Gábor Koszper, very good point - thanks.

Hey, that is interesting! Almost like the fairytale is the reality and not "the underground"

And the monsters were in the real world. Ofelia was not scared of all the strange magic creatures... she was scared of the real world.

Maya Fey She was pretty freaked out by the skinny dude that ate kids.... and rightfully so

@@AmbyJeans I KNOW WHAT DO THEY MEAN SHE WASNT SCARED OF THE creatureS

Never even thought of that!

i thought the same,to the point where i thought maybe they were supposed to be the same person. and the existence of Ophelia itself was how a part of Mercedes ,the part thats still innocent and believes in happy endings and fairy tales ,was trying to reconcile with the grim bleak reality shes facing. wither thats true or not it doesnt matter ,to me it made the final scene all the more heart breaking than it already was

EXACTLY! When I watched the movie and they both had brothers and then Mercedes talked about “not trusting fauns” etc. I felt like she was connected in some way.

BXDK TRUTH

True, interesting POV, thanks! I´m using this for my homework c:

I know! I get a lot of "I hate reading subtitles' =\

Just learn spanish. turn off the subtitles. problem solved.

Tell 'em 'bout it!!!

Here in Brazil a lotta ppl watch it dubbed, and others (myself included) watch 'em subbed. We don't fight much about it, everyone does as they please.

Heck even I watched it! I'm visually impaired and can't read subtitles easily, so I had my friend narrate much of what I missed. (She said I just HAD to watch it. Halfway through, she got tired of narrating, but I refused to turn it off. I borrowed it and paused at every subtitle to get up close and read it before unpausing.)

What is the significance of that name? Is it supposed to be a feminine version of Orpheus from Greek mythology?

It may be, and that's a totally valid interpretation, but I was thinking of the reference to Shakespeare, Hamlet in particular.

I think you're right. Though I never thought much of the name when I first saw the movie, since it's a fairly common name in spanish-speaking countries (I even have an aunt with that name).

I got the reference immediately.

I'd watch it but I don't know what a "Pan s Laaaabyrinth" is.

The single most cathartic moment I've ever experienced

I think Del Toro himself put it best. The words killed him before the bullet did

wasn't necessary to use contemporary, as there isn't any medival cinema.

I saw it as a complete subversion of expectation. throughout the film, all emphasis was on the captain's inadequacy, and cowardice especially in comparison to his father. in most stories, the villain will have at least some sympathy, and in most films, he would have been allowed this sympathy, for his ark to be complete by the end, to have lived a coward but die a man but Mercedes denies the captain of any redeeming quality

When she shoots him I felt so happy, it was so satisfying

+Grant Bennett Not much considering it's a children's story (unlike The Lord of the Rings trilogy).

Why do you say that? Just because del Toro's films tend to be dark doesn't mean he's incapable of tackling a children's story. According to Phillipa Boyens, del Toro's Hobbit would have been much more of a fairy tale had he not dropped out of the project.

+Grant Bennett Not much better... The films were unsalvagable from the moment they turned it into a trilogy.

+Dat NguyenThe Apparently del Toro wanted just a single film until he was convinced that two films would have been better for telling the story. When Jackson took over he rewrote the screenplays with Boyens and Walsh and made the decision for a trilogy after wrapping up production on the first movie. So you could argue that the films were unsalvageable from the moment Jackson assumed the director's chair.

Yeah, I'm not sure Jackson wanted a trilogy though. I mean, i know next to nothing about this but it seems to me that no sensible director would make the hobbit into a trilogy just for the heck of it. I suspect it was ordered from above. #ThePowerOfMoney

Yes its very rare that child actors and actresses such as her truly captivate the audience . . .

You should see the 12 year old main character in Orphan. Its an amazing movie!

watch beasts of no nation. greatest child performance in history hands down

The girl who plays Ofelia is in The Shannara Chronicles btw!

I agree. After I saw her, I hoped to never see her again. I want to only ever see the beautiful character Ophelia.

only hell spawns survive hell...

We have to stop the cycle...

Woodhouse Studios Unfortunately that cycle is taking over the world currently

Yet we are in the most pacific era we ever had.

Disobedient. Stunning! That is what we are. XD if you turn the world in order, then what remaining of it would be. You have to watch the movie which Daniel Craig performed name the invasion. Thr universe where we act like robot, always obey other's benefit, we are one, united and only 1. XD it is fucking nightmare so don't ask for that. The most effective method is decrease population, it will solve our conflict of of this so call disobedience and many thing like War, disease, jobs, pollution, crimes etc.

Or... Ophelia was just telling herself a story, like how we all tells ourselves stories in situations where we don't want to be. Stories of hope, stories to keep us and others around us, going stories that enable us to deny the often horrible world around us. And when we 'pick' an ending... we're doing the same as Ophelia.

+daddyleon well, that's your opinion man

daddyleon I'm arguing for one theory or another I'm just pointing out something they forgot to mention.

***** Oh, I see. Yes, that's indeed one option. The fawn could also have been 'hiding' himself from people he didn't want to be seen by. And who knows, maybe there a lot more options.

+daddyleon if ophelia was just imagining all this...than howcome that root tuber healed her mother.......and pls also answer my this question .......i found the film very interesting ....but still...dont know why everybody praise this movie........can u tell me one sentence.....why this movie is so praised........(& i am from india).....PLZ REPLY

jajaja yes, it does.

That children eating monster was fucking terrifying

Dillon Amor I saw this movie when I was four or five . I am thankful that my dad made me watch it with him because it’s an amazing movie.

Fabiana Garcia 4 or 5 is a little young for this movie imho

@@AmbyJeans i watched it when i was around that age surprisingly, it scared me at parts but i still liked it.

booh.. now that nerd writer told us some facts doesn't mean you have right to knit any trash

Ohhhh shit. Now I see it.

Rakesh roy Huh??

Chronos and Cronus (Or Kronos) are different entities in greek mythology. Cronus, the titan and the one who ate his children is a god of harvest. Chronos is the personification of time.

@@cecilianavarrete1713 Rick Riordan lied to my entire childhood.

+Luboman411 -- I feel the same way. I was devastated by it then, and am now reminded of my feelings by this astute analysis.

just the beginning of that song bring me a storm of mixed feelings unique to this film...

Yes, I saw this movie several times.. I rarely do that, but I could watch it again and again. I used to love fairy tales, but feel sad when they're over. But not with this, you could really see lots of different endings in this, just like how all fairy tales have several different versions: when we choose an ending, we are like the people retelling the story to others, except,here, we tell t ourselves. I mostly prefer to see the sad, melancholic, and tragic ending that echoes real life..where Ophelia made up a story to cope with the terrors of her world. So just like Ophelia, we are telling ourselves a story when the movie ends. And the music makes everything much more layered and intense, it's simply phenomenal.

I still hum that lullaby when I'm feeling sad . . .

@@jmorra You're telling me. I was a grown adult by the time this film came out, and I think I must have ugly-cried for about half an hour.

did his mouth really got cut though ?

+Ahmad Hafiz No, you can see in behind the scenes that the cut is a small green screen material, just like the legs of the actor playing the faun has green screen pants to hide his real legs

You secretly like him.

Yeah I wanted him to die so badly. So he was a great villain.

The actor did a GREAT JOB... You really LOATHE, that fascist JACKASS..

how do the fantasy aspects and images convey meaning of the "real" world problems faced by the characters

Exactly my thought too!!

The Red Shoes is also a folk tale about a poor girl who lusts over fancy red shoes in the window of the cobbler's shop and grows more and more to despise her homemade burlap shoes. Finally her grandmother caves in and buys them for her as a present. When she puts them on her feet she begins to dance wildy and finds that she can never take them off & so she is fated to dance and dance until she dies of exhaustion. I read this from Women Who Run With the Wolves by Clarissa Pinkola Estes which seeks to provide deep insight and outlines of psychic work & soul journeys within folk/fairy tales, especially traditional stories passed down orally within various cultures of the world. Pan's Labyrinth's metaphors and references go far deeper than this video states, but he definitely implies this is so.

Del Toro seems to have a thing for red shoes and shoes in general. They show up in Pacific Rim too, remember Mako's flashback? Shoes also have a big significance in Spanish/Latin culture, especially for women. There's a whole ceremony in quinceneras (sp?), the coming of age party for girls in Latin culture when they turn 15, where the girl changes out of flat shoes (usually ballet flats or sandals) into a pair of high heeled shoes.

Yes! The Red Shoes is a fairy tale by Hans Christian Andersen who wrote also The Little Mermaid. It's a very dark story. The girl was fated to dance even after her death. She asks an executioner to chop off her feet, he does so but the shoes continue to dance, even with her amputated feet O.O

Rainy Hastings she gets punished because she wears them to church, against the wishes of her grandma

Satanic

@@desmondhodges9710 who cares lol at least its entertaining

Desmond Hodges how?

@@desmondhodges9710 Yeah very and it's the reason I didn't like it.

Made me want to be a child again

I just thought that the faun wasn’t letting Vidal see him through some way of magic.

Guermo del toro once said that there were clues that it was real, like how Vidal noticed the chalk, or Ofelia getting into Vidal’s room even though it was locked, how could she had gotten in there without the chalk?

But what about Vidal seeing the chalk?

Germo del toro once confirmed that it wasn’t her imagination. And to me. It is perspective. Either way, it doesn’t matter.

I am fine with how you think of it, and I can perceive it the way I want to.

i know, right? they always seem to pick the huge and potent ones too!

just stick your tongue out

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Helen The Kitten and Gabriel the skeleton sure....

"Seriously, stop cutting onions in here :'("

Jay Fulkerson it’s on Netflix now. Sorry for your loss 💕

I wanna hug you man

love you brother

The utterly heart-rending violin rendition is on Spotify: open.spotify.com/track/7cL5ePbhHQdf9435DND6iq?si=REb0NEsKRVSg-vZn01WGGw

dude weren't you scared by the that monster with eyes on his palms?

+Vítězslav Ureš Yeah I was wondering about that too.

He made them child friendly, they're near carbon-copies, just with censorship and minor rewrites.

+jcudal32 Thanks for the message. My knowledge of (modern) art is very poor so I had to look into Gombrich's The Story of Art and Eywitness Art - Composition, Sarah Kent, but I did find many things the Nerdwriter omited or focused on other things. It is a pitty, but it is just as good that we really cannot trust anyhing on the internet =)

+Vítězslav Ureš I thought that too but I presume he just meant the patriarchy bit?

+Vítězslav Ureš I translated his reference to the adherence to the original stories as the adherence to traditional religious and patriarchal values where female sexuality and independence was viewed in more sinister light and/or as a commodity and a rich male figure typically saves the day. It is an overarching theme in our modern day and ancient fairy tales as well as the manifest destiny concept perpetuated through colonialism which is very apparent in Pan's Labyrinth. I don't think he meant this in purity to the plot as most Disney movies are fairly loose and sometimes insulting not only to their original inspiration but often the cultures they supposedly represent.

I don't think grave of the fireflies is antiwar... it's deeper than that. you see dead bodies and the misery war causes, but (hold on, I'm passionate about these things) grave of the fireflies adresses a young man that is in the age to start being responsible. he makes a choice he regrets, and loses his sister for it, it shows the dilemma he goes through because he's very determined and very lovely and likeable and very young. so young that you can't really blame him for making that choice. it's an issue everyone goes through, not everyone has people die because of it, but it's a very rare lesson, you never see that in movies.

Some people above were talking about movies with great child actors and Grave of the Fireflies definitely seems relevant there too (at least the original Japanese VAs, I never watched it in English)

Cornelia Hanimann if you like grave of the fireflies, check out anime abandon's review of it. It explains the reason of it existing as well.

Being spanish it was such a bittersweet end because in reality fascism won for so long...

You should watch Come and See. It's a Soviet war film depicting the atrocities committed in Belarus during the Nazi occupation. I swear, that movie is the most horrific, and the best, anti-war movie ever.

Well they might just be real to her, but in a very literal sense.

I don't think it's possible for things to be real for her and her alone.

Lovaloo Why not?

because the world they live in ties to our world in the historical events taking place within it

Lovaloo Look at it like this: she can actually enter that magical world and use things from that world. But only _she_ can do that.

tru dat

Yeah Mr. Sir! Yeah Cinema!

-manuela- Cloud Atlas was so visually and spiritually stunning. A beautiful film, one I think about often. That's great filmmaking right there, when a film sticks with you long after watching it.

Cloud Atlas is one of my favorite films, and yet it is a bad film. The Wachowskis can't direct for shit.

I like the book of Cloud Atlas more than the movie.

Cloud Atlas is one of my least favorite films. It's all over the place and has such loosely connected threads. I remember after first watching it, I just thought to myself "wow, that was a really long movie and yet I feel as if I've learned absolutely nothing of value from it". I still feel that way. It felt like I had wasted my time. I don't feel any real love or appreciation for it.

@@VintageLJ If you rewatch it a few times over and follow one of the characters for the entire movie, it makes sense why it's chaotic as it is. It's about reincarnations and life times.

That shouldn't stop you from enjoying it. Violence and graphic imagery are a good thing so long as their purpose is to challenge the viewer and their way of thinking.

Beautiful way of putting it, Matthew.

That was the balance of it. This balance of the beauty of fairy tales and the innocence of children and the harsh realties of life and war . . . Poetic in a sense . . .

Tough skin is needed. Watch again.

What do I put here? And I love you! ;)

+Xenon Creed It does just not so many.

+Nigel Franklin Why do you ever need to unpause adblocker?

+Jack Heathen To support the content creators? That is, if you don't want to donate.

+Nigel Franklin That's an endorsement if I've ever heard one.

Crispy Bacon Advertisements aren't the artist. And you're aren't an artist if you're in marketing and advertising. I'll the support the artist by donating yes.

No.

@@AlMai222 That's entirely possible. Videl is a close minded adult male, he might not be able to see what innocent magic can see.

@@ArchieRatsworth No.

Or perhaps just visible to people that aren’t pure evil.

@@AlMai222 yes

I love the old language the faun uses! Reminds me of abuelos in México. I watch the Spanish version obviously

it's been 4 weeks and nobody responded to this...this was very well said, I'm always curious about where we draw the line with art and just...lazyness, because there are artists that would hang up a picture that has nothing on it and leave it up to interpretation. I think that's really important. to leave things there that raises questions, we learn how to react to these questions, learn about ourselves and what we ourselves value and where our priorities sit.

that is what many People don't get you need smiles for the tears to flow

Cornelia Hanimann

But at the same time it was a happy ending for her because she was so young and she achieved transcendence beyond this painful world. Transcendence that somebody like Vidal and the monsters that ruin this world will never understand.

My favorite as well! I remember "rewinding" the movie so many times to keep replaying it, I loved it so much...

This movie wasn’t funny. This movie was brilliant.

Still waiting for his Mountains of Madness.

Please send it 🙏

That's a gruesome and depressing scene! I can't stand cruelty, even when it's simulated.

I've seen Pan's Labyrinth easily 100 to maybe 200 times and have only seen that scene once. I was surprised by it the first time so I couldn't even look away. Never making that mistake again.

That was the hardest one for me, too!

My man cannot stand any violence in movies, needed telling him to look away on several occasions. This was one.

I bought the criterion for this and had to pause after witnessing THAT scene

Yes, you could read it that way, but I also see it as proof that even though Ophelia has died, her death is a moral triumph rather than a defeat, because on a political level, she also died while resisting the representative of a cruel and oppressive regime...And because Vidal wanted to raise his son exactly according to the same ethic, Ophelia can be said to have saved her little brother from that regime also, and from becoming just the person Vidal wanted to turn him into. And if magic helped her through her miseries, well, then so be it. Interesting that later, In Crimson Peak, del Toro uses jsut the same device of beginning at the ending of the story and returning to that at the end, but here it is much more complex - to this day, I find it hard to decide whether Edith truly lived through the whole experience in reality and then decided to write a book about it afterwards, or whether everything that takes place in that movie just takes place between the covers of Edith's book and nowhere else. But clearlöy Edith and Ophelia are related characters in that stories and storytelling are very important to them and are, in fact, a path to their personal liberation.

+Bernie Leiva The music alone makes me feel this sadness deep inside.

+Bernie Leiva Haha only days? What are you some sort of emotionless psychopath?

***** I rarely watch movies twice, because I really dislike that, since I know the story... but I've watched this one 4x now, over the years, I think. So I think it's great, but... that entirely depends on what type of movies you like, so I don't think I could answer your question properly without knowing you at least somewhat. Sorry.

I found the movie terribly sad, but not depressing. Quite the contrary, Ofelia wins in the end; she becomes the princess because of her sacrifice.

Benjamin Green No.. she died for nothing.. right?

You're probably right!!

I'd even say it's one of the best movies overall

Nah, no doubt Hot Fuzz is a good movie. But it isnt a masterpeace like this one

yes, LOTR is still the GOAT tho.

Wow chill

same

take it slowly

its ok bb

+Apsis Motion Pictures It's less drugs and more the fact that Vidal is not only a narrow-minded Fascist with no capacity for understanding fairy tales, but also that he is just a normal human and isn't chosen by the magical world. The interpretation that it's all in Ofelia's head breaks down at two points: when she escapes her room through a magic chalk door, evading the guard, and more importantly, when the Labyrinth opens to her in the finale, letting her escape Vidal long enough for her to have the encounter with the Faun. The latter part especially simply can't be explained away, since we see clearly how Vidal is right at Ofelia's heels, only for her suddenly be at the centre of the Labyrinth without travelling through it by normal means.

Lightice1 If that's the intention of the narrative, then the drugs are counter productive towards that expression.

Apsis Motion Pictures The drugs are just an addition to the unreliability of Vidal's perspective, and an explanation for why a child is able to elude a trained soldier for so long in the first place.

Lightice1 There are a lot of really pointless shots, then.

Apsis Motion Pictures I don't see anything pointless about anything in this film.

how do the fantasy aspects and images convey meaning of the "real" world problems faced by the characters

I agree

+Julius Spell I second that

+Igor Mendonca Yea would be great, the album does have so much potential for an sociocritical discussion. Didnt even saw something like a Video-Essay about it already.

Best Musik of The World Rap It's not just sociocritical, It does have a very personal approach. And the duality between the social and the personal approach makes the Chuang Tzu Butterfly metaphor true, in an almost metaphisical experience at Mortal Man. And, of course, Kendrick doesn't follow the metaphor "straightly", he pimps it up (like the title says), distorts it, like he does with the genres he honors, in reference to the history of black music. As a english non-speaker, words really fail me when I try to talk about the many layers of this work. Nerdwriter has to do it!!!!

definitely!

+Jeffery Marion Same haha

ditto. nice way to start my day

+Jeffery Marion Hope you've checked out Wisecrack too then!

Mexican, not spanish.

+TechJacket 6 Years old? Isn't that a bit young? I watched it when I was 14 and I have no trouble admitting I was fucking emotionally destroyed in every direction. My favourite film too, tied with a few others.

Hahah yep probably.. I remember begging my parents to let me go and for whatever reason allowed it... I'm so glad they did though because I loved it and it didn't traumatise me or turn me into a psychopath so no worries :)

lol you got me

+Harrison Barr Looking back there's a lot of movies my parents let me watch when I was "too young" and I'm happy for it. I do agree that 6 is pretty dang young to see this though, I mean a guy gets his face bashed in with cut glass and they don't hide it. I saw this when I was about 10 or 11.

Shyla Streeter Exactly. And yeah I know lol, but to be fair a friend of mine saw Fight Club when they were 8 so I don't think watching Pan's was thaaat bad.

It’s dog crap compared to pans labrynth

Forgettable.

I would honestly say that they are equal in brilliance and performance... honestly guys I can't figure out where you guys are coming from...

The Shape of Water is a different story. I think it was good. It's no use comparing one story to a completely different story about something else.

Pan's Labyrinth is a solid effort by del Toro, but it's not his best film. The characters lack any real personality and Ofelia is such a passive protagonist. The Shape of Water though is a genuine masterpiece that features a perfect performance by Sally Hawkins and a beautifully told story about every relevant issue that America was going through in 2017.

I'm sitting in my study here in Norway and have just finished at least 4 of his videos. The first thing that came into my mind after watching the first one was "I wish I had a joint right now".

+Ryan T.E. I'm on vacation and i can't find pot :(

+Raziel Sefer at a beach ?

+Ryan T.E. I'm high af right now and let me tell you.... Its fucking aweesome.

+Mau Jo Na Fantastic Mr. Fox

Heya, it's now on Netflix if you want to watch it / have that service

Will Herondale i dont have a Netflix sadly. However i did manage to find a copy on Amazon but thanks for letting me know.