yeah, my headcanon was always that she is asexual

My headcanon was always that it doesn't matter what the heck she is or isn't because she is more than her freaking interest or disinterest in romance.

I hate that view of the single Disney princesses (Merida, Elsa, and Moana) as being lesbian for no other reason than them not ending up with a man. It creates this idea that gay people just couldn't find a partner of the opposite sex, so they settled for someone of their own - what kind of message is that??

Yes thank you! I always loved Elsa for showing me, that I don't have to end up in a relationship and still live a happy and fulfilled life.

I personally think Elsa is aroace, but if she would be confirmed to be a lesbian or bi, I wouldn't be mad either. Making her wlw would be a huge step, even tough I'd prefer her to be aroace.

Me too.

They're not in a relationship, they're just good friends 🤦

Mlm relationships are fetishized too. Look at any fandom

I would say both are very fetishized. Just by different demographics

@@yanu..6994 I would say both are mocked, too

me too :D

you can focus on yourself and still be gay

@@modkip25 and you can focus on yourself and still be straight...?

She also may be asexual/aromantic

@@annamuller4521 what great diversity! Wow! Thanks for your input!

queer coding =/= "SHE HAS TO BE GAY" and the video you are commenting on explained that at length.

I get what you mean. I’m guessing some people saw that and were reminded of their own journey to understand their sexuality and applied that to Elsa? But to be honest, I’m only peripherally aware of the second frozen movie, so I’m probably missing some context though, lol

She could be asexual too

Yup. People do it all the time. They even do this with characters who are straight but not “feminine” enough like pataki.

Biology. 💃≠🚶‍♂️ 💃+🚶‍♂️ = 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 🚶‍♂️+🚶‍♂️ = 0 💃+💃 = 0 🏋️‍♂️>🏋️‍♀️ How do you get to hell? Very simple: claim that you're innocent. How do you get to heaven? Very simple: Admit that you're not Innocent, you're guilty and ask for mercy. How to know if you're guilty or not? Simply: Compare your life to the Ten Commandments God gave you in the Bible. Everyone agrees that if people followed the ten commandments there would be no need for governments or police. Do not lie. Do not steal. Do not commit adultery. Do not insult God by using his name as a cuss word. There are six more but let's just leave it at that. How many lies have you told in your life? Have you ever taken anything that didn't belong to you? Jesus said, if you look at a women lustfully you've already committed adultery in your heart with that woman. How many times a day do you do that? Do you use God's name as a cuss word? Would you do that with your own mother's name? If you answer these questions honestly you know that you're guilty. God can justly punish you and send you to hell. Ask him for mercy. His name is Jesus. It's as simple as this, The Ten Commandments are called the moral law. You and I broke God's laws. Jesus paid the fine. The fine is death. Ezekiel 18:20 - "The soul who sins shall die. That's why Jesus had to die on the cross for our sins. This is why God is able to give us Mercy. Option A. You die for your own sins. Option B. Ask for mercy and accept that Jesus died for you.

Amen

@@samanthachurch - That's true, but there's no subtext that indicates she's either queer nor straight. Elsa is a character defined entirely by her lack of a love interest. That is AroAce in a nutshell. You can be gay and AroAce, just like you can be hetero and AroAce. For ex. I'm an Ace Pansexual. Unfortunately, neither gay nor hetero is explicitly fleshed out -- however, her non-romantic status IS very much so. So on a probability scale, if there were any category she'd likely fall under, it is Asexual/Aromantic.

AMEN let woman be!

I think straight women have been defined by their relationship to a man in media and especially in Disney's history for so long that if any woman is not shown with a man then she does not fit the idea of what a straight woman looks like. People jump on a character who isn't defined by their relationship with the opposite sex because they are so used to straight people being straight for the sake of them settling down and having kids in a traditional straight relationship. I'm sure plenty of people immediately assumed that Merida is gay because she is a strong female character that didn't want to marry a man she just met and sticks with being single at the end of the movie.

I thought Disney made it clear she was ace and aro

The voice turned out to belong to a woman from her family, tho...

lmao that killed me

@@magma4168 hmmm... technically the voice is a frozen island, not her mom. However it is a frozen island of Elsa’s memories so In a way, it’s asexual baby 🏳️‍🌈🥰🎉

as a lesbian this line killed me too JSHDKSKJD

The delivery, the sync of the clip, IT WAS HILARIOUS

Depends on how the character goes. (I haven't seen much of those movies, actually, but it wouldn't necessarily be 'contrived' if having gotten a handle on her own self, then there's room for someone else worthy to be in the picture. "Lesbians must always be alone or else turn straight' is another old trope we don't need.)

@@OllamhDrab Stepping out of the movie universe for a sec, we need to be realistic and admit to ourselves that Elsa as a lesbian will likely never be canon, or at least not overtly so. Disney has been incredibly skittish with their LGBT characters and especially because of the globalized movie industry, taking a risk on a lesbian princess for one of their most successful post renaissance franchises would be a miracle Side characters are one thing, but the main character is different. Elsa in a relationship would be Elsa with a man. I'm bisexual and single by choice and I still feel so seen through her story, as I'm sure some ace people do too

@@aboutashow Honestly I have nothing to say about their corporate calculations with homophobic-governed marketshares. Just saying the story should *be* what the story *fits,* ...I think they've had a couple movies about her not being straight and not necessarily *needing* a romantic interest, which often is a very good place to be when one may *find* or accept one. Definitely 'Lonely until straight or dead' would ba a bad trope to rehash here and probably cheese everyone else off, but where the character goes ought to be about the character. Not necessarily either of us, assuming you're speaking from an ace point of view. (I mean, I'm *not* an ace but it can be hard to distinguish between me being relatively much less libidinous than average and how they describe their own experiences. Sometimes I think the proliferation of labels can make people on the Internet think labels are obligatory, even for fictional characters that we may not even know their whole story yet.

Remember in Show yourself, "You're the one you've been waiting for" "All my life".

@@OllamhDrab Elsa is aro-ace. Just because she's not straight, doesn't mean she's gay

Yeah and then the toxicity in the Sherlock fandom because of Johnlockers and TJLC.

@@dianamarcekova9615what is tjlc? 😗

@@bangtanruinedmylifeinabeau5616 The johnlock conspiracy theory

Yep. Still pisses me off that they never even acknowledged the Sherlock/John thing. Even if they hadn't got together but one of them was in love with the other, that still would have been better than completely queer baiting them whilst simultaneously relying on views based on their ship

@@erintalia9490 not only did they not acknowledge it in a realistic way, they turned it into a JOKE!! Almost as if they were mocking the fans for believing it could happen despite the fact that they had planted the seed for it back in the pilot!!!

aromantic.

@@mm4843 this!, thank you, im asexual, and im love this headcanon

Thank you!!! I'm ace, too. I think Elsa is an ace princess. Why is that bad??? Can we talk about how Hollywood seems to imply the only way to 'complete' yourself is to find a romantic partner.? Raya, however, is DEFINITELY gay. :-).

same. i never once looked at Elsa and thought "she could be gay"

I’m gay and I felt she was gay because she’s like me

I’ve always said Elsa is asexual if anything! She’s never shown interest in any romantic relationships.

Never heard of that interview but that makes me so happy!

@@itsQUINNderful Yes, I don't know why people keep saying she's gay. Like, if anything, she's ace, or even just aro

There's a line in Show Yourself that says "I am the one I've been waiting for all of my life". I think that's all the evidence we need

@@SofieReib I myself am asexual/grey and I can see so much of myself in Elsa. I wish people would let us have this one character... most people don’t even know what asexuality is or believe that it exists. I’ve had numerous encounters with doctors and friends and exes telling me asexuality isn’t real.

Overall we pretty much agree that she doesn't need a significant other to be happy and fulfilled... whatever her actual orientation might be

And I hate how you people (even though I’m ace) bunch up these princesses as ace because of the same reasons people are shipping her with a girl. “She’s not interested in men”. It’s just stupid. Her songs are literally allegories for the lgbt experience. It makes sense with Elsa. Other princesses, it doesn’t- hence no one else pushing it as much as they do with her

@@Abraham-gf1oi where did I said she’s asexual?? You don’t need a specific sexuality to be strong, independent and enjoy being single.

THAT!! Such true words. Thank you.

It's a story like many in disney about fiding oneself, the plus being, different from other princesses, its not explicit about a romance with a man, so its only natural that people would read it with their own interpretations based on their own experiences. Cause realisticly you wont relate to having to hide your frezing powers from society, so we put our own take in it. Reading her as gay doesnt mean she needs to have a girlfriend to be complete, just that gay people could relate to her. She could have any sexuality you imagine since its not stated in te text, but its a narrative lots of gay ppl relate to

@@billiemss5817 Agreed, that's what people do who don't understand things and are trying to, and putting labels on things help them with that process. Like in the ancient times where people blamed what mother nature was doing on the angry gods. I remember the last few years I was in high school (early 90s) and well into my mid-twenties, people would ask me why I didn't have a boyfriend. And then they'd asked it if was because I was a lesbian. But, I didn't date women either, never kissed one, never messed around with either sex, but so they could make sense of things for themselves, they concluded I was a lesbian. They just couldn't understand my simple answer that I just wasn't interested in getting romantically involved with anyone. They couldn't leave it at that. And back then, terms/ labels like asexual and aromantic didn't exist, unlike now with the many endless terms swarming around during a time that people cry they don't want to be labeled and then call themselves non-binary or they.

The didn't kiss. Janis wouldn't kiss Damien.

@@lashantacurry5978 they actually did in the end of movie at the dance

@@sophieella7988 oh my gosh you're right! I looked at your comment and went to type a furious rebuttal then remembered the scene and their wiping their sleeves with their lips and was bamboozled.

LMAO

I really liked Damien. He was played by an actual gay man and he kinda blew up stereotypes. Did he care about decorating and divas? Yes. He was also plus sized and dressed in jeans and t-shirts that didn't come from calvin klein.

Well, only at the very end. And all just for a joke that the girl won't get her dream guy.

I liked that too. I also liked how it dod not have to take over the whole movie because that is not what it is about. The story can be an allegory to being gay though. It is a plus.

I actually liked that since Mitch was more than just a token gay. He was an athletic football player and a good big brother to his nerdy little brother; he just happened to be gay. I like that he was proud of it and not ashamed or closeted like we usually see in movies with a closeted jock. Yeah, it was kind of a gag about Norman's sister crushing on him the whole movie when he would never go for her because he wasn't into women; BUT I gotta say it was nice that he was portrayed as a rounded person and not a stereotype or maligned.

Ive watched that movie before but i font remember what your talking abt. Can somebody tell me? I wanna remember as much queer coded characters in media that we have as possible lol

@@ullieya The older brother of Norman's friend Neil is a football player named Mitch and Norman's sister Courtney is really thirsty for him the whole movie. Throughout the movie we only really know that Mitch is good at sports and cares about his younger brother. It's only at the end of the movie that he says he's got a boyfriend who would enjoy hanging out with Courtney cause he likes some of the same things Courtney does. I forgot what exactly Mitch said about his boyfriend, but it was kind of a groundbreaking thing to have a gay teenage boy character be proud of having a boyfriend and just casually saying it. The fact that he was masculine and had typically masculine interests and traits also kind of was unconventional for the time ParaNorman came out.

Hear, hear!

A gay relationship in a fantasy setting 🥺🥺 when will we get this again...

Exactly!

I'd agree, except the only reason they went that far was that they knew the main stream audience wouldn't take that part seriously. Xena and Gabrielle could have outright declared that they were lesbians and the general audience would have taken it as something for the straight men to ogle or as gals being pals.

The platform producing Xena, forbade the writers and producers to make it a story about lesbians, so they purposefully put as much gay subtext as they could. They made them kiss, say they love each other, cuddle, say how attractive they found the other and even plan to raise a child together. It took a male here and there, for the platform to let them do it. After it has ended, both actors and creators of the show, have said that they were practically a married couple for most of the time.

And this is why I get sucked in every time

Unfortunately, the "queerbaiting" and "queer-coding" often also ends up pinning stereotypes on gay people, as heterosexual writers decide who is gay based on who doesn't fit heteronormative society. "XYZ woman acts like a man, so she must have the same sexual interests as _all_ men...because all men like women, right? So she's lesbian" It's the problem I feel with Betty from the Rugrats suddenly coming out as gay. She's "lesbian" just because she's butch, masculine, and talks about girlfriends from the past. But why can't she also be attracted to men, and be attractive to some men as well? To me, if a producer didn't have the courage to make their characters gay before, and sank their dignity enough to sell their character to a company by changing their sexuality, that character isn't worthy of honor, even if they "come out" later. I'm looking for characters that are unapologetically gay, not ones with a "in the closet" past. Yes, that's the story of so many of us, but who would want a movie or show about their past "straight" relationships? None of us. I swear it's straight people telling us who isn't straight.

Interesting. I also recently learned that Gaston's live-action actor is gay.

That’s...actually a really good point. Makes the song “kill the beast” that much more interesting.

@@someonerandom8552 It's the song "Gaston" that becomes more interesting for me, and is the one with the most tells. Throughout the movie he never actually shows an interest in women, and his choice in Belle is wholly strategic and based on what he thinks a man should want. When she rejects him, he seeks confirmation of how desirable he is from his fellow men ("Gaston"), and largely ignores the girl who are also swooning for him, except to use as a prop to show up his manly aptitude (ie, when he presses the bench). The song even references the "other team" metaphor, "You can ask any Tom, Dick, or Stanley, and they'll tell you whose team they prefer to be on" Suggesting not only that Gaston is on the "other team" but these men as well.

The lead animator for Gaston, Andreas Deja (who, point of interest, was also the lead animator for Scar and Jafar) is an openly gay man. Just thought I'd add that to the conversation.

@@lunarstargazer I never thought of that. But you make a very compelling case for your interpretation

I can understand it, despite being not going that way... I tried to post it before, but as soon as I mention a few words, it gets deleted... What I wanted to write is that if people believe that you are destined to go to _Jigoku_ because you're _HAPPY,_ then what keeps you from sinning? When I fell in love for the first time, I was afraid of my own family and expected that I might get disinherited, just because that girl didn't fit their expectations (religion, nationality, and appearance). It must be a nightmare being born _different_ in a very religious community... PS: YT-algorithms really need to be fixed!

Same!! I liked how close they were with people of the same gender as themselves. Growing up (I was born in 1995, so there wasn't as much homophobia as there used to be but it was still taboo), my parents didn't tell me about gay people. My peers told me about them when I was 11. So as a child I was fascinated by the villains in films, because they were really close to people of the same gender, and so was I. I didn't know that being gay was an option, this was the closest representation I'd seen of someone being close to people of the same gender, so I wanted to be a villain when I got older. Even as a teenager, coming out one day didn't seem to be an option, because it just didn't seem to be accepted or a mainstream thing. Gay people in movies and TV were still just the villains, or strange flamboyant/butch characters who stay on the sidelines. It seemed like I was destined to be a villain - apart from other people with a dark secret, longing to be with someone I was attracted to but never able to act on it. It really fed into my inner narrative that being gay made me strange and wicked.

@@jp9707 I do like flamboyant characters that don't give a F, but I don't like these Sissis on TV. Also, I have a soft spot for tomboyish girls. PS: my mother had no education about these things as well and thought that she was dead ill when she started bleeding for the first time...

@Johan Liebert It means you have the hots for the oldies my friend 😌😎

Same. Also, for _some_ reason, I related a lot to outcast/misfit characters, including the Beast and Mulan.

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They 100% did!

It was chapter 476 in the (still ongoing) saga of White Men Ruin Everything

@@Spl33nMary444 👍🏽

True dat!

yep😂

Kate McKinnon comes to mind

It explained everything to me...

I’m straight and can’t sit in a chair properly 😆

as a bi girl, yes i do that

Isn't that how Princess Aurora died?

Lmfaooooooo

Lmaooo xDDD

Thank you! I have seen little to no representation of the a-spec community in the media. Most of the time it’s not even done well. I have also seen people label male characters who have been with women as gay because he liked one male character. Bisexuals and asexuals exist too!

@@Spineless-Lobster Sex Education does a pretty good job at including bi/ or asexual characters. Without making such a big deal about it or letting it define their personality I thinl

@@alenciaga21 Yess! however, sex education also has a lot of lgbtq+ characters as a part of their storyline in general. sometimes it feels like ticking off a list. Are there any shows/ movies featuring a spec/ aro/ ace characters (apart from sex ed)?

@@shalakaj523 hm I don't watch too many series so I might be missing a lot. I see Sherlock as the only really asexual character I can think of. Those are really not shown. I don't even think it's any sort of phobia or denial of those shows who include queer characters. But romantic relationships and sex are ALWAYS used for drama so I guess writers and viewers might find aromantics/as boring? Which is total bullshit to me since I actually find those character annoying who only define themselves over their sexuality.

@@alenciaga21 Yes, I watched the series and I really like it. It actually helped me realize I was asexual.

That song is gay culture

Literally Buffort especially was so queercoded that for me it's cannon

Candace and Vanessa also had potential together, like the time they ended up wearing each other’s clothes after the laundry mat mix up

I always thought they liked each other

Ooooh, yes, but I really despise Bully-victim relationships. Issa no for me.

I'm saying.... 💯💯💯

Her character was in love with that one douchebag tho. So while I'd love it if she was gay or even bi, they sort of queerbaited her on us a bit.

I don't think they've watch many of these films. Even the black and white ones. Even before the Hays Code there weren't movies with gay couples or talking about sex or showing people french kissing etc

Precisely, at the end of the day, who you choose to love is nobody's business except for your own. Much like Rosa Diaz, there should be more proud LGBTQA Plus characters who are sure of their Sexuality, and who explicitly admit to being so, as opposed to just being hinted at.

Yeah, I believe that it is time to retire this trope. It's time to stop hiding.

Exactly what I just posted, but more succinct.

Thank you! I was looking for this comment. Tai was not queer.

Exactly

I just got that, 25 years and dozens of rewatches of Clueless later.

@@nea807 How are you so sure?

@@adoringsharon well I should correct my words, she was not a lesbian. She had a thing for both Elton and Travis.

Those examples are sitcoms; question answered.

Yeah in writing workshop I saw someone try to write a farm girl who is naturally stronger, more built out and direct in her confrontations than a typical female character due to the context she is raised, working on a farm. No mention of love throughout the story but it ended up being workshopped into being a frame tale with the now grown woman and her husband telling her story to their children. Half the workshop complained because she was "obviosuly gay". I know it's ironic but sucks to erase one identity and then just use it as a stereotype for another.

That goes for all stereo types

Some family members of mine had a conversation about gay people and they agreed that you can always tell when people are gay. I interjected that I know gay people who you won't assume are gay from the way they look or act. They sort of brushed me off by say, "Well most of them". This conversation happened last year.

I was looking for this comment. Thanks.

Youre queer?

Disney were absolute cowards for not pulling the trigger on that one.

finn and poe kiss >>>>> reylo kiss

Same.

@@ohnoes423 Finn and Poe had way more chemistry than whatever the fuck reylo was

Oscar Issac himself said he played the character as interested in finn

Don't worry. Many of us view her that way.

and thats exactly what it is. People are just turning it into something else because they WANT it ro be that 🙄

@@a.d.w8385 No, I think the entire movie was a metaphor for a gay coming out story

As an ace, I totally saw her as an asexual! It's kinda annoying that everytime a woman isn't with a man, people automatically assume she must be lesbian. It's like ace erasure, but I'm not that deep about it -- mostly bc I'll take my crumbs wherever I can get it lol

@@unicorntomboy9736 naa it was really not. lol

They're a start, at _best._ And by this point, we're WELL past the "start" for all the demographics brought up in this video.

Love this sentence so much ❤️

She is? Neat.

They could've just made cas appear in heaven and they hug or something and it would've been ten times better, but nope

Given that Dean did have relationships with women during the show, but was also very into a few guys, I always thought he was bisexual personally. However, I am a cisgender male who can unabashedly say that Sam and Dean are very attractive men. I became, however, after a couple seasons, and especially after Lucifer blew him up in I think the season 5 finale, fairly certain that Castiel was homosexual (not the human host, since we see him with a wife he clearly loves and their child in season 4, I think). However, I also clearly thought that Dean and Cas were clearly in love with one another from season 6 onwards, especially how they reacted and talked to each other. And Dean literally showing that broken reaction after Cas died proved it to me.

@@ryanedwards7487 I'd like to believe that they were in love, I really do... my biggest ship ever

@@ryanedwards7487 you're probably the only man who's neither uncomfortable talking about this (in the spn fandom at least) nor repulsed by the idea

@@MariaMoz hah, I seriously doubt that. You just have to remember the online fans boil down into either superfans or trolls. And most young superfans have a hard time reconciling the fact that the person they live vicariously through may be gay. I mean, there were people unbelievably upset that the young Iceman from another universe in Marvel was gay. I have no idea why some people can't get over it. Love is love, and it's rare as can be, so don't begrudge it in others wherever they find it. It's like all those people who couldn't watch Brokeback Mountain without being skiddish. It's a very good, and tragic, love story; why does it matter that it's between two men? Some people really need to watch some Frasier, look at the terrific couple Robin Williams and Nathan Lane portray in the Birdcage, and realize that that same love and lust they feel for whoever they are with is the same darn thing any LGBTQ person feels for their significant other.

Also it was made befor the phrase 'queer baiting' was in common use, so the writers couldn't discuss: "Should we be queer baiting?" It was innuendo.

This is now the 'Xena and Gabriel' ' thread.

13:41 "... without ever delivering on anything explicit enough to alienate a homophobic audience" But wasn't the show banned in at least one country for its lesbianism?

I always wondered why my mom forbade me from watching Xena in the 90s lol. The killing had something to do with it too.

@@Mecharnie_Dobbs I swear when my mom introduced Xena to me everything changed. She was literally my first female crush and that's never changed. I love my box set. xD

Yaas! I'm really hoping that in the upcoming show She-Hulk that the wardrobe is stacked with suits :)

@@amandak.5967 There's a She-Hulk show coming?

@@Angi3_6 Yup! In 2022 on Disney+. The cast & crew seem pretty promising. She Hulk will be played by Tatiana Maslany (from Orphan Black).

GOD I LOVE BUTCH WOMEN

Absolutely

People don't think that she's a lesbian just because she talked to the girl. It's because that character was made to be in a relationship with Elsa. People were glad for the representation and felt that Disney was moving in the right direction. However, when the movie came out it showed otherwise. I do also think she's aromantic, but she's been locked in a castle all of her life and the writers really haven't given her as much personality as the other characters so it's hard to say anything about her.

I agree. We’ve never seen her express any attraction to anyone.

@@ralv511 Can you provide me the source that states the writers and Disney initially intended to make her character to be Elsa's partner?

Yeah I agree especially considering the most important part of her big finale song is literally the line "You are the one you've been waiting for".

@@charizard7326 I think most people talking about this are referring to Frozen 2 since she is a main character in that film which she arguably was not in Frozen so you get a lot more personality. Edit: Especially in reference to the songs most people are talking about her two songs in Frozen 2 not Let it go.

She's not interested in women either. If you take her journey as a metaphor, it ends with "You're the one you've been waiting for". She's aro-ace. Not gay

Her songs read too queer for me. “Let it go” and “You are the one I’ve been waiting for” don’t read ace to me. Sorry

@@Abraham-gf1oi ? How can they not be ace? Lmao. Not saying she must be but nowhere is there an indication that she must not be.

@@Abraham-gf1oi lol this whole movie is literally about her loving and looking for herself. This applies to all sexualities. There is nothing queer about it.

@@Abraham-gf1oi Really? That song still resonates hard with walking away from fundy land. It's a global go screw yourself I am not staying in this tiny little box anymore song.

@@che7941 Technically, if it 'applies to all sexualities' people are going to call it 'queer.' There's surely nothing that says the only way to find strength in yourself means you *must* be ace or else 'be hurting people's feelings.' Aces surely get a hard time for the same reasons lesbians and a lot of bi women do, though, 'Failure to perform straightness.' People don't have to be exactly like you to speak to your story.

wow it's almost like regressive censorship leads to *checks notes* the proliferation of regressive ideas

Like no ones even questions it, it’s not and issue it’s just how it is bc that’s life

I love the 100

Virtuosity.

@@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry Thank you :) I’m still learning english and I’m Glad that’s the only correction I’ve got xD

They even did market research in 2016 or 2017 to see how audiences would respond to Dean being bi. Clearly they chickened out and ended up making it seem like Dean had a lobotomy in the last episode cause he suddenly didn't care that Cas was gone. When every other time Cas 'died' Dean was destroyed and drank himself half to death. 😑 He was even suicidal after Cas was killed by Lucifer.

Similarly to Korrasami.

Honestly the scene felt like they were trying to make everyone happy and I'm pretty sure it ended up doing the opposite

@@drfifteenmd7561 At least Korrasami didn't have Bury Your Gays. The best bis actually got their happy ending, wedding imagery and all (sans actual wedding, but it was the best we had at the time in children's media).

@@VickiLovesDoctorWho right! Like so all of a sudden he doesn’t care about cas ?? 💀

Lol as a kid I just assumed he was sissy because that’s just what “sophisticated” artist types were like. Guess I inadvertently picked up on a possible “artiste” trope lol

Didn't work. Putting something in a joke, normalises it. Exaggeration sudgests the existence of a thing to be exaggerated.

@@Mecharnie_Dobbs for joke to be problem someone should see it in a serious way, and belive it or not a lot of people take s joke seriously except the ones that complain about it

Yes but all the Monty Python members dressed in drag characters or played varying degrees of gayness at one time or another in the show, I've since learned that gay in England is a way more commonplace thing, an everyday thing, than in America where they're treated so much differently and shamed/shunned/murdered! for it, etc. In England, it's like, part of their culture I guess. The gay member of Monty Python was Grahame Chapman, I hope I've spelled his name right. He died of cancer, not Aids.

@@monkeytennis7477 It's not that much better, we're a bit less homophobic mainly because we're less religious, but when Monty Python was being made society was still massively overwhelmingly homophobic. However what we call "camp comedy", men in drag and very obvious "queer coding" is popular in old fashioned comedy.

@@mankytoes Yes it seems to be an old fashion comedy staple. I've seen some George Formby movies (he's my favorite) that have campy stuff in them. Also who can forget brilliant Mr. Humphreys on Are You Being Served? Always hinted at, not overstated, but the audience knows and likes him anyway. Oops, almost forgot Benny Hill too.

That gets really annoying, and the worst part is if you disagree with them and say, "I don't think they're supposed to be gay." They call you homophobic. Homophobia is a real thing, but come on. Not to mention, they often times don't even say that these people could be bisexual, they just insist that the character in question must be gay, even if the character has shown obvious interest in and has romantic partners of the opposite sex. It just erases bisexuality. You'd say, "Well this person is obviously into the opposite sex too, so maybe they could be bi." And they will say, "No. They're just gay. That's a fact." I don't blame them entirely for shipping characters, especially since straight people do this too with opposite sex couples, and the lgbtq community has very little representation in the media, but the problem is when they take it too seriously and act like their speculations and theories are fact, and act arrogant when you disagree with them.

Yeah the whole stud or femme thing in the wlw community is kinda getting annoying in my opinion, I love typical feminine things and typical masculine things, but the idea that for example you can only be a super masculine or a super feminine lesbian, like tf is up with that or that there’s a typical way how gay women/girls dress dress, no thank you I'm queer and I don’t wanna cuff my jeans bc all my pants are usually too short and that just makes it worse. Like this part of the gay community is literally stereotyping themselves, I'm sorry I'm not here for it. Dress however you want, but we should stop labeling things so aggressively in my opinion, just freaking ask a person if they are gay, straight, bi, pan, asexual, aromatic, etc., that should become a thing in my opinion. Not assuming but asking, because I don’t go around assuming things about people based on just what I perceive, no I actually ask them or it come up if they are idk a dog or a cat person. Of course you can have a suspicion, but just ask before you assume.

to be completely honest, when there are characters with non conventional portrayals of masculinity or femininity, at least till 1960s- 70s, there is a hint of assumed representation. it is also a way to see yourself and your expression/ desires portrayed. even when it gets queer baited in the end. imagine the minuscule representation of lgbtq+ individuals in storylines, rarely the protagonist or so, that hints of non conventional allow yourself to feel represented. especially when the behavior in books or movies does border on being non straight/ cis. like yes, it is sad that non typically feminine or masculine gets you characterized as gay/ lesbian, but unless you actively make typically masc/ feminine characters a part of the lgbtq+ community naturally the trope does not end.

@@windshieldlaugh7411 actually, what about non giving a damn about who they are, or aren't, attracted to. Everyone moves at their own pace. Sometimes, asking someone their sexual or romantic orientation can be very triggering, as they might not know, or they have had a complicated relationship with their orientation, or they might not feel safe enough with you to tell you. Each one is completely okay. Don't assume anything, if they mention a partner or lack of, or any orientation they might identify with, be cool about it. Not everyone is where your are. Especially if you are straight or not out as queer to them. Don't ask them about their potential queerness without them mentioning it first

If anything I would say she might have experimented she’s flirty with Tayna sometimes lol

I like to call this kind of "being so macho everyone suspects you're gay" scenario "The Top Gun Phenomenon"

xDDDD

Anyone know how queer the Boom comics have been?

It's sad, many people think that the only human relationship is a sexual one. It's very shallow. I agree, there are many other human experiences than romantic ones.

Yes! This has been a bugbear of mine for many a year (in media and in real life); it seems hard for society to accept that two people that aren't related can have a strong bond of friendship, almost like family. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a good love story if I'm into the characters (but not ALL characters) but I too would like to see a bit more representation of the many aspects of human relationships, it seems rather niche these days. Nice point 👍

Agreed 💯💯 she's acearo, even Idina Menzel confirmed that.

TOTALLY, we have absolutely no representation excepting a few characters who's plot isn't even the main one

Unfortunately, people have rigid views about sexuality and relationships

I don't have a "political" interest in this fight, but I agree, leave the character as is. She's good that way.

Same with Sherlock, I was majoringly miffed that LGBT stole him to be a gay icon as the original Sherlock had zero interest in sex.

Me too

To me, either option is better than no representation at all.

We should just leave characters that have no romantic arc alone, no the person doesn’t have to be gay or asexual or aromatic, the creators could have just decided that a freaking romantic life and her sexuality doesn’t matter to the story, it’s not needed. In the end she is just a fictional character that doesn’t exist outside her movies and series. So I label her... nothing.

@@windshieldlaugh7411 you have a point. People are way too obsessed with sexuality and shipped than simply telling a good story

I think so too.

Except that Iduna is dead, or at least, she's not there at the glacier calling to Elsa and it's not even her calling to Elsa in the memory, either. Iduna is calling to Air to come play with her, which happens a couple of different times in the flashbacks. To me, what's happening is that Air is using the memory of air vibrations of Iduna's voice to call Elsa. And in my opinion, Water is working with Spirit to show Elsa the memory of Iduna in order to help her find herself and fulfill herself in her powers.

Primarily example: Destiel

@@imjustczarina actually the screenwriters wanted them to be a couple, which was why dean reacted so emotionally every time something happened to cas, but they network didn’t allow it, unfortunately

The two of them were Bisexuals, even explicitly, I would say. Phoebe kissed Rachel and was understood that she had kissed other women before. Chandler kissed a guy once and said that he was a very attractive men. There, that's enough. And seeing your profile picture, I would also say that... Johnlock is real and I still support TJLC, so f*ck you The Take (??) (i still love their videos but my soul needs to defend Sherlock even when it broke my heart).

Projecting much

@@Abraham-gf1oi - This is the 2nd time I've seen you triggered by the ace interpretation. Are you queerphobic or something?

Would anyone really expect to hear the words "aromantic" or "asexual" in a movie for pre-teens? Is "aromantic" even a word? (Spellcheck doesn't think so.)

I can see that. I also read Tonks as bi, but I don't like her and Lupin together. Love them both, but that relationship was so outta left field.

@@sabosage his reluctance to be with Tonks in 6 and 7 nearly screamed, "I'm gay, but the author is forcing me to be straight."

@@sabosage me too lol disturbes me the fact that when he was 13 she was a new born 😭✋🏼 and the fact he probably knew her bc she was related to sirius creeps me out

@@sabosage So true actually, I think if JK expanded on Lupin and Sirius' relationship would have been more compelling

@@emilycurtis4398 on a different note, I appreciate she stated that Dumbledore is gay but I'm perpetually confused why none of that is shown in the Fantastic beasts movies? JK stated she didn't want to show anything just imply, which is very disappointing on her end

Nooooo!

Some people actually think like this and it’s funny.

Emotions and sexual impulse are not black and white; I watched it and felt gay , yet I identify as a straight woman

*you're

@@teresabarbosa316 - You "felt" gay, what does that even mean?

I think that's direction they're heading into, hopefully.

Yes! especially since her sorry in the book sucks. Sad to see this strong girl become a babysitter essentially instead of a loved wife 😔

It would also be awesome if Benedict was confirmed to be bi/pan because that seemed to be where his story was going last season.

I hope she's asexual, it kind of gave me the vibes.

I agree, I absolutely adore all of their content, and it never fails to enlighten me!

@@trinaq Exactly!

@@trinaq I disagree, some of their recent takes have been “yikes“

@@jacobodom8401 Fair enough, while I've liked and enjoyed most of their takes, the only one I've vehemently disagreed with was their "Harry Potter" video, though it thankfully got taken down due to massive backlash.

Me too, though I found it refreshing that Elsa didn't get a love interest, since marriage or romance isn't for everyone.

@@trinaq exactly. I'm not aro or ace but I still wanna avoid relationships. I'm really like Elsa. I've even had a past like her and one day decided to 'let it go'. I'm glad Disney finally showed an introverted, aromantic, cold princess with a warm heart as opposed to the bubbly, extroverted and romantic princesses it always favoured.

Can I ask a question? Does aromatic only mean that you aren't interested in a romantic relationship or does it mean that you literally can't fall in love? Because if you do fall in love, what do you do then?

I think a lot of people feel she leans more that way than as gay.

@bts aroace ho Thanks for the answer, that's actually really interesting. I think the toughest part really is that everyone feels differently and people not believing your sexuality is a thing for example must be so frustrating. Personally I would find it so sad not to feel romantic attraction but that's only cause I am romantic as hell. xD doesn't mean that I would ever believe those people can't be happy in their own way. Like you said, it's basically not all black and white and everybody has their own unique life to live. And everyone should be allowed to live it passionately without people trying to change them

I’m my opinion bubbles is lesbian

It's the CW. They already ruined Supergirl. What do you expect?

I mean, I don't really care about the live action PPG, but I equally hate this idea that a character CAN'T be queer because it would be too stereotypical. It you get rid of the queer coding and actually go by openingly queer women in media, very few fall under the "butch" or even "soft butch" category. Hell, most don't even have short hair. It feels just as a queerphobic to police representation to be "non-stereotypical" when in reality there's nothing wrong with a queer woman being a tomboy/butch and a queer man being effeminate. The issue is not the stereotype but deciding that that is all the character is.

@@alexgaggio2957 You know a gay man can be masculine

Really? SMH 🤦🏻‍♀️