So the thing is intel programs a voltage frequency curve into the CPU. When the motherboard removes the power and current limits. The CPU will request insane voltages because it's not hitting the power or current limits. So technically the motherboard isn't feeding more voltage than the CPU is requesting. However if the power limits were being properly enforced the CPU wouldn't be able to request insane voltages.

Yes, I agree that loading optimize defaults in the bios should be 100% safe and reliable. No overclock no auto adjusting.

My toxic trait is having zero issues with my custom built PC and wanting to look for a problem to fix anyway

Jay is an awesome technical content creator. With him, I improved my English listening skills, learned how to maintain my desktop computer, adjusted the tweeks of the components, and understood the synergy between them. I heard that he is passing through a delicate medical situation. I wish him my best vibes to get over whatever condition he is in. Human being like him are what society needs to understand the meaning of "greater good" for being empathetic to others and helping others. Thank you Mate!!

To clarify, no motherboard should set default limits _higher_ than the CPU manufacturer recommends. If you have an A320 board and want to drop a 3800x in it, the board should absolutely enforce its own lower limits even if that means gimping the CPU. Better that than cooking itself.

Oh my God... For the past 2 YEARS I have had issues with CPU temps under extremely minimal load. I have changed thermal paste, fans, AIOs and even bought a new CPU with no luck. After literally disabling one setting as suggested I am finally at 38c with 30% CPU usage. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU

If possible, an equivalent video on the Ryzen 7 CPUs would be very interesting and helpful in making them run more efficiently and cooler.

I wish you wrote down all your findings/settings per motherboard/cpu... You know so much about this problem. Thanks for your vid!

Until a company feels it in their wallet, they won't change it.

Just built a 14900k. Posted Aida64 stress tests to "it humor and memes" and had peeps concerned abour my 100c spikes. After your vid, went back to the BIOS and sure than shit had the defaults on. Enabled the Enforce limits and voila didn't go over 87 on a silent fan profile and 82 on max fan. Posted the results to Twitter and gave yiu a tag. Thanks a million for this vid.

I have a i9-14900k, I applied what you did this video, I went from 100C to 65C max load and 29-32C idle Thanks Jay!

This helped me too, auto overclock on by default in Asus bios. Temps down 25c and performance hit 5 fps. Huge help with this video. Keep up the great work Jay!

The only 2 things that will cause companies to stick to default limits are 1) Everyone refusing to buy boards that ignore default limits, or (more realistically) 2) Intel telling them to knock it off or they don't get to make LGA whatever boards anymore.

Undervolting is the new overclocking. How far can you push it down?

Thank you for this helpful video!!! I just built a new PC last week with the Asus Rog Strix Z790-e Wifi II and used the Asus Load Optimized Defaults. When I ran Cinebench my CPU was running at 99C!!! I then changed Asus MultiCore Enhancement = Disabled- Inforce All Limits and now the max CPU Temp is 72C. Thank for keeping my new build from frying itself!!!

This videos was extremely informative, i always have struggled with BIOS and what to change or update. But after this I applied some your tips and my performance has increased and my PC is not running as hot. Thanks Jay!

100%, this needs to change! I've been building for 20 years and I've never had so many out of the box issues with these BIOS settings. Please stop!

THIS!!! This was me! I spent MONIES on making my first custom water loop, and I thought i had done it completely wrong, because every cinabench run i was getting thermal throttled... I could not figure out what i did wrong so tweak i did... and Boom its under control... pulling 350W at max settings on my 13900K at 96C 6GHZ all cores... so yeah my water loop works... it was the no power limit causing the issue. Could not have fixed it without Jayz help. Thank you Buddy!

Thanks for this Jay! I've been looking into getting either a 13600k or a 14600k (depending on sales), but the conversation around each chip overheating has made me wary. Happy to hear there's a way to bring temperatures down a fair bit (of course undervolting would help as well)

JAY YOU ABSOLUTE GUN! I built a PC about 4 years ago and used auto for most settings, I would often hit 100C and actually overheat even though I used a liquid cooling AIO. I changed some settings in line with this video, and I'm now no longer going above 55C or experiencing fans maxing out RPM for load Great stuff!

I literally finished building my pc 2days ago, this makes SO MUCH SENSE!!! Honestly thank you!!

Thank you for releasing this video. I bought an R9 7950x like 8 months ago with a 360 aio... and it idles at like 60c... and doing anything that takes cpu skyrockets to 100c. Tech yes city mentioned undervolting because of how insane they are cranking the settings to compete. I dropped my voltage from like 1.2-1.4 (don't remember stock voltage) to 1.000 and it dropped to 35ish c idle the second I click the apply button. I have an msi motherboard. This just confirms I need to adjust my bios. I did absolutely nothing in my bios except maybe cranking my ram up, but I don't remember. Time to learn bios and fix it....

Hey thanks a lot for the information and honestly I did noticed a huge improvement with just disabling that feature 👍🏼

This is my exact same CPU and Mobo brand and this video has been super helpful. Thanks Jay!

Thank you for this, I just done this with mine and I see a big difference in temps.

I also find it insane that because of these settings I have had multiple customers come in with Asus motherboards and a 12900K or 14900K and the Cpu was unstable and they couldn't figure out why. It would crash with strange errors, one of them even claiming it was a memory error, when the only issue was that the CPU couldn't handle the power that was being forced into it and so it was crashing.

Perhaps some of the best advice coming from JayZ in a long time; was under the impression that the meaning of loading optimized defaults was the same as before, basically all the way to back in the day .. but it was great to make us aware of this, thanks.

Great vids, always a joy to watch. I'm sure plenty benefited fully from it I also did but to an extent because I own an MSI laptop and their Bios is not exactly a walk in the park it's so so confusing, I really wish you guys will get the chance to expand it into the laptop segment too in terms of technical stuff like this vid where someone like me and I'm sure they're plenty because I looked and couldn't find anything in that regard when it comes to tuning an MSI laptop with an unlocked CPU variant through the Bios.

I don't leave comments to often, but WOW. I have been having this issue with my i9-14900k and had no idea how to fix it. Repasted and replaced my cooler multiple times. This simple setting on my ASUS MB solved it right away. Max temps now are around 85C during a Cinebench Multi Core test. !!!THANK YOU!!!

This video just help me out so much. For almost a year I've been fighting the temps on my 15 13600k and I just thought it was cooler/fan. After doing some of the suggested changes mention in this video my temps are FINALLY normal. No more 99c cpu @ 20% usage. Thank you and Keep up the good work guys!

This is amazing. Just built a new system with a 14900k and was baffled by the issue you described exactly. I'm not experienced with overclocking and voltages etc so I was a bit stumped as to why I was maxing out my temps then as soon as I took off the load dropped to like 30 degrees. Thanks so much for the vid, the timing was superb!

Thank you as always for checking into details a lot. Helps us all with these dang tricky acting ASUS boards, been having issues with mine since I got it months ago and this setting was what helped my 13900k so so much stability wise even with the 360 AIO.

You should definitely show the AMD side. Although we're a small group of people, we would like to be careful too!

So glad i have the 7800X3D... Just set the curve on -20 and works perfect.

Hey Jay, Love the videos, keep it up man! do you by chance have a video going over optimized bios settings(that wont cook our pc obviously) something that could be used universally between the different motherboard/bios's

Thank you. I've been struggling with this for months on an ASUS motherboard with an i5 13400 processor. Just turning on the computer and booting into bios would cause the cpu to overheat and lock up. I was able to work around it by setting the bios to "enhanced battery" mode which would keep the cpu just below 100 degrees which would allow me to boot into windows and keep the cpu between 85-95 degrees. Now with the bios change you mentioned, the CPU idles at about 55 degrees. That's a huge improvement.

Just built a new i9 14900kf system, with an Asus motherboard, 360 AIO, was having terrible temps, changing this setting really help. Really appreciate your videos.

Excellent video. I think one of the reasons this is still happening in 2024 is because it is simply not being talked about enough. So many thanks to Jay for doing so. Why having your CPU constantly above limits and thermal throttling to protect itself as a standard default setting is beyond me. The point being made is that it is fine to have this setting available should you wish to use it, but it should never be the bios default setting. For those concerned with performance (gaming), I would encourage you to actually test this. You will probably be surprised by the results.

Thank you for another video. I watched and rewatched your older versions when setting up my 14700k

Clutch. Thanks for this video and for showing us how to fix. I’m amazed how there are so many people wanting to be UKpostsrs and make content on fixing thing but don’t explain these types of things. This is why I follow your channel. Thank you again.

Pretty spot on and important. Went on a MSI Z690 from a non K 12600 on a decent aircooler to a 13600k and loaded "defaults" and at a sudden temps skyrocketed under stress. Couldn't for my bare @ss figure out what was going on but knew the new 13600k had some higher TDP so went and installed a decent 240 AIO instead. Well, the temps was still very high but not throttling but the TDP still "out of league". Then I started catch the info about "undervoltage your rig" etc and one of the most important settings on MSI was the "Lite load" settings that currently were at "12" I finely read the voltages and saw they were way too high! Played with the "Lite Load" and ended up with set it to "4" istead. WOW what a difference! Now I finally have the normal TDP 0f 180'ish watts and normal temps and still doing speeds as on the box and still rock stable! Shame on yours motherboards manufacturers litterally cooking the CPUs for marginal gains!

literally just went through this. Ran Cinebench with my 13600k w Artic Freezer II 240mm, was hitting 100*C almost instantly. I bought a contact frame, installed it and had the same result. Did some googlin, and found that my MSI mobo has a setting called CPU lite load, which was set to auto by default. Changed it to setting 10 (from 12) and am now maxing out at 90*C in Cinebench with more consistent clocks, and score within margin of error of previous. I could probably tweak some more stuff to improve it even more but it doesn't really matter for the day to day stuff, and it does idle/run games cooler now with the contact frame.

im glad you made this video. i just submitted my 2nd RMA request for a CPU cause my asus motherboard cooked my cpu a 2nd time. and when i reached out to asus they told me its just bad luck with my cpu and i got 2 faulty ones. and closed my ticket! hope this shines some light on the issue and they fix it!

Finally someone standout to highlight the problem. I was looking for that for a long time thanks…

I wish this video had come like 2 days before. I literally spent a couple days off trying to figure the Asus settings on my wife’s 13700k.

Thank you! This is such an important thing to get out there. I feel so bad for people building their dream rig and then feeling like THEY did something wrong because of high temps due to motherboard vendor default OC profiles.

Thanks Jay it helped a lot, Keep on doing what you do!

I went through TWO i9 13900ks and TWO i9 14900ks until I found your fixes. Originally purchased in 2022 but have had intermittent issues with applications crashing. Thank you!

Years ago I had a Intel I7 7700k and a MSI Mpower platinum z270 motherboard. Running the bios factory settings gave me a idle temp of 80c. Found out that the core voltage was set to 1.4v out of the box. I dropped it down to like 1.2 and idle temps went to like 30c. No real performance changes as i dont over clock or play around to much with it, MSI released a Bios update that changed the default to 1.3 as clearly they identifed this problem. I still run it as 1.2 and have no issues. This has been issues for years.

I loaded my BIOS back to default and did not fix the issue, but I was able to find a fix within Windows in power management and it resolved the issue with the CPU.

Just tried it and sure enough, I saw similar temp drops. From high 80s/low 90s to low/mid 70s. Thanks!

Nice video. From a beta version of bios on Asus...1. The update introduces the Intel Baseline Profile option, allowing users to revert to Intel factory default settings for basic functionality, lower power limits, and improving stability in certain games. Good job, well pointed out this problem, it seems that perhaps you have induced a real change that favors users.

This happened with my 10700 on an MSI board. For the longest time I thought I had something thermally wrong. Chased it for a while with no results, then one day read about how motherboard defaults are ridiculous and, just like in this video, the motherboard defaults were nowhere NEAR the normal Intel limits for the CPU. Switched to Intel's base recommended defaults for the CPU and it instantly solved the thermal issues. Even aside from thermals, not only does it confuse consumers and waste time/money chasing problems not caused by the consumer- it wastes a ton of extra energy too - so thermals and energy skyrocket with extremely diminishing returns. It's so frustrating that this has become standard practice.

Over 4,000 watts?!?!?! That motherboard may as well just come with a fire extinguisher and a map to your circuit breaker panel

Thanks capt two cents! Exactly my issues with temps and whatever else these default settings were doing are getting sorted now to how they should be

amazing, my pc shop was trying to figure this out for ages and this video just cured my PC. Thank you so much!

Thanks Jay, my pc randomly shuts off while gaming, and it's brand new, so im going to try this seeting you just showed, thanks again

@JayzTwoCents thank you so much for posting this video. I've been having horrible crashes, including some blue screens, with my newly built homebrew system. It's been having random crashes when under heavy load (usually cyberpunk or bg3), and hardware diagnostics couldn't find anything wrong. I disabled this setting, and I now haven't had a crash in two days. You are a lifesaver!

100% agree, Jay. This issue happened to me with my MSI x570 Godlike motherboard back in 2020. After re-doing/wasting thermal paste I finally figured out that it was the stupid "Game Boost" being auto-enabled by default in the BIOS.

Goat, always fixing my/or a friend's issue as I keep watching ritually

If you're using a MSI motherboard, the power limits are auto set depending on what cooler you selected in the bios. If you select water cooled, it sets the max watt to 4095 like shown in the video. Change it to box fan even if you use an aio if you're having temp issues.

MSI Pro Z690-A DDR4 + 13600K , I originally only enabled XMP and assumed the CPU side would be fine with defaults but long story short MSI had the "CPU Lite Load" setting on mode 12 which is higher than Intel's voltage spec which lines up with Mode 9, I lowered it until the CPU became unstable which was mode 2 and raised it up to Mode 4 to be safe, my temps no longer hit 100C in Cinebench (around 86C) and gaming rarely sees above 72C (AK620 cooler). Also worth noting after a recent bios update MSI finally made Mode 9 the default as well.

Yup, mine was set up this way... I changed to enforce the limits. Thanks again.

This video saved my life !!!. I just got 13700F and when i play BFV my cpu was hiting 100 degrees. I even decided to buy some AIO and other stuffs but when i disabled the ASUS Performence Enhacment 3.0 my max temp is lowered to 70 degrees. Thank you so much!

To further this, go to Global Core SVID Voltage. Offset Mode Sign to Negative , Additional Turbo Mode to Auto and Offset Voltage to 0.10000. It will help to properly under volt your processor without hitting performance.

Exactly my problem ..... I got Asus maximus hero x MB with delided 8700k on custom water loop and its hitting 100c and I was thinking i got bad cpu ..... started to look for replacement cpu and stumbled today on this video. Soon as I get home from work I will test the setting.

You Sir are an absolute genius, I have suffered 100° on an I9 9900K for years and this droped it by 30/40°. Thank you so much 😀

Thanks for making this video Jay. My 14900k was hitting 100c on multiple cores whilst gaming and benchmarking on "default" settings. Even though having a high-end 360MM AIO.. Once I disabled that setting I'm getting a stable 81-85c and the performance loss is only 2.1%.. To think for all these months i've been torturing that CPU for an extra 2% performance...

Jay, please let it be a 45 minute video. I could listen to you vent all day long. Thank you for all you do!

But if they don’t artificially inflate their “defaults” as faster than the competition, how can they claim their products are “better”? And if they don’t reduce the lifespan of their products, how would they make more sells if a system takes 3-5 times longer to fail?

damn dude, you saved me some major problems down the line! I record and produce music at home, and I used to run my pc slow for stability, I dont want a crash in the middle of a recording. I just recently replaced my motherboard cause the old one was having some issues with disappearing hard drives, and my thunderbolt connection for my recording device kept dropping. I was thinking either power supply, or hoopty motherboard. I wasn't having any other problems, it seemed like I would experience some in conjunction with the aforementioned shtuff. I'm not really a computer guy, I really wouldn't know. So, I just looked for what seemed to me to be a decent board, and and a few features I wanted; thunderbolt, ddr5 as it was what I already had, and a decent number of m.2 slots. It was working nice! So, since I do play some video games, I decided to play with some overclocking for the first time. I made some decent decisions apparently, and thought I was all good. This video randomly came on my headphones while I was grocery shopping, and I listened carefully as I perused the aisles. Later, at home in front of the computer I set up cinebench and hardware monitor, most of the numbers looked groovy until I ran the loop, and then like a third of the p cores went straight to 100. Dude, you could cook on that lol I'm gonna finish the video, and fix my sh!t, thank you so much, you saved my comp from catching fire. THANK YOU

Jay great video. You mentioned this doesn't happen much on AMD but I've got evidence of the opposite. I've been having serious issues for 3 years with my AMD CPU/ASUS mobo combo. RMA'ed my 3900x after a year and a half of constant rebooting issues after replacing almost everything else in the system. I got a 5900x to replace it in the meantime. 6 months later, my 5900x is doing the same thing. Just became aware of the voltage issues on the 7800X3D with ASUS boards, and so I had a look in my BIOS. ASUS was running my 5900X at 1.47V VCore. Only thing I changed in BIOS up to this point was enabling DOCP for my RAM. Insane voltage. Almost certainly what's killing my CPU.

Make sure to double check your ASUS MOBO settings. Because even though I set limits it was still running at 511, 4095 and 4095.

on MSI boards what would i Disable or enable to AVOID High Temps? TY for anyone Answering 👍

Thank you. Same happened with asus tuf z790 pro + 14900k. Throttling 100C and freezing test in cinebench. Peak power draw was 357 w. Limit fixed all issues. I was shoked that default settings are not fail safe

Awesome! Thanks for this video. I am a noob to building and was sure I had assembled something wrong. I had the exact issue. Now all seems well. A tip of the hat to you sir, thank you.

i just built 14900k setup as well with 360mm AIO and running cinebench would thermal throttle my pc. and get bsod after reaching more than 100c after a while. also certain games would bring up my cpu temp up to 90s with my fans running at almost max. drove me nuts for a while... after watching this vid. i disabled that option on BIOS and no games will make CPU run more than 74c. amazing! my pc is now quiet and and i dont even see any performance loss on games. Thanks Jay for this vid. i dont know why i never subscribed to your channel until now 😅

I have this exact problem with a B660 and 13700K. I had to workaround to get 1.38v, whereas itself gave 1.61 (almost melting socket voltages) and after some bios updates, 1,48v. The problem is that many options from a Z chipset motherboard, aren''t there in B660. The mobo is Asus TUF Gaming. So... Never buy B chipset paired with unlocked i7 and above

dude, this helped me so freaking much. i built a brand new 19-14900k and 4090 system using asus motherboard and i tried and tried and tried to get unreal engine games working and always getting out of gpu memory error and enablingeverything you showed fixed every single issue i had, SUBSCRIBED!!! btw using ROG STRIX Z790-A GAMING WIFI II

So holy shit wow!! I am running a hot chip 5900X and I was getting really bad performance and with a 4070 super I should have no problem but my games would keep stuttering and so I have been trying a few different settings and running time spy as a reference point. After turning of PBO and Turbo in the bios my chip was running 20c cooler and not up at the 74c with it on. Not only that but I got the best time spy score that I have gotten out of this build! I am so glad I found this vid. Keep up the good work man

My spouse is using my previous rig, with an Asus ROG Maximus VII Gene, a 4790k and a 980 Ti (had a 1080 but it ded). The Asus BIOS wants to run its adaptive boost, but honestly it cooks the CPU. Yes, it has been re-seated and re-pasted. It's gotten so bad it will no longer post with XMP enabled, when it used to run fine. Turning adaptive boost and multicore enhancement off is the only way that rig is still safe for gaming. I know that's older than the start time you mentioned, but it feels so related.

years ago and i am talking 25+ years ago they used to have load default settings and load optimized default settings. and the load default settings was the factory settings for that cpu. and the load optimized default settings was over clocked settings for that cpu based on motherboard manufacture settings for that cpu. they should be still doing this and i do not know why they stopped doing load default settings

Thank you so much Jay, omg I thought I'd just be stuck with a heater every time i game. Especially with summer coming up, i didn't think I'd be able to use my PC all that much because last year it's just unbearably hot in my room and Dont want to freeze the rest of the house

If you have an MSI motherboard change Lite Load from 12 (default) to 9, which is the Intel recommended setting. It makes a big difference in temps and scores.

So I went and checked and sure enough this is how my 13700k on a Asus board was set. I just assumed the default wasn't a oc. Dropped my temps in a cine run almost 10c lol

OMG You saved my PC. I could cry, I have had this issue for years and even gave up with my pc for 3 years because of this issue. You found the fix, thank you so much!

Thank you @JayzTwoCents, i am running low temps now on my i9 14900k.

We went from Optimized Default being a known good that would be a first step in troubleshooting hardware, to it being the first problem we need to troubleshoot.

Because proprietary stuff. Why share money or care about the consumer as long as you get yours? Greed and money ruin everything.

The crazy power limit is something I noticed immediately and quickly set the watt limit to 253. My 13900k stays at 67°C on cinebench r23. I also found gaming was noticably better with the 253 watt limit(as in movement/feel). Running on a MSI Tomahawk z790.

For a msi board with an i7 14700k, the defaults on that had the cpu running with a short and long term power limit at 280w for both, manually set them to 253w and 180w.

The "extreme tweaker" mode is actually meant to liquify all of the copper in the motherboard so you can collect it and go sell it for some more meth

i don't understand, are the showed tips, e.g. "Gigabyte: Tweaker--> cpi upgrade: Default" your recommended settings or the settings that cook our parts? if they are the bad ones, which one should we chose?

Great information to know. I just started building my first pc with an I9 14900k and I heard they run pretty hot. I have an Asus Rog motherboard, so I expect that I’ll have to disable the motherboard default to enable the Intel default. Hopefully my 360mm aio will be able to handle it!

THANK you Jay! I can confirm that the 13700f on my ASUS Prime Z690-P (not a gamer before anyone scoffs) was running frequently at 100 degrees and much cooler now after I changed the settings as advised. Just mentioned it to Asus in the 1 year post-purchase survey with a reference to this video. Much appreciated!

You'll need to update your video on what to do after building your PC because you suggest a letting bios opitimize multicore enhancement.

nice to see this is starting to get picked up by places. i went through a replacement asus z790 mobo, replaced a 13900k because i thought it was bad since new mobo didnt fix, experienced same bullshit with the 14900k that replaced it, all on "default settings" not realizing these assholes were just flat out unlocking wattage and amperage

Great info man, thanks for sharing!

This video is actually right on time for me. I recently copped a pretty beefy rig off Newegg at a decent price off clearance (MSI Z60 Edge; 13900KF), but my stress temps were always at 100c. Plus, the case has a front intake AIO which is pushing all of that heat right onto my 4090. Just this week I learned about undervolting, and that has helped the temps (88c max). In hindsight, I should've just did a custom build, since I'm now researching better cases and AIOs.

Thanks for this, just dropped my temps 35.7c by changing that, now the wife is telling me it’s to cold in my room and to turn off my portable a/c. 😂