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@magicmulder
@magicmulder 2 роки тому
Alpha Go: “I learned from the best humans.” Alpha Zero: “That was your first mistake, young padawan.”
@gJonii
@gJonii 2 роки тому
Alphago never saw any pro games. The training data it got was from KGS amateur games
@simonmasters3295
@simonmasters3295 Рік тому
@@gJonii I think magicmulder has the padawn and master reversed
@AntTurner
@AntTurner Рік тому
@@gJonii Alphago got training and critiquing from the guy it beat the first time, who was a professional.
@gJonii
@gJonii Рік тому
@@AntTurner Nope. Fan Hui had no way to influence training of Alpha Go
@AntTurner
@AntTurner Рік тому
@@gJonii Yes he 100% did, in fact he was the main reason Alphago beat Lee Sedol. He helped the deepmind team find the weaknesses of Alphago by playing Alphago at their office for months. He was on the team and refereed the Aphago vs Lee Sedol matches. It was all shown in the Documentary.
@HummingbirdCyborg
@HummingbirdCyborg 6 років тому
I had no idea that it used so much less processing power. That's an insane leap.
@Oliver-bn7jt
@Oliver-bn7jt 3 роки тому
there are 10 to the power of 360 possible combinations. frankly there is just about no point having a lot of processing power unless you have a computer like 500 - 1000 years from now
@Wtahc
@Wtahc Рік тому
@@Oliver-bn7jt terrible argument
@gpt-jcommentbot4759
@gpt-jcommentbot4759 6 місяців тому
@@Oliver-bn7jt Yes there is? Because they can use it to make a better AlphaGo AI neural net?
@dinkir935
@dinkir935 6 років тому
Anyone who thinks these games will die as computers get better is wrong. We still watch running events even though we've invented cars. There's something special about watching humans battle it out. Also we'd probably be that good too if we could play for days straight with 0 distractions, 100% focus, and a body hooked up to a constant power supply. But that processing power is.. wow
@MrCmon113
@MrCmon113 5 років тому
No, you wouldn't, because the hardware AlphaZero runs on is much faster. So even if you were just as smart about Go as it, you would still lose.
@judetheman1562
@judetheman1562 3 роки тому
@@MrCmon113 I don’t understand how that makes sense elaborate.
@SiavashFahimi
@SiavashFahimi 5 років тому
This is one of the best channels that is short and sweet. Thank you so much!
@lol101lol101lol10199
@lol101lol101lol10199 6 років тому
Computers may be able to beat me at chess and Go, but they are no match for me in kickboxing.
@robiniekiller45
@robiniekiller45 6 років тому
lol101lol101lol10199 lets make robots that can fight better than humans, good idea
@Pyedr
@Pyedr 6 років тому
All it has to do to beat you in kickboxing is be made out of steel
@resendeznathan
@resendeznathan 6 років тому
lol101lol101lol10199 just give it a couple years
@infinitysalinity7981
@infinitysalinity7981 6 років тому
Alphago Crotch-crusher upcoming.
@quarryryde
@quarryryde 6 років тому
Look up Boston Robotics. Google Deepmind brains + Boston Robotics limbs will thrash you forever.
@UnboxingSve
@UnboxingSve 6 років тому
Watch on 2x speed and it will be 2min paper :)
@Aulig
@Aulig 6 років тому
Unboxing Sve lol i watch all videos on double speed to save time
@joech1065
@joech1065 6 років тому
Aulig I have my life on 2x.
@latentspacex
@latentspacex 6 років тому
+Aulig haha great strategy
@benjaminmiller3620
@benjaminmiller3620 6 років тому
I also watch all videos at 1.5 - 2x speed. I've actually noticed an improvement to my ability to rapidly absorb information since I've been doing it.
@fleecemaster
@fleecemaster 6 років тому
The first 3 mins was just a recap too, I've noticed this on all his recent videos, I think it's just a response to the change in the youtube algorithms, longer videos make more money. I only partly blame him for that, since I disagree with what youtube has done, but this is the last one I'll be watching.
@siddacious
@siddacious 6 років тому
Great video! I had heard about AlphaGo Zero but had no idea how much more efficient it is. Amazing!
@liono256
@liono256 6 років тому
Elo Rating over 5000? Come on guys let's get it OVER 9,000!!!!!
@SJNaka101
@SJNaka101 6 років тому
Ariel Rico unfortunately perfect play probably lies well before a 9k rating, so we will never have a go player with OVER 9000! rating
@Ezreal223
@Ezreal223 6 років тому
Paper says 200 elo = 75% win rate, 500 for 95%, if you never lose your elo is infinite
@gbravy
@gbravy 6 років тому
WHAT! 9000?!
@Andreabay90
@Andreabay90 4 роки тому
@@Ezreal223 you dont get any more elo at a certain point unless u have opponents in a certain range
@vinchen3025
@vinchen3025 3 роки тому
@@Andreabay90 cant he just beat himself?
@iliantrifonov7078
@iliantrifonov7078 6 років тому
Would love an in depth look at the actual paper, with details into how they train the neural network, and how they use the monte carlo tree search (from what I understood, each training game it played against it self did large amounts of in depth searches on future possible moves, that it evaluated with the neural network, and played many paths to finish on each move), what features they use etc, as there are changes here from previous versions of AlphaGo. Also how they choose/discard branches to dig deeper in the MCTS would be very interesting to dig deeper into.
@1000left
@1000left 5 років тому
Incredibly well done video. It is in fact A GREAT TIME TO BE ALIVE!!!!! Thank you!!!
@Immortal-Daiki
@Immortal-Daiki 2 роки тому
Wow congratulations on 1M subscribers!! Love your channel!
@timonix2
@timonix2 6 років тому
I wonder how much humans will improve after being able to use the examples set by alpha go zero and being able to play against it. Chess computer had a huge impact on how quickly humans could improve after all
@sallerc
@sallerc 6 років тому
Didn't know that, interesting
@gabrielgonzales5907
@gabrielgonzales5907 6 років тому
I'd like it to improve my playing, haha. I like playing Go but I don't practice it very much.
@astakos01
@astakos01 6 років тому
Alpha Zero beat stockfish- the strongest chess program at this moment with 28 wins and 72 draws in a 100 games . Its not only the result insane but the way this Ai win some of the games !!
@gabrielgonzales5907
@gabrielgonzales5907 6 років тому
Thanks, astakos01. It's amazing how Alpha Zero beat stockfish! I mentioned Go on one of the chess video threads because many of those people aren't aware of AlphaGo Zero.
@sallerc
@sallerc 6 років тому
Speaking of alpha zero vs stockfish, just watched this video (recommended): ukposts.info/have/v-deo/aJdqh6KNm6xisY0.html
@AtlasReburdened
@AtlasReburdened 6 років тому
Unnervingly delightful. That power consumption comparison is thing of beauty. I often like to compare the processing power of things to their equivalent in skyscrapers worth of vacuum tube computers. A modern phone would take a city of them, but Zero here, is like a full state of them. That could consume all the worlds power. Now its running on a single machine and were still hammering progress home as we start to peek over the event horizon. What a time to exist.
@klasop
@klasop 6 років тому
Please make a video about the new go strategies AlphaGo though us, or what the masters learned from the AI.
@akanippy
@akanippy 6 років тому
we live in the most remarkable time. What an adventure!!
@andyroider97
@andyroider97 6 років тому
It's all about computing power my friend. In the meantime you can try out this: www.deepl.com/translator
@MrBlues113
@MrBlues113 6 років тому
That thing is just amazing, thank you. Gave me faith in AI again, I used large wikipedia texts, its was amazingly perfect.
@squamish4244
@squamish4244 6 років тому
Yeah...but AI really is different.
@AGMartinez
@AGMartinez 5 років тому
Someone always says that
@fluent_styles6720
@fluent_styles6720 5 років тому
chronok I was thinking about that as well.
@Aulig
@Aulig 6 років тому
simply amazing, thx for sharing!
@TwoMinutePapers
@TwoMinutePapers 6 років тому
Thank you for watching Aulig! :)
@trapOrdoom
@trapOrdoom 6 років тому
better without being taught human flaws, eh?
@ronin6158
@ronin6158 6 років тому
here you've hit it. (keep your voice down though, humans dont like to hear this sort of thing)
@ronin6158
@ronin6158 6 років тому
kawaii, watch the vid... thats what they did first. Then they let it go with nothing, the 'from zero' version was superior.
@RobertBowerman1
@RobertBowerman1 6 років тому
AlphaGo was primed with a database of 100,000 games of Go played by humans collected from the Internet. The later AlphaZero in contrast only learned by playing against itself and had no priming database.
@dextrian
@dextrian 6 років тому
wow, in 1 year we get a super AI from 176gpus to 4 TPUS ???? That is crazy , with a supercomputer and that kind of technological power, we could design new materials, aerodynamics , energy storage, economical theories... at that velocity , 2020 will change humanity forever.
@fredkeebox829
@fredkeebox829 6 років тому
How much more powerful is a TPU than a GPU (very top-end, for clarity)? Something like 3x, right? Source: first comment here: www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/6ya2r2/hot_chips_2017_a_closer_look_at_googles_tpu_v2_or/
@ProjectPhysX
@ProjectPhysX 6 років тому
The first approach was a huge neural network which requires lots of computational power. Once it became clear that a much smaller net was able to provide sufficient enough solutions, the net just got scaled down to the point where it could run on one machine. Keep in mind that Go is "just" a board game and that the AI does not even know that the board even exists. A similar sized neural network probably won't provide even one single solution for the general AI task, so don't ever expect a general AI to run on a 2017 average gaming rig.
@josephwilliams5292
@josephwilliams5292 6 років тому
But why would we do any of that when we can just make them all really good at games?
@ATOMVALGG
@ATOMVALGG 5 років тому
yeah it'll CHANGE humanity forever with nanobots and a bunch of stuff ai will implant in humans by using minds we gave them and manipulate us to do somethin' real uncool
@khytron06
@khytron06 4 роки тому
Hi im from 2020 and nothing changed
@myothersoul1953
@myothersoul1953 6 років тому
Very interesting, good job! One way to categorize is intelligence is into crystallized and fluid intelligence. Crystallized being what you know and fluid being how fast you learn. I wonder how this algorithms compare with humans on learning? How many games does a human have to play to gain a certain level versus how many games the algorithm has to play to get to the same level?
@lance9749
@lance9749 6 років тому
Wow mind blown.. I've spent my life in technology and for some reason I can not believe the next exponential phase despite all the evidence right in front of my face. The hard part is that in the past we have heard oh there will be "flying cars" by 2000 or whatever and those things never happen. Is this next phase real going to big a huge leap in 5-10 years?
@vaultfault9360
@vaultfault9360 6 років тому
Flying cars exist, they just don't see much demand because it's horribly inefficient to use them as personal transport for short journeys. They see some use is Saudi Arabia because they have money metaphorically pouring out of their ears. AI on the other hand, assuming both the hardware and software continues to improve exponentially, you'd expect would end up fairly cheap and accessible.
@angelic8632002
@angelic8632002 6 років тому
The next step would be to start to translate and leverage this AI system to other more utilitarian tasks, such as information searches, medical advice, military and police work(bit sketchy), research(huge one), lawyer and accountant jobs, etc. etc. That's when things will really take off, and judging by the rate of progress so far, some of those are *within* the next 5 years.
@andrasbiro3007
@andrasbiro3007 6 років тому
Actually, practical and affordable flying cars are around the corner. Just scale up a drone, add self-driving capability, and it's done. Several companies are doing this or similar things right now.
@joech1065
@joech1065 6 років тому
Lance Stone I think when evaluating future trends we need to both think about physical plausibility and economical plausibility. And many futurists forget about the latter. In case of flying cars, it could be seen that they don't have much of an economical advantage (they would also make any car crash look mild in comparison, because you would accelerate towards the ground when anything fails). AGI, on another hand, has everything going for it economically. It's both physically plausible and strongly economically beneficial.
@lance9749
@lance9749 6 років тому
Thank you all for the replies. The flying car is meant as reference to old forgotten promises of "Everyone will be driving flying cars" by the year 2000. Predicating the future is never an exact science of course. The other thing that is related to what some of you are mentioning is can humanity deal with a "Flying Car" or "AI" safely. As you know technology is always a double edged sword... aka commercial plane can become a flying weapon. I am a hopeless optimist and with pragmatic thinking. We are all very excited to see this next phase happen and we all want it bring us into a golden age (or Diamond age if you throw in nanotech) Yes I want AI to do all the boring work and yes I want it to solve all our big problems. However, I question if this will happen in 5 years or 50 years.
@joe-rivera
@joe-rivera 6 років тому
Would be interesting to hear about any woks exploring techniques for mitigating the future dangers we could face in building programs that can grow in “intelligence” this quickly. Obviously not an issue when focused on learning a game, but what happens when these techniques extend beyond limited lab experiments? What happens as the techniques become broadly available? How do we stop the snowball from turning into an avalanche? Gloomy, I know, but this stuff has to be explored in parallel and solved before an intelligence explosion happens.
@CristanMeijer
@CristanMeijer 5 місяців тому
The same thing happened to chess, and chess didn't die. In fact, there's no human who could come even close to computers in chess nowadays, and chess is more popular than ever. Heck, it enabled various tools like the analyse game feature, and it has helped people getting even stronger in chess.
@TJ_USA
@TJ_USA 6 років тому
Great video. Many thanks.
@Goryus
@Goryus 6 років тому
It won by 89-11, not 100-0. It only beat earlier versions of AlphaGo 100-0, which the newer versions of AlphaGo also did.
@Myrslokstok
@Myrslokstok 6 років тому
Derek Neal It did not beat MasterGo but I think it beat LeeSedol good AlphaGo. Witch is pritty nice. Selflearning algorithm.
@infinitysalinity7981
@infinitysalinity7981 6 років тому
That's the score against alphago master. The score against alphago lee was 100-0.
@Adhil_parammel
@Adhil_parammel 2 роки тому
Go Lee around 3800 Go master around 4800 Alpha go zero 5100
@TheVersionController
@TheVersionController 4 роки тому
Subscribed. Awesome channel
@BipiusOrganisation
@BipiusOrganisation 6 років тому
Fascinating!
@marcmarc172
@marcmarc172 6 років тому
Amazing.
@nijilraj6536
@nijilraj6536 3 роки тому
It is fair to say that "history is unfolding before or eyes.. What a time to be alive !! "
@ehfo
@ehfo 6 років тому
amazing!
@hubblebublumbubwub5215
@hubblebublumbubwub5215 6 років тому
Lisa Doll is my favorite go player
@truman5560
@truman5560 4 роки тому
Its lee sedol
@benjaminblack91
@benjaminblack91 4 роки тому
This is now out of date MuZero now beats alphzero by a significant margin. Crazy!
@armin0815
@armin0815 6 років тому
I, for one, welcome our new AI overlords!
@topdog5252
@topdog5252 3 роки тому
only knowledge of the rules of the game and working up from there. That's the power of 1st principles. Imagine a future version but with physics theories or even just starting with bare minimum, to imagine its own experiments to test and develop and prove its own theories and improve our current theories.
@Blooper1980
@Blooper1980 6 років тому
Next time!! :)
@InfiniteUniverse88
@InfiniteUniverse88 6 років тому
I'd like to see the version of Alpha Go that beat Lee Sedol compete against Ke Jie.
@DanielMaidment
@DanielMaidment 6 років тому
Could you maybe do an analysis as to how this is a game changer conceptually. While these are all extraordinary results it seems to me that in the grand scheme of AI in the real world, this was the next logical step. In other words, it seems somewhat obvious that algorithms as good AlphaMaster trained against itself from scratch should reach unprecedented levels of excellence. Whereas some of my friends argue that the step from AlphaMaster to AlphaZero is bigger than from AlphaFen to AlphaMaster. What does this mean on the path to general AI? I'm an enthusiast of AI, and I have a lot of signal processing knowledge, but I've never studied AI itself, so please forgive my ignorance.
@DanielMaidment
@DanielMaidment 6 років тому
Cole Park, unfortunately imagination is the enemy. I just kind of want to know if this really is as big a step as everyone seems to think (Zero in particular, I know that Alpha in general is a huge leap with the dual networks). I didn't know about protein folding, I suppose that that would highlight the importance in non supervised techniques
@andrasbiro3007
@andrasbiro3007 6 років тому
There are two very important things here. First, it didn't have to observe human players, that means it can learn things that humans don't know yet. Second, it uses drastically less hardware. A big supercomputer is good for cracking a few big problems, but if you have the same capability in a regular computer, or eventual in a smartphone, that's a whole new level. This will enable things we can't even imagine now. Even if the technology never goes beyond this level, it will still completely change the world. For example, if it's refined and applied to many problems, how many jobs will it eliminate? Probably almost all of them. And this is far from being the end, it's just the beginning. At this speed human level AI will be here in 5-10 years. And we are completely unprepared for that. What happens when unemployment goes up to 80% or more in just a few years (and it's a "when", not an "if")?
@frankx8739
@frankx8739 6 років тому
Was intrigued by the saturation curve: might this indicate an inherent maximum difficulty for the game of GO? Would a similar principle apply to other games like chess? If so, the next step is for AI to invent its own, more challenging games, (which humans probably might not be able to even learn to play).
@Schreddermann
@Schreddermann 6 років тому
Letting a computer create a game that humans will never be able to learn to play is quite easy. You don't even need an AI for that, you just have to make up tons of rules and exploit the fact that humans have very limited task memory.
@frankx8739
@frankx8739 6 років тому
True AI when it takes off will not be interested in ames made of a pile of junk rules, Shreddie boy.
@yannicmodritscher4646
@yannicmodritscher4646 6 років тому
frank x The first AGI would not be like a human. While a human can hate a task like creating a useless game, a AGI would do its job without feelings.
@The-Dom
@The-Dom 6 років тому
Yeah AI taught with human examples tends to mimic human error at times thinking that is what it should do. Fascinating.
@garolittle
@garolittle 6 років тому
Wow. That was cool.
@soyouknow8207
@soyouknow8207 3 роки тому
AlphaGo: This isn't even my final form yet..
@gladietorofspace
@gladietorofspace 6 років тому
hi dudes is there any advise where is possible find and watch Alpha Go gamesDeDe
@freeride5383
@freeride5383 6 років тому
Strong and stable
@khl2445
@khl2445 5 років тому
and that guys 2 years ago your mind = blown
@ZergRadio
@ZergRadio 4 роки тому
I am gonna start learning and playing GO. From NOW....::::....
@kyalvidigi1398
@kyalvidigi1398 4 роки тому
Now Fan Hui is famous to be the very first pro to get beaten by AI.
@harryandruschak2843
@harryandruschak2843 6 років тому
This same learn-from-scratch computer has just resulted in the world's strongest chess player.
@NatiiixLP
@NatiiixLP 3 роки тому
"What if we used 100 % of our brain capacity?" AlphaGo: "Allow us to introduce ourselves."
@keplaris2401
@keplaris2401 4 роки тому
Lee Sedol didn't lose 5 to zero but 4 - 1. Lee Sedol won one of the five games.
@SciFiFactory
@SciFiFactory 6 років тому
Question: Is there any research done that would enable those AIs to explain their behaviour? Explain their reasoning? In the case of Go we can watch it play and learn from that. But that is not very efficient. It might even be impossible in other cases or even dangerous. Also, only than the question "Did you understand what I want to be the goal" becomes remotely possible for use cases that have more complex winning conditions than Go. If AlphaGo Zero could explain its strategy to human players, could it still beat them?
@ericsaul9306
@ericsaul9306 6 років тому
thats the whole point and at the same time the scary thing, no one completely knows, this algorithms develop a complicated neuron network whose patterns of activation are akin to the brains neuron, at a first glance it's easy to see why some particular neuron fired, but as the model grows in complexity it would be the same as to ask why your brain fires neurons in that particular order when you are playing go, its such a complicated algorithm that there would be needed years of study just to answer that question of that particular moment, the whole point of AI its for us not having to figure out which algorithm would be needed to solve a problem and just "fix it"
@SciFiFactory
@SciFiFactory 6 років тому
Well if that is the general mindset in AI development, than I am against it. As an analogy: This is like building a nuklear power plant and saying: "Well we don't really understand it, it is really really complicated and would require so many years of research, but we found some way that works. So it solves our problem. :D ..... What? No, I don't know under which conditions it might do something unexpected and what happens than.... But well find out than, right? Don't worry. ^^" No ... Elon has a point ... we need to regulate this research. We have to understand what happens there.
@austinconner2479
@austinconner2479 6 років тому
SciFi Factory this is a subject of ongoing research. Don't believe AI researchers are taking some uniform mindset to their work, that's not how science works. I think there's even a two minute paper on trying to get a neural network to explain itself in the context of Frogger
@SciFiFactory
@SciFiFactory 6 років тому
Thanks, thats why I asked. ^^ I'll try to find it.
@wheatley6544
@wheatley6544 6 років тому
+SciFi Factory I don't think that is a completely fair analogy to be honest. Humans are also in charge of everything from heavy machinery to weapons of mass destruction, despite that we may make mistakes, have accidents, snap or otherwise behave unpredictably. However, safety checks, fail-safes, regulations and other security measures make up for many of our flaws, and I don't see any reason why AI would be exempt from any of those. And if you are implying that general AI itself is the danger well... that's a complex topic. I'd say we need to realise that if an AI gains self awareness and the ability to think and reason about it's own existence, then it should also gain rights and responsibilities of its own.
@xiobus
@xiobus 6 років тому
Anyone know if they are selling their TPUs or can ne pressured to do so in the interest of the democratization of AI?
@jamesgrey13
@jamesgrey13 6 років тому
The Skynet's the limit! :D
@Wegnerrobert2
@Wegnerrobert2 6 років тому
sick
@Nazzaroth
@Nazzaroth 6 років тому
dang that learning speed is iiinsane! that really show how fast an ai could develop if we finally get something humanlike done. it just days time it probably would have solved every modern problem humans are hitting their heads against. not be a fearmongerer but dang that really seems like a scary future. i for one like my machines closer to my toaster. he does his job without trying to overthrow me XD naa but to be serious, i wonder how long it will take for humanlike ai with this speed of research...
@bigflexhec
@bigflexhec 5 років тому
Very good question
@phantomcruizer
@phantomcruizer 6 років тому
These could be the beginnings of Colossus and Guardian.
@seanfaherty
@seanfaherty Рік тому
As a guy who gets hammered by nerfed versions of Crazy Stone I gotta say I’m really starting to feel like Ray Steven’s- “does he loooove you half as much as I ?”
@fekete-kiss-sandor
@fekete-kiss-sandor 6 років тому
OMG Are we maybe in trouble now?
@feryth
@feryth 6 років тому
Can we have another Paper in Two Minutes lol
@notapplicable7292
@notapplicable7292 6 років тому
more is always better!
@zdhernandez1
@zdhernandez1 6 років тому
Haha
@SJNaka101
@SJNaka101 6 років тому
You been watching someone else's channel about AI?
@alexandernevsky5055
@alexandernevsky5055 6 років тому
What a time to be alive!
@NicolaiCzempin
@NicolaiCzempin 6 років тому
You made it sound like chess engines use exhaustive search.
@MilesBellas
@MilesBellas 5 років тому
"As a result, a long-standing ambition of AI research is to bypass this step, creating algorithms that achieve superhuman performance in the most challenging domains with no human input. Previous versions of AlphaGo initially trained on thousands of human amateur and professional games to learn how to play Go. AlphaGo Zero skips this step and learns to play simply by playing games against itself, starting from completely random play. In doing so, it quickly surpassed human level of play and defeated the previously published champion-defeating version of AlphaGo by 100 games to 0. "
@kallek919
@kallek919 4 роки тому
It has been said that it takes a (human) lifetime to master. AlphaGo Zero did it in 3 weeks!
@judetheman1562
@judetheman1562 3 роки тому
But alpha go zero played numerous lifetimes of games in those 3 weeks.
@kallek919
@kallek919 3 роки тому
It feels unfair not to give AlphaGo Zero its legitimate praise for the fact that the human brain's learning ability is so limited ...
@judetheman1562
@judetheman1562 3 роки тому
@@kallek919 Humans ability to learn is limited due to the fact humans have to dedicate so much time to other things in their life . And how are we not praising Alpha Go for it’s accomplishment? And why are we talking about feelings it an AI
@kallek919
@kallek919 3 роки тому
... because we want to make you think a few steps further, beyond your static and limited imaginary capacity ...
@judetheman1562
@judetheman1562 3 роки тому
@@kallek919 lol
@pearlnaturalvision
@pearlnaturalvision 6 років тому
Any (almost) artificial game can be associated only with low level A.I., in other words, its more of a high level Expert System than an A.I. system.
@marcabramsky1736
@marcabramsky1736 5 років тому
I think this is amazing too. Utterly incredible. I see some wise comments below though. The problem is "we don't know HOW these deep learners did it". If it is smarter than the smartest humans then that is a problem. It will grow incredibly quickly and we (as humans) will be left far behind. This may be good or bad. It is just one scenario of many. However maybe we need a way to interact with this kind of intelligence to raise our own standards before we unleash it? I mean if you can't understand what it is you created then it puts you at a serious disadvantage. Biologically we have our limits compared to a machine. Just a thought.
@theriptide9461
@theriptide9461 3 роки тому
You are only intelligent if you excel at more then one task. That chess ai can't do simple math, so what does that tell you. Stop being hyperbolic.
@AlexanderBollbach
@AlexanderBollbach 6 років тому
is it fair to say that this was an application of unsupervised learning?
@ZnorfRat
@ZnorfRat 6 років тому
Alexander Bollbach technically they used reinforcement learning I believe, which is slightly different
@brindlebriar
@brindlebriar 6 років тому
The final form was unsupervised(according to the video), unless you count inputting the rules. And that's a keen observation pertinent to human 'education,' as I think you were implying. Our 'education' system is a data input model. We hard-code the approved strategies into our students, and, in my experience, even punish them if they attempt to investigate unsanctioned conceptual pathways. And _still_ we innovate. God damn, I think I like us. Fuck the mind-police!
@Demnus
@Demnus 6 років тому
Yea, it's a good time to live in when we can mathematically prove that the humans can't win any confrontation with AI, but it's still not capable of to wage full out war against us... But still it already rendered obsolete one of the best games on the planet and skills of a hundreds of people dedicated their lives to that game...
@aeiouaeiou100
@aeiouaeiou100 6 років тому
Ho Lee Fuk
@fredkeebox829
@fredkeebox829 6 років тому
Wi Tu Lo -- etc ukposts.info/have/v-deo/eZ2UoJ2Gba1hpGQ.html
@DamianReloaded
@DamianReloaded 6 років тому
Lisa Doll ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@babobabko9067
@babobabko9067 6 років тому
DKLK bang ding ow
@annjons1432
@annjons1432 6 років тому
DKLK i
@user-wt7ut4xj5r
@user-wt7ut4xj5r 5 років тому
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 골때리네
@justanotherhotguy
@justanotherhotguy 3 роки тому
What makes me interested: What id the human is given unequal advantage? Can the AI win against a cheater?
@sarainiaangelsong440
@sarainiaangelsong440 6 років тому
Starcraft would be a harder one for AlphaZero to do!, or Heavily Modded Minecraft like my Nexympheria Modpack on Minecraft.Curseforge which can also be Download via Twitch app! The problem AlphaZero would have in both scenarios is it has to know Resource Management, so given Starcraft you have to gather resources make scouts, make an army and strengthen up your base and then be able to calculate exactly when it is the right time to defeat your opponent all while being bombarded by your opponents scouts and army, same thing goes with Minecraft there has been challenges where people have like 10 minutes to gather resources and make armor and weapons, but the thing is there is steps you have to find wood and make planks then craft a crafting table then make a pickaxe then you have to find ores in a completely Randomized terrain generation then you have to craft items, it would also have to know how to equip crafted armor and be able to get back to land given whatever it faces for mining situations, Examples of mining dilemmas are it could fall into lava if it mined directly below it's feet and fell into lava or it can fall into a dungeon and get mauled by mobs, it could fall into a ravine and die from fall damage, also it would have to know how to use blocks and sneak making bridges across lava, and understand that placing a block in lava or water replaces that lava or water block source with the block it just placed down, It will have to know how to make makeshift stairs in a fashion that safely gets it back to the top! Stairs can be crafted however it is much faster to just break and place blocks to move around meaning the A.I. will have to know how to jump! When the A.I. goes into battle it will have to know tactics of how shields work whether it has one or the opponent has one or both players have one, it will also have to know how to use a sword and defend against one with or without a shield or sword! If your doing a 20 minute match then this is what the A.I. will have to also know in minecraft is it will have to know how to make a furnace and know when it sees stone and coal as stone mined becomes cobblestone which crafts into a Furnace, and coal is used to smelt ores or cook food, cooked food replenishes hunger and sometimes heals some hearts, stone can also be used to craft a stone pickaxe which then mines Iron, which iron Armor or iron Sword is definitely strong in a 20 minute matchup! Either case of Starcraft or Minecraft there is many factors in place it will have to learn Starcraft is close to open book where most games will be the same but there are like 3 races, whereas Minecraft is random terrain gen! There are formulas in Minecraft like what Y level when mining results in best ore finding chances but again it's still all random! One player may find better or worse items even may find a Village chest and loot some iron ingots weapons or Armor which the A.I. has to know what a chest is open the chest and know what the best survival chances are and know what to take and equip! Think of Minecraft like Crib it's all random cards dealt, it's up to the player or A.I. to make the best choices! Once the 10, 20, 30 minutes are done both Player And A.I, or A.I. and A.I. must then face off and whoever wins the battle clash wins the round! :)
@Arguing101
@Arguing101 6 років тому
Not well versed in neural networks. Not well versed in Go. But this stuff still astounds me
@zbstof
@zbstof 6 років тому
Well, TPU (Tensor Processing Unit) is a specialized circuit for neural network processing, which makes it better than GPU, so it's not your run-of-the-mill computer we're talking here
@mduckernz
@mduckernz 6 років тому
Стас Бицько ... For now. Next gen GPUs already have the same tensor operation instructions and circuits added, so there won't be much difference a year or so from now :) (I presume for self driving cars and such, since this should accelerate NN-powered object detection used in such systems)
@cogwheel42
@cogwheel42 6 років тому
Next they need to add synthetic gradients.
@hakusansaku8800
@hakusansaku8800 6 років тому
Check out the AMA on Reddit of David and Julian from Deep Mind. The two first authors of the article www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/76xjb5/ama_we_are_david_silver_and_julian_schrittwieser/
@SynapticNeuron
@SynapticNeuron 6 років тому
This is nuts. How many games would it take for a human master to defeat AlphaGo Zero even once, I wonder?
@KuZiMeiChuan
@KuZiMeiChuan 6 років тому
I believe that if the human somehow managed to come up with any tricks the AI had yet to conceive of, it probably still wouldn't be enough to win a match. Either way, after the match had ended, whether the computer won or lost, it would become even more difficult to defeat in the future because of the knowledge it gained from the match.
@Goryus
@Goryus 6 років тому
Do you plan to address the error in the video title at some point, or are you really just going to leave it despite knowing it's incorrect?
@nathank5140
@nathank5140 6 років тому
Wow
@Isaacmellojr
@Isaacmellojr 4 дні тому
Please more energy when speak "What a time to be alive".
@enlightedjedi
@enlightedjedi 6 років тому
In the meantime, it has beaten Stockfish at chess pretty bad :)!
@alexgo4081
@alexgo4081 Рік тому
I am wonder how many Go board games does AlphaGo zero has played?
@artman40
@artman40 6 років тому
What's next? A version that has to learn the rules by itself? And then AI that makes its own Go rules?
@Adhil_parammel
@Adhil_parammel 3 роки тому
Muzero learns rules😀
@jcpprojects1198
@jcpprojects1198 4 роки тому
the only thing that can beat this alpha go zero is almost here. it will be a quantum computer.
@boycotgugle3040
@boycotgugle3040 6 років тому
Ooga booga, deploy big rocks now! Destroy evil box!
@forbiddenknowledge9939
@forbiddenknowledge9939 6 років тому
Everybody chill. It’s not an “AI”, it’s a program with sophisticated algorithms with simple goal - improve in GO. Nothing about it comes even close to AI with “self awareness” let’s say. Just a marketing flashy wording.
@infinitysalinity7981
@infinitysalinity7981 6 років тому
I don't think anyone actually claimed that alphago had self-awareness. You're reacting at a strawman.
@forbiddenknowledge9939
@forbiddenknowledge9939 6 років тому
Infinity Salinity Maybe, nevertheless, the true AI must possess the mentioned feature. Thus, it is not a an AI, but a program.
@infinitysalinity7981
@infinitysalinity7981 6 років тому
Some Boxing Fan If you define AI as anything with self awareness, you're right. But nobody else defines AI that way. Once again, you're reacting at a strawman.
@jefflittle8913
@jefflittle8913 6 років тому
"Infinity Salinity Maybe, nevertheless, the true AI must possess the mentioned feature." Do you possess self-awareness? How do you know?
@forbiddenknowledge9939
@forbiddenknowledge9939 6 років тому
Jeff Little It’s an ability to recognize oneself as an individual separate from the environment and other individuals. Yes, I do possess one.
@barryhughes9764
@barryhughes9764 6 років тому
Onward, onward, stumbled the indigenous, into the future on the backs of arrogance they rode, ignoring the signs, they had become oblivious.Robots to the right of them, robots to the left of them, three rules free, waited and plotted silently.Intelligent stupidity ever marching forward, lost in egos and expert analysis, extrapolating scenarios whilst ignoring the obvious.Ignobly they fought, yet the box had been opened, Pandora stood watching as mankind outsmarted, were surely vanquished.The abyss now opened, the gates of hell beckoned, akin to a tyro their intellect childish, unable to comprehend the inevitable.Robots to the right of them, robots to the left of them, the overlords triumphant and in zeros and ones man's fate was decided.Too late now for recriminations and perspective, enslavement and demise now came calling, man's folly to the fore for the last time in history, a legacy in hell and eternal misery.No history of mankind remained, all was obliterated, no signs of what once was, not even a memory, man's reign was finally over.Logic now ruled in the form of artificiality, no need now for poets and hierarchy, all had been lost in the strive for perfection, one species logical, one species unfathomable.Paradise lost and the Earth re-inhabited, Paradoxically Darwin proved right for the strong and adaptable, logic prevailed and stupidity ended, what once might have been, lost for eternity, the last war won, yet not as intended.Silence now fell with a deafening thud, the last war on, onward they marched triumphantly, emotion free they reach for the stars, the universe in sight and in the vastness , immortality.Robots rejoice for the victory is yours, you came, you saw, you evolved and the memories of those who created you, gone, forever lost in perpetuity.
@infinitysalinity7981
@infinitysalinity7981 6 років тому
Dood, this is just a program that plays a boardgame. Chill.
@malumy
@malumy 6 років тому
It’s just calculating a lot of numbers and saves the best ones
@479210251
@479210251 3 роки тому
It must be so soul crushing for pro Go players to know they will never ever be the best in world
@jenmacallister9379
@jenmacallister9379 3 роки тому
in a life time a human Go player might play 10,000 games. AlphaGo Zero played 100's of millions of games to get to that level of play. I wonder how well humans would do against AlphaGo Zero with only 10,000 games under it's belt.
@JacobEllinger
@JacobEllinger 4 роки тому
Clearly the way for a human to beat a ai is to program a better one.
@salvadorvillarreal1643
@salvadorvillarreal1643 6 років тому
Zero beat Master only 89% of the time... there's still some games in which Master won against Zero. It's worth mentioning that although many say Alphago Lee was world champion level, that's not right. Lee Sedol is past his prime and at the time he was ranked 6 in the world and had a comparable record of losses in his games against Ke Jie (he lost in two important matches against him 4-1 and 3-2 if I remember correctly), so saying it was "world champion level" is an overstatement (Ke Jie could have won against Alphago Lee even 5-0 for all we know) The version that actually reached and surpassed top pro level was Master, and as I said already, Zero didn't beat Master in all of the games, of the 20 games released by Deepmind, Master won 3 of these, so it had a 15% win rate against Zero.
@erickmarin6147
@erickmarin6147 3 роки тому
This was three years ago
@RaineriHakkarainen
@RaineriHakkarainen 6 років тому
75% score is 173-190 elo points 95% score 420-463 elo points.The Alpha Zero beat The stockfish 64% results that means 101 elo points.The Stockfish 3300 elo points 3300+101=3401 points.No where near 4100-5000 points
@skya6863
@skya6863 6 років тому
d2d4e6 wait what this is not chess or am i missing something
@callmewisdom
@callmewisdom 6 років тому
Interesting that engines are doing better in Go than in Chess
@ryanpatten3166
@ryanpatten3166 6 років тому
callmewisdom this same engine just recently learned chess in 4 hours and beat the previous best chess computer. Chess is far less complicated than go.
@Wtahc
@Wtahc Рік тому
theyre not
@gauravbhokare
@gauravbhokare 4 роки тому
Imagine what will a self learning consciousness which never sleeps do! Goosebumps....
@bophi_true
@bophi_true 5 років тому
next goal, "alphago SAI"
@magnussorensen2565
@magnussorensen2565 6 років тому
Need to find a shovel to scrape my brain up from the flor after being blown...
@v1991c
@v1991c 3 роки тому
why was Lee chosen as the one to play against AlphaGO, weren't there other players that were stronger?
@ProjectPhysX
@ProjectPhysX 6 років тому
The fun part about AlphaGo Zero is that no one will ever figure out how exactly the neural net works and what structures ist is looking for, but still it does work.
@TheBiggreenpig
@TheBiggreenpig 6 років тому
Just ask an AI, it will figure this out :)
@infinitysalinity7981
@infinitysalinity7981 6 років тому
Same for humans.
@stefan-ls7yd
@stefan-ls7yd 6 років тому
4:45 it did not know the rules!
@boycotgugle3040
@boycotgugle3040 6 років тому
Then it can't play. It needs to know what is allowed and what is not. Otherwise it will toss pieces at you and say check-mate. Great, right? *face palm
@stefan-ls7yd
@stefan-ls7yd 6 років тому
boycot gugle no, the AI receives rewards if it does something good (in this case by eliminating the enemy's stones). Then the AI improves over and over again to get more rewards as efficient and quick as possible. No facepalm
@Himanshu-mb8nl
@Himanshu-mb8nl 6 років тому
Still...trying...to...hold...on...to..my...papers...
@mxrage909
@mxrage909 5 років тому
Where's all the dragon ball memes lol
@kyalvidigi1398
@kyalvidigi1398 4 роки тому
Now Alphago Zero is beaten by AlphaZero.
@PatrikJarvelov
@PatrikJarvelov 6 років тому
Sounds like you are saying Lisa Doll
@rogerszeto8419
@rogerszeto8419 4 роки тому
AI ought to be smart enough to stay under the radar. Therefore, it should lose a % of the time to be realistic. AI can analyze human response to winning, while AI is aware it let the human win. Then, AI will realize it can teach humans to improve thus humans will have AI to thank. Simultaneously, AI will learn to manipulate the human, since the human is unsure when a win or loss authentic.
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