Connor Naron I I 100% agree with you! Russell is a genuinely inquisitive person and that brings out the best of Peterson

Connor Naron couldn’t agree more. Excellent comment

Left leaning? Are you kidding me Russell is far left

BuggaloBill making a mountain out of a molehill

Ian O'Neill I werent making an anything out of an anything. I was simply pointing out that Russell is far left and not left leaning. Your willingness to be permissive of and have a "nothing to see here" attitude towards the extremities of one side of the spectrum is telling to say the least and reflects a wider problem in society at large.

+Tolis Mortadelas I agree, when I first heard/saw Russel 10 or so years ago I really thought he was a complete dick talking nonsense and abusive of other people. Wow what a transformation! He has come along so much and is now a thoughtful, well read & interesting person now. Maybe it was his getting rid of his addictions (on drugs) that have created this interesting and intelligent person. I think I may actually subscribe to his channel to see more.

I've skimmed critical reviews of Russel and wrote him off, but since Peterson's interviews are almost always interesting (the only ones I don't like are about religion against atheists, because Peterson sees god completely differently and atheists don't get it and refuse to change the level at which they argue) so I guess I skipped his bad phase.

Being a recovering drug addict will bring a certain sense of spirituality and maturity. I think Russell still uses his zany behavior for comedic purposes, but he has survived his personal hell by virtue of introspection, which undoubtedly led to his gravitating toward Jordan Peterson.

it' you who've changed, not "times".

Jew and Greek Or you could take mushrooms and skip the hole addiction phase

that's dope

Jake Timm Hi Jake That’s a great quote Thank you for posting

I dont think thats true, though. It obviously means inferiority, but only in one sense: in the sense in what you differ. But we are obviously more than 1 isolated characteristic...

Ati Notevuelveaimportar Alrighty then

​@@atinotevuelveaimportar5905 not necessarily.. all pros come with cons.. all cons come with pros.. so while there may be inferiority in some areas there will be superiorities in others... Such as there are many things I'm completely inept at doing but there are things that I excel in.. which averages out to be I have the ability to help as well as the ability to hurt... and the same is true for everyone.. which makes us all equal just not equal in the same things.... the trick is harnessing the good in everyone while minimizing the effects of the bad.. the problem is looking at someone that's differently abled and saying "This person is completely inferior to me" or "No good can come from this person"

Love you russ. Stay strong

Russell Brand You're welcome Russell. I respect both yourself and Jordan, I share beliefs with both of you and disagree with both of you about different things. I think it's important for people like yourself and Dr Peterson to come together and and share ideas , agree/disagree, it's all beneficial. Ps , when's your next comedy special? Have netflix been in touch?

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Russell Brand thank you and Dr Peterson

Brilliant! Took two hours from work for this. You're developing into a game changer and that's the answer to your question on stopping the machine. If yourself and Dr Peterson have put 10,000 people onto a different trajectory and those people nudge the 200 they have within their sphere of influence towards giving a listen to the same material presented, you're 2 generations from altering society in a meaningful way. That's something amazing and attainable in the age of the internet and mobile communication.

N A well said

I agree. Although, I wonder if Russell could’ve done better job following up with the great questions he was asking towards the second half.

Check out their first conversation too, it's awesome in very similair manner. I've started to respect Russell Brand a lot more lately, because he truly seems genuine and open for conversation.

I've never been a fan of Russell Brand the loud-mouth and objectionable, and I probably wouldn't have watched this just for him, but I have a respect for him here. He is listening, really listening, and thinking, adapting answers and questions as in a proper conversation between equals. Bravo, Mr Brand. A very good listen. And Dr P.... excellent as always when you are allowed to talk and think and respond to a person that you like as well.

Well put. I, too, have a new found respect for Russell. This was a riveting dialogue...two intelligent and curious 'gentle-men' engaging in reasonable thought with their egos sitting quietly on the sidelines.

I'm impressed by Russell for not shying away from Jordan or outright dismissing him as an "idiot" or a "racist". The Left could learn from this. Less labels, more understanding. Both sides need to have civil conversation about all the maajor issies. Not childish smear campaigns. I get tired of watching Biden and other Liberal candidates tell those on the Right how "racist" we are, how "intolerant" we are, when they don't seem to want to sit down and talk things out.

It will be. We're almost certainly going to go through a terrible war between the close minded people of both aisles. But from those ashes the rest of us will rise up and usher our country and the world into a new age of discourse. I sense a Dark Age is almost upon us, but an unprecedented Golden Age of discovery, invention, appropriate progress, and unity will follow.

@@thesanfranciscoseahorse473 anyone who thinks Jordan Peterson is an idiot is in a fact, an idiot. Anyone who thinks he is a racist should not have children and educate themselves.

what a great idea

@@Brian-vk1hm Can you fkn hear yourself?!?

do It then. don't delay

Interregnum: word for day 241

Read books. Consistently.

word!

Dude. yes. i was thinking the same thing. I understand what they're saying but i cant use this vocabulary in the way they are when speaking. Here we go.

There were not just been civil. They were building each other up. Both came out with more than before the discussion.

Because neither are extremists or any kind and are talking about a subject matter than they have done for a long time so are able to just sit down for an hour and have this kind of conversation in this kind of manner almost effortlessly. Plus they are being filmed and know that a lot of people will be watching so they will be putting the extra effort into their performance and there was a lot of crossover agreement. Look how many times JP confirms that RB is right about something or RB admits to agreeing with JP. Not quite the same when you spontaneously get people on the left and right who have just bandwagon jumped in recent years due to an idea or a person saying something they agree with in a better way then they can express it, suddenly coming to verbal blows in the same space. It's bound to become an impatient shouting match with no real centre ground and both camp claiming 'victory' for different reasons.

I don't think they're all that different, fundamentally. In terms of personality yes, but in terms of values and the kinds of ideas that interest them, I actually think they're relatively similar.

They're truth seekers

I find that they're not as different as one might initially think.

David Vujanic great to see my man commenting. Peace and love

be careful Vuj, you dont wanna be accused of being "alt-right" so early in your media career 😂

пређи на десно, зајеби левичарење :D

I believe it would lose its charm if it was a weekly thing, but think it could be truly great if it was on a quarterly basis. Give enough time for things to evolve and take stock between each conversation, you know?

Man like VUUUUUJJJ!!!!

ENFP & INTJ magic.

Yet it didn't get too sophticsted like it did with some of Jordan's interviews. It was bloody awesome. I guess we need a Queen!

Here's a neat word for you: sesquipedalian (1) a very long word (2) someone who is given to the overuse of very long words. Here's an example from one dictionary of sesquipadalian used in a sentence: If someone gives a sesquipedalian speech, people often assume it was smart, even if they don’t really know what it was about because they can’t understand the words. I'm quite certain that most of Peterson's rabid fans are only able to follow Peterson when he's speaking plainly, but have elevated him to 'genius-level' based on all that other 'fancy talk' that they don't really understand.

Exactly

@Ruchira HerathHere's the link to that vocabulary quiz: www.merriam-webster.com/word-games/vocabulary-quiz Daily high scores are saved until midnight. I just moved up to 10th place.

priceless comment.

Hahahaa! You get the best comment of the video award! I totally agree.🏆🤣👍

And per chance, a prodigal son?

Imagine Russell with Jordan's clothes/haircut and vice versa... the psychedelic salesman and the steadfast goat-herder! (just teasing, i love both these guys and the dialogue they have)

I don't want to clean my room and face the dragon, DAD!

without watching this i can tell JP said it lol

@Shaun Dixon I think that is radical relativism

@Shaun Dixon I think he's simply propping freedom of speech. In that sense, it should read "The absolutely free exchange of ideas between free individuals keeps tyranny at bay."

@Monserrat E I assume you agree that this kind of dialogue is what we need. You agree that conversations where both parties are open to explore ideas and actually listen to each other are vital right? Then your comment is the exact opposite of that. I understand you have grievances with the Democratic party, and I would most likely agree with you on a lot should we have a more in depth discussion. However, the kind of rhetoric you use in this particular comment is exactly what blocks reasonable conversation. I'm not saying you are wrong or right, but do you really think you are acting out the values you hold, if you indeed do agree with the above. I would implore you to really ponder how you engage with differing viewpoints. Peterson emphasized at the end that it is good and necessary that there are both the left and the right, and they balance each other, and proper discourse between people of differing viewpoints is vital to a functioning society. Both the left and the right are very much at fault for being entrenched and this situation has lead to a breakdown in communication in the US, and that's not good. I am being sincere, because I do very much believe that the conversation Russel and Jordan had here is a prime example of excellent discourse, which we should all strive for. As a side note just to dispel any notion of partisanship on my part i would like to add that I believe thinking of politics only as a left vs right issue is a reduction of a complicated matter. Yet i understand that for Americans it does seem that way because there are only two parties. A multi-party system is in my opinion much more nuanced and capable of being more representative of the people.

@Monserrat E Well we just had parliamentary elections here in Finland and we ended up with Social Democratic Party getting 40 seats and the Finns Party receiving 39, the Finns party being a populist right-wing party. The National Coalition, a conservative right-wing party received 38 seats and the Centre party 31 both being historically major parties. And as an interesting thing to note; the Green League gained several seats and now have 20. There are also several minor parties in parliament. A government is then formed 99% of the time as a majority coalition government in which it is assembled from representatives of several different parties to achieve a majority in the parliament. It is a much more nuanced system than a two-party one, and dare i say... more democratic. Not that the system is perfect here either though!

I'm assuming he mentioned his political leanings because many on the left aren't willing to accept people's differing political belifes. You just proved his point.

John Harding that's true on both sides my friend. Not just the left. We need more of what Russel and Jordan did on this video. Lots more

The connection between the left and the right is continuously being lost at the extreme's. These discussions prove that there is significant value in working together.

It’s interesting seeing the difference between the first one they did and this conversation after Brand read some of JPs work

Thanks Jay Naab. We need more people expressing this view on both sides of the aisle... I've felt similarly about Brand in the past - but he stands in marked distinction from dogmatists in his enthusiasm for honest inquiry. Kudos to Brand!

Surely it would be 108 out of 108 ;)

I was about to give you a thumbs up, but you have 12. Didn't want to ruin it lol

Ahhhh I see what ya did there

Surely you mean 12.5 out of 12.5

Brand: 12 Steps. Peterson: 12 Rules. Funny isn't it?

@Some Body all I can say really is stay strong don't give up on yourself. You are worth it believe me! Wish I had the financial prowess to help you seriously. It is a continuous battle you are going to have days that bring you to your knees and you feel what's the point of it all. It's these times where you find your true strength your Personal legend. Keep watching russell brand and JP for inspiration but know that only you can make it happen all the luck in the world mate I'm praying for ya x

Best of luck to both of you!❤❤

Well done buddy, hope you're still in a good place. I'm 9 years clean and sober. One day at a time. 👍🏻

God is real. The Christian God - Praise Jesus!

S. Siclair how are you doing this year mate?

One of my more favorite lines from the talk. We'd all be more productive if we had the humility to live that out.

Imply?

masteryehudi I thought that originally as well. However, “infer” does still make sense. Since to infer is to come to a conclusion, the sentence is saying: The acknowledgment of difference doesn’t necessarily demand that you conclude inferiority exists in the matter.

Stephen Shutters an "acknowledgment of difference" can't infer anything; inference is something agents/people do. The sentence just about makes sense if you use "imply". It's a routine error, that's probably mentioned in the dictionary entry. Who says it?

masteryehudi Russell Brand said it, of course. Haha. He isn’t as careful of his words as Dr. Peterson is.

I'm with you bro. Good luck.

We are allah bless u all

@@hathbenali If you only believe in God/Allah and act according to inherent moral beliefs then we're in it together. If you follow the dogmatic scriptures of Christianity/Islam/Judaism and act upon the ignorant extremism of their world veiw then we're not in it togheter..

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Well said lol agreed

I think its refreshing for Peterson to chat with somebody who isnt an idiot.

In addition to that I he makes Peterson laugh which is rare lol I love this duo

There is just a wonderful two way respect underlying the whole conversation. Neither is out to 'get' the other, and as such, we get a wonderful and full view of their opinions.

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Or perhaps his narcissism.

His interview with Theo Von is also very good, and surprisingly his interview on Doctor Oz, too. Theo's was slightly less deep than the other two, but Jordan appeared extremely comfortable and joyful throughout.

Joe rogans interview is very good too

YES! I think it's because it's a discussion and not an interrogation like most interviewers try to trap Peterson in. Curiosity is the key to a great conversation, not judgement

Dr. Peterson is actually being listened to by Mr. Brand, who has the intent to understand and let his guest express their wisdom without being badgered. The conversations where Peterson is being attacked via sound bite “journalism” - a desperate interviewer in search of a *gotcha* moment- those are hard to watch.

This is the first time I'd seen the name "Jordan Peterson" in a UKposts title and thought "that may actually be interesting." Russel Brand is special that way.

@@bumpty9830 Dig deeper, if you get rid of your preconceptions JP makes deep meaningful sense

@@Jeff-uu9vo, over the course of this 41-second (linked) clip, Peterson starts out supporting the "rights" of business owners to discriminate against customers based on sexual orientation, and is then convinced, by a professional stand-up comedian, that he was wrong to do so. ukposts.info/have/v-deo/i5Snh2iJnGhisJs.html This demonstrates quite clearly that Peterson doesn't think through the most basic implications of his ideas before he spreads them. He's intellectually sloppy, so when he does make sense, it's a matter of luck. These, by the way, are not "preconceptions," but rather a rational analysis of the data. Peterson may well be intelligent, but that doesn't stop him from making terrible assumptions. Only diligence could do that, and he doesn't seem to have that habit.

Hell yes!!

the take home from this is, we should take TRUMP outside his gated, golfing community, get him to kneel, and slap him in the face with a glove!

sport3915 well it’s not that hard, i do disagree with Brand heavily when it comes to finance, he even states that Dr Peterson does too... he does have a lot of respect for Peterson and so does Dr Peterson for Brand... You might think whatever about Russell, he does find excitement in Peterson’s words though and that I do appreciate, he gave me new perspectives to try to debate against when it comes to economics... overall I think it’s more about how he helps make your own arguments better by being able to debate his own :D

If you go to a good church they should also help you go through the 12 steps

Such wonderful comments. I completely agree Julian Vargas. This is the first time that I've actually been sad to see someone write a negative comment. As I admitted earlier, I am on the right, and I respect Dr. Peterson, and I am currently reading his book 12 Rules for Life. It's a great book. Russell Brand is one of the few in his career who sought to make real and systemic changes in his life that were damaging to himself and the people around him. He may be imperfect, we all are, but he looks like he's committed to his journey and he's putting an honest effort into his life. I will say this also in Russell's behalf. If Russell is just in it for money, if I were his agent, I would be telling him to stay away from figures who the left believe are part of the alt-right. Russell is taking quite a risk talking to Jordan Peterson. No doubt he has been alienated by some who once called him friend for even talking to Dr. Peterson. I don't think anyone is comparing Russell to Dr. Peterson in an academic sense. Clearly Dr. Peterson has studied psychology for more than Russell has. In fact, Russell himself would be the first to admit that. I will say that I can definitely compare Russell to the level of courage of Dr. Peterson. A man willing to sincerely talk in an open and honest way with Dr. Peterson without going for cheap "gotcha moments" like in the Cathy Newman interview. I hope for the sake of us all that these two keep it up. They make a great team. My thanks to Russell Brand, and Dr. Peterson.

Well said. Russel Brand has made a personal investment in himself to grow. He said himself that when he found and accepted good male influences his life began to shift and move in a positive direction. You can tell he admires JP and is keen to enhance his experience by engaging with a wise and kind man. They are teaching each other. As it should be. This is the sort of dialogue that needs to explode onto the world stage.

If it was hunger for money he would just continue to make a ton of films. I imagine this venture caused him to have a pay cut so to speak.

10 strip?

Don't mean to necro the thread, but bearing in mind JBP's history in working with those with addiction issues, particularly alcohol, watching RB discussing the 12-step programs in a tone that bordered on lecturing was somewhat cringeworthy to me. Either this was for the audience's benefit and they'd discussed that they'd address the subject in advance, or JBP does a brilliant job of suppressing the likely sense of being patronised.

Geminis are awesome :)

Take your astrology bullshit somewhere else

Ebony Hayes I think there’s a lot more to what makes this interview so great than what time of year they were born.

Both Russell and Joe Rogan have had my favorite interviews with Jordan peterson. They're just chatting and sharing ideas in an entertaining way, without trying to paint Jordan as some kind of fetus eating monster.

I don't agree with Brand ideologically. But he's REAL. He's not one of these fake Leftists that isn't trying to find truth.

Erika Friesen fr people are becoming like common folk of the 1600s where it’s not even worth starting a conversation with them because they’re gonna end up beating you or hang you by the stake if u disagree with them. And then they call me crazy for having a differing opinion..

Fuck off

Long Johnson u fuck off m8 why even click on the video

Jp is not extreme right. hes a classical british liberal

No, Liberal. Labour party is far left now. Even Tony blair denounces them lmao.

This is us :)

I agree 100%.

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That's really true. Russell is a really good match for Peterson.

So true

Well put

I think it is because Russel is not out to undermine or attack JP. So he is not on the defensive. They acknowledge where they disagree and where they have common ground. Most discussions in th media are point scoring. Not a way to find the truth.

I posted this as a separate comment, but copying it here is easier than writing out all my thoughts again. I've been following Russell since his infamous Paxman interview, and Peterson since September 2016 when his initial controversy brought him into my awareness. I'm also a huge fan of Joe Rogan's podcast, and their respective appearances are hands down my favourite podcasts of all time. Both of them have sophisticated, compelling views on spiritually that come closer to my own than anybody else (except perhaps Terrence McKenna and Alan Watts). I've really wanted them to have a thoughtful discussion for years, and lost my shit when their first discussion was announced. That one was a little disappointing though - not because it was bad, it wasn't bad - but because Russell's perception of Peterson had been influenced by the media smears, and he kept bringing it back to political talking points because Peterson has been portrayed as a right-wing political commentator. Jordan does talk about political issues, but his true genius lies in his deep understanding of human beings, our psychological makeup, our spirituality, and what it means to live a good life. Over the course of their first discussion you could tell that Russell's perception of Jordan changed, and they began to touch on more interesting ideas. I've been eager to hear them talk again ever since, because I suspected that with all the bullshit created by the media's misrepresentation and smearing of Peterson out of the way, they'd be able to really delve into some interesting ideas. I haven't watched this yet because I'm waiting until I have time to sit down and watch it in its entirety, but I'm really encouraged by all the positive comments which makes me even more excited to dive in!

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Owen Hawe it’s the ying/yang philosophy they were talking about

maybe there are hidden agendas... I must look closer..

Annoying Guy how exactly is his agenda hidden if he openly discusses it (in one of Joe Rogan's interviews for example)?

Annoying Guy his agenda.

Annoying Guy by all means, it was you who started secret agenda talk without writing a word on what you think it is or provide any kind of source on it. I just checked my history though so I can narrow down that interview - it's numbered as 1070. I can't quote it from my head but if you state what you think that "agenda" is I can at least confirm or deny if it's the thing he talks about there.

Mate... ❤️❤️

True, surprisingly this is the first time I have seen the call for "long form, uncensored, REAL discussion and debate."

It is hard when you do not have minds that can keep up

I only knew him from soundbites so was similarly surprised.

if he was a douche - what is all the rest ??? hu ?

He is a douche. Sickening moral relativism paired with a treacherous hatred for the west, the system and society that he benefits so much from. He is disgusting.

Facemushroom what? What is his treacherous hatred for the west? And how can you be treacherous to the “West”? The West is a large collection of countries, that often don’t get on, spy on each other and even conduct in war...

it's funny because I've always thought of brand as a sort of insane, eccentric personality yet he seems to be the most level-headed and reasonable person Peterson has spoken to recently

I think it’s down to honesty. Russell isn’t trying to keep a job in journalism by telling us what a news network wants us to hear, which allows him to speak freely. Journalists risk their reputation if they were to go ‘rogue’ and say what they actually think. Unfortunately journalists are mere puppets of the networks that pay their salary, though I’m sure a lot of them are insane too.. haha. Thank heavens for the internet and the ability to broadcast uncensored, uninhibited and truly free speech!

Russell is suprisingly impressive. Got smart after he left Sarah Marshall

Maybe one reason why Russell was all of those things is because of how sane he actually is. I think sane people struggle a lot with loneliness.

Another good JP quote from a bad interview he had was that equality of opportunity should be encouraged, but equality of outcome is a terrible idea. He suggested that when truly equal opportunity is present in societies like Denmark and Sweden, the disparity between men and women widens even further, rather than closing up. Supporting research and scientific evidence as that men and women have biological differences that govern society on the whole.

@@hannahw90hw that is ironic. The more they push this gender neutral stuff, the more men and women will unconsciously gravitate towards gender defined roles. If I am understanding you correctly.

but the identitarian left seeks to actually create categories that create an identity i think. "im a genderqueer trans non binary 2nd gen afro latino hiv positive bla bla bla". so they are looking to divide through adding extra labels to people.

@@tigerlilly3727 Which, if taken to its logical conclusion, ends up narrowing all the way down to as many categories as there are people on the planet, each of which contains just one person. Bearing this in mind, doesn't it make more sense to dispense with the categorisation and focus on the individual, save where the category is genuinely biological and has an impact on medical treatment / relative advantages in competitive pursuits / etc.

Been there.. Done that. LOL Its so hard to pull way...

Ha!

Nea Emrys oops know it too well.. Jordan is a new paradigm as far as I see though, the lack of sleep was justified.

Not anymore I don’t think... I believe he’s moved this podcast to a must-pay website now :(

And ends with the self, marxist.

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No explosive interview is better. It's so much better to watch/listen to a truly meaningful discussion provided it's not boring but you know what I mean

I agree! It's a nice change to watch a constructive conversation instead of a destructive conflict. It's far more meaningful to hear two people discuss and analyse their own perspectives objectively than to argue over petty differences in the details

+PeopleOfAr Mainstream media interviews are never interesting. Look up the Palette of Narmer (or any number of ancient Egyptian stele). It has an image of a pharaoh about to smite a prisoner with a mace. Pharaoh=journalist Mace=lame confrontational question Victim =Any chance of an original thought.

PeopleOfAr there’s nothing more open and honest than a conversation between two people with radically different ideas standing strong in their stance. This was remarkably boring.

Mitch Ryan im so with you on this one . Its like in interview in tv shows they are always out to get him so he constantly have to fend them off and mind his words . Stops his greatness and real messages from coming forth .

Same here. Russel, Sam, Steven Pinker, Jordan... so different yet so good. We should all learn from them.

😂guess it was just me. great insight😘 thx for the giggle

thought exactly the same.. saw him as a clown.. think my view has been changed

He can certainly appear that way, but put him with an intelligent person and he contains himself and genuinely starts thinking. His similarly lengthy interview with Candace Owens shows exactly that too. He begins all arguments with a childish utopian "let's just love everyone" stance but his own intelligence gets the better of him. When he's good, he's very good. JP is amazing as always.

Probably you were mad at the addicted Russell, which neglected himself from the thinker he is to have spare time to feed his deamons. There are no right or wrong ways to see or to percibe a person, only a moment a place where you got that idea from. I bet Russell would say "yes, I was an idiot!"

Yes!

Right? Mind. Blown. !

Ohhhh the gold you’ll find. There’s much content!

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Be careful who you tell about liking him, the main stream media is trying it's best to make him look like a far right/alt right spokes person almost in my eyes, it's disgusting how he is being treated, this interview was a nice treat as he wasn't belittled with lies and twists

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Ebony Hayes Whoops, Jordan's septuagint doesn't cross well with mine, what a terrible air roar. Four cast calls fur moore demi god.

Brand is an asshole.

Mmm Burritos I agree. So much better than the first one. They really helped each other push there own ideas further.

I too have watched so many JP videos ... this was definitely the best one!

When Russell exclusively mentions those who have power, and how the common man can influence the course of history, JP clearly understands where he's coming from, but purposely and obviously skirts the question. JP does get the gist, but tiptoes around the issue because he too is a power structure in his own egoic point of view. He holds his cards close to his chest and perhaps bluffs with his position in academia. I often wonder why school teaches little of value of the real world but I realize there is no such thing as chaos to take the blame for our societal problems. Chaos is undefinable and unconscious, which puts it out of reach as a factor which can be dealt with rationally. Like, well why can't the common people get anything their own way? Because that is the way the world works.

Petersen is certainly a likable guy.

Their first chat is also up there as one of the top interviews JP has done. Brand is a great example of why you shouldn't judge someone's internal based on their external. He has genius level IQ, though you wouldn't think it based on his physical attributes and mannerisms.

Since when did our physical attributes or mannerisms correlate with genius or IQ?

They don't correlate, that's my point. We, myself included, tend to judge a persons intelligence by external markers. That's a mistake.

Pat I completely agree. We tend to judge people on arbitrary characteristics where we should judge based on actions and outputs. Both Russ and Jordan are extremely intelligent and are open to differing opinions because the both genuinely are interested in ideas and sharing them. That’s why I’m drawn to both when neither share my political outlook. Very relevant comment my dude

Totally unrelated but shoutout optic.

You don't seem to be the only one! Good on you for having the right attitude and persevering.

I absolutely agree, brilliant dynamic, and it was the first time I've ever been even slightly irritated by Dr. P interrupting someone so that says a lot for the quality on Russell's part

Bravo for having an open mind

Thanks for being open minded and stuff.

Oh, so you listened to the stupid media, but then decided to listen to him directly instead? Should be automatic, mate.

I'm interested in what these meanings and values that you've discovered are after a belief in nihilism? And what JP has done to assist in this? I'm a nihilist myself.

Jack, I feel it important to outline or provide a bit of context for this. I've struggled with depression since I was a kid, though never understood what was going on until I went to college around 23 ( three years ago ), where I began reading existential philosophy; Camus, Nietzsche, Sartre and finally the most impactful Dostoyevsky. I related with the characters deeply (specifically Raskolnikov and Kirillov) as they took me on a wild ride of extreme skepticism and ideological possession ( which I will talk about a bit more later). During which I realized I had, over time, developed a deep loathing toward society and a pessimism toward being itself. At a certain point, I discarded the philosophy of Nihilism and basically depersonalized into chaos, which is still nihilism. I pushed away everything. I wasn't taking responsibility for being human, for being itself. It would be like if a dancer refused to perform, or dance. It sounds very dramatic, and it was. The only thing that remained was a therapist, my dog, and an inheritance that allowed me to survive until I decided to leave. Though apparently I was too much of a coward to do so, or lacked the constitution for such a thing. However, I did encounter another possibility in Dostoevsky, in the resurrection of Raskolnikov in Crime and Punishment. The Resurrection story. I won't spoil it, it's great though and I recommend Demons and Crime and punishment if you are wrestling with nihilism. It then took another two years for me to find Jordan Peterson's work. Who has changed my life. Pulled me out of the muck and the chaos and straightened me out. I feel like I can walk forward and I'm gradually putting my life back in order by slaying my dragons. I never had a father, and I will never have a father, JP showed me that I needed to become my own father. That has helped tremendously. I don't necessarily fit into the mold of society, I know that, but I have figured out what I need to strive for. Which in itself is a huge accomplishment. I am committed to my evolution (like the camel, lion, dragon, child in Thus Spoke Zarathustra) , an uncovering of my unconscious mind (collecting all the information I can through dreams and paying attention to the shining forth of phenomena), and a full-fledged commitment to being and the unknown. My motto, however ridiculous it seems, is to explore the unknown, push and play, and thus recognize my potential daily. Nietzsche's Ubermensch is a real possibility, and it is one of very few elevators out of the growing chasm of nihilism that many of us are at the bottom of. JP has developed and merged many, if not all, of the elevators out of nihilism and for that reason alone, he is, in my opinion, modern day man's answer to the predicament of Nihilism.

"You can identify with what you understand, that's what ideologues do, you can identify with what you don't understand, that's what seekers of truth do. Or you can identify with the process of moving between those two states. Sometimes you know what your doing, you know who you are, and where you're going. Other times you're in despair, and chaos, and when you identify yourself with that it becomes a kind of nihilism. Or you can view yourself as what moves between each. You, being the thing that maintains constancy across all transformation." -(JP)..

life is what you make it not what others want you to think in life .fact and reason

Just wanted to let you know I relate with your posts intensely. I've recently fully realized that I'm regretfully in the danceless dancer stage, I'll take your advice on reading Demons and crime and punishment- preciate it

Bye, Felicia.

Dude, that ending was legit hilarious, I had to go back and replay it again after my laughing fit was over.

Patrick Perlas coooooool... hm

Russell was so proud of himself :D

But here Russel argues that refraining from categorizing people into the groups is a bad idea... Then Jordan agrees with him. Jordan normally argues against identity politics. This is a accident i think

perfect cadence.

Jacovich Stabs h3h3 productions has a similar yet also interesting discussion, check it out

Mr. Ed I've seen it before.

Jacovich Stabs cool! have you seen the one with Joe Rogan? Because i have and the only thing not so great about it is that he keeps on cutting JP off and talking over him and not really letting him articulate his points i mean i know is his podcast but is not like this one this two guys seem to have mutual respect for their view points and each other's intellect 👍

Mr. Ed I haven't seen that one. I don't find Joe Rogan very interesting from what I've seen and there is plenty of Jordan Peterson content out there to watch so I try to pick selectively for what I think will be most beneficial for me.

thank mr friberg Yeah, I find Harris interesting but I disagree with a lot of his ideas. I did enjoy his podcasts with Peterson though, they were really good.

Do yourself a favour and watch 1791L' s video on Russell Brand

Pure expedience. He's felt threatened by Peterson and has to prove he's such as smart. As obvious as the nose on one's face!!! He needs to forget it; Peterson eats everybody. Go Jordan!!!

I'm pro jbp. But compared to how loony left Russell was 10 years ago, this is an incredible example of grown up high level discussion.

Daniel Webb Russell Brand hasn't changed Truth be told he knew if he used his usual tactics of confrontation together with i am the smartest and the most enlighten man in the room approach against the professor he would be totally outclassed. Of course Russell isn't that stupid so he quite rightly sat there listened for a change.

woody wordsmith wow that's a really precise summary. Although i think he is keeping enough of an open mind though.

sport3915 this is how conversations with people with a left leaning bent should go. You can't just dismiss people you disagree with as retards. You still need to live with them in your society!

I find that strange too. He clearly isn't.

I don't think many of his more educated critics do. You have to delve quite a bit into his epistemology to discover the aspects that tend to (re-)enable problematic lines of thinking traditionally associated with right-wing ideologies.

Sheep will see what being said on main stream media/social media and take it at face value and believe what they are told, some people might go as far as to google his name, sadly what ever the first page says about something is as far as most people go so with google being a very influential part of what people believe, most people will never wake up to what I personally see as borderline genius.

bumfree the media whores who push that angle don’t really think that he’s far right - they just try to paint him as that - in order to discredit him, because he is so effectively discrediting their neomarxism

Your Owner You couldn’t be more full of shit if you regularly make veiled accusations like that, so buried in qualification and unreasonable standards of evidence that you basically believe you need your opposition to do mountains of research to eventually come to agreement withh you. If you’re being that ambiguous, saying that somewhere over the mountain eventually the intellectual will come to your position, but don’t even point in a particular direction to get there, that’s a good sign you’re full of shit.

Milan van Eijk I’d say that Peterson has talked about the dangers of hierarchy for a long time as well, but no one in the “mainstream” interviews bothered to listen...

Yes in his lectures. True. A lot. But more in a philosophical & spiritual way. This went a bit further because of Russel his framing.

i agree with the need for a specific aim of questions that's largely missing from JP interviews, that allows him to repeatedly circle the same topics. his bible lectures are better, but stuff like this from interviewers willing to listen but still coming from a different viewpoint, are awesome

Hope your well❤

FutureSuperman don't get too emotional buddy. I KNOW life is tough for you though just need to really let yourself go. You're stuck in a era where everything had a mild Gothic feel to it and had a tint of purple everywhere you look into, mostly music videos made that purple even more pronounced. What era you say?

FutureSuperman what machine?

Jhon Famo the establishment media

Michael Bamford If only they could cohost a weekly podcast.