Programming's Greatest Mistakes • Mark Rendle • GOTO 2023

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This presentation was recorded at GOTO Amsterdam 2023. #GOTOcon #GOTOams
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Mark Rendle - Creator of Visual ReCode with 7 Microsoft MVP Awards & 30+ Years of Experience Building Software @MarkRendle
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ABSTRACT
Most of the time when we make mistakes in our code, a message gets displayed wrong or an invoice doesn’t get sent. But sometimes when people make mistakes in code, things literally explode, or bankrupt companies, or make web development a living hell for millions of programmers for years to come.
Join Mark on a tour through some of the worst mistakes in the history of programming. Learn what went wrong, why it went wrong, how much it cost, and how things are really funny when they’re not happening to you. [...]
TIMECODES
00:00 Intro
01:35 The med file unf*cker
05:51 Y2K
14:39 The Kennel club "Dog 38" bug
17:00 EnTErpRIsE
20:43 The Pentium FPU
23:45 NULL
26:43 Hartford Center
29:20 Knight Capital
35:32 Mariner 1
38:11 Mars Climate Orbiter
40:25 Ariane 5
42:01 The big rewrite
43:57 JavaScript
49:39 The Soviet early warning system
51:07 Outro
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Tomasz Lelek & Jon Skeet • Software Mistakes & Tradeoffs • amzn.to/45Nf1u3
Henney & Monson-Haefel • 97 Things Every Software Architect Should Know • amzn.to/3pZuHsQ
Merih Taze • Engineers Survival Guide • amzn.to/40hPmZd
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КОМЕНТАРІ: 56

@Mothuzad 5 місяців тому

This might be my favorite talk ever. The attitude toward programmers and those otherly business folk, the anecdotes I know, the anecdotes I've suffered from, and the anecdotes I'd never heard, all presented with utmost charm.

@DanGibson-ibug 5 місяців тому

Excellent talk - made me feel instantly better about some of the coding "decisions" I've made over the years! I also got pulled up on the naming of stuff - my manager pulled me into a meeting to discuss why the team were seeing a "Big Whopper Error" on screen. I explained that I'd put a last resort error handler into the code to stop it outright crashing like it used to (this was VBA)... there were calls to change it but the team using the product quite liked it so we kept it! Ah - the "Big Whopper Error" - much more fun to fix than a standard error 😁

@DocTrinsOGrace 5 місяців тому

As a young engineer, I learned an important lesson: We need to remember that no one ever does a stupid thing intentionally.... Everyone does what they believe is right at the time. (Note that the Pentium floating point problem, was originally in the DEC alpha chip -- DEC discovered it and corrected it. This proved that Intel's design was not their own, which resulted in a large out-of-court settlement. Naughty!)

@tumunu 5 місяців тому

For the benefit of the younger crowd here, Intel got rid of the DEC lawsuit by *buying* DEC. I'm sure a small handful of executives got mighty rich, everybody else got screwed.

@DocTrinsOGrace 5 місяців тому

@@tumunu A better memory than mine.

@RobBCactive 5 місяців тому

Compaq bought DEC in 1998

@tumunu 5 місяців тому

@@RobBCactive Yes, sorry, my memory is failing as I age. Intel bought the technology.

@RobBCactive 5 місяців тому

I found the time to look up that 1994 Pentium fp bug "fdiv" and it was caused by 5 constant values not getting copied into a machine that prepped fabrication and the algorithm was STR which I believe was published research that used a lookup table on partial bit ranges. So despite 90's Intel having stolen designs, being criminally inclined, found guilty of bribery and other illegal practices, I don't believe this story about DEC Alpha. Back then I was in regular contact with DEC pros and it's not the kind of story I'd forget.

@KurtisRader 4 місяці тому

I'm a grey beard. I started programming as a teenager in 1976. I stayed awake for nearly 48 hours as a Unix support engineer for Sequent Computer Systems during Y2K turnover. We didn't get any calls for help related to Y2K. I spent all of that time working on my `top2` performance monitoring program. I was particularly amused by the kennel club anecdote where they were storing a number as a hexadecimal string and "fixed" the limitation of the maximum being 37 by adding two roman numeral characters to the string rather than implementing a proper fix that would have reduced the storage requirements.

@1Eagler 5 місяців тому

A good programmer doesn’t make mistakes, he corrects bugs.

@koolknakker 2 місяці тому

I was there in Amsterdam, and can myself hear laughing in the recoring 😅 The event is amzing to attend, loved meeting the people organising and attending!

@allanwind295 6 місяців тому

The speaker, Mark Rendle, is entertaining, and I admire the honesty of self-reflection. I was a CS student at the time of the Pentium bug and wasn't concerned about the implications. The only reason that I eventually took advantage of the replacement was because the newer revision was claimed to run cooler. WIkipedia has the following about Petrov "... he was also reprimanded for improper filing of paperwork with the pretext that he had not described the incident in the military diary. [...] He received no reward. According to Petrov, this was because the incident and other bugs found in the missile detection system embarrassed his superiors and the influential scientists who were responsible for it, so that if he had been officially rewarded, they would have had to be punished. "

@LeifNelandDk 5 місяців тому

"y2k was nothing" no, we fixed it. "We don't hear about the ozone hole anymore" no, we fixed it. "We don't hear about acid rain and tree death anymore" no, we fixed it. Lets hope my grandchildren get to say "We don't hear about global warming anymore" ...

@blenderpanzi 5 місяців тому

We do hear about the ozone hole again this year, though. See e.g.: 2023 ozone hole ranks 12th largest on record, find NOAA and NASA (for a single day, 16th largest when averaged from September 7 to October 13) So that's sadly not quite fixed yet. :/

@mrbigberd 3 місяці тому

It bears repeating that type coercion was NOT in the first version of JS. It was added later at the insistence of the devs using JS and Eich of the 90s didn't say no like a more experienced Eich of today would have.

@user-op4he5tt1n 6 місяців тому

Great talk.

@water_melon_9000 5 місяців тому

As a seasoned enterprise software developer, I can confirm this is 100% accurate.

@paulembleton1733 5 місяців тому

I was a newbie and the author of a comment about naming conventions that was funny and self deprecatory, asked me to watch him writing something and say what I thought. He’d coded for early parallel processors at British Aerospace and had a suck it and see approach which I didn’t appreciate at the time. So I’m trying to evaluate his code and I don’t have an idea of what he wants me to see. And eventually he says neither do I, run it and we’ll both figure it out. I had a chip on my shoulder and that was very nice. He introduced me to the paradigms of keep it simple stupid and don’t fix if not broken.

@mrwoodward273 5 місяців тому

Would Knight Capital have survived if they'd taken a short position on themselves?

@polerin 5 місяців тому

First computer was a 486 DX.. that floating point was clutch. Still remember dropping 16 megs in chip by chip. Felt like a wizard.

@jetseverschuren 4 місяці тому

Small correction, the mars climate orbiter failed because the results from Lockheed Martin returned values in pound-force seconds, while NASA expected newton-seconds

@the_real_ch3 Місяць тому

Yes the biggest takeaway from the MCO is about clarity of communication and making sure units are always labeled.

@vitfirringur 6 місяців тому

+a is definitely not the same as math.abs. Try `let a = -3; console.log(+a)`. but it does attempt to perform coercion, so + '1' is 1, so +'a' is NaN.

@wiseman9960 6 місяців тому

No one claims it is

@tropicaljupiter 6 місяців тому

@@wiseman9960 the guy in the video did. The thing this comment section is for.

@blenderpanzi 5 місяців тому

In the JavaScript section where multiple other inaccuracies. "In every other language that's a syntax error." Not in Ruby (Baaa), Python (runtime error), PHP (runtime error), or Perl (0). And the stuff about document.all is of course true and every browser implements it, but that's not a Netscape invention (kinda implied because Netscape/Brendan Eich is credited for JavaScript and no other credit is given), but a Microsoft invention, and it's not in the standard except for being deprecated. But fun and interesting talk otherwise.

@velo1337 6 місяців тому

fun stories about programming

@tumunu 5 місяців тому

In the earlier part of the talk, Mark expresses his preference for .NET, but in his later section 'The Big Rewrite' he exposes its biggest problem: by signing up to use .NET, you agree to become Microsoft's bitch, and I don't mean that in a good way. He's lucky it only cost him six weeks in the hospital.

@Fiyaaaahh 28 днів тому

If null is considered a mistake then what is the solution?

@stevetaylor5290 4 місяці тому

I feel like he’s got the Knight Capital story backwards on a few points - going to have to go and read a bit more about it to see if my memory is dodgy or his.

@LuealEythernddare Місяць тому

Crazy that out of all these he doesn’t mention the Therac 25

@bogaczew 5 місяців тому

so, what would be better solution for null reference? 0?

@MeriaDuck 4 місяці тому

A type-safe alternative, which is part of Algol 68, is extending the reference type with something explicitly meaning 'nothing here', which would required explicit handling of that case. I think it could look something like: Type T = Ref A | Nothing; And wherever your type T shows up, you have to be prepared for both cases: the Ref to A, or Nothing.

@Fiyaaaahh 28 днів тому

@@MeriaDuck How is that any different. That's just a typed null and you still get the same amounts of null (or "nothing") check code.

@axelandru9346 3 дні тому

Shaggy, that's not wid !

@christosmantas4308 23 дні тому

Did he say HALF A TRILLION!?

@samuelkelemen9597 6 місяців тому

I feel like this talk is just a short summary of a bunch of other goto talks.

@RoamingAdhocrat 6 місяців тому

it is! a greatest hits compilation :D

@blenderpanzi 5 місяців тому

46:25 "In every other language that's a syntax error." Not really. In Ruby it gives: Baaa In Python it gives a *runtime* error: TypeError: bad operand type for unary +: 'str' In PHP it gives a *runtime* error: Uncaught TypeError: Unsupported operand types: string + string in php shell code:1 In Perl it gives: 0 (Note that PHP and Perl don't have a + operator that concatenates strings. They use . for that.) So none of these dynamic languages give a syntax error, but two give runtime errors. Then he says that the unary + in JavaScript is the same as Math.abs(). No it's not. It's the same as Number() (not new Number(), just Number(), and not like parseFloat() because of edge cases). But +-1 just gives -1. The differences in behavior between Number() and parseFloat() are the actual WTF here. Compare empty string and string containing a number followed by garbage between the two functions. And the existence of boxed numbers (new Number()) also makes no sense at all and just confuses people. And document.all was invented by Microsoft, is deprecated now, and I *think* it never was part of the official standard? Not sure about that. I also never saw that one used anywhere. No, I'm *not* a JavaScript fan. Just have to use it for work. Just like Ruby, Python, PHP, etc. I just try to know my tools (programming languages), even if I don't like them. I don't like a lot of them. (Wonder a bit about the accuracy of the rest of the talk now.) Still a fun talk that I get the feeling I have seen before already?

@Adowrath 5 місяців тому

He's given it before, I think this might even be the third time.

@blenderpanzi 5 місяців тому

@@Adowrath Which all the more increases my criticism if after holding this talk several times he didn't correct these mistakes.

@Adowrath 5 місяців тому

@@blenderpanzi He changed stuff, means there's sometimes new errors introduced in changes - he himself mentions this at the start that people pointed out previous mistakes. The 'syntax error' line does not appear in e.g. the NDC Copenhagen 2022 version of the talk, neither does the Math.abs thing. And document.all being like that doesn't depend on it being part of the standard, the fact that it's possible to have such a weird edge case with document.all means the language semantics allowed for this to be possible, that is all he's saying, really.

@NeilHighley 5 місяців тому

Javascript gets so much shade. But the inference makes Javascript ultra powerful. If he had more time, it may have just been another language gobbled up by Java.

@JoseFernandez-qt8hm 4 місяці тому

limies....

@JoseFernandez-qt8hm 4 місяці тому

much high level bullshit because in assembler/machine code "goto" is all there is: "jump" and/or "branch" instructions depending on the PSW/PSR condition code...

@herrpez 21 день тому

Was enjoyable up until the sudden racism.

@HeilTec 5 місяців тому

Historical core memory price: "costs began at roughly US$1.00 per bit and dropped to roughly US$0.01 per bit." In essence the price is quoted pr. bit - not byte. ;-) 👍