Don't listen to people with opinions, listen to people with experience, got it. Thank you very much. Great video.

I learned more in that 23 min video clip, then in hours of googling. Thanks Moggy

"Don't listen to people with opinion. Listen to people with experience" Nicely said. A great video. Didn’t think I would listen to the finish, but I did. Great job! Thank you 🙏

After hearing this I am going to change my charging habits. 80% is better than I thought for what I am doing. Great information video.

We have a Chevy volt that is 10 years old and has 40,000 miles on it. We are officially an elderly couple and very rarely drive beyond the range of the batteries. We live in town and 90% of our driving is within a 20 mile round trip. If we anticipate driving farther than the range of the batteries we put the car in mountain mode . This mode essentially guarantee that the battery doesn't get down all the way on the trip before the small gas engine kicks in and starts charging the batteries. GM wants the gas engine to be used at least 10 minutes every month anyway and and has this programmed into the system. Once in a while I let the car run the batteries down until the engine kicks in in normal mode to check on battery degradation. So far we have noticed no degradation that we can notice. The car has given us 40000 trouble free miles and has so far shown no evidence of body corrosion. At this rate and our very senior driving style we anticipate this car should, barring an accident, last us the rest of our lives. Given our low electricity rates it only costs us $1.50 to drive 50 miles which ain't bad. And you guys are correct, there's an awful lot of misinformation out there concerning electric cars from people who never owned or driven one.

I’m a new EV driver and this video taught me so much. Thanks a million!

Moggy is FANTASTIC!!!! Cuts through the nonsense and explains things so simply and so well. The perfect guest. Well done 👏🏻 👏🏻👏🏻

This should be on a DVD with one's new EV with the manual. Something simple that new owners can watch to get them going. Actually, just READ the car's manual. It is spelled out clearly... (...what manual?)

My favorite battery charging explanation was "Imagine a giant double decker stadium and the top deck is full and the bottom deck is empty. All the people represent electrons. A whistle blows and everyone scrambles to get to the bottom deck. At first there are big bottle necks, then the flow starts stabilizing. The deck starts to fill up fast till you get to the final 20%. After you get to the final 20%, most seats are occupied and people spend more time wandering around looking for an empty seat. The less seats left available the harder it is for the "electrons" to find a "hole" to sit down in so it takes longer.

As they say, every day is a day at school, that was an education. BRILLIANT, 'Don't Listen to people with Opinions, Listen to People with Experience' thanks Moggy best advice I've heard in over 50 years !! 👍

I've specialized in batteries for 25 years now and it really is an annoying career because so many people want to tell me how much more they know about batteries than I do. Unfortunately the vast majority of them have 10 pounds of opinion and 2 pounds of knowledge.

This guy knows his stuff. This guy also builds and sells batteries for a living. Would have liked to see a debate format.

I ran a Nissan eNV200 as a nationwide same day courier. Nissans are not noted for their battery longevity, they use old tech and very rudimentary thermal management (although unlike the Leaf at least the eNV has some). But after 130,000 miles in just 2 years and a huge number of rapid charges (sometimes as many as 5 a day) it still retained 90% of it's original battery capacity and therefore range. I was more than happy with a vehicle which would still be perfectly serviceable beyond 250 or perhaps even 300,000 miles with minimal repair costs, so I've stuck with an EV and wouldn't go back to a combustion car as a daily driver if you paid me.

I am an old git but you're never too old to learn. Very intuitive and it has me thinking. Keep up the good work both you and moggy. 👍👍 a thumbs up each 😄

I was debating for months now if I should buy an electric car as my new drive. This video absolutely convinced me that it's time to go electric. Thank you! Tesla Model 3 ordered.

this video was very informative and helpful , l am tossing up wether to buy electric or stick with an engine and all the questions i had regarding electric cars you have just answered many thanks , one more piece of advice please i am thinking about the mokka e , what do you think i watched your review on it any advice would be appreciated many thanks Derek.

I have the Tesla Model 3 SR+ 2021 made in china. That means it has the LFP battery. According to what I have read I should expect 1 million miles out of the battery. This means it will last me, at my currency utilization, approximately 100 years. My biggest concern is whether my great great grand children will be able to find a replacement that will fit the car in 2123. Keeps me up at night I can tell you!

I took a BMW i3 as a company car back in January 2017 and over the following 4 years racked up 110K miles. Since its main use was a 160+ mile round trip commute, it was frequently getting charged from below 20% back up to 100% twice a day (overnight at home and at work) on an AC charger and I saw very little deterioration in range over that period of time. I did not rapid charge it very often, mainly because of the limited availability at the time.

Great vid. Own a bolt from Jan 6th 2017. Only had 7% loss from 130k miles before warranty battery from the recall for fires. I believe the first 4-5 % was first year in 30k miles, so it slows way down. Also I have my car timed to be a full charge 1hr before I leave for work. It is never fully charged for long periods of time. If i didnt need the whole battery, or most of it , I would only charge to 80%. Those 2 items also help for a long battery life.

Thank you for bringing balance into this debate I am a petrol head and was completely anti ev till I watched this. What a pleasure to listen to the views of a properly knowledgeable person. Wanna search for any videos of the conversations that this company is active with

Even without battery temperature management our 2013 Renault Zoe 22Kw got to nearly 100,000 miles and the battery loss was only 9% from new so not too bad either and although we have now sold it (2 years ago) its still going fine as I keep in touch with the new owners.

You can charge an LFP battery to 100%. Due to the different chemistry they're not as energy dense but they can be charged to 100% without the fear of excessive degradation and don't suffer the same fire risks. LFP batteries are currently used in the smaller battery pack EV variants.

Absolutely brilliant.. We've just acquired a new Kia Niro EV for our son on his motability scheme. I'm now much more confident we made a good choice. Thanks guys.

Thanks from a Canadian viewer. Excellent, unbiased information. Appreciate you simplifying things for me.

Very well explained totally agree with everything he’s said, I’ve just passed my level 3 in IMI EV maintenance just to add you can change the cells individually to take your battery back up to 100 percent More cost effective than changing the whole batter, EVs are great it’s the infrastructure that needs to catch up

Excellent piece. I love the concept of don't listen to opinion, listen to experience. Says it all

Great and informative video for me as im looking to maybe buy the new BYD seal AWD which has byds new blade battery in but nervous about the future ie how long it lasts for ? what if you are driving through extremely heavy rain with deep surface water is this going to kill the car ? Are the motors and battery fully sealed, waterproof ? would be interested in some facts please. Many thanks.

Watched a few videos now with this guy from wales. He’s a legend with EV knowledge & what he can convert. This is the way forward for many.👍

Brilliant video. Thank you for taking the time to do this. What a great knowledge Moggy has and he is able to explain things in understandable ways to the techno spanners (me). Will definitely go and search out his website now.

Cracking video. So.. where I am now. Electric cars are fast, reliable and practical. The problem is the infrastructure. If only the UK had a proper Government that cared about things like that instead of lining their own pockets.

Thank you for the information!! As a Volvo XC40 Recharge owner in the US I found this so interesting and powerful!!! Be well....

Great video. Clear and knowledgeable explanations. Thank you!

My issue is the infrastructure - we are not allowed to charge an EV at home and there are no chargers within 5 miles (and they are also never working). As my wife is disabled we cannot ever have an EV, and it looks like this will be an issue in many flats/social housing as well

Another great video, as always Moggy is able to use simple comparisons between ‘combustion engine’ terminology and how that equates to the electric world. The interaction and banter between the two of you, is always fun to watch. Keep up the good work - both of you.

What a wonderfully comprehensive conversation!

great to have videos with the people that re-use second hand EV batteries! And fascinating to hear that the problem facing lithium battery recyclers is that the batteries are staying in use and so there are very few needing recycled!

Moggy always explains stuff so well and in an easy to understand way. Hopefully cleared up some myths as well

Pedro, this video was Goldilocks! Great to have straight talk from credible experts. Shout out to Moggy and crew. Really miss Vintage Voltage, have cycled through both seasons a couple times.

Hi, very nice 20min, learned a lot! Thank you! I would like you to address the LFP. can/should we recharge to 100%, everyday or once a week, fast charging... and so on. It would ve very interesting a comparison between standard litium and LFPs. Thank you!

Great video guys. No nonsense expert advice. That's exactly what we need. Keep up the good work.

Brilliant, thank you. I'll be sharing this about. When I was considering a new car at the beginning of 2023, I came across your channel & it really helped in the decision-making process. Your critical but balanced view was extremely helpful. In June, took delivery of a BMW iX1 (I am or rather was a Brit -thank you, Brexit - and I do live in Bavaria). I hadn't even sat in any EV before the showroom handover. Now you couldn't get me to even consider an ICE again, although at 69, I don't expect to need to buy another car again. Yes, expensive, and I had to make compromises (towing weight), but the driving pleasure now in 2023, is even greater than when I got my first used £300, 6 Volt VW Beetle based, Beach Buggy in 1972. One of the nicer explanations of the 0-100% charging issues was comparing it to a multi-storey car park at a shopping centre: early on Saturday morning you drive in and straight into a bay, as morning progresses you need to search about & by 11am you are spending ages driving around to find a slot. That's the process that happens when you charge - ions find their way easily to start with and then increasingly have to slow down to dock into a cell. And for the battery degradation, it's like a well poured, unfiltered Bavarian wheat beer: the Battery with its gross/net capacity is the same as the large foam head and the last centimetre at the bottom of the glass with the yeast that you don't drink - and this is where the degradation largely takes place, especially in the first 5-10 years, not in the main body. Greetings to Sussex - I last lived near Petworth, so nice to watch some of your reviews just for the scenery!

Gained a lot of respect for you over these last couple ev videos. You are keeping an open mind, but also a healthy dose of ev skepticism. Combined with your own real use experiences and very honest open conversations with actual industry experts. Top shelf stuff imo. 👍🏻😎

Just sold my Leaf at 10 yers old and 55k miles. Lost about 15% of its capacity only. Was very reliable. Only real problem with it was that it never had much range when new so not much less 15% was hard to live with except for very local journeys. This won't be a problem for the current generation of EVs as they all come with bigger batteries.

Addressed nearly every question/concern that I’ve had. Thank you!

Love your perspective. Im a total petrohead, love the sound of a cross plane crank or 3 rotor engine. I also love electricity too. Id rather use a 3ph pressure washer than deal with a diesel driven pump. Same with yard tools and power tools, rather use ego 56v yard tools than small gas. My cheap model 3 fits the bill for commuting and convenience. Diversity works for financial portfolio and I think it applies to cars too, 3x f150 seems as stupid and 3x teslas. Americans are lucky to be able to afford multiple cars tho. Appreciate gearheads like you being openinded.

Had a Leaf from new for 4 years, done 80k miles in it and home charge to 100% most nights. Battery at 92% capacity using Leaf spy and has been for the last year. They seem to lose around 5% in the first year and then 1% each year after that. Im told it will plateau at around 90% for the next 100k miles then it's performance will start to drop off faster. But the useful life will be around 250k +. I can live with that as im saving £2500 a year on diesel after paying for the electricity. Its also a pleasure to drive with the smoothness of a Jaguar and id know cos ive owned 6 of them.

Great video, really loved it guys genuine info from seasoned people in the know, total respect to you.

Excellent explanation for novices. Since LFP batteries are gaining ground very fast, could you do a short video to explain best chargindg habits bewtween LFP and NMC chemistry in batteries?

So glad to see a proper petrol head like Ped busting these myths. The Fully Charged Show does the same, but they're usually preaching to the converted. Ped's audience is the one that really needs to be re-educated. (I'm a 72 year old life-long petrol head myself)

Lifelong petrolhead but now an EV convert. Dubious green issues aside, they are great as a daily driver, fast, smooth quiet. Still keep a classic ICE for weekends mind ;)

THANK you for this great video Pete! Moggy is really my new hero, such a great guy!

Really informative video guys, I love watching Vintage Voltage, it spurred me to get my 2018 BMW i3 Rex, it only let's the battery charge to 80% and discharge to 20% by default, plus the active heating/cooling of the battery pack also helps, I've seen BMW i3's with 330,000km on the clock with 85% battery capacity left, how can you argue with that?? 🔋😁

That was the first information I have seen about batteries where someone actually knew what they were talking about. So informative and valuable. Really appreciate the effort than you. Totally changed my opinion about electric cars. Right though about electric motors, I was a maintenance a reliably chartered engineer in in the oil industry for over 40 years, loved the maintenance free electric motors and hated reciprocating drivers.

Great video! Super happy I found your channel! We are on our 2nd EV...first one was a 2023 Kona EV - we put 48,000km on it in 10 months! Fantastic car...we now have an Ioniq 5 AWD Ultimate trim and it is a lovely car! I am a car guy and love to drive and still have a couple of classics and a Toyota RAV4....they barely get driven! The EV gets all the attention! Yes I struggle with discussions with people who have opinions on EV's but 0 experience. In any case we will never buy another ICE vehicle....the EV gets the win! Cheers Mike

Brilliant. I love the barrell analogy

Lovely video. Thank you for this. One question. It is said that the best way to make a battery last long is to homecharge it with a 7 kwt charger. How would charging with a 11 kwt or even a 22 kwt charger, that is quite more timeefficient, influence the battery over time compared to the 7 kwt?

This is very helpful. Learned a few things...didnt think batteries could be refurbed, for some reason. ...also, i was under the impression that having your battery charged to 100 all the time was good for it! I presume that applies to phones as well. Unlike my kids , i keep a phone till it doesnt work....

I like to explain EV reliability by comparing it to vacuum cleaner or refrigerator reliability. Even my lawn mower is electric, starts every time without fail, and never serviced. Batteries and battery management were a let down, but most makes of vehicles have brought up the reliability tremendously.

Info that may help someone. My wife owns Nissan Leaf 2016, 30kWh and 250.000km (156.000mi). SOH of the battery fell to 58%, range about 80km (50mi), in sub zero temperature it doesn't work at all. This car battery was abused, charged mostly on quick chargers, overheated randomly since it was a test vehicle for charging stations repairs and testing. Dealer wanted over 30,000€ for a new battery so I bought it cheaply. I guess, it would easily do 300,000 miles if used properly. I'm replacing the cells with slightly used ones from VW ID4, all materials will cost me about 2,500€. Maybe I'll use the leftover cells for home storage. Nissan Leafs are good for commuting to work and home, not meant for long travels. Batteries would be good, but they lack thermal management. This video is very informative and a must watch for every EV owner.

This video is a breath of fresh air compared to the endless number of those floating around the web spouting gloom and doom. Very thorough. Not a lot of detail or experience with extreme temperatures (ie freezing cold), but a giant step forward in spreading truth rather than fiction. Thank you. I’m sending links to glass half empty friends.

My 2015 Tesla Model S 75D had a new range listed at 240 miles. It now has a range of 220 miles.Thats 8.3 % less in 8 years and 102k miles

I had no idea these batteries are 100% recyclable, this is great to hear. Only driving 6K per year it would make sense for me to get a battery car but I'm still not feeling confident enough with the infrastructure but I am sure I will have to make the move in the coming years. Great video and love Moggy's passion.

Very informative video, thank you. My first EV was a 10 year old Peugeot Ion and its battery was degraded to 70% of its original capacity. In town use you could get max 60 miles in summer and half that in winter, or less if you really caned the heater. Needless to say I always charged it to 100%! I now have a new e-Up with 32kWh battery. I still charge it to 100% because the winter range is only 110 miles and I find charging is a faff (wet dirty cable in the dark, ugh) and b) it's a lease car so it's someone else's problem when I'm done with it. In reality it will be the third or fourth owner at 8 to 10 years old who might find it's slightly more degraded than one that's been lovingly wrapped in cotton wool and kept between 20 and 80% all its life. But by the sound of this video we're talking a few percentage points not double digits degradation... so who cares.

The best advice I have heard in a long time and it applies to everything not just electric cars; "Don't listen to opinions, Listen to experience." Very well said! Thank you.

A very informational video Sir Pete! Thank you for doing this. I do have a coworker who owns a Tesla and had to spend 16k to fix his Tesla plaid 😮 you can buy a good used car truck or suv for that

I have and know many people with electric cars. No-one moans about batteries (degradation) except perhaps charge speeds at rapid/ultra chargers (over 50kw/h), but that's because the software is looking after the battery. If they moan about anything it's usually the software on the infotainment or the need to override the lane-assist (NCAP related) which usually isn't fit for purpose for many British roads. That'd be the same for modern petrol cars.

Enjoyed the video My went up £155,I used Flow now rebranded Alianz,best quote.For go compare,what a rip off,wouldn't use them.wendy.

Great to hear those good points . One inconvenient truth that wasn’t mentioned was the subject on fire hazard. Thermal runaway is not talked about enough and it should be. Apart from being nearly impossible to extinguish the hazard from the fumes are extremely toxic.

I do forklifts which use L-Ion batteries in some cases. We are planning to use the batteries for ten years across two five year leases with some customers. This is allowing for a daily discharge/recharge including use in cold stores ( -22 degrees C).

Great vid Pete !! It’s nice to get a real expert like Moggy’s opinion on charging / batteries etc. 👍🏻🇨🇦

Thank you, I cannot afford an EV, but I found this very interesting and i would go to people who have knowledge of their subject

Yes, brilliant of you all engineers and experts on batteries, a million thanks. You folks have calmed the innocent down, someone like me. Thank you again!

Probably should have read the Tesla warranty - the battery will be replaced if it falls below 70%. The company specifies its batteries will retain at least 70 percent of their original capacity (also known as 30 percent degradation) during the warranty period (typically 8 years). Moreover, it is more or less normal to suffer 5% degradation in the first year of normal use and thereafter it can vary due to a number of factors. By the way for a model Y the EPA rating is 212 miles which is only 340 km. In other words as long as the vehicle, which is rated by Tesla at 303 miles, can do 212 miles its covered. Now place that vehicle in a hot climate or a cold climate and you'll find the 212 miles drops further. I can tell you from personal experience of a model 3 in both a hot and cold country, by using aircon you can severely impact performance by as much as 30% e.g. in the case of the model Y (with degrade battery), you might be down to a range of 150 miles or 240km. In my case I can tell you in northern Sweden I could barely get 200 miles when new, let alone with a degraded battery (I moved it on in less than a year). Honesty is important in these discussions and your mate has a clear conflict of interest.

It may be coming but I have to say I will be sticking to the ICE for as long as possible, although at my age a quality ICE or EV may well outlast me. I did 235,000 miles in my vivaro van before selling it to an old colleague who, instead of using it for bits for one of his vans actually continued to use mine. The only other issue for me is that I would like to do up a van for touring, which would have leisure batteries for general use, likely charged by the alternator rather than PV (although may have some PV too). If it was an electric van I would either need to carry a generator and some fuel or I would need to recharge as I travel, which in some locations may not be an option. As an electrical engineer I can confirm that the degradation of the batteries is about right, we generally request no more than 10% loss over a ten year period for UPS systems in the data centre design. There is only the one major drawback for EV cars and that is infrastructure, a place to charge if you live in flats etc where there may not be sufficient access to your own charger. Perhaps we will achieve levitation too so that they can be charged from your balcony 😂

Great video with a great tone. Thanks Moggy for charismatic answers.

great vid. loved Moggy's explanations. he made it so much easier to understand.

BYD requires LFP batteries to be charged to 100% every six months documented in the service manual as regular maintenance. Edit: ...in order to recalibrate the BMS.

Great presentation and on-air chemistry! For next in the series can we ask: 1) When will charging speeds fill a deplenished EV vehicle in under 5 minutes? 2) Best methods to put out an EV battery fire.

Very intuitive vid guys, will due to the ev heavier weight , will crap roads ,tyres , brakes suspension and steering parts wear quicker than a conventional vehicle ?? Allowing for annual 12 k mixed distance driving at a leisurely pace ( rarely kicking down and very little harsh braking )

What a great video. Thank you! I could have happily watched for an hour! My uninsulated garage (Canada) goes well below freezing during winters and well above 30°C during summers. I store all my batteries (ebike, snowblower, etc) indoors. How badly would this environment impact an ev?

We have a second hand BMW i3 with over 100,000km and nearly 10 years old. Recent battery test showed 97% of new capacity. A good battery management and cooling system makes all the difference :)

What about short charging? If I am at 40% and need to go on a long drive, do I charge it to 80/90% before leaving or do I wait to drop to 20% and then charge it on the road? Thank you for the useful video!

Highly informative, tells it straight, no technical jargon, thanks Moggy

What an outstanding discussion of these two.

After dealing with industrial machines id think the inverters/electronics are more likely to have a shorter lifespan than the battery packs themselves

Another excellent video Pedro! Now it all makes a lot more sense. I love the way Moggy explains everything so well and the fact that he has a passion for classic cars and is converting them to EV speaks volumes, he wouldn't do it if it didn't work long term and the maths didn't stack up. I've not been a huge EV fan up to now but that video has increased my faith quite a bit. Also, if eventually it's difficult to run an ICE vehicle due to lack of fuel supply I can always convert my Honda powered Rally Landcrab I'm currently building to electric to keep it going.

Great stuff! I am a bit confused about the “Keep your charge between 20-80% to prolong battery life”, because my Tesla Model Y 2023 with a LFP battery, warns me when I set the limit to 80%. It says I should charge to 100% at least once a week. Should I ignore this to save the battery? Thanks for this video - it cleared up much of the confusion.

Thank you for this, I’m looking at either a hybrid or plug-in hybrid for the first time after decades of driving a petrol car. Am I correct in assuming the same principles apply regarding charging a plug-in hybrid as an EV?

My wifes Smart ForFour EQ will be 4 years old in September, it has currently done 22k. As we have recently purchased it I had a battery condition report done by Mercedes for peace of mind. The print out showed it still has 96% of its original battery capacity and all individual cells were in top condition. I would recommend that any purchaser of a used EV car insists on a battery condition report at time of purchase.

Great video Ped very informative and it was so easy to understand for those of us of advanced years and thanks to Moggy

Spot on observations, our 2016 Tesla X P100 w/140k miles gets 249mi range vs 260mi when new- as predicted. Had many naysayers tell me it would die after 100k miles, battery would be shot, etc etc and so far, it’s been the best running, most reliable car we’ve ever owned. We have 2 Model X’s and no plans to ever part with them. Also own ICE vehicles so I’m no Tesla sellout- just pragmatic car owners.

Thank you for the clarification about EVs. Great info. Does anyone know what OBD works well with EVs

I think its more where the lithium comes from and how it is mined that is the problem as well as fire risk and charge times.

Great video, Pedro. You and Moggy have a great rapport. 😊 One thing Moggy forgot to mention, though, is the difference between gross battery capacity and useable battery capacity. Most EVs have batteries with built-in top and bottom buffers to protect the battery from ever being 100% full or 100% empty. Another reason degradation is now so low. For example, the Tesla Model 3 long-range has a gross capacity of 82kWh, but the useable capacity is 75kWh.

Brilliant, I bought a second hand Kia Soul. My wife and I fight over who is driving. We only get 135 store even in the summer but that is no problem. Just about everywhere we want to go is well within range. We love going up hills, because we know the battery will recharge going down the other side! We learned that lesson when we were up the top of welsh mountain at 11o'clock at night, when the forecast said we only had 15 miles in the battery, yet the satnav said we had 22 to go. We arrived at the hotel with still 8 miles. Big, big, heave of relief! We charge using the granny and have no problems (although the garage said we would), timed for when our solar is good.

First time in a long time I have watched a video on UKposts and totally informative as an electrician the content was brilliant and cooling the batteries is key. I have a hybrid and my battery is checked and it passes every year

The team over at Electric Classic Cars are brilliant! Thank you for making the time and effort to produce this video.

Brilliant! There is a ton of anti-EV nonsense on UKposts and other media right now which needs challenging and correcting. As the man says 'talk to people who have experience of owning an EV'.

had to watch it twice for the good info, I was enjoying the chemistry between these two guys too much!!

Brilliant. Very informative. Bought a Tesla Model Y LR la year ago. Looks like it will out last me….