the he’s gay/she dies singular situation with zero narrative drive. It’s ripe for parody. A hell of a lot of highly suggestible people have been hoodwinked into lauding this vanity project.
@evanstansbury7483
@evanstansbury7483 4 місяці тому
There’s also a vanity book! Expensive, too.
@amandawhiteley6737
@amandawhiteley6737 11 днів тому
Bisexual, not totally gay enough to father his children.....at least he might have been careful with his sexual health. Not knowing about Aids or STD passed on to said couple or lovers? None I know of...but still a very talented couple n family unit. Still love him, even I had a big crush on this guy ha ha ❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊
@debbiemcnamara7059
@debbiemcnamara7059 4 місяці тому
I was 10 years old when he wrote West Side Story! I do not want a person in their 20’s to explain him to me! I know crap when I see it!
@rics1883
@rics1883 4 місяці тому
Pure Oscar bait
@rakitipakiti
@rakitipakiti 4 місяці тому
I thought him smelling like tuna fish and cigarretes meant he had sex earlier plus he was sweating. What do u think?
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
He was sweating and he came into the room and in such a good mood so I can see why you might think so. The cigarettes... well he always smelt like cigarettes due to the chain smoking. The tuna fish was something that Bradley Cooper added from his own experience of finding humorous moments even when someone is dying. Here's a quote of him explaining it: "when my father was dying and I was holding him, and my mother and I just had a tuna fish sandwich, that's why it's in the movie where she says, "You smell like tuna fish," I remember holding my father who was unconscious at the time. My mother saying, "Your breath smells like tuna fish." I just thought, "Mom, he doesn't know." There's humor everywhere. I love comedy. In fact, they're the same thing really."
@rakitipakiti
@rakitipakiti 4 місяці тому
Thank you so much for that fantastic explanation. It lingered in my head for a long time after watching the film. I’m an actor, so I watch films in a different way. I legitimately thought that they reached a point in the relationship were she knew he was still having sexand she allowed it because she was sick. But it’s a breath of fresh air to know that he was actually really devoted to her in her dying days and it truly makes me appreciate Leonard a lot more.
@nineteenfortyeight6762
@nineteenfortyeight6762 Місяць тому
Careerist takes beard. Woman sells herself out because greif. Hollywood glorifies it.
@debbiemcnamara7059
@debbiemcnamara7059 4 місяці тому
I hate the movie!!
@carolmclane1609
@carolmclane1609 4 місяці тому
Between the cigarettes and the mumbled dialogue i had to walk out. Very disappointed
@michaeldonovan4793
@michaeldonovan4793 4 місяці тому
Didn't misunderstand it, just didn't like it..Or the movie..Never rang true even their love story..Cooper should have stayed behind the camera and fleshed out a better script..A disappointment after a star is born which was great
@stefans8315
@stefans8315 4 місяці тому
100%
@alexanderh9878
@alexanderh9878 4 місяці тому
I appreciated it a lot more the 2nd time.
@mozartsbumbumsrus7750
@mozartsbumbumsrus7750 4 місяці тому
In a very real way I felt very close to this film and story because, as a serious high art musician, I grew up with Bernstein through watching his Young People's Con❤❤certs and later his Harvard Lecture series. My best friend from the age of 11 was a horn player. My family couldn't afford to have a television so I went to my friend's home where we watched Lenny's Young People's Concerts. He and I were going to become Principal Clarinet and Horn in the New York Philharmonic. The closest we got was when we met Bernstein on tour at an outdoor concert in Monterey, California. My friend eventually gave up horn for photography and 5 kids and a wife. I became Principal Clarinet in various orchestras in the USA and Europe and had a 35 year partnership with a truly great pianist and continued as a concerto soloist. Performing with the LSO and BBC broadcasts as a soloist, I remained faithfully loyal to my Muse while continuing my work as a visual artist and Old Master. I continue writing my book on the clarinet and the scientific relevance of music to human physiology and psychology, incorporating up-to-date neuroscience to prove my life-long conviction that serious high art music and music-making makes people better human beings. I write love sonnets weekly to the love of my life, who was my angel but rejected and discarded me wrongly because of her mental health and my naive innocent ignorance that remains my deepest regret until I die. 100% heterosexual, I understand Lenny's torment., especially his lack of dedication and focus on composition, which was his greatest regret and tragedy. Fame, money and celebrity and trivial pursuits destroyed Bernstein from lifting himself to the level of the truly greats such as his hero, Gustav Mahler. His and felicia's (fellatio?) relationship was of its time past and conservatively dishonest necessarily so in order for Lenny to be promoted by the powerful gay and Jewish "Kosher Nostra" society of the very lucrative music business that rules success or failure. Lenny was clever in that way by being sexually "fluid" in order to avail himself of the "casting couch" and garner full financial success and media fame and celebrity status. Had he not been bisexual/gay and Jewish, he would not have succeeded with fame and celebrity and money. It's as simple as that. I know because I lived and experienced everything in Tàr as a musician hob knobbing with the world music community all my life. Only I refused to prostitute myself and thereby prevented similar success to Lenny. I am lucky and blessed to have the strength of character to avoid the very seductive pitfalls and traps that Bernstein fell into. Fame/celebrity/money/power are meaningless to me. I served the Muse and all the virtues. Humanity - sapiens - our shortly-to-be-extinct species does not deserve my talents. We are born alone and we die alone. True deep intimate communication is not desired or wanted by humanity. Life is too short for our most complicated big brain. We must be kind. "All I wante was to do laundry and taxes with you" - EEAAO. I ended up deeply loving unconditionally a woman who was unwanted and unloved by her parents and therefore never knew love. My love for her is forever even after my death. She may or may not ever know or appreciate or reciprocate that true love but there it is.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
I feel like there is another script for a whole movie in your comment! To quote ABBA... thank you for the music, even if I don't deserve it )) A life dedicated to music is surely a great thing. And I don't believe in that "we are born alone and die alone" nonsense )) For a start you were literally physically connected to your mother's body at the moment of birth, you were not alone. And throughout our lives we impact each other in a myriad of ways that we never see and are impossible to imagine. Your enduring feelings of love and longing connects you with millions of other people alive and dead that have felt exactly the same way you have. Keep writing your book ) It sounds interesting )
@highbaritone
@highbaritone 4 місяці тому
It was wonderful reading your post. I was mentored by a wonderful conductor who worshipped Bernstein. I played The Celebrant in the first professional production of The Mass in Australia conducted by Sir Colin Davis. I also, to my knowledge performed the only live performance of his Arias And Barcaroles in Australia. I thank you for your writing. I hope I get to read your book. I wish you all the best. Is it better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all? I wish I had an answer. By the way, I loved this movie.
@thetraveldrunk
@thetraveldrunk 4 місяці тому
I understood it. It’s still a mediocre film directed by someone who keeps getting these jobs because of his name and influence.
@cathynewyork7918
@cathynewyork7918 4 місяці тому
This is arrogant for you to "accuse" me and others of misunderstanding the movie Maestro. Do you really think you're so much smarter than the rest of us? I saw the movie last week in a movie theater here in NYC just four blocks from Carnegie Hall, and I loved the movie - and I understood it.
@karenvanhook6748
@karenvanhook6748 4 місяці тому
I'm sure some people understood it; I didn't take the title of this video that way. It's great that you got it right off the bat. For some of us, though, it was very hard to follow. My friend and I spread it over two nights; after the first half left us totally confused, I googled up a lot of the same biographical information that's in this video. When I explained my findings to my friend, to prepare for watching the final hour, she was surprised and grateful to finally understand what the heck was going on in this marriage. This video explains facts that we didn't know until I googled, and symbolism that went over our heads entirely, even after I googled. And we're not stupid people. We're both very educated and usually good at picking up on things. But we were utterly confused, and even after I came up with enough facts to make the movie make sense, we still didn't get *any* of the symbolism explained here. I think enough people are reporting similar experiences that it's reasonable that this video maker would say "you *probably* misunderstood it" (emphasis added).
@cathynewyork7918
@cathynewyork7918 4 місяці тому
@@karenvanhook6748 I have been a fan of Leonard Bernstein for at least twenty years and have known his story, and I have lived in Los Angeles and now New York City where there are a lot of gay people, even though I am NOT, so I guess it just came naturally to me to understand the movie.
@cathynewyork7918
@cathynewyork7918 4 місяці тому
@@karenvanhook6748 Betty Comden and Adolph Green who were party guests in the Maestro movie wrote songs for many of the Golden Age of Hollywood musicals, including the Gene Kelly classic movie "Singin' in the Rain." Aaron Copland, the great movie composer, was in the movie. The woman walking on the sidewalk next to Central Park with the man and baby near the end of the movie was the musical actress Judy Holliday, most famous for "Bells Are Ringing."
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 4 місяці тому
@@cathynewyork7918 If we're talking about the same woman, the woman walking on the sidewalk next to Central Park near the start of the movie was Ellen Adler, David Oppenheim's second wife. The "why" of "why you probably misunderstood it" was because Cooper omitted or only covered briefly important aspects of their relationship. That's what I argued in the video. The "Maestro Explained" part of the title is there because many people search this term in Google and on UKposts. The video is designed to meet a demand. I'm sure you and many others understood the film much better than I did, and any insights I might have presented in this video were acquired through research more than intelect. I'm acutely aware of my level of misunderstanding because I spent days readings interviews, letters, comments, watching Bernstein interviews etc to try to get a handle on it. I'll concede the title was a little click-baity. When you put a lot of effort into making a video you want people to watch it. UKposts is a very competitive environment and you need to try to lure viewers in with the thumbnail and title. My hope is that for the most part viewers are repaid with a video that is informative and justifies their time, but you can't please everyone.
@karenvanhook6748
@karenvanhook6748 4 місяці тому
@@cathynewyork7918 Thanks! Yes, the whole movie makes more sense when you know who the people are and what is going on. I can't remember the last time I watched a movie that required a long google-and-read intermission halfway through just to be able to understand the *main* plot line (what was going on in the marriage).
@richardkastlemusic
@richardkastlemusic 3 місяці тому
Maestro is based on a false narrative about Bernstein. I posted a new video on my UKposts channel titled THE BERNSTEIN EFFECT. I studied with one of his friends, Ivan Davis, who also performed with him. He's not who you think he is. Arts education was based on his teachings which are designed to make the conductors, pianists and composers stupid. This ruined classical music as an art form and a business. Most of classical recordings are vanity records, because of him. Many of the orchestras have a financial foundation based on criminal activity. They commit wire fraud by soliciting donations with false information. There's a massive amount of jealousy based mental illness, because of Bernstein's assault on arts education. I provide many examples of irrefutable evidence on this subject.
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 3 місяці тому
Thanks for your comment. I hope you will take my comments in the spirit that they are intended which is to offer tips to a new UKposts channel. I would suggest changing the title of your video to something like "Leonard Bernstein: Genius or Imposter?" the mismatch between your title and your content will create dissatisfied viewers which will kill your reach on UKposts, because you're not talking about the movie really. You obviously take a strong position, I'm not in a position to judge him as a conductor or composer not being student of classical music. I am however open to the idea that there is a kind of halo effect that fame, success, and association with certain projects can have that can lead to a inappropriate elevation of individuals. I think you make some interesting points but a couple of things are going to hurt you in terms of viewers. 1. The mic and background noise and 2. You come across as a little... I can't put this delicately... unhinged... and bitter... and I think your delivery is going to spoil your message. It all starts to sound a bit... "the world is flat" and "the moon landings never happened" and avoiding language that suggests there is a conspiracy going on would help your central idea that Bernstein is overrated and not all he's cracked up to be. Bernstein clearly wrote music that a lot of people liked and you don't acknowledge that or give him any praise at all. That discredits your position because you don't appear to be offering any balance. My uninformed 2 cents... he was neither genius or imposter. He acknowledged himself he didn't hit the heights as a composer he desired, but he did write some beloved music and if he was over celebrated perhaps that's not his fault.
@richardkastlemusic
@richardkastlemusic 3 місяці тому
The problem here is that most people are brainwashed about Bernstein and his impact on arts education and the way symphonies and concertos are performed. I'm like Pythagoras in 500 BC telling everybody that the world is round. You're like the masses believing that it is indeed flat. I'm sure Pythagoras was accused of being unhinged and part of a round world conspiracy. UKposts is just the new town square. What I'm saying is correct. This subject is my expertise. What everybody is conditioned to believe about classical music in incorrect. The arts can't move forward until the public is aware of the devastating impact Bernstein's teachings had on the arts. I document the collateral damage in my video. By making this movie, Steven Spielberg, Bradley Cooper and Netflix, are legitimizing Bernstein's teachings. They're causing further destruction to this art form and a business. @@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective
@TheCinemaDetective 3 місяці тому
@@richardkastlemusic well... youtube is a great open platform for education so if you don't like how things are being done now then educate. I really don't have any skin in the game re Berstein. I'd never heard of him before watching Maestro. So I'm not reacting to your video as someone brainwashed by Bernstein. I just thought I'd let you know my experience of how you are coming across in case it might be useful for your future videos. Best of luck going forward )
@richardkastlemusic
@richardkastlemusic 3 місяці тому
Sorry about not being clear about the brainwashing. The public is brainwashed by the sacred cow coverage in the press, not by Bernstein himself. Thanks for the advice about presentations on UKposts. Cheers. @@TheCinemaDetective
@seethevolcane-qj8ys
@seethevolcane-qj8ys 3 місяці тому
I cannot understand your English.
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