The 2006 - 2010 period in F1 was really out of the ordinary, 5 different champs, 5 different teams.

honestly i think the biggest issue with F1 right now isnt Red Bull, its the FOM trying to generate more money from race weekends. It does need money to survive, however sprint races and adding more races that arent amazing to the calendar is just diluting the sport. More is less in my opinion, this was shown when we had the 2020 season and we had some amazing races in a much shorter calendar with the standard format - and mercedes had a similar pace advantage as red bull has now.

Mercedes fans after 8 years of winning the constructors championship: Red Bull is dominant and something needs to be done.

Reallistically, an F1 season has more chances of being boring rather that interesting. And I've been following for a looong time.

For me personally, it's the added amount of street tracks. We are 4 races in and apart from Bahrain we haven't raced on a proper circuit yet. Which I think is weird. I remember in 2018 or something where after 4 races we had China, Bahrain and Spain (yes not all races were perfect) but the races weren't stopped by red flags because of a massive crash it was just racing with strategy being played out.

It's cause most people have unrealistic expectations after 2021

My suggestion to make F1 more interesting is to change the scoring system. For example, 1st place gets 20 points, 2nd place gets 19 and so on. Any driver that finishes the race will get his points, unless he ends up with a DNF. I have been using this method for years, and it makes my experience of following F1 way more interesting and enjoyable.

I could be taking bs, but I think there’s also some additional psychological reasons too. Yes I think that like others have said, going from one unprecedented level of dominance by MB to what will likely be another era of crazy dominance takes the wind out of the sails of the sport, especially coming off the back of 2021. But I also believe that because the community is becoming increasingly toxic among fans and some media, as well as the new and very loud fans coming in, the air and vibe around the sport has changed. Not to mention the way F1 is so aggressively pursuing change in favor of profits such as potentially making a third of the calendar sprint races, getting rid of some practice sessions, etc, again the air feels different around the sport. The community just isn’t as much of a club anymore. Just something I’ve noticed but I could just be nostalgic lol

It feels like they did not really factored in that new regulations can be horribly missed or perfetcly nailed. The cost cap would work very nicely (in fact of fairness and entertainment) if the 3 top teams are relatively equal in performance, or at least two of them - so the rest of the grid can catch up and there would be racing between "top teams". But now the cost cap kind of locks in the current state of performance, so much so that current seasons are being thrown away to ensure a better project for next season. The Cap is still a good measure and it definetly worked, its just that we all expected things to be different and now they arent.

It'll keep changing man. Nothing will replicate the feeling of the early 2000's. But, the Hypercars at WEC are pretty 🔥

This years reg change in particular has significantly reduced the ability for drivers to follow and battle, even though last year was red bull dominant there was plenty of on track battling.

so, we need to wait once every half a decade to get a decent season

I think the reason this Red Bull dominance feels different to the Mercedes dominance is that now we know it’s possible. Throughout that era, there was always that feeling of I wonder who will take down Mercedes, but in this era, now that we know streaks of dominance that long and recent are possible, with no signs of anything being different about this situation, it just feels predictable. Also, the fact that the whole intention of the rule changes was to close up the field and get us better racing, yet that’s not been achieved, makes this feel even more hopeless. I acknowledge that Mercedes weren’t held to that standard of “something needs to be done”, but I think you also have to admit that this IS different because there’s a risk of another era of dominance right after the last. There’s nothing inherently worse or more problematic about Red Bull winning so much, it’s just that it contrasts with the concerted effort to get rid of that.

Since the 2014 season the F1 feels broken to me I dont know what it is broken but isnt the same (I watch F1 since 1997) , the 21 season was really fun but it was a flash in pan.

The difference is Social Media. Apart from 2005-2009, F1 has always been dominated by some Team or Driver and we all were bored at times yes. But going online and taking a deep dive on how boring it is, amplifies our feeling of boredom.

Sometimes, I wish F1 was a spec series

Wasnt mercedes complains about purpoising regulations that made everbody change the floor and making red bull so dominant?

I feel the same and I’m struggling to think why. I’ve followed F1 since… brain hurts… 1984, when Niki took his third. And then since F1 became readily available on the telly, which must’ve been the early 90s, I was there every race. There have always been periods with one dominant team. The Schumacher era was a bad one. Senna was up there too. But now, it does actually feel different. I guess it’s because we already know the next big change, the engine rules starting 2026. As long as the rules don’t change, you can always hope that others’ll catch up. But with all the short term changes these days, it’s not worth investing in today’s formula. It’ll change soon enough anyway. And that reflects on my eagerness to watch. But it’s not just F1. The same goes for, say, music. I used to like a band or an album, and it stayed with me for life. Today I hear a song, think ‘that’s nice’ or not, and just move on. There’s no staying power.

Yeah, I agree that this season has a _something_ about it that fizzles out hype. The sprint weekend is a straight up chore.

I agree i dont like legendary circuits like Belgium to be removed or Monaco only to remain until 2025 those circuits should have life contracts and i prefer Hockenheim i love forests at Hockenheim and it should return.

I totally agree with the fact that the last generation cars looked more aggressive and meaner, whilst i still cant come to like the new aerodynamic philosophy of the new cars. I think the reason why its so much more boring now is that there are literally no fights anywhere in the field - either DRS trains or DRS overtakes with no wheel to wheel combat.

F1 has always been like this anyways, none of this is new. 2014 REGS were the same promised closer racing but then you have Mercedes finishing over a minute with no close fights and easily predictable races.

To those who KNOW, the problem has been very clear since last year: the TD39. At the beginning of last season cars were able to follow each other closely and there was a great balance between Ferrari and RB. Then what happened? Because the Mercedes car had porpousing, Wolff adopted the classic German strategy in motorsport "Our car is not competitive so instead of trying to get better we'll force them to change the rules". Because the FIA (and they have clearly proven this in the past 9 years) is Toto's bitch, BOOM they change the rules...because of a single fucking car out of 10 having some really dangerous porpousing (I am not saying that the Mercedes was the only one afflicted by the phenomenon but it was clearly the only one getting a dangerous amount of it). Wanna know the funniest part? In July, so before TD39, the teams had it figured out...porpousing was not that dramatic anymore. Meaning that if they would have had the patience to wait a couple of months more, there would have been no need of having the TD39. That rule change killed the Ferrari project and there we go, this is how we got from a super exciting new era of F1 to an absolutely awful one. With that being said, there is clearly something fishy about those RB suspensions

I went to my first GP at age 5 - the 1968 South African GP & have passionately followed the sport ever since. I've never supported a team, always the driver. This is by far the most competitive season in the hybrid era & the most exciting to watch. With all 3 world champions on the grid having already earned podium places & some of the also rans, suddenly finding pace, it can only get better.

For me I think it’s the cost cap which is impeding factor here as teams are not willing to risk anything understandably. Not in terms of development, concept change or even getting more aggressive. Innovation doesn’t come from controlled environments.

It also doesn't help that the FIA keep shortening DRS zones, which makes overtaking even harder. Not to mention the raising of ride height after Mercedes protesting last year. 2022 was a good year in terms of the cars being able to follow each other, but this was inevitably going to end after changes to ride height and floor.

I feel like redbull's punishment for breaching last years cost cap was not harsh enough...

I agree about the previous Gen. also they were way better on the breaks which is why Danny Ric was so entertaining to watch.

the rest of the field is remarkably closer together, redbull just figured out something everyone hasn’t with this straight line thing, my guess is they’ve finally landed a solid suspension squat similar to what the Mercs had a couple years ago, maybe something to look into?

to me, the f1 cars from the 2000s were so scary, you’d have to grow 2 pair of balls to even step inside the cockpit of one. and that v10 sound was the cheery on top.

Everyone should have the same setup and rely on driver skill and strategy to win races. No car should have an advantage over another. They should test the best design and setup then every team gets that exact setup. No more improvements are allowed for that year. This would also keep everyone in budget. When the year is over they can use the data to make setup changes to improve its aerodynamics, engine, suspension and braking for the following year every team now gets that setup and it's down to the drivers and team to get the most out of that car and come up with the best strategy to win. This would create much closer races and the only advantage a team would have is how skilled their driver is over another. In this current grid if all cars were equal 90% of current drivers on the grid have the ability to win on the day. Imagine watching Hass win cause their drivers were just better on the day, or Lando, Oscar, Yuki, Stroll etc

I think F1 goes through cycles it seems like. But regulations will change in 2026, not just engine ones.

It's not necessarily who is winning that makes it boring. The fact is the fastest car pulls ahead, makes a pit stop, then uses the overtake button to go past the cars that are already slower. That's all that happens in f1 every week.

As a relatively new f1 fan (started watching in 22, not dts watcher) the biggest thing that strikes out to me is how big these cars are which is what i believe hampers the racing most second to dirty air

New to f1, got into it because of drive to survive, don’t know why there is no reverse starting grid when max always qualified first and then never gives up the lead, I always turn it off if it’s halfway through and max is still in front because there is no racing happening after that lol

I totally agree about preferring the previous generation of cars (2017-2021). When these new regs came in for 2022 people assumed being able to overtake easier would improve the racing but what it leaves you with is race battles being done straight away and no faster cars being held up by the midfield.

Welcome to the year 2000 year, when Ferrari and Michael on the top step of the podium was a foregone conclusion.

I feel like DRS has become waaaay too powerful. With the powerful DRS we have at the moment it makes it harder to defend for slower cars and easier for faster cars to overtake, resulting in the same outcome every race, especially with RB’s DRS being incredibly strong.

“they just looked more like f1 cars” exactly.

I'm with you on the previous generations of cars. They looked so menacing. The tail end of the RB16b in its Monza trim was absolutely perfect. I imagine being on track and seeing the W11 in one of your wing mirrors is nightmare fuel for a driver.

Facts not feelings - - need hard core men driving - noise or loud shock and awe - scary circuits through the hills - no fake entertainment or celebrities no one knows or wants to know - sport died a long time ago

It is realistic to have crazy races, it's called Indy Car y'all. You can love your high-tech races, I do, but if you want things to be close there are options. Don't complain about F1 expecting it to change. Support another series that give you what you're looking for. You can love both.

2023: some say my races are boring. 2020: hold my beer 😮

No point starting the season just give max the championship already what’s the point of other teams even trying

I think that this year every team thats not RB looks like they already gave up. Considering the cost cap and development time bonuses for the lower places or the championship, seems like that after seeing how ungodly dominant the RB is in the first two races everyone just forfeited and focused on next year. With unlimited resources they could've tried to salvage the current season and develop for the next, but with the cost cap it's maybe smarter to not jeopardize the next year in order to gain a few places now.

At least the gap between the leader and the 2nd car is not 20-30 seconds these days. That's as competitive as it gets without giving everyone the same car.

i miss 2006-2010 where it was a different champion for 5 years in a row, good times man

I wouldn't say that F1 has necessarily gotten boring, but I do believe it's a bit more predictable now than what it was in the last decade or so. I guess it really depends on how an F1 season goes. For an example the 2020 season may have been another season where Lewis Hamilton dominated the championship, however there where plenty of dramatic thing that has happen in that season that made it a great season! Like Pierre Gasly's maiden victory to Roman Grosjean's big fiery crash. Now I don't expect every season to be unpredictable for who wins the races or the championship... but if we get some memorable moments like what I mentioned, then it would make a racing season worthwhile of our time.

The best era of F1 was 2007-2013. Lewis, Vettel, the return of Michael, Alonso losing at ferrari. Don’t forget about Pastor. Nothing will beat it.

the problem is very simple, the cars are too big. there isn't enough space to fight in most zones of the track, and by having big cars you give a lot of possible downforce being generated which increases the gap between the frontrunners and the rest of the field. if we wanna see more competition we gotta have smaller cars like 2009.

We had Schumi, Seb, Lewis, and now Max

As a Hamilton fan, i was also bored of him winning sometimes, but at least there was usually another close team or teammate. It's just that right now your know who is going to win without a doubt. Not Max's fault. Just a product of the regulations.

I know what you mean about the previous cars. They looked meaty and high tech. The 2022 ones look, kinda cheap.

Get rid of DRS wing, then we get more racing, not boring change of places. It's not funny or intersting, if we can see overtake to happen 10 sec before overtake.

I just wonder why no one complained about the HAM dominance. Or is it now BECAUSE merc / HAM didn‘t dominate anymore… ?

Brother this is exactly what happened from 2018-2020

I think the biggest difference between RB and Mercedes dominance is the personality of the drivers involved. Hamilton is a showman he likes to be the center of attention and when he was winning he put on an amazing show. Max is not a showman he's almost clinical. This difference compounded with the fact that Max hasn't had a teammate that was even close to his equal makes this season seem boring because its not that one team is gonna win every race its that one driver is going to win every race.

I am both a fierce F1 and cyclingfan. I fear that F1 is becoming a soap more and more. Also Pers, you are becoming more and more an old-timer like me. We don't mind that the team that does the best job, gets the rewards

oh please we just had an 8 year all Mercedes dominance.. I can only wish Red Bull stays on top that long

Ive watched F1 for over 20 years and it just feels now that its become too much about gossip and drama off track and less about the racing. There needs to be a real shake up to get fans back on side, I can take or leave watching it now which is a real shame

I think the cost cap has caused this too, the field would have tightened up at the front a lot quicker if the top teams weren’t hampered by the cost cap

where to watch 2012 f1 complete season ?

Dominant eras become longer and longer. A dominant era back in the 50s 60s 70s and 80s lasted 3 or 4 years max, now it last 6 to 8 years. This is getting a serious crap to watch.

As a newer fan, I dont get why they change the regulations constantly. What I mean by that is that in 2021 you had 3 teams fighting for wins… and then they change the regulations which puts everyone back to zero.

I too prefer the last gen cars. Not just the way they looked but the way they drove. So smooth and with the right driver, seemed like was on rails.

It almost feels like this is going to be a year that doesn't deserve nostalgia. I'm sure some people will look back fondly on these days, but I can't ever see myself looking at this year and longing for it again.

Tbh I don't really get the point of that tweet, for me the Mercedes era felt exactly like Red Bull's now.

Its great that a team has unlocked The secrets to This era and more tams will cash up later and we will get that rise of the underdog and fall of the king story that we all loved at the end of 2021. The wait for the teams to catch up is just gonna make the real fight more exciting then that happens

We will never have a close title battle guaranteed, unless we have a spec series with equal cars for everyone. However, we talk about sprint races being unpopular, but man, this would be a whole different level. I think the new regs are working, we are seeing closer racing, but only further down the grid where the live cameras do not point some of the time.

Thank you! I prefer the look of the previous gen cars.

Top teams will float to the top given enough track time. Maybe one shot qualifying could bring some variability again

Idk man, seems like 2021 was just a big exception. This is F1, same as it's been for most of the last 20 years (with the late '00s being the other exceptional time)

i honestly think we need to have more actual races in the beginning of the season like we could have gone back to fuji or something like that in the china break

I started following F1 in 2016. My first years in F1 were all about Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton and I hated both and wanted nothing more than for them to lose. I went through 4 years of hating Mercedes and Lewis and when Max and Red Bull came along in 2021 I supported them without question. In hindsight, I realise how foolish I was. Lewis Hamilton is an amazing driver and a great person too that I should never have hated, and Mercedes should be praised for being able to make some of the greatest F1 cars in history. Now, we have had Red Bull dominate for 4 races, and already people are going crazy. I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon, I got over my hatred of Mercedes and Lewis, I'm not just going to join the crowd and start hating on Max and Red Bull. The FIA shouldn't do anything to mke Red Bull slower, they should encourage other teams to speed up for the sake of the sport.

F1 cars tends to change between being complex and basic design. I loved 2008 cars and they were more complex than early 2000s design, and there's a huge difference with the 2009 regulations, but then the cars keep getting more complex until 2013, then in 2014 they become simple again, until 2017 where they got more complex, and so on. I hope that, if this regulation is failing to attempt what they wanted (close racing), they could change the regulations to make cars complex again.

Major rule changes widen the field, it always happens. They eventually converge again, just in time for another major rule change. The change to the ride height successfully lobbied for by Merc has ruined the whole point of the ‘22 regs so now the cars can’t follow closely, and even if they could, the slipstream is reduced. Throw in shortening the DRS, and you have Baku 2023.

The best driver finally got the best car. This is the result. Expect it to continue.

If one car is miles better than the rest this is what happens williams, schumachers ferrari era, merc hybrid era its up to the others to catch up, it will never happen but it would be great if they stripped the cars down to bare bones essentially a supercharged go-cart harder to drive with emphasis on whos the best driver not the best car

I do preffer the old design those cars looked good

As someone who started watching f1 in 2016 I really saw Max evolve and I wanna see him win several titles but I also wanna say he beat Alonso, Hamilton, Russell, Leclerc, Norris, etc in one on one or multiple car championship battles

They really fucked the 2022 mid season rule change. It basically hurt every team but redbull.

Perez doesn't receive the same vital information as Maxs strategist on his side of the Garage on Checos Radio

I as an engineer myselfi praise redbull engineers the same way i praised merc engineers And ofc everyones job is to make a better car and catchup But if we wanna make precedents Horner and marko complained for 8 years banning every merc strong point till 2021 where they stripped down the whole car Example of the banned legal devices: das, engine modes(every team had those but honda power units), brake docks, rims, floor edges, changing the tires to nor suit merc, ... Even in 2000s fia tried to nerf ferrari and 1990s they tried to nerf williams Idk why now f1 fans want to make it that banning devices or changing the rules is not acceptable After all politics between teams make up a big factor and every team tries to makes whats the best for them

I prefer how the cars look now, I've never been keen on the overcomplicated look - now they're looking much more organic and much sleeker and less 'noisy' to look at

Throughout Miami GP race i kept asking myself whether i should switch off and do something else.

I think 2021 just spoiled us.

Just like MB was penalized with changes to the cars every season, its time to do the same to RB, like add weight in accordance to your finishing position and 25% of cfd tine only for the season

Bizarre doesn't describe it. We are 4 races in but we have the top 2 in Red Bull actually battling for the title. Aston vs Ferrari vs Mercedes for best of the rest, and a pretty tight midfield. Honestly, I think the reason for this is A. Hype after 2021. B. A 4 week break making us too eager for a banger of a race. C. Too many street circuits where cars can't overtake due to their sheer size.

been watching f1 since 1988/89, in that time till now there's been several consecutive winners and in the time before that there was also consecutive winners. hell, Fangio won the second wdc, skipped 1 or 2 years then took another 4 in a row and that was at the very start of the sport. F1 as we know it , IS a dominance sport as like you said "Eras" is what we have rather than different winners baton passing the trophy to each other. there's been exactly 17 drivers that won at least 2 wdc and 17 drivers that only ever won 1. so 56 out of the 73 total wdc won by the same 17 drivers. it's literally how the sport functions, and always has functioned. if you wanna speak margins of races remining whilst the title was already secured, max's best was 4 races remaining something MSC did like 3 or 4 times, and MSC best was 6 remaining races. mansell is in that top margin as well, i think it was 4 or 5 remaining races.

Well, that's what I say, the F1 is not the Pinnacle of the Motorsport like people say, it's the extreme opposite, it represents everything that we don't like in motorsport, like dominance, lack of overtaking, estrict rules, bad racing direction, etc. If you want to experience what motorsport really is, there are other categories, like Formula Indy, Formula E, WEC/IMSA, WRC, RallyCross, etc.

The problem goes beyond Max and RB simply being too dominant. The core issue is the sport slowly following the path of overexposure, with its management trying to push new convoluted formats and 30 yearly races. Combine that with new tech regulations that don't quite deliver on their promises, a large gap between the frontrunners and the rest of the teams, the ongoing push towards half-baked street circuits and well... it just makes everything feel less special

These circles happens. And, as we saw, F1 and FIA are always ready to mix up the cards. Unfortunately they don't always manage to change the result.

Started 2016 and loved it. Had some great seasons but this season is just meh. Atleast the Mercedes era had rosberg vs hamilton. Now we only got one winner. Im mainly into WEC right now, love the racing.

This, perspective, seems to be only looking at positions 1-4, which isn't watching a race. There are fights everywhere, in the rest of the 18 cars. Media has focused only on the 1/2/3 positions, even live. Second year in is just getting started. though , I agree, the previous gen was very much more aesthetically pleasing.

IMO, the budget cap may be in the way of letting the teams who can afford it, catch up

If f1 wants it to be less boring make it a spec series and have a reverse grid at certain races and let the fans have a input on the race calendar

Interesting take because personally I enjoy the larger wheels and the more sleek whale shark looking cars we have now, just wish they were smaller

I still like Formula 1, but sometimes I think the sport is overrated at times. I can accept mid or boring races and domination because that’s always gonna happen in sports. If y’all wanna watch an open wheel series that has amazing racing, I recommend IndyCar to literally anybody! It sucks that this year hasn’t been good tho with the lack of competition due to the current regulations.

2021 was the exception not the rule. There has only ever been a handful of seasons in F1 that have truly had a title fight, even in those seasons certain cars dominated on certain circuits. Even in 2021 we had a few battle between max and Lewis but for the most part it was either max running away with the lead or Lewis running away with the lead. F1 has never been great at wheel to wheel racing, there is just too much dirty air, that’s just fact. Indy car, v8 super cars and moto GP by far have always had way better racing. The only way to help racing in F1 is to make multiple strays viable and to reduce downforce. Which seems like it will never happen. The tires are also to damn durable. The tires need to be set up in a way that the two stop and one stop are viable together.

If this was 1988, Maxie would be Prost and Senna and Perez would be Berger 😂