Great comparison. The thing that’s sad is none of these features matter if the audiologist isn’t capable/knowledgeable with the product. I believe it’s time for manufacturers to require audiologists be trained with their products before being allowed to dispense them. Also the audiologists be required to have specific equipment and software in their practice in order to achieve maximum prescription targets for patients, making real ear measurements mandatory in fittings. Just like car dealerships are required to have certain equipment from manufacturers to perform maintenance services.

I just got a pair of oticons and love them.

I tried both for 2 weeks each. In noise, like a restaurant, the Oticon real is so much better in separating speech from background noise. The lumity is not even close. In a quiet environment they are similar.

I recently bought Oticon Real 1 hearing aids. My audiologist recommended them when I asked about music quality. I also read Apple Music has the best music streaming quality, if you’re looking for a huge music library to choose from. Last week I bought a new Sonos Era 100 speaker to complete the system. Oticon, Apple Music, and Sonos have given me hearing I had 30 years ago! My home office never sounded so good! I appreciate all the collaboration in technology to overcome hearing loss.

I got my Phonak Lumity from the VA Medical Center! They have helped me a lot!!! Great Dr at the Hampton VA too!

Apple Watch compatibility for Oticon Real was released last week. With the Companion update. Also there is a 1.4.3 firmware update available. Probably released after you recorded this video. Good job btw

I like the thoroughness and lack of hype - much appreciated!

I’m trying to get more info on the Nadia Lumity vs Oticon Exceed or whatever else is next in their lineup for severe to profound loss.

Thanks for your video. I have the P90 lumity. I would rather the hearing aids corrected the hearing loss as much as possible. Kind of like how glasses work not a 100% but close. Then there really wouldn't be a need for Bluetooth functions or streaming. Definitely like these options they do help. Hopefully there more advancement in hearing corrections. With either aids or regeneration. Your videos an other's help us make informed decisions.

I originally purchased phonak OTC hearing aid years ago but wasn’t satisfied with their performance. Another audiologist from a different group was recommended and she put me in Signia hearing aids with domes. I wasn’t satisfied and then she suggested molds. I used the mold for a while but was getting a lot of feedback and still had issues with them too. Now I’m back to domes, but my hearing seems to be getting progressively worse. Is Signia a good brand. Could another brand be more effective? I now simply leave the conversation once more than 3 other people join in. I’m desperate to find a better solution than what I have. What would you suggest for me to do?

Nice comparison job, Dr. Cliff

I live your channel. I suffer with extreme tinnitus. Left ear being the worst. I just got my Phonak replacing my Starkey, which wasn't 😢 great. I'm excited to learn of Lenire. However, it is way out of my price range. Do you know of any trial programs for this device?

Great comparison. Ty!

excellent contrast/comparison! Will you be doing a Phonak vs Signia AX anytime soon?

Thanks! This is exactly what I was wondering about.

I have Phonak Lumity Life. I also review police camera video for a local police department. My desktop does not have Bluetooth, though it can be added with a BT USB device. Which would give me better sound (All Voice/Talking) into my hearing aides? Adding a BT USB device to my PC or connecting the Phonak TV streamer to my PC desktop. Please advise...thanks

You speak good and fast I understood every word and my background is Chinese👍

I've had the Lumity Life 90 since January (1st time wearer), it is really good for me. I got mine through the VA. When I have my next appointment, I am going to ask for the active vent receiver and custom mold. I miss hearing bass, and domes don't do much for that aspect. Hoping for the titanium.

I'd sure like to see a comparison between either of these (or both) and the new Starkey Genesis AI.

Ah hey doc that reminds me I meant to ask you does the my phonak app finally have disposable battery indicators or is it still for rechargeable only?

Thanks for another great video. This comparison is just what I was looking for. I have been using 4 year old Resounds from Costco, and I thought with my profound hearing loss that either the Oticon Real or Phonak Lumity would be a major improvement. Right now I am doing a 2 week trial of the Real 1 (my audiologist doesn’t know how to set the demo units to Real 2 level), and then I will try the Lumity. So far the Real 1s do, in fact, provide me a much broader soundscape - I am literally hearing things my old aids ignored. And I like the seamless noise suppression a lot. Driving with the window down is actually possible now. However - and this is a BIG however - the Oticon app is absurdly impotent. The ONLY adjustment possible is volume. That’s it. So, I should spend $4,000, $5,000 or $6,000 (that’s Real 3, 2 + 1 pricing in my area - your pricing may vary), and be able to control no more than pushing the physical buttons on the aid? Just like you did 10 years ago, before apps were a thing. Not me. This video points out that many millennials buy the Real 1 because of its “natural” soundscape. Sure they do - show me a millennial that would tolerate the Oticon app. I won’t, and I’m 72. For example, last night at a live music venue the left aid was positively screeching and I had no way to adjust it. Except by lowering the volume to the point that the $6,000 Oticons did nothing at all. Thanks a lot Oticon! My old Resounds use an app that I downloaded 4 years ago and has never been updated - unheard of in the app business. However it provides MUCH more on-the-fly control, and, of course, it allows me to tune in the most pleasing soundscape and save those settings as a personal program. I just hope that the Phonak gives me better sound quality and better control over that sound, or else it is back to a manufacturer that is largely ignored these days. Because of the app. Period. Thanks again for the vids - they are truly excellent!

Which one would be better for low frequency hearing loss?

Which of these is better for listening to live music or a stereo (not streaming)?

Dr. Cliff, I saw one of your hearing up providers here in San Diego CA, Dr. Linda Oliver and she was professional, knowledgeable, and fantastic Audiologist. She followed best practices and completed the REM for my hearing aids. I am so grateful of having Dr. Oliver as my audiologist and the quality of care she provided was exceptional. Thank you Dr. Cliff for your informative videos that changed my life. Thank you

I have the Oticon Level 1 and loved it for the Bluetooth reasons. I hate to say this but it’s not loud enough or clear enough for me to hear.. we’ve tried adjusting but it’s maxed out so I’ll be testing out new hearing aids next week and hoping for Phonax as I had that brand before switching. Phonax to me was much more clearer! I’m 31 with 92% hearing loss in each ear!

The video made me more confused which one I should choose!

Would the oticon Streamer Pro 1.3A work with costco phillips heraring aids?

I had the Roger on, it was a nightmare. I just switched from Phonak P90 to Oticon real. My overall hearing improved, I mean hearing my wife, she noticed the Real as being better for me. After many adjustment of the P90 and only one for the Real I think they work for me. That is not to say the P90 are not good just not for me. One note the P90 were sent in twice for issues. I did like the features on the P90, however redoing the app was an issue, I think he mentioned thast.

I just bought the Oticon Real 2 and I am sorry I did because of the Oticon Companion application. This application does not work and it freezes on me. To get it to work I have to re-boot my Apple Iphone 12 Pro 3-6 times a day. It is ridiculous to spend close to $ 7000. to live with problem. Plus, the bluetooth is so bad so that if you move away from your phone more than 6-7 ft the other person cannot hear you. Plus half of the time only the left or right ear piece works and the other one keeps on looking for a connection. I cannot how Dr.Cliff keeps saving about this product. Dr. Cliff, I hope you give an answer.

Any word on when the Lumity will go CIC or RIC disposable battery? Currently wear phonak virto B power CIC which I purchased in early 2018 so due for a new pair. Am curious if the RIC hearing quality difference is worth exploring as I get older and less conscious of been seen with aids. Thinking about trialing the Oticon Real RIC disposable but cautious about trying a new brand/sound philosophy after being on Phonak for 20+ years.

I currently wear Oticon Real 3. My audiologist is ordering me Phonak waterproof version. Since I use an android phone. She can program the Phonak hearing aid through bluetooth for tinnitus support epecially since I like the Relief app.

I'm currently on a trial basis for Oticon and the Bluetooth connection sucks. I'm going to try the Phonax next.

As always good video, then I mentioned that I would gain my Phone Lumity hearing aids On August 17 I haven't tried it at a restaurant yet Thy world this Wednesday And so far I like them the only thing I don't like it doesn't take pulse like the paradise does why they took it out I don't know but I wish they kept them back in and I'm not going to step back in technology just to get that when the phonak lumity Has better features than a paradise does and that outweighs the pulse sensor

tengo audifonos nuevos oticon real!!! estoy muy contento. es increible con la tecnologia que tiene. tengo que decirte que ahora ya hay mas modelos de telefono movil con dispositivos Bluethoot asha. estoy usando un OPPO FIND 5 lite.

I am 72 and lost my rt. Eardrum when I was 5. Long story but by the time my family Dr sent me to my ENT I had swam all summer ear started draining. Qtip was the reason but family Dr should have done better. At least tell my mom to keep my ear dry. My ent made me an eardrum out of my blood vein in my arm. My workplace had hearing trucks come out annually. I never have had much if any hearing in that ear.. belltone did a hearing aid in it in the 90s. It was horrible. I know things are different now. I live alone so I really don’t need a aid unless I eat out with my children. Just can’t rear conversation on the table. OK. WHAT I would like to know in the video is how the onicon would work with my Apple Watch 8. Also on the ONICON CAN YOU USE YOUR IPHONE AS A TABLE MICROPHONE KINDA LIKE A ROGER TYPE DEVICE in a restaurant. My sister has the phonak paradise and like you said she gets so frustrated with the app using her iPhone. Since I live alone I’m going to try using AirPod pro 2 through my phone using live hearing and go from there. Insurance is Blue advantage using TRU HEARING , both these brands get a discount on tru hearing…do you have any videos on the actual TRU HEARING BRAND HEARING AIDS. I think they work with apple. Enjoy you video. Forgive the length of this

Dr Cliff, thank you. I have recently started losing S/Z/V/F sounds... I had an audiology exam and my hearing in the 2500K and lower is very, very good. Frankly I am terrified of losing my ability to communicate. My Dr didn't think a hearing aid would help with my issue. I love listening to music but understanding my friends and loved ones is more important. Do you have any thoughts? I also want to say, Thank you to all the people who posted their stories

I have just got the costco ‘Jaba Enhance Pro 10’ - what are your thoughts? I do not seem to be able to find any independent review of them. I am thinking of returning them for a Phonak Lumity 90 as bluetooth connectivity is really important for me and the ability for my hearing aids to automatically adjust to my environment. Do you think the switch is worth it?

Doc good day quick question how good is the Oticon real for SSD vs the phonak audeo paradise and Audibel arc cros hearing aids ? I appreciate your input thanks

This is a good comparison between Phonak Lumity and Oticon Real. I'm on my 3rd set of Phonaks over the past 12+ years or so, Audeo M currently, and it works well for me but it's draining the batteries very fast now. My audiologist just recommended the Oticon Lumity and we placed an order for a trial. After watching this, I realized that the Phonak is the winner with Android. I'm a Samsung diehard. No matter how good the aid, I'm not moving to Apple. Thanks Dr. Cliff!! One of my main criteria, for any aids, is that as a "hugger" I don't want the constant feedback. The current Phonak Audeo M won the purchase about 6 or 7 years ago!

Great information, but the array of technology is so complex and the delivery so fast that my mind turns to mush. You have presented one presentation stating the Phonak waterproof is the simplest foolproof. My other research told me recharging increases maintence15%.

My Phonak App doesn't work half the time.

The VA gave me the Oticon More 1; which I have been using for more than two years. I’m very satisfied with these hearing aids. I would like to know what the difference is between my Oticon More 1 and the Oticon Real 1 ?

You mention how great Oticon is for High frequency hearing loss. I have a mild and stable loss in mid frequencies, but 60 decible Low frequency loss which is progressively getting worse. What would work best. Is there another hearing aid or type of style designed for Low frequency hearing loss (i.e. dome vs. ear mold)? My audiaolgist reccommended the Oticons even though they carry the Phonak.

He probado Phonak Lumity 50 y 70 y como conectividad con Android está a años luz del resto marcas. Estás a 6 o 7 metros de distancia con pared por medio y se desconecta y cuando te acercas al teléfono vuelve a conectarse, con otras marcas pones el teléfono en el bolsillo de la chaqueta y se acabó. Además tienen un sonido genial. Lo que no entiendo es que en lumity no tengan Cross.

I'd love to see a comparison of the Oticon Real and Philips 9040.

Hi this is great information. Would you consider slowing the video? The review was spoken very fast, and I had trouble following. Maybe it is a UKposts problem?

I just started wearing Phonak L90 R about a week now. After about 4 hours of wearing, I have a strange feeling in my head, hard to describe but it does not feel good with slight lightheadedness and nausea and feel tired. I then take it off and the symptom slowly go away after about 3 hours. This is my first hearing aid. Does anyone possibly know why this is happening? Could it be the electromagnetic frequency from the hearing aid? Thank you.

Has phonak fixed the long running issues with their android apps not connecting to the aids even when the aids are otherwise connecting fine. I can hear phone calls and media just fine, but it's been literal weeks and dozens of resets and re-pairs I still can't get my older (audeo P50) aids to connect to the android app. The app may as well not exist and the aids may as well have no ability to adjust outside the physical switches.

can you adjust to real ear my costco ‘Jaba Enhance Pro 10’ , for a fee???

I had been wearing the Oticon OPN 1 custom hearing aids. I've been wearing hearing aids for almost 20 years, so I'm not new to hearing aids. The Oticon OPN 1 hearing aids are with out a doubt the worst hearings I've ever owned. I've had them for less than 3 years and have been back to the factory 4 times for issues. If they were a car they would be a lemon,. Is there any recourse I have for these hearing aids that just don't work?

I just got the Philips 9040, the sound is good and very natural but they do not work with my Galaxy Android phone model...going backward there. I need high frequency so I will keep them despite the inconvenience of not being able to stream. Going from batteries to charging is wonderful.

Phonak hearing aids don’t have an app but allow you to make and receive calls directly from your Apple Watch. Oticon hearing aids have a very cool app for the Apple Watch but you can’t make and receive calls. It’s phone calls vs cool app! It’s a tough decision, right?

Hello. When are you going to test the new Philips 9040 that was just released. They look very good. Thanks

Thanks Dr. Cliff, you know I was waiting for this. :) I go back today to return the demo Oticons (More 1s since they did not have the Reals yet) and may ask to try the Lumity for a week. For a small and close ear and glasses wearer, when I slipped the Lumity on in the office, it felt large compared to the Oticons that are as if not more comfortable than my Stylettos. That said, I would be interested in hearing the difference.

I would rather hear higher frequencies then streaming calls and videos .. I didn't do well with the phonak so I use the Oticon level 1 and it does its job for me.

The wife checked on the phonak ones today and was told that the rechargeable batteries are warranted for 5 yrs. After that the complete hearing aid would have to be replaced.Not good😢

Really appreciate it as I’m going to make this decision

With oticon you can stream between your iPad and iPhone and automatically connect to which ever device is streaming…the feature is called audio hand off.

Great Summary/Comparison Doc. You are a wonderful resource in the intentionally opaque realm of Rx hearing devices. Echoing other commenters, the knowledgeability of Au.D's here in the Florida retirement belt is all over the map. And when you find a good one they soon move to another office :-(

Dr. Cliff, Had a pair of Widex (my first) aids and after about 2-3 yrs, they started to so south...got a pair of Beltone Achieve. I'm trying to like them but they have an offensive upper mid/high freq oscillation. Most of the time when transitioning environments / sound levels. Widex seemed more organic where I'm still dialing in the Beltone's. Don't see much on Beltone's on YT, even though they have been around for decades. Have 40 more days to decide. Your thoughts on Beltone? Already have heard plenty on Oticon/Phonak. Thanks! Love your channel!

Can you do a Oticon Real vs Resound Omnia comparison!

I think this video might be outdated because he says the Find My Phone only works on Apple and not on Android but that feature works on my Android. The video is 10 months old so maybe at that point Android didn't support it but it does now...maybe an update to this video would be in order to identify any firmware or software updates.

Phonak Lumity for the win 🥇

OMG! All most seniors want in a hearing aid is to generally hear better in simple day living. All these new technology hearing aids have capabilities which could be too complicated for them to use or they really don't need for, and are wasted cost.

Nice analogy doc🤣 sniper vs shotgun guess who's gonna win with that one?

Clearly Phonak blows away Oticon when it comes to the connectivity capability and gadgets. On the other hand, Oticon offers a more inclusive hearing possibly g experience with their More approach to listening. I use the Oticon More 1 and find the inclusive rather than blinder hearing and noise to be enjoyable. Also, despite your comment, the music quality with ear molds is outstanding and the connectivity is good even when I am out walking. I am a techie so I would love to have tried the Phonak Lumity but it was never suggested by my audiologist. I will ask her why during my next visit.

The main thing im interested in is hearing sound quality especially in background noise.

Get to use the phonak L90-RL this week, see if they make any difference to a moderate loss

The reality is that the majority of hearing aid users are technically unsophisticated seniors. The more features the higher the frustration by us. The audiologists do a miserable job of setting the stage for success with an upfront conversation/explanation of the intended performance. They believe that magically we will see from their point of view. In the month that I have had my phonak nadias nothing has gone as advertised. My wife has spent hours and hours daily resetting, repairing, re etc. this Wednesday will Be my third visit in as many weeks so the audiologist can figure out what is working and what is not. Lastly I believe that the creators/providers of hearing aids do not wear hearing aids so they have no point of reference or understanding of daily performance or the lack of. A comprehensive list of possible problems with a simple and clear resolution in non technical language would be in order.

I am an iPhone guy and I’ve worn the Oticon More 1, an MFI device. currently I’m in a trial period With the Phonax Lumity 90 which is a different Bluetooth protocol. Just as an MFI device probably plays better with Apple. Do you think in your professional opinion than a device like Phonax works better with an android device? Thanks in advance.

Phonak has true Bluetooth connectivity so that is ALL you need to know. Phonak connects to ALL Bluetooth devices with NO need for other devices to do it. Phonak wins hands down.

Can you disable the tap motion on phonak hearing aids?

Still waiting for you to go Global... 😁

So nice that there’s a comparison video between these two hearing aids. It’s nice to be able to compare any features that could become a dealbreaker. I do have a question about the Phonak recharger and tap control functions. My understanding is that the onboard carry and go chargers is only available on the Phonak Life and that some tap control features are only available on the top 90 and 70 technology platforms. I don’t think that either is a dealbreaker at this point. And I have a wonderful hearing care provider at Salem Audiology Clinic in Salem Oregon from your network of providers. Not sure i am allowed to mention his name. He is knowledgeable, kind and helpful and takes time to answer any questions i may have. And unfortunately for him, i ask many,many questions but he’s always prompt to respond. I could not have better care.

Oticon👍🏻

This is interesting since Costo probably sells more hearing aids than anyone else.

which is best in noise like a resturant? or is that impossible to say for each person.

From an Audiologist. Battery life and reliability after a couple of years for each brand should have been discussed. And which product has had many repairs on their products vs the other. At least with their previous models. Both great products though. I agree that to focus more on voices in noise go for phonak. For sound that appears transparent, like you aren't even noticing amplification but hearing better esp for milder losses the Oticon is great. And yes for very sharp high frequency losses go oticon if you want open domes. Although phonak has improved its anti feedback recently. They just keep getting better

Could you elaborate more detailed on ASHA disadvantages? Im testing phonak lumity right now and i am very dissapointed with battery life, i have to recharge it in the middle of the day. So oticon with disposable batt is a great option IMO. Thanks

Great content...talks too fast.

Ah seems the cros and bicross users of the world ain't getting no love from phonak with the lumity line ah how unfortunate

Stop whining about him talking too fast. Turn on the subtitles, adjust playback speed to 0.75x, upload the video to an online transcript generator

I am sure Dr. Olson is giving lots of good information on hearing aides BUT his manner of speaking is appalling for people (or anyone) with hearing problems. It is far too fast, presented in an aggitated manner. I simply can't listen to him

Im wanting something practical that you wear over the head like headphones, im sick of the digital minature stuff. Bring back analog devices.

How much do they cost?😂

No ne

Did you just say a dumb phone😂😂😂😂😂 ai

I've owned both Phonak and Oticon. I would never buy Oticon again. Their Bluetooth is worthless. If you like to stream music, etc you will be disconnected on a regular basis.

Oticon Bluetooth features are a complete failure for me. FAIL.

Why do you speak so fast, making the viewer difficult to follow your technical information? not to mention your body language. Calm down!

@konracciesla 3 tygodnie temu the best would be phonak b titanium for 13 bareries instead of 10 batteries

Any good hearing care provider in Belgium?🥲

I've had the Lumity Life 90 since January (1st time wearer), it is really good for me. I got mine through the VA. When I have my next appointment, I am going to ask for the active vent receiver and custom mold. I miss hearing bass, and domes don't do much for that aspect. Hoping for the titanium.