The saddest part about the Kanonenjagdpanzer is that it was already considered underwhelming when it came out. So, right now, it feels like it has absolutely no place in the game.

Poor FCM50t... To think that back in the days, 212 was an amazing penetration value for standard ammo on a tiers VIII heavy or medium tank...

Ever since the Skorpion came out, Wargaming has been churning out ever stronger tanks without any regard to balancing them against older premiums, and now balancing is a complete farce. I am sick of it.

"..that was one of the biggest lag spikes I think I have ever seen in World of Tanks" me: That's tuesday

These long formats are really great.

I want 2015 WoT back...., good enough graphics, good gameplay and no completely broken tanks, Tier 8 mm was not only put together by the most broken premium tanks. Also mm was much better overall and there was no arty stun, no double barrel tanks, no weird auto reload mechanics and not that much gold spam.

The worse thing is that WG knows those tanks are completely outclassed (the data is out there) but they still sell them without fixing them to unfortunate players. That is a scam.

The ripper paton once again managing to be completely forgotten, even in a video like this.

They should have just given the Kanonenjagdpanzer a much better rate of fire. Something like a more balanced Tier 8 E-25. I absolutely loved the RU251, which is the light tank of the same chassis so I was super excited when they added the TD version. Sad they didn't do justice to this cool little tank, I saw the stats and had to pass on it.

Seeing a lot of these "old-fashioned" premiums perform so poorly in the current meta goes to show just how game-breaking the powercreep has gotten in this game.

I'm extremely glad that QuickyBaby has shown literally the current stage of WoT in this video, 6 games with average combined damage of 1.5 k.... It literally is win or lose in 5 mins (Today our team lost 15:1 in 3 minutes and 41 seconds for real) and it's really sad, but the 15:14 or 15:13 games only appear once in 100 battles apparently :/

I quit WoT in ~2018, but it´s still sad to see the T8 tanks of my era just not cutting it anymore in 2022. Especially the Blackdog, which was an amazing light back then, and the FCM 50t, which was my very first T8 Premium back in like 2014... I feel so old now >.

That "First" game with the Kanonen Jagdpanzer was very satisfying to watch after experiencing how terrifying the TVP is. Also, you saying only masochists would play a tank like the Primo Victoria as I have just unlocked the first Centurion, oh my. >.>

Stock vs stock, Bourrasque has better camo while moving than M41 90mm.

These longer commentated videos are great, they feel like a miniature twitch stream. Love the energy you put into them, feels a lot more upbeat than strapping in for a 12-hour stream. Nice one, Qubes! Edit: Not that one is better than the other; different content for different moods.

I think the cause for the low winrate of Primo Victoria might be the code that anyone can use for the 2 days rental (not sure if it's 2 days tho).

Talking about older tier 8s having trouble keeping up and low alpha, I imagine the old tech tree tanks have it even worse. I remember playing the STA-1 and it being a real struggle even five or six years ago. I can't imagine having to suffer through it now, facing off against 650 alpha damage autoloaders just at its own tier

That sums up the current state of the game overall... It's worth noting that some of these tanks were considered good at one time, but power creep has taken their toll. A few of theses are basically copies of their tech tree counterparts too...

It also makes me annoyed that WG are still selling these under par tanks, and people new to the game buy them, probably expecting a tank far superior to the tech tree equivalent, whereas some sad premiums are worse than the tech tree!

I still have the FCM 50t, I got it when it first came out in the marathon and used to love it (played over 1000 games in it). Picked it up again a few months ago to 2-mark it, and I didn't feel like it was that bad, once you get all the field mods and with a turbo (the 400m base view range means optics are overrated for it).... You kinda have to use it as a big dumb tank where you rush the important positions at the start with your dpm, speed and RAMMING, and do your best from there. Honestly it felt better than something like the 25 Pilot or a T92 (the t8 light tank). At least you have the weight and dpm to rush a smaller tank and slam them down...

Comparing the Kanonenjagdpanzer 90mm to the real tank you can see, that the WG team erred in some technical specifications. The reverse speed of the real Kanonenjagdpanzer was identical to the forward speed of 70 km/h. The Kanonenjagdpanzer never used AP ammunition. The main ammunition was "Patrone 90mm x 602 HEAT-T T300" with an armor penetration of some 360mm (against homogeneous armor). The secondary ammunition was "Patrone 90mm x 602 HEP T142" , a HESH ammunition. The real tank had a side armor of 20mm only, this is less than the virtual WG design. I think that changing the data to the real model would make the tank more competitive. There is a collection of Kanonenjagdpanzer in the "Muna-Museum Marktbergel" including the 105mm gun planed for the never realized update.

When I started playing in 2016, the most fun I got was from heavy engagements. Today heavies dont have much point in existing, they tend to be slow mediums with a lot of hp. Everything can put a hole in you without aiming. Last battle I played like a year ago, the tier X Swedish destroyer was penning my sidescraping is4 at a 15° angle....

The problem is that nowadays the advantages of a tank like the FCM 50t ( gun handling, dpm, speed) don't even feel like an advantage anymore because they are at the same level as 7 years ago. Now there are tanks that are better armored, have better gun handling and are faster (all in one). FCM, IS 6 and Jagttiger 8,8 were my favorite prem tanks back then. I miss those days man :( WG knows everything as good as we do but they dont care. They stopped balancing the game. No testservers, no balancing news/updates... NOTHING but premium and reward tank spams. The only way to make a change is, either we stop giving them our money or another tank game comes out, so WoT has competition (which would be very healthy for WoT)

All the new generation tanks - or new countries that have entered the game over the past three years have put the majority of older generation tanks into the geriatric (senior citizens) ward. They just can't compete. WG should think about period games; i.e. WW2 and before; cold war period; and modern. This might sort out the problem of power creep.

Good to see Patton KR so close to the most shameful position. Every time I take that crapheap out (way more than I can justify) I feel like I'm handicapping my team no matter what I do. Compared to the P2Win bullshit premiums I'm ashamed to take on to the field, it's like playing a completely different game. Panther 8,8 is another tank I've played more than I should, and is just a liability - even if the gun accuracy's kinda comfortable. The idea of grinding out field mods on either - heartbreaking misery.

I know it sucked working through those, but it does inform a lot of folks, about which tanks to try and avoid for the sake of just not wasting time and money on them. It sucks to go through those kind of games but again, thanks for doing it so we can be better informed. I appreciate it.

I stopped playing because as an average player there's no fun to be had anymore because of all the broken premiums.

Excellent video QB! I'm laughing with you at the frustrations you discuss at the end... 😁

Love the long format vids! Keep em coming QB!

I think another good idea for this series of videos is "playing the tier 10 collectors tanks" 113, T62A, AMX 30 B. And diving into why they were axed from the main tech trees.

I'm actually surprised on the MoE requirements for the 50b, given that it is a pure support tank, unforgiving to mistakes, rarely gives the players chance to craft a play.... with such a high skill cieling, I expected it's 2nd MoE expectation value to be around 2800 - 3000 dpg but it still stands at ~3500 dpg. That number is something I don't understand

The primo Victoria comes as a rental with the new player code (or did about 5 weeks ago when I started playing wot). It makes sense that if you have actual noobs playing it semi regularly it will bring the win rate down.

Good to see QB having the same luck as me with the lag spikes. It just happens a lot more often with my service provider. When I'm in the second line it's not as worrying, but when I'm at the frontline it's game over most of the time unless I'm reversing behind cover when the lag happens.

love the reset at 9:15 haha

I saved my Kanonenjagdpanzer and after several years of owning I mastered it some weeks ago. The buff of the penetration of the 1 from I think 212 to 238mm helped, but hey didn't raise the pen of the 2. They can raise the alpha and the pen of the 2 to 280. You have more premiums to train a Rheinmetall-Borsig or a Jagdpanzer IV, then a trainer of the tier 9/10 and the Ferdinand. I like the two swedish premium meds, I think they had to buff the pen of the 2 270 or more. Both have the problem, that they have another crew-loadout to the techtrees. The FCM 50t suffers from the fact, that he is an old-style-prem and you have too often to fight against tier 8 only or tier 9. To trade against with 240 damage against the 300 alpha cannons will be too difficult and the the 300 alpha starts at tier 7. The M41 90 came in my opinion, when tier 8 lights were the highest lights, at this time the were strong, but with the power-creep they lost their bite like most of the old vehicles. Type 59 Patton can see tier 10, is one(or the only one) of the chinese with gun depression, but with the great weakpoint at his turret, which the tier 10 american medium, the m48 Patton, had too at the release time. They could reduce it to the same size of the tier 10 patton and it will be a little bit better.

I like playing my Kanonenjadgpanzer 90 but most of my good games in it was probably with a lot of spotting. Years ago, with the tech tree Walker Bulldog armed with the old autoloading gun (few light tanks around tier 8 back then had an autoloading option), my other light tanks could out spot them while in the open.

I truly love these videos like this! Keep them coming!

I grew up visiting this bridge every year when we went up to camp for the first day of trout, just north of Kane. Went to bobs trading post every Saturday night for ice cream. The good old days.

I have the M41 90 GF It was a decent light when it first came out. I played a perfect light tank match in it once, Spotted all 15 enemy tanks and got all 3 awards Spotting , Patrol Duty and Scout. It was a great active spotter. But now it is to slow.

“Glass canon” hahaha you wish or else you would’ve dealt with the Char. 4 “Glass …. Glass, yes”

I still argue the m41 90 is still very good. I've recently 3 marked it, don't set it up as a scout you want to just maximize it's gun

I love this guys series

I feel you left out one of the oldest premiums and one that suffers a lot: The Jagd88 is a joke You don’t have a good gun, your armor is butter to all gold and even some standard shells. You don’t have the mobility nor the camo of even the Kanonen Jpz Right now, it’s a just a big slow moving piñata for all tanks It’s just sad

kudos to you QB for enduring this pain and keeping your wits about you! some of the games were pretty good!

M46 KR and 59-Patton are some of my fav tanks. They do command a lot of patience, but rewards from time to time.

I have a number of these tanks (59-Patton & M 41/90 GF) but even from an early moment (I started playing in early 2013), I regarded the FCM 50t as one of those "why bother" tanks. I had a rental earlier this year on the KanJPz.105 and that I found very underwhelming.

9:14 QB, if this streaming life doesn't work out you can definitely sell some used cars or waterbeds.

On Blitz we have the M41 90 but it's Twister cup which was our equivalent, black too just with a different logo

Haven't played in years but I still watch QB's vids and sometimes feel an itch to get back into the game. While I certainly think all the new mechanics are interesting and all the QoL improvements are convenient, I miss the old days of WoT when T8 premiums were balanced around being T7.5. The classic T8 prems were stronger than stock T8s but weaker than the fully researched counterparts. The reason why people would play premium tanks back then was so they can earn credits more efficiently rather than be playing outright statistically stronger tanks.

I might be wrong but wasn’t the KanJpz supposed to be a tier 8 E 25 when it originally came out

don't forget the VK light tank that can do nearly 400 with its HE rounds, they may not be as fast as wheeled french lights but the damage output in a top tier game is bull pat

"I had as much fun as a trip to the dentist" perfectly summed up experience lol, those powercrept tanks are so sad these days !

Kanonpanzer with 90mm should be moved down to tier 7 when they added the 105mm. The Primo Victoria has massive losing rate is because the MM for that tank is actually rigged or broken. It keeps MM with losing team. I played it for rental for ten days with non-stop losing games even though I'm top of team in the front duking out against heavies. The tech tree Centurion doesn't get that type of rigged MM. My M41 90 build is have one as DPM and with Optics. My 2nd build is Max spotting using Optics, CVS in slot and Vents. 2nd can build can spot ELC trying to rush into mid bushes earlier in Prokhorovka.

How does the M41 90mm have such a low win rate, I find it to be a fantastic tank, although I do play it more like a stealthy medium.

Great video. I like the long video with multiple tanks

I remember back in the day when artillery was significant, i got the FCM 50 T and in the first game with it i got perma tracked on a ridge by an FV304 and blind fired and killed for about 3 minutes by it. Never played it again.

I really like the Centurion 5/1, it is one of my favourite tier 8 mediums

I miss the WG League. It was around at a time I was heavily invested into WoT and also watched a lot of Esports. I actually won the black dog and an FCM 50T premiums from the prediction league stuff they were doing and was watching all the regions when I could.

I have the Black Dog as you called it. I want to love it but it just can not perform. Your spot on about the camo being so bad and to boot the shell velocity is just terrible. However the HE rounds have decent pen but when they nerfed HE that negated that advantage. You just have to play it like a fast and lightly armored medium. It will be out spotted every time by other lights and sometimes by mediums. Thanks for showing these old tanks alittle love anyways.

Love the restart!

After playing for about 4 years I bought my first premium 3 wks ago: the M41 90. It's actually not too bad, as long as I don't pretend to be a light tank. What is annoying though is that the majority of matchmaking puts me 2 tiers below. I play WoT console version.

"What am I doing with my life" That sentence pretty much just sums up your whole channel

i like the raw and honest footage :)

I'd love to see another Frontline vid on the snow map QB!

This video was a roller coaster of emotions

I remember buying my first premium tank... The choice was between the AMX CDC and Panther 8.8. I went for the Panther and had a blast with it over the years (great gun), average tank overall. My most played tank besides T20 (US medium). The CDC was considered better overall but only for highly skilled players back then. Simpler times... Nowadays I have a ton of tanks but rarely have fun playing them.

Hey QB, returning player here. Love the video. What is the mod that show the covered part on the enemy tank in red?

8:25 trying to explain how the armor is bad as the tracks eat a jagdtiger shell

The only real advantage with the 59 Patton is that you can use that huge Cupola as a periscope QB and not be spotted doing it ! Lol Its super hard to do thou. You can peek over a ridge with it. There was a map they deleted I did it very well.

Yeah I have the FCM 50t, and I regret buying it, I used to play a ton of the Hellcat back in it's glory days, so I thought a big fast tank would be fun and make me a lot of credits, I didn't end up playing it much sadly, I should have saved my money on that one. I do also have the Primo Victoria, and there it's the complete opposite I love it to bits and I always have a good time with it, it's by far the best purchase I've made in WoT, it's sad to see that people regard it as bad, but hey, that means there's less of a chance it get's nerfed so works for me.

4:40 "about to get omega-farmed" Me in one of my SU-101 games after getting full-magged by a Char Futur 4: first time?

God I miss bombing around in a 10round bulldog. That GF 90 just seems so sluggish compared to what I had going.

I feel like the KanonJagdpanzer should have PMM.

FCM is a tank that is covered in problems. Basically... It is just a faster Tiger 1, one tier higher, with a size of a Tiger 2. For all intents and purposes, it is a tier VII vehicle that hogs a tier VIII spot. And that is a problem. Back in the day, when most premiums were preferential MM types, this thing was a good value, because it offered a tank with decent penetration for that tier, on a mobile platform. But it got powercrept into uselessness.

LOL poor quickybaby torturing himself for our enjoyment XD this was funny to watch but I feel the dentist pain haha

Kanonenjagdpanzer: This thing needs 380m view range in game. That would allow some more flexibility, which can make it work in soma cases. It's that simple. M41 90(Blackdog): It's not that bad really. Not much good either though. It's stats are biased because lots of "average players" play it. It is kind of forgiving tank to not completely suck... which is "success" for many "average players".

The wheeled tanks were cool just cuz it was my 1st time playing it but the like was pretty painful when I think about it. Those tanks do 0 dmg and have a terrible relode leaving u completly vulnerable in front of any other light tanks

Got exams tomorrow, can’t wait to get home and watch this!

Hey can you do the worse non-premium tanks aswell, tier8-10. Also here's a idea, have you ever tryed doing a stream battle where you set training with like 8 same tanks(ex.tiger1) and 3 etc. And do some really big battles for fun in Team training. And if so do put it on youtube, i love the content ty, glhf.

That second Primo Victoria game looked to me more like a suicide game. Such a tier 8 tank pushing like that in a tier 10 game very rarely works. Premium tanks back in the day were rarely better than the grind tanks, eg: a tier 8 prem was more a tier 7.80. As today, the prem tier 8 is more of a tier 8.5. And as you said, unless you've got the latest and greatest prem tank with an auto loader, good armour, and good speed, you're being left behind. The game these days is a less new player friendly game, and it's getting worse all the time. I think one of the best ways to help newer players, is to ban prem rounds under tier 6. It's amazing how many go seal clubbing in the lower tiers and spam nothing but prem rounds. It turns those newer players away from the game. My 3 cents. Another great video QB.

quick intro is fantastic do it more oftenly

Back when i bought the fcm 50t, it had the second highest pen of any tier 8 premium tank, except the t34. Its sad really how they have ruined the game and the only real way to be competitive is to buy the newest premium every month

Man, those HE/artillery nerfs. And yeah, tier 8 premium being really like OP for tier 7 but kinda weak for tier 8 with preferential matchmaking seems like a better way.

I actually like the KanJPz 105, super-fast around the battlefield for sure.

"or if you have a light tank that focuses on doing damage instead of being a scout" Unless its French and then they get to do both. I just unlocked the LHMTV, I have 48% camo and I am CONSTANTLY outspotted by ELCs. Its not like the LHMTV has anything going for it besides its camo either; decidedly crap DPM and pen, no armour, less than 400m base view range at tier 8 so what exactly is supposed to be the advantage?

I agree on almost everything but why are people so bad in Primo Victory i had its rental 30 battles and i won like 19 of them,everything about it is just perfectly decent not better not worse

in the second p victoria game the EBR105 went to the east hill and parked there for a while, gg

Great video thanks QB

I still have a dusty Panther 8,8cm in my garage, but I think he can take some more dust for now 😅

In your confrontation with the Char, it may have helped to move back near your original position (which you could have done safely, given cover by the dip); this may have given you a chance to bait the Char into your allies' lines of fire. That said, it may not have worked either way. Tough situation.

I remember when the Black Dog came in it was great, but I've not played it in years as it sucks now.

I would buy the primo Victoria but I hate the barrel lol. Sabaton is definitely my favorite band. Saw them in Houston a few years back.

This Glassnonenjagpanzer is my favorite moneymaker. Does not earn that much but it's relaxing to play after a long day at work. Just find a bush and relax.

I like to see you do crappy QuickyBaby, it reminds us mortals that even the gods are mortal too :) lol

Surprisingly my old tried and true t-34-3 has been slapping in random battles still. People respect the alpha once they get hit by the thing for over 400 hp.

Love your content

Wow! I expected the scorpion (with a c) to be on the list. Apparently it never gets played. When it came out it was the worst premium tank, let alone nowadays.

I wonder if we could do a video featuring the lightest tanks with a cutoff at tier 8 so you don't wind up playing just tier 1 tanks?

of course the one premium i have (kanjpz) is considered one of the worst, great video 👍🏿

What was with that type 59 immediately drowning in the FCM50t match? Nonsense like that stops me coming back and only sometimes watch it on youtube.