She's a real trooper. I also love the real "teaching" conversation going on. Really helps bring this stuff down to earth to regular folks.

Lol….she really does put up with a lot of antics….my wife would have been like…”interesting experiment, let me know how it works out and can you stop and pick up some casamigos on your way home?”

She’s the best ❤

I don't know a lot of women that would do that, hopefully you took her out for breakfast :-)

stfu. people work in the cold all the time. 5 minutes of recording shouldn’t necessitate a round of applause.

It’s so funny especially with everything he says in the first 3 mins about not charging in the cold being nonsense

What is new? Sorry I’m from Denmark

what news is that?

@@smacktard6051 If you do additional research the reason was that there was a power outage for one thing. Gas stations in the area didn't work either because the pumps are electric. Also a number of people didn't prepare the car for high speed charging by pushing the button on the screen. That made the cars slow charge, which then makes the next guy have to wait and so on. People in other areas with cooler temps aren't having these problems.

​@@oddjobsandrandomprojects also don't forget - they let their teslas run on next to no battery power too. That's like me complaining about how shit my Buick Regal Grand Sport is, because I ran it to mere fumes and moaned that it wouldn't start in the cold.

“Nobody does this better than Tesla” sure, but it is still really bad..

Yeah. This is definitely serving the metal idol instead of the car serving you. Sitting in a freezing car, with just seat warners, spending an hour of warming batteries with "waste heat" before even pushing a charge.....running back to another car with the cabin heater on to survive the night....running down the charge on the other vehicle. What a Doc Brown nerd fest. We saw Tuesday that the cars went down to zero, just parked overnight.

he intentionally did not turn on the cabin heater for the test. you could just sit in the car normally. and normally it would precondition. and also gas cars in freezing weather need to use engine block heaters and stuff.

His closing comments didn't age well. An extreme case but it would never happen in the real world.... Chicago Chicago that toddling Town. Any severe cold situation involves vehicles left alone and untethered to freeze up. His method on trips, also discussed, running down in his skivvys to plug in his car at the hotel charger to prewarm it....that doesn't work when the hotel is full and there are two chargers.

Or you have to dig the car out...or wait a week for a plow

Opportunity cost in charging an EV, that is always the thing that gets me. I have a truck with a 33 gallon tank. Average fill time from just before the warning light comes on is under 3 minutes unless I'm at a REALLY slow pump in which case it's closer to 10 minutes. That hasn't happened in many years though. I fuel up. I walk in to the convenience store. Grab a snack. Walk out. I've spent less than 15 minutes, usually under 10, at the gas station and I've got a full tank and a happy attitude because of the snack. Im on the road and off to making some money and on with my life! Come on. I must say, electric vehicles, the technology: so cool! I love seeing crazy new things, but EVs as a direct replacement for gas/diesel vehicles is a hard no still. They have their use cases, but they are not for everyone.

In the 50s you had to drain your cooling system in the cold or your engine block would crack.

you called charging a car while watiing 45 plus minutes convenient? It doesn't matter how cold it is. It could be a regular summer and you still have to plan your days around your EV

@@johnphelps2941 No, you didn't. You just had to keep the right antifreeze in it, or plug it in. Lots easier than this bullshit.

@@johnphelps2941 did your ever hear of antifreeze?

@@LuisDonadoI literally wake up and my car is charged. Every single morning. Seems pretty convenient to me. I don’t know why you ev bashers believe that stupid line about “planning your day” around your ev. I literally never have to stop at a gas station unless I drove over 300 miles.

That's like while filling you tank with gas every 5 seconds you pull out and spray a seconds worth onto the ground? What a waste of ''Paid'' energy

@@yabbadabbadoo8225 it’s not wasted.. it’s used for a heater which needs to be anyway. It’s like saying your starter motor is a waste of energy

@@SurtistuffOf course it is wasted energy. And when you compare with the starter motor, you should now that if we have a pretty beefy starter motor that is 2 kW. Then you use around 1 Wh to start the car....

@@Surtistuff Why can't they build a battery that's devoid of this process? It still seems a massive waste of power? 5kw for 45 minutes just to ''Heat'' the energy cell so that it can ''Hold'' a charge?? Times this by 1 billion some day and thats1000's of power plants just keeping batteries ''Warm''?? Combustion provides this energy for ''Free'' in gasolene motors.

@@yabbadabbadoo8225 Try starting your deep frozen combustion car, it probably won't even straight up start. Then in cold countries you start and idle the car to warm it up, and in that process you wasted a lot more energy than 13500kJ. In fact every gallon of gas you burn later down the line while driving produces at least 59400kJ of waste heat assuming you have a 50% efficient engine. I doubt your engine does anything close to that

Tell your wife to blow on the han dle with the kids screaming in the car!

I've also had one or two experiences when snow got blown into the connector and then froze, so I had to remove the ice before the connector could be plugged into the car.

Or buy a real car

No way this is the best toy ever!

I remember the time when my history teacher told me about the good old times, where everyone had a coal or wood stove. It was so nice outside that you couldnt even breath normal and everything was dark from the soot (i hope you get the irony). Your real cars are the coal and wood stove from that time. Its time to move on to cleaner cars too. Sure they are still not perfect but give them time and you will see they are the better solution in the future and even now. Maybe in some years even you will then realise how short sighted your thinking was back then.

Me too

Did you not watch or listen? The Tesla will condition the battery and charge normally, you'd have to deliberately not do this to have a problem...

@@bellshooter I live about 20 minutes from a charger. I have forgotten to plug my car in overnight, navigated to a charger so it was preconditioning the whole way, and it still didn't charge at full speed and told me my battery was too cold. I'm guessing if you live in the city and drive one block to a charger your battery is not going to be very warm when you arrive at the charging location. So no, it's not quite that simple.

Just you wait till April comes around , mate...

Summertime

@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 might get as cold as 3 degrees centigrade overnight for a couple of days in Auckland…

@@Telcontarnz Lucky you then.

Ditto from 37c Melbourne

I appreciate all your effort. The lessons of cold weather charging are very clear. If you want to travel any great distance to Grandma's this Christmas, take an ICE car.

@@byrnc927 Hmmmm..... He wasn't travelling anywhere. It was called an experiment. Like you. You're clearly the result of an experiment. A FAILED experiment...

@@byrnc927 a real car

EVs junk

@@marklassanske2716 Look! Look! A real M0re. 0n!....

Except it does. Currently we're in negative temps once again, and almost every day over the past 2 weeks we've seen negative temps. Same goes for last year as we had a 2 week stretch of nothing but negative temps.

It happened to hundreds of people in Chicago , it won’t happen in the real world ( my a$$ ) !……

People are dumb, they don't know how to condition the battery.

@@leerman22What type of battery, and how to you condition it?

@@MassBoost It's a battery heater, you press a button, that way you don't have frozen electrolyte capping the power draw or charge. You do use some energy in the battery to heat itself like a couple space heaters of power draw worth.

That was for 56% charge btw

Heat is a byproduct of most electric generation. Park near an electric plant.

I just get gas, takes me 5 minutes MAX if that, and i’m gone. over 500 miles.

@@johnnylego807 this is about doing it in -20° F. At that temperature, your vehicle is not going to even start in the first place unlike a Tesla and you're probably going to have to get an engine block heater as well as an oil heater and something to jump the vehicle and a battery blanket as well. Your rubber tiles will be dented in the area that touches the ground so you'll be going to get very low speeds until they warm up anyways but the beauty of hybrids and electrics is even in this crap of the weather they'll start and move

thanks for the tip!

@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br Lol yea ok, here in Canada I've parked my vehicles overnight at below -30C without a block heater and was still able to start them no problem. If you have an old shitty battery obviously it'll have problems starting, I guarantee an older battery in a Tesla is going to give some problems in the cold as well. I'd rather not screw around having to wait for the battery to warm up or charge the damn thing while i'm getting frostbite, and this is after messing with that charger that looks like a pain in the ass to deal with in freezing weather.

What temperature? Below -30 (-22F) I would strongly recommend block heating ahead of a trip. Edit: IMO the 18650 cells were a patent work-around. Panasonic, Toyota's battery supplier for the RAV4 EV, was sued for patent infringement by Chevron a few years prior to the Roadster being developed. Battery suppliers can't get sued for supplying "commodity" cells for EVs. The Nissan Leaf, built a few years after that, used much larger pouch cells.

​@oscarpaisi4037 Wouldn't want to forget a bunch of bull 💩 you just made up.

​@oscarpaisi4037 huh?? Lfp battery Tesla says charge to 100%. Yes, below 20% and it won't precondition battery for SC but it will charge fine. You probably own a 2005 Civic.

We actually had #2 gelling in the pump hose at -40 one day (it was even winter blend) the gas station owner blended it some more LoL

@@SegoMan that is frigid!

@@TurboWorld Nation record was set about 50 mile from here one winter day at -60 no wind that day either.. The cold temps keeps the rif-raf away LoL

@@SegoMan lol no doubt!

Keep a bag of marshmallows and 8-pack of weenies in trunk, incase you come upon a burning EV. Then it's roasting time.

Which car has best battery thermal management? Also, do you have any influence to improve public CCS charging?

Ccs is trash

Thanks for your hard work on EVs.

Replying to Barry, ALL OF THE CCS CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE DECISIONS ARE BASED ON THE THERMAL TESTING LAB TECHNICIANS OPINION.

@@eletrohitsbr I have not had a CCS charging problem for over 7 years.

Extreme heat reduces the long-term battery life, so not too sure about having one in the South either (batteries don't like being above 85f).

Ev still seems to be best in tandem with ICE. I want an EV for when I can do city driving and maybe some road trips in the summer but for everything else I would still use ICE

@@jch010 ok

I hope you make the tesla owners sit next to the generator exhaust the entier time they charge. You should rig up some seats that if their ass leaves, their car stops charging. they should have to huff that beautiful exhaust gas the entire time they charge so they KNOW where this comes from. What facility do you run? Gas station? Hotel?

Yikes, why do they have to be powered by a generator?

@@Pythonzzz there wasn’t a way to have a grid connection fast enough

Generator? Are you sure?

That sucks!!!

How did you accomplish that? (Engineer nerds want to know!!)

Or not lol

How to get park temperature in tesla?

@@avvarutheja ukposts.info/have/v-deo/r3-pi2-opKhnjoU.html

@2QRh6g1I thanks, I wish tesla could provide this info directly from their interface, but that video is great to get lot of information from car.

I saw that they lost 5% leaving to go home.

tell yourself whatever you need to in order to cope with a changing world

Nah just don't buy Tesla. They're California cars that are kinda notorious for being poorly engineered for severe cold (how many times have their heat pumps been recalled in Canada?). Heat pumps win over resistive heat in mild cold, but in a scenario like this, Tesla's thermal management is piss poor. How the hell is the motor that toasty warm but the battery too cold to take a charge, other than poor design? As much as people malign the Chevy Bolt for slow charging, it has a dedicated 2 kW resistive heater for JUST the battery and I've NEVER seen a Bolt battery take as long as this car did to warm up.

Many GPS generated routes are incorrect, causing excessive fuel, or power usage. People just have to drop the DUMB PHONE, which perform many tasks, but none well.

How much does it cost you to put 500 miles of gas in your truck? I drive an electric car for work, I personally think they’re much nicer to drive and considering our routes are around 100 miles a day - it’s a ton of money saving - I think. But as you’ve pointed out, the infrastructure is not there yet for long distance.

That wasn't true when the infrastructure was just getting started for gas automobiles. You are very much tied to that. I drive rural routes in North Dakota and have to check my tank carefully to make sure I've got the range I need, because I can drive a long time without gas stations. It is certainly worse for EVs right now, but it takes time to grow the infrastructure just like it did with gasoline.

Left wing folks like to let someone else to control them

@@keithstack6321 a hell of a lot less than pulling into a service station. And a hell of a lot less time.

18 Accord Twice a Month (aprox 30mile round trip to work and back )

Not as easy as you might think. If you fill up once a week, and it only takes 5 minutes to do so, that means you will have spent 216 hours of your life pumping gas by the time you are 68. That's assuming you started driving at 18. Doesn't sound that great when I think about it. And this is coming from a fellow Civic owner.

"Extreme cold" in Chicago be like ~0°C, while in Russia the pretty average temp during winter is -17..-28°C And there is no big problems about "dead robots", lol, even on -40°C cities.

@@BANDERAZZ07RUSKeep telling yourself that. We're experiencing the same issues in Iowa as they are in Chicago.

have you looked at chicago weather before commenting ? its -25c right now @@BANDERAZZ07RUS

The media is playing it's usual games, bad mouthing Tesla while cheering for green. For whatever reason Tesla isn't left enough for them. Go Elon😊

No problems. Precondition first. 😂

Just a few more days and part 1 will be up on Out of Spec Motoring

Awesome! Can’t wait.

My early M3 LR RWD has this software feature to not latch the cable when below freezing. However it is for L1/L2 charging only. Supercharging would not be safe without the cable latch.

@@georgepelton5645 Thanks for clarifying/confirming!!

All of that vs stopping at the pump...... Convince me it's worth it. I'll take my 6.2L Denali any day.

@@fyrefitrt2 bigger the car, the smaller the penis

@@fyrefitrt2 I'm sure with your Denali when it's been sitting cold in -14 for two days straight you just crank it up and floor it without any warmup. Good way to damage your engine. Not to mention when you start getting down to -15 to -20 F you almost need a block heater for an ICE. An EV doesn't because it uses a minimal amount of power in the battery to keep it safe. The colder it gets the more energy it will use. With an ICE the colder it gets then you better have a block heater. With a Tesla you simply set a timer from your phone or the car to begin a battery preheat at a certain time in the morning. You can do it 1 hour before you leave the house or whatever. Just like warming up your car. It would melt the snow and ice off the windshield for you and the battery will be conditioned when you come out and jump in. This video is only a sensational example of what would happen if you didn't preheat the battery to show how long you would need to wait. If you are driving your Tesla in -14 then the battery will be warmed up and you won't have to wait when you stop to charge. Only when it's been sitting for days cold soaking. No different than an ICE engine like yours.

Nah, most people will be smart enough to use the Pre-conditioning features. All it takes is 40 Uber drivers who have no clue how to drive the car to ruin it for everyone, though.

@@IsaacNewsome yeah, true enough.

@IsaacNewsome you'll be waiting behind some of them

You can set it to defrost while youre in your house? or where ever you are before going into the car. Dont be low iq.

@@jasonstyrke1805 so you only have to sit in the car 30 minutes to charge it??? How much is your "high IQ" car worth once the battery can no longer charge, say 5 to 10 years???

@@a-fox Dude... what? I literally said you can stay in your house... you dont have to sit in the fcking car unless your away from your house lol in which case you should utilize the life support system included in your car which is the HVAC system. If my battery no longer works say 5years from now, teslas has a 8 year warrenty that will cover it, asuming i didnt surpass the mileage warrenty. 10 years from now, I will replace it for 6k per insurifys battery cost replacement if warrenty does not cover it, which is still half the cost of any of the other S 3 and X models that cost 12-15k to replace. Is that high iq enough or do i need to dumb it down somemore? im drunk and high btw. Im "high" iq as fck. u kive weed

@@jasonstyrke1805 1st Nissan Leaf battery Degradation was Catastrophic There's literally people with 36 miles range and can't get a new Battery for 2 Reasons 1 - There's not enough lithium to give it away to Thousands of People which bought leafs 2- There's not enough money to fund thousands of Battery replacements 3- As result Nissan states, I know you only 36 miles left however it's duo to your poor driving drive more Eco friendly next time saving billions 🤑🤑🤑 you still have 7 bars there for your battery 70% SOH 😛 . Which begs the Question who Determines what is a Faulty Battery 🤔

@@niceboy60 Ford Ecoboost motors on the Ford bronco self destruct and they didn't want to cover them under warranty, so all gas cars are terrible. That's what that logic about the Gen 1 Leaf is like.

I also live in Atlanta. I have never had this problem. If you leave it plugged in at home in the cold it will never get cold soaked since it will just use a tiny bit of electricity to keep the pack warm. Even if you don't keep it plugged in and it does get cold soaked then go into your Tesla app and select 'schedule' category and then schedule a departure time in the morning and then select 'precondition'. It will turn on and run the climate and precondition the battery ahead of that departure time. I've never even had to do that in Atlanta though. If you try to plug in and it won't charge then just either turn on the car and leave the heat on for 30 min. to an hour and then retry charging or go into the app and do the departure 'precondition' thing. Or set the nav to the nearest Supercharger to you and it will begin to automatically precondition the battery for charging even if you aren't driving. Whatever system you use, even sitting hooked up to a Supercharger, the pack will only use 5 kWs to precondition. So might as well let your battery warm itself up for 30 min to an hour. That will only use 2.5 - 5 kWhs of energy which isn't much. Edit: The reason your home charger isn't able to charge is that it is likely trying to put more than a 5kW rate into the pack which I guess is the limit Tesla has set to protect the pack. Most home L2 chargers are in the 7-11 kW range. There is a manual setting on your Tesla screen under charging where you can select the AC max power which you could set lower to like 20 amps so it would only allow just under 5 kWs from your home charger into the pack. Then it would charge, but just slower until the pack warmed up. The Supercharger has more sophisticated software that communicates with the car and throttles back to 5 kW. Your home charger doesn't so you have to manually set it to 5 kWs or 20amp/240V.

@@flipadavis way too many variables to drive an electric car, stick with fuel type car , or a hybrid, unless you want to be stranded in the cold ~ its just that simple . .

@@kingdommusic5456 I've driven 100,000 miles across two EVs. Drove my Tesla with 3 people cross country stopping at dozens of sights. In one day that Summer we went through and stopped in Death Valley and then past Mammoth up through Tioga pass and into Yosemite where we stayed that night. Drove through a record heat wave in 121 degree temp days later coming back through Barstow. Had no problems.

@@flipadavis Yes, you had no issues, but it seems you are very well versed in the operation of your EV. Unfortunately, maybe one person out of every five (probably a very conservative guess) will be as well versed in the proper operation of their EV. That being said, the manufacturers needs to understand that not every owner will bother to learn all of the nuances, and proper operation of their EV. On the other hand, when ICE driven cars first hit the scene they weren't as simple to operate as they are today. As late as the late sixties and possibly the early seventies it wasn't uncommon for a vehicle to have a manually operated choke, which the operator had to have a basic understanding of in order to operate. If one didn't know how to operate the choke, they would never get a carbureted ICE started even in mildly cold temps. And that's just one of several things that one had to learn in order to operate an ICE in cold weather. So its a learning curve, but unfortunately we are being pushed to adopt a technology that isn't ready for the big time, yet. I feel that if we were to wait ten more years the battery technology would probably be at a point where it would absolutely, make more sense to buy an EV. However, as it stands I'm afraid all that is being done by pushing EV's on everyone before they are practical will do nothing but create a stigma for EV's that will take a long time to fade.

Can you explain thermal mass?

@@SimRan-ur5nl Thermal mass is the capacity material have to absorb, store and release heat. Your question was great, because its not clear why a enourmous thermal mass would do any good for that EV without good gravimetric energy density and low thermal inertia. That EVs battery could have great thermal mass but still be useless after one cold night if it had high thermal inertia and even more so if the nominal energy would be low.

@@SimRan-ur5nl The specific heat depends on the material, but for batteries with copper foil, steel, carbon, plastic, some solvents and the cooling water, it should average about 0.45 Jules/degree C per gram. So heating a 770 kg battery + 20 kg water from -20 C to +20 C would take: 0.45 * 40C * 790,000g = 14,220,000 Jules of energy. dividing by 3600 seconds in an hour and by 1000, that is about 4 kWh to warm the battery up, or 5.25 kW for 3/4 hour. (assuming the battery and cooling system is perfectly insulated, which is isn't)

@@philipriesling3897 you can just answer the damn question, people like you make me sick

Its thermal mass would be very low aside from chemical reactions it will reach ambient temperature quickly.

That’s the thing you don’t wanna pick these up used like you would a Camry or civic specifically for that battery being out of warranty

lol how many moving parts your turbo diesel has, have fun disassembling a quarter of the motor to get to a frozen pulley or stupid stepper motor when its 0 out

That turbo diesel will be full of random parts in 10 years time while I didn't pay for shit with my Tesla 😂 well I guess tyres... Lol!

Yes, my lovely 75k turbo diesel left my family stranded in a winter storm, because the stupid EPA required DPF clogged up with soot, because it wouldn't regen properly. Now I run an aftermarket monitor in the truck so I can watch it for problems before I get stranded. Everything has pros and cons. Most EV's are charging at home while their owner sleeps BTW. They don't ever go to a charging station except on road trips. Most people can't fill up their diesel truck at home.

Tesla needs a cast-iron wood-burning stove for heating :)))

He could have just turned on the heater though, and been warm in a minute or two. At those temperatures that takes an ICE forever.

@@Adriaaan It only takes my Expedition 5 minutes to warm up enough to put out heat. And I've owned and operated ICE driven cars that put out usable heat much quicker than that. If you can't make it 5 minutes without heat, you should probably stay inside your house anyway.

​@@Adriaaan And he would have filled up his tank and driven off in 90 seconds instead of sitting so long it warranted a video. EVs are a friggen joke and everyone knows it.

@@GenXRanter Sometimes, I 'Like" comments sarcastically.

Not anymore, now it's 10kw of heat to the battery, 7 from motors, and 3.5 from heat pump... If you want heat inside cabin, it'll be deducted from what the battery get

I was wondering why the car didn’t run the heater and dump it all into the battery pack as opposed to futzing with trying to make heat with the motors. Or at the very least include “turn on the heater” as a tip along with “next time navigate to the supercharger”. Really cool test though.

@@theonetruestripes it does, new ones uses 3.5kw for each motor, and heat pump, for a total of 10+kw of heating...

@@theonetruestripesTesla’s use heat pumps now. So to heat the cabin in conditions like this, it would use power to generate heat in the motors, and then use the heat pump to move that heat into the cabin. So that would mean less heat going from the motors into the battery in this case.

So who is right guys I don’t know who to listen to.?

We traveled from northwest Ohio to Chicago on I 80/90 in northern Indiana. Many Supercharger cables were blown down in the wind and snow covered. It is unfortunate that the Supercharger stations don't have shelters over the units and the units don't have automatic heaters and sitting on top of the shelters that don't have a combination of solar panels and small wind turbines. We have a way to go yet. There is so much opportunity nonetheless.

@Stephen Orr I think they need a more secure latching system. Hope they get enough feedback to consider it.

@@kdjorgensen98 I agree with that whole heartedly. I have trouble with these Superchargers putting the handle back into the correct position all the time. Not intuitive for a klutz like me.

A has car is way better!

@@Frank-sy3li was that a gas car or a has-been car? sorry.... but not better for everything, just some things, and EVs are in their infancy. Many of their negative quirks will be worked out over the next decade or two. The government should not force folks to move to EVs, but eventually EVs will be so compelling and cost effective that most folks will want them. If I want to sleep in my car (Tesla Model Y) when visiting friends/relatives or traveling, I can do so comfortably with no fear of dying from car exhaust while the car stays warm in the winter or cool in the summer overnight. Most folks wouldn't care about that feature, but it appeals to me. Making sure I can always charge the car takes a little planning, but not much effort and I find it fun. Folks how prefer their blackberries and flip fold phones from the 90s over modern smart phones will probably continue to prefer gas cars and I'd bet that gas cars, at least used ones, will be available in sufficient number to scratch their itch for several decades, though eventually they may become subject to increased tax and registration fees as the government or even HOAs will be pushing for cleaner air in places where folks like to enjoy the outdoors.

Yeah, I know me too.

You are aware your range is reduced in cold weather too? And you can't fill up with gas at home so you are totally subject to fuel availability and pricing. So you have issues too, but you've adapted to them just like EV owners have to with the issues they have.

hahahahaha

i think there is some misunderstood info in this video, they were not in below zero freezing temps, they were only in 30 fh, which is not below zero like in Canada where these temps are far lower in the negative, i wouldn't trust doing the same test if i were you with these cars batteries. just look up anything having to do with what these batteries when it comes to below freezing temps and in all cases, it will give you the information that it's not only bad for the cars battery but it also discharges much faster in colder conditions. this is why the Tesla has a heater for the battery, but at what point is the battery heater using to much power to heat the battery to keep the battery in working condition while it needs to be charged, you would do a lot better in a hydrogen vehicle as hydrogen has no issues with below zero temps and would have no issue starting in colder temps, there's a very good reason why it's the number one fuel source for space travel, it's because it can handle any below zero temps no problem, no charging required. and it's probably why Tesla are now investing in hydrogen cars as an alternative.

Lol I am in Calgary and have a model 3 performance. Range will drop in half during -30 days. When pre heated which it dose automatically charging speed is the same. I have 140,000 kms on mine going across the parries and in the mountains. My only costs so far was a windshield and tires. It’s less than 20$ at the most expensive chargers to fill up. Of course at home it’s only about 7$ to fill up. I am not going back from electric, even my insurance went down and my last car that was a ford focus 2015. Keep in mind if you charge at home your leaving with a full tank every day so going to a charger is rare except if your doing more than 400kms a day.

And of course even in the snow with good winter tires you can still blow away everyone off the lights. Also only time I used my tow hook is helping out pulling out vehicles stuck in the ditch. There’s nothing like the look you get pulling a jeep out of the ditch.

Totally agree

Tesla has said as much as a 25% reduction in charging time with proper pre-heat procedures. #Wow

Glad I don't have these problems with my ICE vehicle! Never will. 😃

@@rkeith4442 I preheated (and charged) an ICE car for 30 minutes last week at -20C (-4F) because it would not start (weak battery). Replaced the battery in those temperatures because I needed to drive the next day at -30C (-22F). Pre-heated the car for 2 hours for that trip.

​@jamesphillips2285 My ICE F-150 never had that problem! I replace the battery ever 3 years or so, well worth the money.

Those people should read the owners manual. LOL

Cool. Very.

Do they charge their car by cycling on a bike or what?

@@reahs4815 You are onto something. Maybe the next Tesla will have charging pedals!

That happens with the battery in your fire breather too.

@@johnphelps2941 My "firebreather" starts at -40 no issue, and then it doesn't just quit and fail to restart when I'm on the TransCanada Hwy. My buddies Tesla fails this way weekly in the winter.

Garage kept, no doubt. Lead acid batteries don't like cold weather either. But you won't hear about this problem when sodium ion batteries take over. That's already started. The dinosaurs are going extinct. ICE is dying. we'll see if your kids thank you for climate change.@@brentlloyd7908

@@johnphelps2941 yeah but every 3-5 years I need to replace it and it costs me anywhere from 100-150 dollars. Not 17,000 and I can put it in myself with a couple of tools and 5 minutes of my time. Really no comparison.

what decision LOL... Cars are junk, things a joke... worried about mpg? hybird.

You know when the window works I am sold

Real world. Tell that to someone Evs SUCK stop 🛑 with the shit INTERNAL combustion is the greatest invention Of all time junk the ev

OK ... Who has an hour to spare in the morning ?

@@cathie9614 You can set the car to warm up by a certain time.