When? They will find that when they find the tomb of Genghis Khan. In fact they'll probably find them at the exact same time.

@@xotl2780 you don’t get the joke.

@@Rokaize Joke with a very small j

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@@xotl2780 he's referring to the novel and TV miniseries, The Terror. Which postulates a sticky end for the sailors. If you haven't read it or seen it it is worth it.

aye .. only lost for 170 years because the arrogant white man wouldnt talk to the natives !! .. priceless

@@andyzx9682 I saw a nice interview with an Inuit Franklin researcher regarding that. He acknowledged, along with a European colleague, that the Inuit oral traditions are extremely hard to understand because of their language's paucity of words describing when things happened.

It's a story as old as time. How many times have modern archaeologists bragged about some amazing new discovery and its revealed shortly after the locals had been telling them about it for hundreds of years. They always say they just thought it was folklore or a legend they were describing

@@onzie9 can you point me to this interview??

@@user-lk2qf4rt3m Where did you read that they despoiled graves and fed their dogs with the bodies? As I understand it, few of the bodies were given graves, but rather the men simply died where they lay. I've never heard of the dogs being fed on the dead, either.

Your right! I bet that is the camera

Oh my god they really need to go down there and retrieve them tines ticking away!

I was thinking the same thing!!

Probably nothing on them, the metals in the plates would have leeched out in small quanities and destroyed the photos. But your probably right about it being the camera good eye

@@blurryface2555 Been down there for closing on 200 years 'times ticking away' lol

Wood takes much longer to decompose in salt water than iron : P

Ben Lzicar There. Both. In. Salt. water.

@@flyingeagle1237 They sure are XD

willthey raise em

@@flyingeagle1237 Read. Their. Post. again.

Have you read Michael Palin's book?

I like Franklin wood stoves, too, what’s your favourite firewood?

hell yeah!

Apparently, in those times they were in the habit of making several duplicates of expedition logs for this very reason. One of the holy grails of the Franklin case has always been at least one copy of the ships' logs hidden somewhere ashore in King William Island which researchers are convinced MUST be there somewhere - or at least, have been. Therefore, it would be logical that a copy - or rather, the original which would be getting no more entries anyway - of the log would have been left aboard both ships as well. It has to be remembered that they could not know the future fate of the ships, it's not like they were abandoned because there was anything wrong with them. It would have probably been against both regulation and custom to completely remove the logs from a ship in that situation.

They would have taken them off the ship and hid them. They are most likely on William island

Its not unlikely they left a copy on Terror. She was boarded up and left in a sheltered Cove in the Ice and the truth is they may have considered a chance that she would have been recovered at some point.

I still think Crozier would have left a message in his desk had any rescuers found the ships so they'd have an idea of what direction he took the survivors and his goal. If Peglar's journal was found with writing still legible out in the open land, imagine the near perfect state the cold water will have on anything in Crozier's work desk. I bet the tripod is the expedition's camera-copper plate images were recovered from other shipwrecks so it'll be fascinating if they can recover actual photos.

I tried watching a bit of that series. What kind of idiot introduces a fictional monster into a real life event? As if there was not enough drama.

Imagine if the logbook is still intact!

Holy fuck, so much is intact! This might just answer so many questions about what their plans were and how good old Franklin died..

I love your series on the Franklin expedition. Please review every episode.

If the documents show that the ship was under attack from the Inuit then we will never be let find out about it. They are Parks Canada's new best friends.

They found the documents. They just say, "All work and no play makes John a dull boy." over and over.

A beautiful time capsule

You will never see the “documents” in that desk because anyone with a brain highly doubts the survivors left such important documents behind after MONTHS. No clue where you even got that idea from.

Thanks for watching!

@Teutonic knight "ITS COLD"

@@Pat4ever. LOL👍

He wrote, "Bugger."

@Johnny Cash Well then I'll get to ask him myself

@@evo5dave He hoped he would keep wicket for the Croydon Gentlemen, and marry Doris.

The blue and white pottery (most famously from China) had been widely imitated and produced in Europe for over a century by that time, so frankly it'd be more surprising if there weren't any on that ship...

@@eggsybenedict7014 The ubiquitous Willow Pattern..

The show was really fastidious on the historical accuracy despite the fantastical elements. They built the ship set based exactly on the floor plan of the real terror! It's quite beautiful how great a job the showrunners did, and it makes the show feel so alive.

rkygriz I wonder if the wreck still contains human remains

@@jaffabaffa Don't think so. The ships were abandoned in a frozen bay, and the men died trying to walk back to civilization.

@@vulpesinculta3238 Ah, didn't know. Thank you for the information

@@jaffabaffa From Wikipedia: Franklin expedition "In 1845,Francis Crozier joined Rear-Admiral Sir John Franklin as captain of the Terror on the Franklin expedition to traverse the last unnavigated section of the Northwest Passage. After Franklin's death in June 1847, he took command of the expedition, and his fate and those of the other expedition members remained a mystery until 1859, when a note written by Crozier and James Fitzjames, captain of the Erebus, was discovered on King William Island during an expedition led by Sir Francis McClintock. Dated 25 April 1848, the note indicated that the ships-stuck in ice-had been abandoned. Nine officers, including John Franklin, and 15 crewmen had died. Also stated was their intention, on 26 April, to set out for Back's Great Fish River on the Canadian mainland.[6] Unverified Inuit reports collected between 1852 and 1858 indicate that Crozier and one other expedition member were seen in the Baker Lake area, about 400 kilometres (250 mi) to the south, where, in 1948, Farley Mowat found "a very ancient cairn, not of normal Eskimo construction," inside which were shreds of a hardwood box with dovetail joints.[7] McClintock and later searchers found relics, graves, and human remains of the Franklin crew on Beechey Island, King William Island, and the northern coast of the Canadian mainland, but no survivors." Basically, they abandoned the Erebus and Terror in an attempt to walk out of the Arctic.So, no, there are no human remains aboard either ship.

Get a copy of Micheal Palin's book Erebus. You will be spellbound.

But all the crew got off and started a trek toward the South - I don't imagine any important records would have been left behind, especially by Crozier.

And whisky.

Why haven't they explored that desk yet?

​@@carloscruz2918it's very costly and dangerous

@@mmtiganyes. Whiskey that has been under water for nearly 200 years. I’m sure you guys would love to drink that.

I do wonder that too but I've always thought that the Inuit might have taken any documents or ship logs left on board after they were abandoned. I hope not though....

@@EireForTheIrishdoubtful they would’ve taken any documents to read considering they didn’t even speak or read English.

​@@EireForTheIrishProbably not, considering the inuit couldn't read the documents. There was a metal box that the inuit did find on land, left by the expedition, which contained documents, but these ended up simply being destroyed because they did not understand the significance of the Englishmens' papers and books. So I'm not convinced that the inuit who boarded the terror shortly after it was abandoned would've raided the books. Rather they were known to have taken tools, silverware and metal pieces.

I agree. Rescue and restore the Ships otherwise they'll rot underwater.

Illegal salvage? 😅😅😅 Do you think Terror Bay is akin to English Bay in downtown Vancouver? Remote, desolate, unpopulated, hard to reach most of the year, devoid of shipping traffic - all these things that kept the ships from being found for over a century will continue to keep them out of reach.

@@misterslats Who said anything about Illegal Salvage, laughing boy? I'm an attorney with experience in maritime law and deep sea salvage operations... I'm also a qualified level 9. Master scuba diving trainer and spent time in Antarctic waters years ago when I served in the military before my legal career. And whether you accept it or not, where there is a will, there is a way and if sufficiently motivated, recovering these two small ships from their shallow graves would not be too problematic. There just has to be the motivation to do it and a gentleman's agreement between the UK & Canadian governments. But I guess when you have a Prime Minister too preoccupied with safe spaces, woke words, removing people's civil liberties, taking away their guns, using wartime laws to quash peaceful protests etc etc.. then I guess preserving a small part of 100 year old colonial history falls pretty low on the list of priorities.

@@Maulinator69 The dude deleted his post after I left my comment. My post was in response to him not you.

@@misterslats In that case I stand corrected and graciously offer my apology.

It is only 30 feet under the water. Anyone could swim around it using a snorkel and goggles. I must admit that it would be a bit of a cold swim.

@@7316bobe depth of 69-79 feet actually ( 21-24 meters ). In arctic freezing waters... Need a lot of scuba training to do what they are doing, and specific training for wreck diving.

Update- they found his journal and it's final entry was quite telling. It's said " Here we sit, at great loss. Trying to shit out penguin sauce. When it comes we hope, we pray. It will not blow our asses away".

​@commycasty That would be his Antarctic logbook. 😂😂😂

Mark Langley So did I, then watched the Terror tv series. Gave me much more respect for Crozier thanks to the book

Why aren't you just the little novelist? That was quite a visual picture you just painted for me! And I agree~

Whenever I see footage from exceptionally well preserved sunken ships like the HMS Terror. I always kinda expect to see someone just casually walk around from the next corner. As if nothing had ever happened.

@@sanddabz5635 I’m glad you agree, I guess I described it a little better than intended

@@juletid99 same here I’m surprised it wasn’t haunted

Oh wow! Could you imagine lost images of the expedition? I don't see how plates could survive seawater though.

@@tomservo5347 If developed during the voyage, they would have a high chance of surviving. The photographic artifacts from the S.S. Central America (1857) wreck are a good example: edge.alluremedia.com.au/uploads/businessinsider/2014/07/gold-photo.jpg en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Central_America#Search_and_discovery

5:16 This is probably the camera here

@@sirboomsalot4902 oh gods, please let there be usable film inside!

roman Mayer yeah that's what's terrifying to me; the ice that forced these poor souls to leave the ships has long melted away

Actually, it is said that it was free during summers back then as well. They just came there in the few years it was colder and didn't melt in between.

Dude, the expedition got trapped in Ice, since those 2 winters were among the coldest, it was not normal back then that the Ice didnt melt in summer, thats what doomed them

"You're telling me we can seal cans without lead?!?!"

Imagine telling the crew that 50 years latter, 6 men in a herring fishing ship finally sailed the northern passage while running from their captains creditors. Now that is a shocker!

its beyond alien to imagine.

​@@pmp1337Necessity is the mother of innovation, it seems. 😂😂😂 120 experienced navymen in the most advanced ship of their day vs six guys running away from the threat of an arse-whooping. The six guys make the world record. Life's a tragic comedy.

Lol! Enjoy your gifted ships now! 😂

Look at me, I am the captain now -Some Canadian, probably a newfie

It is interesting that the men that were supposed to be starving to death left firearms hanging on the wall in the cabin. I was under the impression that there was Caribou, Polar Bears, Seals, Birds, and a number of other animals that could have been hunted for food.

@@7316bobe One possibility is lead poisoning. The tin cans were soldered shut using lead, which the sailors consumed on a daily basis.

@@7316bobe Also after such a long journey, numerous deaths and possibly a lot of sick sailors it is very much possible that they just weren't thinking straight.

@@tolga1cool In the book Frozen in Time where they dug up the 3 Franklin Expedition members on Beechey Island the hair samples from the bodies showed from the hair's rate of growth that the lead in the bodies of those 3 men was only slightly elevated. The samples taken from the bones of other crewmen taken off King William Island to check for lead found the lead levels elevated to higher than normal but only marginally higher than crewmen that served aboard other ships in the British navy and they had not gone mad. It must be remembered that in those days all the water piping aboard the ships was made of lead. On those old ships there was literally tons of lead that was used every where something might rust, and even the wash basins in the kitchens were made of lead. I think that something else happened to cause this expedition to fail and exactly what that was is still not known.

@@tolga1cool Do not forget that another ship and crew was stuck in the ice for 4 years and still made it home to England again. They were eventually picked up by a whale ship with all the crew still alive. 4 years is 1 year longer than the men of the Franklin Expedition, that deserted there ships after only 3 years. It is not known why the Franklin Expedition crews deserted there ships to go on a death march because when they left England the food supply was big enough to last everybody for over 4 years and could be rationed out to 5 years in an emergency.

And a big no thank tonthe euros who never listened to the naitives, the ships where never lost. It just took 200 years to liste

Its the cold water, it has lower oxygen so things like wood worms that would have eaten away the wood a long time ago, can't live in cold water, so old ship wrecks usually stay in tact better. Look at the Roman ship that was found in really deep water, where again little oxygen exists. They found full amphorae vessels, full of wine, still sealed, I don't know it if would still be drinkable or of had long turned to vinegar.

james Young He’s talking about the array of furniture and stuff around the ship, not it’s condition.

The wreck the final chapter of 'The Terror' is based on turned out to be the Erebus. By the time she was abandoned between 1852-58 only 4 men were left aboard her and she hadn't actually sailed for some time.

Thanks for watching!

Thanks for watching! You can find updates about the project here: parks.canada.ca/lhn-nhs/nu/epaveswrecks/info/communiques-franklin-releases.

Didn’t even think of that, it is really weird that so many bottles stayed upright on shelves and display guns still on their racks…

They had lead in their canned food. That can distort perception and addle the brain a lot. Some men just died of lead poisoning.

@@janethagaman1998 If as you say they died of lead poisoning then why did no other sailors in the British Navy die from lead poisoning They were using the same can food that was given to the Franklin Expedition by the navy suppliers. I am afraid that the lead in the cans of food had very little to do with the demise of the Expedition.

@@7316bobe The company that they chose (as they were the cheapest bid) to give the contract for tin food supply to had only a few weeks notice and there are reports of the tinned food not being cooked/prepared properly which caused bacteria to grow in them. The ships had lead pipes for heating and storing drinking water and the food tins were made from lead. The lead poisoning most definitely worsened their health. The ships were not brand new, one of them was active in battles in 1812, the fuel for the engines on the ships lasted only 12 days. Heavily salted meat and lots of tea which contains tannin also weakened them. They didn't wear the best clothes for those conditions. They were then more likely to get pneumonia and tb.

The ships were frozen in, the surviving crew were frozen out. All information lost.Mission a catastrophic failure.

If England can raise the Mary Rose ( Henry VIII's flagship that sank in 1545 ) then anything is possible. Well, all except the Titanic of course

Knowing how many men died, it is creepy. I've dove on shipwrecks, and its creepy.

james Young I was diving on a wreck once and my light started to malfunction and when I got it working again I saw Michael Jackson's face right in front of me.

Thank you for watching!

I'm guessing that the vast majority of people have never heard of the Brit's effort to find the Northwest Passage, nor the lives lost in their search.

cause rap music is more important...

Would like to see/find the update on this article.

Its pretty much preserved under ice all these years so its possible 🤯

Having visited The Vasa, I agree. That also raises the possibility of extracting ALL of the artifacts inside opposed to just the ones easy to access.

My question is where would you put it?

It would need special treatment or the wood would disintegrate when exposed to air.

Glad you enjoyed it!

Dave, we can only hope this may happen. I have been on the Wasa but not the Mary Rose. To the crews and decendents of both ships, a new chapter is opened and the old on the location closed.

That's really interesting.

One of the Inuit accounts mentions the surviving men having a "kayak" that could be stuffed away and carried on the man's back-probably the collapsible raft.