Considering he was a father before his variant universe collapsed, it was probably his paternal instincts kicking in

Crazy how calm he’s being seeing another spiderman happy with their daughter alive

​@@sergeantsainsburys9181 which is why he believe he's the good guy. Also, noticed he stop miles with such effort to save other universes especially knowing he could not saved his own. Miguel is a tragic character, as normal person and as spirder-man. I understand his motives.

I think part of it has to do with Peter being the closest thing he has to a friend. He was there trying to help Miguel save his family's reality so I'm sure Miguel tolerates him out of respect if nothing else.

Miguel is not a bad guy. He just takes his position very seriously as he should since he's the leader.

Meaning what exactly?

​@@erikbihari3625meaning something along the lines of "I can't take it anymore".

@@frostbittenskater995. Ok.

What did Miguel say when he took the empanadas from Miles?

@@TheIdiotHimself42 "que maravilla". It means "how marvelous".

Nice observation

Ohh so thats why he put his mask on when the Spotting light from the chopper shined on him and Alt dimension Vulture

@@northernalpine4350yeah, alongside the fangs that are meant to paralyze/stun his targets, Miguel is essentially a vampire of some sorts lol

​@@ryon5174No he isn't

@@SyllatheSpiderNerd note the word “essentially” Put two and two together and you’ll see how that comparison was even drawn

Her little nod too 🥰 4:38

She knew what she was doing.

Considering Peter immediately knew she needed changed right after Miguel handed her to him, it means she shit herself while crawling over Miguel. You know, the guy that's practically a dictator who doesn't allow dissent in his society? So yes, she literally took a crap on the establishment.

​@@nightmarefanatic1819he isn't a dictator he just wants to keep the multiverse from collapsing As far as he knows disrupting canon events could cause the destruction of the multiverse Aka countless worlds

@@G.slayer His motives don't matter when he refuses to listen to anyone who questions his theories (Miles) and banishes people who dare insinuate he might be at fault for things going wrong (Gwen.)

That line was done perfectly and turned out hilarious😂

This movie is so odd and the way things happen so quickly it's hard to keep track of what the characters are saying.

Also, Hobie wants people to share his viewpoint but he does not try to force it on them. He tries to warn Miles to think critically but never tells him "Don't join Miguel, he's bad news." He also is understanding of Gwen's position and instead of trying to drag her out of it, he stands by her and supports her until she's able to finally defy Miguel herself, which he obviously had faith she would eventually do. Contrast to Miguel's rigid demands for obedience and the way he sends her back to her home dimension knowing what's in store for her there because she was too defiant. Hobie and Miguel aren't just "Rebel vs Authoritarian" they're also complete opposites in how they think you should go about influencing people, with Gwen being the example of the people.

Sometimes I don’t like that. But for the sack of certain exceptions like this, it’s alright

And even still, you can understand why and not necessarily hate it.

Also like how Hobie looks at us as he’s gathering stuff and before he talks to miles. You have to stop at the frame before he spins behind miles, he’s staring straight at the camera

And a third one as an ironic joke-he's the only Spider-Man with a paralyzing bite. 😂

He’s funny because he’s not trying to be funny.

@@benwasserman8223 Straight man surrounded by the red and blue onesie clownshow. Makes the goofballs that much funnier if there's a comparative "normie" there losing their patience with it.

The serious boss man surrounded by loveable goofballs is always peak comedy

​​@Shagnazty-nn1ub 2:51 "🫵😠And you? 🖐😒I'm just gonna try and ignore you. I just can't- I can't even right now."

​@@Shagnazty-nn1ub 3:47 "🙄😤🤦‍♂️N-no, no, no--! Yo no puedo mas, no puedo mas..."

DOWN BAD????😭

For over a year she couldn't think straight and the way she looked at the polaroid picture was not like missing a mere friend instead someone who is very close to her heart. She always got lost in his thoughts.And when she got the chance she immediately visited him and first thing she did was hugging him tightly and then acting awkwardly around him.

Also HOBIE said , U CAN MAKE UR OWN WATCH ...... He knows more...... !!!

@@usmaniftekhar7121 yes Hobie knew Miles was the person from 1610 about whom Gwen never stopped talking cause she was crushing pretty hard and by the end of ATSV she had completely fallen for Miles. Even the watch he made was already tuned to 1610 so that Gwen could fix her relationship with Miles and tell everything to him which she couldn't before as Miguel was spying them.

That’s what I been thinking about Gwen. As much as she miss Miles, she been at this club far too long. She lost her consciousness and went along for the ride all because she couldn’t return to her own dimension. But in order to stay, she had to follow his rules.

Pretty much confirmed

Dude's dangerous

bro's playing 4D chess with Miguel

​@marlonquintana3466 Dangerous, but thinks outside the box, unlike Miguel.

Hobie Brown in the mainline universe became Prowler. He was a tech genius like Peter. It looks like Spider-Punk has the traditional science-acumen Spider-Man's are known for.

Narcissism is when you take responsibility for your actions and demand that for others because that's not what Spiderman is literally about or anything

@@theysellsoulscheaphere8501 He's so obsessed with the idea of Spider-man that he thinks the universe literally revolves around him. Assuming that it was Spider-Man Canon being disrupted that broke a universe instead of _literally anything else, like him invading to take his dead self's place_ is the height of arrogance and narcissism.

​​@@Blazieth He doesn't think the universe revolves around him how tf did you come to conclusion. Him invading another universe broke cannon.

@@SupremeCodyGaming His whole "Spider Canon" bit preaches that Spider Man is so integral to the existence of the universe that disrupting any of the "Canon events" will break the universe. And yet, it happens MULTIPLE times without consequence. Hell, it can be argued that Miguel himself doesn't even fit the Spider Bite Canon Event; he wasn't bitten, he was spliced with Spider DNA in a genetic experiment that got sabotaged. But Miles himself is central to multiple Canon events being broken, and not one of those universes is collapsing; the closest we get is Spot's stuff messing up one building and everyone overreacts and outright ignores Miles pointing out that it was The Spot, not "canon being broken". Hell, what about Universe 42? Sure, the place is in a worse state for not having a Spider Man, _but the universe still exists._ Literally EVERY SINGLE CANON EVENT was completely averted due to the spider being absent. Universe is fine. The entire Canon Event system is bullshit born of Narcissistic self-importance. The one universe that is broken, is one that is _invaded by someone from another universe._ That's not about Canon being broken, it's an incursion, the same sort of thing that gets talked about in Multiverse of Madness.

@Blazieth He didn't preach about spiderman being integral to the universe.. He simply claimed that breaking enough cannon at some point would put all lives in the multiverse at risk. Hence why he told miles to sacrifice one to save all. Nothing he says is in any definition of the work narcissistic. He destroyed an entire universe simply by just existing. He came to the conclusion with the help of his model that if you do it enough, it would deconstruct the multiverse. Going out an busting his ass to weave in anomalies that came as the result of the alchemax is not something a narcissistic person would do. Pretty selfless to clean up after others if you ask me.

Yup “the hardest choices require the strongest wills.” Just like how Leonardo from TMNT is often portrayed as a hardass, not because he wants to be, but because he has to lead his brothers.

Bruh thank you for actually paying attention to cyclops character traits

@@kb6900 better than that. I am in the process of writing a story for cyclops. As soon as I get a new computer though

@@francostevo9939 cool! What’s it about

@@kb6900 that I am working on but it involves a mutant, a mutant that I made up; a mutant that has the power to absorb the mutant powers of others and transfer those powers into another person either animal, mutant, even human. Cyclops makes the discovery of this mutant being kept at shield and is furious that Captain America kept such a mutant a secret from him; thinking that having a mutant like that by the X-men side would work wonders and could help mutant kind. Captain America agrees with that but as we all know, Cap always chooses the moral choice while cyclops chooses the mutant choice. Captain America wants this mutant to work with shield to be able to help out everyone because if there is someone with powers they must defeat, this transfer power mutant is the best alley they can have in their team.

Well mayday might just explain that

Tony Stark built an arc reactor with a box of scraps in a cave.

@@adhulpu7924Tony stark is a genius is not the same

@@Trillelieldelajersey What I'm trying to say is he did it with limited resources. Of course he is a genius. What if Hobie is also a genius. We don't know his story entirely. So don't underestimate him.

​@@Trillelieldelajerseyevery spider person has to be intelligent to some degree considering the majority have to make there own web fluid

@@Trillelieldelajersey Erm... And Spiderman Isn't a genius? Every Spiderman is a genius who is canonically in a similar mental playing field as Tony for the most part, and Hobie is a Spiderman. More or less the same odds of genius as any Tony Stark variant because "Genius" is a trait part of the character of Spiderman.

I was actually surprised they referenced Loki.

Is it a reference to the world tree? Like Yggdrasil?

Probably​@@parkchimmin7913

Even in ben10 its a tree

​@@parkchimmin7913 i wish but i dont think so

Which is fair considering he's a rigid, authoritarian figure and Hobie is an anarchist who's constantly making remarks about what a rebel he is. Too bad for Miguel he didn't take any of what he said seriously.

Yes. But that tv show and the ones produced by Disney never included any REAL death until now.

LMAOOO That was also immediately what I said when that happened 😂

I get you man. In January of this year I was in a car accident because of some other person who caused it, but I beat myself over it everyday. Thinking what I could’ve done differently, and it’s a pain that never leaves me, it’s always in the back of my mind haunting me everyday.

Bro literally passed his canon event

​@@roman_gulko3815bro became part of the movie

Well I *can* hate Miguel. Not just cause of the whole "canon event" stuff, but because he's blaming Miles like he purposely caused everything that's happened. Miles didn't know about the spider, he didn't tell Spot to use the Collider make a black hole in Mumbahattan, he had little to no control over the events that led up to this movie, and Miguel is blaming him like *he's* the bad guy in all this

I know exactly how you feel.

7:15 at the back when everyone is looking at Miles it looks like all of them are mad at Miles

All except Hobie.

Miguel was too hard on him.

​@@aryelrosa4829Miguel was too hard for him (if yknow what I mean)

Probably because he's the most irresponsible Spiderman which makes him the worst Spiderman if you think about it.

@@theysellsoulscheaphere8501then yet again he’s still a kid (teenager)

I feel there could be some projection going on there. Miles is about to ruin a whole dimension just like Miguel did, so actually the beef lies on the fact that Miles is the constant reminder of what he himself did in the past. It's like looking yourself in the mirror and feel constantly disgusted. The difference is that Miguel took full accountability and, in his eyes, Miles is not. That's why he's so "I did everything I had to redeem myself and this kid, who's following the same path, seems to give zero fcks" and that's simply unbearable for him.

The directors did said they just put that as a reference/easter egg from what was shown on Loki Season 1.

I thought it was because of the connection to Norse Myth, the World Tree.

@@Sergote12yeah most fictional pieces take from that, eg attack on titan, loki, spiderman all adopt the idea of a world tree

Except Miles didn't "create" the Spot, he was just the final nail that sealed his fate. The Spot created himself when he and the others brought the spider that bit Miles from Earth 42(I think it was 42 could be wrong) leading up to all the events in Across the Spiderverse

Which it could be argued wouldn't have happened if the collider in the first film wasn't even built. Miguel blaming Miles for creating the Spot is completely stupid because inaction then would have resulted in the death of the entire Spiderverse. A butterfly effect in motion.

Yea

Basically taking no accountability for their mistakes. It's the easy way out. I like your theory.

​@@pavlemarjanovic1896how so? They are spidermen they are all about responsibility

Noo, please no.

Ahh😮😮😅😂

Yeah I see it too Obviously this is all speculation, but I feel like he’s going to have a change of heart and be the one to die rather that Mile’s dad.

STOP NO😭

I don’t think so. But he’s fantastic as the voice.

Ngl, Across the Spider Verse is the film that convinced me no live action film can hold a candle to animation. Doing Miguel in live action would just add limits.

​@poisonbonbons8684 For real.If DC has taught me anything is that Animation does more justice for superheroes than live action

Is he Mexica Irish or half Mexican? If not.. no.

i love him as moon knight tho… i can’t choose

Where? 😮

​@marlonquintana3466 6:36

@@marlonquintana34666:37

Another thing: his daughter is named after his late brother Gabriel, who at some point was Goblin 2099.

That's kind of what was expanded in Multiverse Of Madness

In reality? Nick Cage was busy and Mulaney was in rehab. In the movie? Probably not recruited yet.

In the end they were on the spider gang in the finale of the team

@@Illier1maybe they didn’t fit in with Miguel’s recruitment policies. Not everyone does. Noir especially is like spider-punk, in that they’re against the establishment.

My personal theory is they opted out of joining the Spider Society when they learned Miguel considers Miles a multiversal threat.

And his little high five to her

Daniel Pemberton is going to win a Guild of Music Supervisor and composers award for this. It's so immersive.

@@AntThePianoMan yes 👍

correct. Not sure if exactly like comics, but his powers don’t come from a spider bite. Involves injection that mixes his dna with spider dna

​@fionnbarrcasey5247 The comic version was basically that old horror movie "The Fly" where Jeff Goldbloom gets spliced with Fly DNA, but Miguel's case is of course with a spider

​@@fionnbarrcasey5247 I didnt read the comics so would he lose his powers if he stopped the injections?

@@alexandermeiering5216 basically, Miguel wanted to quit his job at Alchemax after witnessing illegal human experiment. His boss wasn’t having it, so he poisoned Miguel with Rapture, an addictive drug that get you addicted for life, and that only Alchemax sell it legally ( terrible way to keep your employees…). Miguel then try to genetically reset his body, but his supervisor messed with his experiment, which leads him to have his body fused with spider DNA, turning him into Spiderman 2099.

His eyes do show an affect so possibly his powers

Taking* (Let's just pretend I never made that mistake) Edit: Didn't know y'all liked pointed out obvious things *that* much >:D

If you look at pav universe building collapsing with dark matter consuming it when hobie and Gwen are holding it up and miles and pav go down to save people the building is covered in dark matter consuming it causing the hole in mumbattan not canon event disruption

They’re both half-Hispanic but grew up in the US.