Norm 2/2: Norm speaks about Men of Promise - such as Jacques de Gauthier de Gatineau and Oscar Pistorius Conan Season 4 Episode 89: May 21, 2014: Norm Macdonald, Mackenzie Davis, Veruca Salt
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@doctrinmontreal3 місяці тому
Oscar Pistorius may have been an alleged murderer, but I’ll tell you one thing he was not: a legged murderer.
@fr.mcgreer83492 місяці тому
Clever 👍
@martinadrianarcenas867Місяць тому
🤌
@Grateful2ExistМісяць тому
Brilliant, Norm would've loved this one.
@SirRandyofcxcheshireМісяць тому
he out now running around a free man on his stilts.
@longtalljayМісяць тому
Almost the best joke I have ever heard or read!
@MrEzekiel1982Рік тому
I’ve seen Norm get to a lot of dead ends and recover but “you know a man grows…” may be the most brilliant
@ConanVictor11 місяців тому
Ay nigra
@sfonylx10 місяців тому
I honestly think Norm said it on purpose. Always two steps ahead.
@TA-tg1cf10 місяців тому
@@sfonylx at 3:03 he set it up. Brilliant
@TA-tg1cf10 місяців тому
@@sfonylx he did it ALL on porpoise
@sfonylx9 місяців тому
@@TA-tg1cf 😄
@constantreader7483Рік тому
I only regret that we never got to see Norm as an actual old man.
@pooriasheikhi50425 місяців тому
Damn... that was deap
@carlodave94 місяці тому
He skipped from lanky nasal-talking 20-something, to baritone backwoods geezer before he was 40. We was robbed of Old Man Norm.
@HalConick4 місяці тому
I’d say we did. He knew he was dying. Norm embraced his full transition into Grandpa Norm in those last years. He seemed so at peace and care-free.
@sollognelle29293 місяці тому
I don't knew i was goin to cry again.
@quainejohnson48083 місяці тому
To be fair he's always acted like an old man
@Havok259Рік тому
"You're not a biped" kills me.
@leobender29102 місяці тому
"Scram"
@donbarone47992 місяці тому
Scram! Take all the time u need...
@user-yp1oz3zf5c2 місяці тому
I GUESS IT ALSO DID THE WIFE A NUMBER
@jaredm.16202 місяці тому
Just like oscar
@ChrisStoneinatorМісяць тому
All it’s missing is an “on accounta”
@rg34124 місяці тому
“Allegedly…. Also, really.” Brutal, and re-usable!
@kozhikkaalan2 місяці тому
Hahahahaha. "And re-usable" is great and reusable too
@witchking67876 днів тому
That's what I thought, "I'm gonna have to stick that one in my back pocket".
@morehumanthanyouРік тому
My God, his transition from Oscar to Jacques is the most beautifully non-connected thing i've ever seen.
@knowsmebyname7 місяців тому
It serves a youthful porpoise.
@joshuapeterson23664 місяці тому
@@knowsmebyname😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@maximilianschulz64554 місяці тому
Is that even a real person?
@tomgrus6043 місяці тому
I've only ever seen the second half, but damn, that transition was masterful!
@BowlCrossy3 місяці тому
@@knowsmebyname Youthful porpoise.
@mitch_sorenstein7 місяців тому
The way Norm falls out of his chair and shakes Andy's hand, you know he took that as a massive compliment.
@fenwayify29 днів тому
Andy has never been a dunce, nor an empty vessel. He's always caught the astute folly of Norm and Conan. He was well-suited as a sidekick, much more substantive than Ed McMahon. I've always felt a little sad for Andy, that he may have regretted that he hasn't done enough with his life...I could see him in a dramatic role and be surprisingly convincing...
@Leonisel17 днів тому
@@fenwayifyhis show was really funny too, shame it didn’t last
@RespectProcess5 днів тому
@@fenwayifyshut UP
@BarberfrogРік тому
"Well you know, a man grows." is the best bit of this entire segment. Funniest man who ever lived.
@mayedalshamsiРік тому
I don't get it. What does that have to do with the last name changing?
@HeraldJohnsonРік тому
Growth is one of the manners in which things change.
@clayton229Рік тому
@@mayedalshamsi The joke is basically that it's an absurd comment. Norm accidentally changed the last name of the guy in the joke. Instead of acknowledging that or explaining it, he said "a man grows" which is kind of a literary, fortune-cookie-esque way of saying that people change over time. But generally that sort of thing refers to someone growing emotionally or growing in wisdom. Not someone changing their last name. It's the sort of joke that isn't particularly funny when you explain it, but it's fantastic as an off the cuff response to Conan pointing out that he made a mistake.
@mayedalshamsiРік тому
@@clayton229 - Thank you for that explanation! I'm sure it's less funny now that I've had to have it explained to me, but I'd take that over not understanding the joke at all, any day. 😜
@harbinger_9152Рік тому
I’ve used this line and it kills
@thomaskorycinski576310 місяців тому
“Something Wile E Coyote would order” is my favorite line
@stabyourcat3 місяці тому
For some reason it flies under the radar. Love that line.
@evansevansevans117 днів тому
It’s the word order that is so funny. Like he went on Amazon.
@highestsettings10 місяців тому
I'll be real. I'm with Norm on that. His cardiovascular system didn't need to pump oxygen as hard, he didn't need to train his ankles or calves, and he genuinely had actual fucking springs for legs. He DID have an unfair advantage. The murdering I can live with, but cheating is unforgivable.
@lepari99869 місяців тому
Worst thing about Oscar Pistorious is the hypocrisy.
@ryanfox24788 місяців тому
the more i learn about this oscar pistorious guy, the more i don't care for him
@knowsmebyname7 місяців тому
The spring thing is obvious isn't it?
@BouncyBrown4 місяці тому
also, weren't his blades longer than his legs? longer legs are definitely an advantage.
@T25de4 місяці тому
Some say the hypocrisy was the worst part
@jaredhaas41683 місяці тому
I am reasonably confident that Norm liked Andy's idea so much that he did, in fact, take someone on a 4 mile hike to show them a dog turd.
@linkage432Рік тому
The way Norm falls out of his chair to Andy’s retort is the best
@pats53754 місяці тому
Yes! I've never seen Norm laugh that hard! He loved that analogy from Andy and even shook his hand soon after. That's big praise coming from Norm! 😅
@landon42783 місяці тому
@@pats5375 Yes. Norm is usually only left to laugh at his own jokes, and give the audience a side eye as an indication that they should laugh too. I thoroughly enjoyed Norm getting a belly laugh for once.
@Optim403 місяці тому
Hes just trying to recover from the beat down hes getting from conan and andy if youre astute like that. Thinking about it any other way is off.
@GameTime-yj6qv2 місяці тому
I absolutely loved that part and the fact Norm felt he had to shake Andy's hand. Talk about giving approval. Awesome.
@billmartinson4205Місяць тому
@@Optim40 Norm didn't "try to recover from a beat down." Throughout his career he actively pursued subverting expectations, told bad jokes on purpose, and wasn't afraid to walk an entire room. Going into this Conan appearance, Norm absolutely knew his shaggy dog story had a terrible punchline -- puns are the worst -- and when Andy fearlessly jumped on it with a hilarious rejoinder, Norm was genuinely delighted. The handshake was respect, not recovery.
@grahamdonaldson90695 місяців тому
He takes us on these long journeys on Porpoise.
@TimonofIlford3 місяці тому
And we have a whale of a time. Sorry, just seven words. Norm would have spun it out to several minutes of comedic majesty.
@tripmcquagg496922 дні тому
@@TimonofIlford10/10 for effort anyway haha. Man he was the best.
@torchmark662 дні тому
@@TimonofIlford Don't sell yourself short, my friend! That was eight words.
@cmase19917 місяців тому
"Take your time, as long as you want. But get the hell outta here!" - As long as you want is the funniest damn thing Norm was able to slip in there
@graemecreegan6749Рік тому
Conan: “No one is going with you on this !” Norm (internal): “precisely”
@thetruthexperimentРік тому
I dunno. Conan even joking around that it’s weird to not like that guy enrages me. He wore springs and bullied people to let him compete with people who were not allowed to wear springs. Yes, that is the kind of person who is so full of themselves that they’ll shoot their girlfriend. I called it years before. Never liked that guy. If he allowed the other participants to wear springs then maybe. No. Seriously. The Paralympic runners who ran with the modern prosthetics of the time were known to be much faster than people with legs. Which means if Jocko could do it, then everyone with no legs should have been allowed. But only he was allowed and he could obviously run way faster because he had springs for legs. Anyone who liked that guy was a complete moron.
@graemecreegan6749Рік тому
@@thetruthexperiment yeah man, Pistorius is so lame 😁
@chadparsons50Рік тому
I live in Gatineau, Quebec, I'm sure there's a Jacques around here somewhere.
@etiendreРік тому
Hello fellow québécois
@MehYam21123 місяці тому
Just don’t pin your hopes on him
@chadparsons503 місяці тому
@@MehYam2112 nice.
@ButtPins2 місяці тому
hey I'm from Gatineau too!
@Stanzi182 місяці тому
I hope he's out there serving a youthful Porpoise.
@simon4187Рік тому
“4 mile hike to show you a dog turd” It’s the journey, not the destination
@nomnom1124 місяці тому
Andy clearly has never been on a hike
@chadparsons503 місяці тому
Underrated comment.
@apollobro91_2Місяць тому
I'm pretty sure Oscar hasn't been on a 4 mile hike either, not with those rob9t legs. He'd probably fall down face-first into the dog turd, which is what he deserves for all those races he cheated in.
@spontaneousphil3175Рік тому
“I had no problem with the murder.” 😂😂😂😂
@alvareo923 місяці тому
Well, it was tragic, at the time
@aldersmoke1Місяць тому
The fact that Norm so thoroughly won over both Conan and Letterman tells you all you need to know about just how brilliant he was.
@dp1582Місяць тому
The man was a true comedic genius he reached deep into peoples minds and not everyone got it but to those that did he was the best truly.
@random-nz7dy4 місяці тому
3:30 "well, you know, a man grows" 😂😂😂😂 one of my all time favorite Norm lines. No one but Norm could deliver it like that.
@CrStrifey4 місяці тому
'I started to travel to here and there...and to here again'.
@lonewolfe25023 місяці тому
" I don't have a problem with the MURDER." What a delivery. 😂
@johnnymossville4 місяці тому
Seen this a half dozen times and it gets me every time. We pinned our hopes on you Jaques De Gatinau!
@kyon8133 місяці тому
Or de Gauthier.
@torchmark662 дні тому
@@kyon813 Hey. A man grows.
@DBEENE123Рік тому
Andy’s comment after the youthful porpose joke is the sugar on top.
@khester7397Рік тому
The most "youthful porpoise" the German swede ever served.
@prashantnegi0072 роки тому
wow full clip. Only segments of this were on UKposts before. Thanx. Not only are you a scholar and a gentleman, but you must have a lot of doghouses.
@CaptainCologne5 місяців тому
After the punchline Norm’s “Now I believe…” and the explosion of facial expressions that go with it was the pay off.
@jakelover17313 місяці тому
I love post-punchline riffs like that. I think what I like most about it is it's very risky if the punchline doesn't get a laugh. Because then the riff is just a half-sentence that you have to keep going.
@CaptainCologne3 місяці тому
@@jakelover1731Agreed. It gets funnier the more I watch it, the way he plays innocent and darts his head back and forth at Conan and Andy.
@RaulCastilloМісяць тому
The faces he makes when Conan calls him out on changing the name.
@MrCWLМісяць тому
That little shrink when he realises he mixed up the last name, that is what i love about Norm so much. He was such an honest kid just trying to have fun, it was so endearing. Was really painful to learn he passed away but like a dear grandfather i will always come back to watch these videos and remember Norm and his kindness and fun with people. Missed always
@Eralen00Рік тому
conan just can't contain himself whenever norm is on the show lol
@mjr_schneider2 місяці тому
No one else tells jokes quite like Norm did. He’s the only person I’ve seen intersperse punchlines throughout his ramblings that way. Genuinely the most unique voice in comedy.
@edwardh10032 роки тому
Herald Johnson, you're a scholar and a gentleman for uploading this. 👍
@GarthKnight18843 місяці тому
Whether Herald knows it or not. He's found a youthful porpoise.
@kvps27Рік тому
He really loved the dog turd joke!
@krugbit9642Рік тому
It was more of a comment, really.
@Jagar_Tharn3 місяці тому
@@dejuren1367 That's not hate for Andy, it's referencing a line from Norm MacDonald Live.
@rosscockcroft56624 місяці тому
The worst thing about Oscar Pistorius was the hypocrisy…
@riverjao3 місяці тому
Until Conan reminded us, “There’s only one like him…”. So true ❤️😢❤️
@jebwatson3 місяці тому
Not many people could go on Conan and just tell a 40 minute story for a pun. Mr McDonald was a legend.
@galenburghardt3272Місяць тому
And he did it more than once - IMO his moth joke is the best joke I've ever heard. It's poetry, "I no longer love my son, I no longer love him because when I see his face all I see is the same cowardice I see whenever I look into a mirror" - just outstanding
@piercewilson40293 місяці тому
The 4 mile hike to show you a dog turd line is pretty great
@heliopyreРік тому
those blades were objectively superior for running than actual legs.
@crancelbrowser54782 місяці тому
I absolutely love how at 6:30 Andy so succinctly sums up Norm's comedy that Norm falls out of his chair and has to shake Andy's hand. Idk how, but Norm always managed to come off as a class act while also playing a total fool. His acknowledgement of Amdy's searing read on him is part of what makes him so entertaining and lovable.
@stephengrigg5988Місяць тому
"I feel that one of the basic requirements of being a sprinter, is having legs" ....... it's hard to articulate why he's the greatest comedian of all time
@Chunkieta3 місяці тому
The amount of gold from Norm during this single appearance (his entry bit and gypsy Jack Macdonald, the 1-min-audition, Pistorius, Jacques De Gautier/Gatineau, his messing with Mackenzie Davis) is staggering
@daniel.s.stefanov21 день тому
"I'm serving a youthful porpoise" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@LucasTOrzРік тому
He definitely loves Andy's joke more
@sandworm952828 днів тому
I love how much he enjoyed that 😂
@jasonnoble3971Рік тому
The smartest comedian ever.
@kennysmith19254 місяці тому
This hits different as a Canadian. The funny thing is Norm knows our SeaWorld is called Marineland but is purposely calling it SeaWorld for an American audience.
@keithws27793 місяці тому
Seriously, that just gave me the idea of taking my children out on a long walk - I'm going to tell them I've got something to show them. After an hour, I'm just going to point to the most mundane thing I can spot and tell them "there it is!"
@kevinabel23703 місяці тому
I run a city hiking group in Forest Park Queens. I ran an internet ad saying "Take a hike to Freedom". After 90 minutes we arrived at Freedom Road and I showed 30 hikers the street sign.
@clark24912 місяці тому
Did you do it?
@videosextra94345 місяців тому
Thank you many many thanks OP for this clip. I had never seen this clip in its entirety but just some of the bits and pieces of this one floating around including present in TeamCoco channel. Thanks for sharing and loved enjoying every moment with this piece of coal , Norm !!🎉❤👌👍😅😊
@ezanadaniel91493 місяці тому
blows me away what kind of a talent he is
@angrysquirrel1874 місяці тому
Norm could make you want to take that 4 mile walk to see the dog turd.
@anonfinally169222 дні тому
When Norm was at the Niagra Falls part and Conan said he saw Jacques and Norm said no it's just some attendant I thought it was really brilliant and hilarious. Norm could've just said "I went to Seaworld and saw Jacques" but Conan kind of interrupted him and Norm had to subvert Conan's expectation a bit in a very hilarious way
@TA-tg1cf10 місяців тому
2:35 and 2:52 . That mischievous glint in his eye, the laughter prior, knowing how unnecessarily long and underwhelming that joke is 😭 and then taking us on the ride anyway 😁👌🏼❤ LOVE
@peterhoffmann502Місяць тому
Norms long form dad jokes are the fucking greatest
@G4rm0nb0zi42 місяці тому
I love that at the end of it all, it was good ol' Andy Richter The Swedish-German, who got Norm to fall out of his chair laughing.
@CT25074 місяці тому
I fully agree and said this from when i first heard about Pistorius. Those blades gave him an unfair advantage as a runner. But the world insists on being stupid about this.
@johnnymossville4 місяці тому
100%
@objectiveobserver27923 місяці тому
If he’d only changed his gender…
@pooriasheikhi50425 місяців тому
This is amongst my top 10 all time favorite UKposts videos
@UarehereМісяць тому
5:17 Conan's expression here is the best!! 😄
@LlyleHunterРік тому
I thought that Pistorius should have been in the Special Olympics with other comparable competitors
@Mark01962Рік тому
I'm sorry but I only discovered Norm thanks to The Orville and only started watching his comedy after his death and I'm loving his humour. He's passed but still making us laugh
@iskandar.bakshiРік тому
the more you will learn about norm the more you will not care for him
@maxonmendel5757Рік тому
he's the greatest
@maxonmendel5757Рік тому
"the funniest man formerly alive" is the best compilation
@chadparsons50Рік тому
Although he did Letterman's last show, a very competitive last show was the last night Conan had on NBC. Norm showed up with a gift basket, the bit was genius. Little harder to find though.
@ijij8191Рік тому
@@iskandar.bakshi why not? Dudes a legend
@neofunq9024Рік тому
You know, the more I hear about this Pistorius fella, the less I care for him…
@eldermillennial8330Рік тому
He had a GREAT girlfriend from his hometown, she was with him for years in all his early inspirational videos, only to foolishly ditch her for a gold digger that he came to hate enough to kill.
@RhysMoggМісяць тому
I think the worst thing about the Pistorias story was the hypocrisy
@PainflyErect3 місяці тому
He could really get on a roll with other funny people. Feed each other the jokes, fantastic to watch.
@MA-iridium3 місяці тому
Best Norm....and I have just watched the first two minutes so far.
@fpvflyer47584 місяці тому
Norm we miss you so much!! With love ❤ RIP
@mfinn27Рік тому
LMAO. “You’ve done so many benefits for me and the gypsies.”
@ilexevergreen54052 місяці тому
Just odd pairing?
@pintkobeРік тому
This never gets old 😂
@polreamonn9 місяців тому
Just like Reeva Steenkamp.
@badfdsify24 дні тому
norm absolutely LOVED that needle from Andy after his story lmfao. I love to see him genuinely laugh at a joke, it's rare someone gets one over on him
@AnarchyEnsuesМісяць тому
Andy's never fallen for the 4mile hike trick.
@brianmathews29263 місяці тому
I don’t know which was ballsier: the Oscar Pistorius joke, or delivering a deeply Québecois based joke to an American audience. I’ve always held this particular Norm appearance very dear because my mother was in fact born in Témiscaming, Quebec; a town remote enough that it’s citizens receive isolation pay from the provincial government. It just made me feel that much more connected to Norm, a comedian whose specialty was making you feel like you were in on the inside joke. Couldn’t get much more inside than that.
@Elriuhilu3 місяці тому
That's a real place? I thought Norm just made it up for the joke.
@brianmathews29263 місяці тому
@@ElriuhiluYep, real place, pulp and paper mill town along the Ontario-Quebec border on the Ottawa River. Around 2,500 people, quite isolated geographically. Their Wikipedia page actually reference this segment. Also when he calls the man Jacques-de-Gatineau, Gatineau is a big city in Quebec, part of the National Capital region directly across the river from Ottawa. And when he mentions the "Three Wise Men of Quebec," he is referencing three actual politicians from Quebec, who, during the 1960s, were dubbed as such by English media in Canada, seen as men who would change the course Canadian poiltics. Correspondingly, one of those men, Pierre Trudeau (Justin Trudeau's father) became one of the longest tenured Canadian Prime Ministers ever, championing multiculturalism and bilingualism, and having a major impact on the country's history, leaving a significant but somewhat divisive legacy.
@chinaasia45845 місяців тому
This is like the 25th time I have watched this and I have never laughed so hard
@bobnethan54744 місяці тому
When I'm feeling down I watch Norm he always makes me laugh
@skyluke94763 місяці тому
There’s many comedians that could make me us laugh at suicide and murder jokes. But only one that could make us smile
@mathias4891Місяць тому
One of the most knowledgeable. Rip my dear friend
@christiananderson67613 місяці тому
Makin Norm fall out of his chair laughing would high on my list of life achievements
@Dylan_Valentine2 роки тому
I have to write that I appreciate your channel. Not reuploading other people's work or trying to profit, like that guy selling access to NML.
@HeraldJohnson2 роки тому
Aww God bless! Do people not know about the internet archive? No need to pay a scoundrel: archive.org/details/Norm_Macdonald_Live
@kaikaisen2155Рік тому
@@HeraldJohnson To my knowledge he has 3 specials, do you have them?
@kaikaisen2155Рік тому
Just realized two are there, just Hitler's Dog, Gossip & Trickery that´s not
@HeraldJohnsonРік тому
His specials are HBO One-Night-Stand (it is on youtube: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/fYp4dpiupYOd0oU.html ), Me Doing Stand-up (Comedy Central, blocked on YT), and Hitler's dog (Netflix), plus Nothing Special (Netflix) which is more like a Cameo than stand up.
@spontaneousphil3175Рік тому
Andy laughing that hard after Norm saying he has no problem with him murdering someone 😂😂😂😂😂
@Talkitrhrough3 місяці тому
After he says “Ottawa” and Conan gives an exhausted look
@THEJOHNiVERSEРік тому
Norm Nailed it.
@scottsycamore82092 місяці тому
Norm reminds me of Andy Kaufman. He wasn't the performer. He was the audience, and we were the performers to his own personal show.
@Dan1483310 днів тому
Andy explained almost exactly what Norm’s real joke was with these long deliberately hack but still entertaining stories on the talk shows. The insider piece, which Conan notes in an interview, was that it was such a big opportunity to be on this show or Letterman and Norm was entertainingly self destructive by throwing it away on drawn-out street jokes when he was a great comic with a unique perspective.
@motley3313 місяці тому
Its currently 2024. Norm's ridiculous humor is as funny as ever.
@brawnydasco4 місяці тому
The Swedish-German really gave it to Norm there.
@matti100329 днів тому
That joke set up was truly Norm.
@iancole853 місяці тому
Norm on Conan was the peak of the American Empire
@BKPSМісяць тому
Oscar may have been armed when he murdered that poor woman, but he wasn’t legged.
@rounick284 місяці тому
Alleged murderer but not a legged murderer
@ChristopherJohn43897 місяців тому
Ill never stop watching Norm
@chrisnelson3668Місяць тому
I miss you norm.
@Batterystang4 місяці тому
GOAT!!! dood just had it, 100% of the time, so brilliant
@Spumoon3 місяці тому
Only post-humously have I begun to develop and appreciation for Norm Macdonald
@jonasking36703 місяці тому
I just realized this was the same show where he saved the interview view with the lady from Halt and Catch Fire.
@QueuePeaМісяць тому
I grew up in the Ottawa Valley, and hearing Norm's cadences as he tells a atory, always takes me back to the bullshitters I grew up around. None were as funny as Norm though. That nod he gives at the start of his story is a big part of that-it's a bit like a knowing wink.
@austin21x4 місяці тому
Andy must've felt great getting Norm to laugh like that
@rickylafleur14462 місяці тому
Norm is a master at putting people on the defence of something they don't believe. Pure art. 2:05 - 2:26
@Massacretalitor4 місяці тому
Such an unique style of comedy. And I love how he always had a way of trapping others into "biting" into what he said, where he always had a good retort. I still find it so hard to accept that he's gone.
@NulJern4 місяці тому
I love Norm!!!
@CowboysCastlesandIndians16 днів тому
"but I'm not gonna tell you my last name!"...different video....keep watching....lol....I love these guys
@KaninTuziРік тому
Miss him
@kojimbek2817Рік тому
"Youthful porpoise" joke is pretty poetic if you think about it. Some could say - unintentionally meta.
@amaro9085Рік тому
Intentionally meta
@iji6249Рік тому
I hate meta
@lucastaylor8321Рік тому
@@iji6249 lol
@natwolf6878 місяців тому
@@lucastaylor8321Meta ****** his mom.
@emanuel588016 днів тому
Norm admitting that it was way out off line is the cherry on top of the sequence lol
@kadesh1112 місяці тому
Andy's reactions are the best...
@68orangecrate263 місяці тому
Just realized that Norm was a modern Jonathan Winters🤔. Funnny
@jonathankieranwriter4 місяці тому
Norm! The guy is missed, genuinely.
@JacksonMeyerМісяць тому
This is a great LESSON: don’t give up on the joke. Andy tried to tell his 3 (maybe 4) times and each time got cut off and then nailed it!