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I mean there's gastronomy, never had it but from what I hear it's kind of like cooking with a chemistry degree and supposedly tastes amazing.

CS majors complaining about having to actually learn how software works is hilarious. No engineer has ever complained about having to learn differential equations or thermodynamics because the software at their job does it for them. Most people whining on UKposts are asking for a coding bootcamp, not a university degree.

@@ironmatic1 do u have to understand all of automobile engineering and physics before you get your drivers license? I totally understand ur point but the way school (atleast a lot of them) go about teaching things is in CS is fairly not optimal

@@SethuSenthil IDK about driving, but I would 100% hope that the person building my car has an engineering degree and knows his/her physics! Just because software isn't usually life-or-death like many other engineering practices doesn't mean you shouldn't know the underlying math/science stuff. But you don't need a degree to buy an iPhone and use an app :)

Lmao I love seeing the LinkedIn job postings marked Entry-Level with any number of required years from 3-9, I stg sometimes those are senior positions too 😭

When you get out of college you just put down 8 years experience just to get past the computer.

You guys know that's 3-5 years or an equivalent degree right? Not both.

@@BTrain-is8ch I honestly don't know that because no one tells us that and I never see an HR person to clarify. All I was told is that different companies have different expectations and maybe even different definitions of what is equal to what. And that maybe I should get my masters but I literally can't afford that.

@@NobleAbsinthe Every company I've ever worked for has been 3-5 years or an equivalent degree. We're not interested in hiring someone with no background or experience but a BS CS or BSE SWE is perfectly fine. I wouldn't recommend a masters. It'll probably cost you more in total (it's not just about tuition, it's more about the cost of spending another two years not working, picking up real world experience, and growing your compensation package) than it will add in value. If you've got a BS in CS or SWE go ahead and apply to whatever entry level positions you like. You'll be fine.

Honestly same,this one felt very cinical and depressing

Yeah, I can't say it's not like how he said, but usually if you're willing to look where others aren't looking and be a little opportunistic (not in a finance kid way) you'll be ok, no one can guarantee FAANG or anything but if you love coding and don't need the first opportunity that comes your way and just explore your own interests and build your own style, you'll be ai.

Reality is that you just have to lie on your resumee and in interviews. Why? Because everybody else is doing it. Recruiters expect it of you.

@@celestia4439 hes not exaggerating this is what its actually like lol

@@celestia4439 This was pretty much my experience lol

Idk why it's always FAANG or burger flipping. State has CS jobs and you can always do IT work

Sure, but they rather take someone without an CS degree for thos positions. Because otherwise they would be hiring smarter people than themselfes. CS degrees are a meme.

​@@codemaster4261At least in Germany the degree cost anything, so you don't have debt. But yeah, you didn't go through this stuff to become a random fullstack guy for 60k. That's just insulting your intellect when you could do crazy AI stuff as well.

More likely you get 40k to install Windows and printer drivers on employees laptops. 60k is hilariously high for germany.

@@codemaster4261 Even German universities pay 60k for a fulltime PhD thesis in 2023. Just saying... Don't settle for less than public sector pay. PS: I guess I'm good at installing Windows because IT support offers are hitting my LinkedIn like crazy 😂😂😂😂😂

It it because it's hard to aim the cannon or is it because the cannon ball is so big that it will obliterate the fly?

how is that true though? social media companies must have complex algorithms that I assume take heavy development to squeeze as much time and involvement out of their users as possible, right? not like its a simple operation in the backend?

​@@snaeshaads8203yes but it's not new or innovative so it is a waste of your skills

I've heard it's like studying metallurgy to become a welder.

@@snaeshaads8203 The thing is computer science is an incredibly broad and complex subject. The theory of it goes back to mathematics and even philosophy (the Halting Problem and the limits of what can ever be solved, etc), which has virtually nothing to do with how a compiler works, which itself has virtually nothing to do with how a typical modern web app works, which has nothing to do with machine learning, which has nothing to do with OS kernels, etc. In a degree you take courses touching on all of this stuff, plus math up to vector calculus, etc. But 95% of it is very, very removed from the actual day-to-day reality of software engineering. The term code monkey exists for a reason. Lots of people just write code, the same kind of code they've been writing for 10 years, without ever drawing on any of the broader theory underlying computer science. That said, if you work at FAANG or other top tier places, they will absolutely expect you to be a wiz at algorithms and whatnot, at least for your interview. How often it actually comes up in practice I suppose depends on the work you're doing. But I seriously doubt it's enough to justify the culture of grinding leetcode and the like that CS has. Also, despite CS being a pretty difficult degree, lots of employers barely care about your undergrad. Experience and acing the technical interview are what matter.

For sure. Way too many people are in CS because they saw an influencer say it's easy money (not true), like video games, lack social skills and decided to lean into the stereotype, or for other half baked reasons. Most don't graduate, and those who do are doomed to a career of mediocrity at best.

How can I contact you, if you're willing to talk to a 2nd year SWE student? I read your comment and can see that you're very passionate about what you're doing. I have some questions about the career and I'd like to know your opinion on those. Thank you :).

@@FabriGLiza So youtube apparently doesn't let you comment with an ad block on. Been trying to reply to you.

@@ziebplew mediocrity still pays the bills.

Hello, do you think it’s feasible for a student to work while studying for a CS degree? My father has already expressed how he is not going to be helping with any expenses while I’m in college and I know I will have to take loans out but I still need money for living expenses and books.

relatable

I wish I made your mistake, so I wouldn't have to be so painfully aware of my reality.

I thought the exact same and I was confused at first

man that sad. i'm in my second year trying to get into the cs program at my school and I'm realizing why I should switch my major 1st it doesn't feel like i have a passion for coding, sure messing around in coding is fun like making basic stupid codes of input or loops and whatnot but when it comes to learning new things i find it hard. 2) Amount of math u gotta do for cs. insane. just pure insane. not sure why i still chose cs after looking at math requirements. i realized if I'm struggling badly in calc, then calc 2, linear algebra and god forsaken discrete math will eat me up. 3) the hype and stigma of cs IMO was the reason why i chose it, everyone and their pet cat was doing cs and everyone was telling me to do it and ill be making 6 figures, high school me got convinced to do it, even knowing its gonna be hard, didn't realize how hard it is. so now Im kinda annoyed on how I've spent so much time trying to get into a program i knew i wasn't gonna like in the first place lol

​@@saltysweatyhandsbroo , i am from a pre med bg so should i come into this major or not?!😢

​@@saltysweatyhandsyou should consider WGU, it's accredited and on-line, self paced, requires calculus 1 and 2 discrete math classes. All that extra math is dumb AF for CS, it really is, especially school's who require CS students to take the same series of math as engineering students. Tbh it's dumb ASF for most engineering majors as well besides electrical engineering and computer engineering sort of, civil engineering etc. Nobody uses that shit in industry... And people who do use it, are using very powerful calculators to solve those kind of problems (not talking like hand held calculators either). But yeah, give WGU a look if all those math classes got you down. That or just stick it out.

@@hooriyaansari2961nope med better

Oh so there are good careers in cs without coding too

I had to work in old navy until I got my first job lol

Buddy why in the world are you working as a burger flipper bruh

@@Dacc-wp2mf raised burger flipping job wages by a whopping $5/hr here in cali.

thank you bro, could never get here without you. money goes straight back into channel for quality

Didn't even watch it lmao

you heard brilliant is sponsoring this video. You heard the word "brilliant", and that's enough marketing for brilliant@@icemine2418

Sponsorship for even more useless math lmfao

Same here.

true

Same here

save yourself, learn react, js

@@subid.majumdar react/js is way more fun and easier than C

Hi there brother! Congratulations on landing a pen tester job!! I am also interested in red teaming and I am currently in my 3rd year of CS degree. Could you help me by telling me some kind of pathway or resources that could help me??

​@@worldofgamers4316 Brilliant, I just so happen to have researched into this a little bit yesterday. If you google "programming intern job", google will show you jobs from like linked in and indeed, and if you're a 3rd year, you probably meet many of their qualifications. I'm not taking courses yet but it's nice to know that there's plenty of room when I start.

Also interested in pen testing, Hack the Box is a great free place to start but you get price-walled so fast it's not even funny. What you really need is real world experience in linux command line, which you get from 1) using linux daily on your PC, and 2) maintaining some sort of server, doesn't matter what it is or how it runs, if it does run and keeps running then you're successful. The more stuff you run (game servers, ftp, databases, imap stuff) the more you will be familiar with pen testing tools.

Yeah if there's one thing CS students should know it's internships are everything. Get as many as you can with the best companies you can. And make connections with your coworkers. In other engineering fields your degree matters a lot, in CS it really doesn't. It's all experience and being a god at leetcode and technical interviews.

Absolutely. Internships as early as possible are far and away the best way to get ahead.

Internships in freshman or sophomore summer in this market😂😂😂. Good luck lol

You make it sound easy. Nobody wants freshman or sophomore for their internships

@@briannaalejo9226Freshman here, just got offered a paid summer CS internship by a local startup company. Gotta put in effort to get the internships

I'm not going to say it's easy especially since I did it like 2 years ago, but I did have to apply like 20 times before even being interviewed. It's low-key just a numbers game once your resume is good enough, but don't stop applying and getting feedback, and it's very possible to get an internship as a sophomore. Freshman is a little harder, but possible nonetheless.

because life is hard. you go to college, its hard. you dont go to college, its also hard. choose your path and stop watching youtube, if you all you're planning to do is bring yourself down.

There is no work easy in life just hard that's reality

Because its the reality. You'll also find plenty of videos saying how there are plenty of jobs because they're selling shovels (cs content), but the Software gold rush is over.

If software engineering is genuinely your passion you'll do fine. Just don't half ass it, and get as many internships as you can with recognizable companies. That said, CS courses and actual software engineering are quite different. Make sure you actually like the job you'll be doing. If you're iffy on it after a year or two I'd switch to a different engineering major. Most other stem fields respect your degree way more and don't have nearly as demanding technical interviews.

@@seaweed428 that's one of the realest things I've ever seen in a UKposts comment.. well said o7

So true lmao, my cs teacher said he and his team used to present a great mock-up to the clients if they didn’t finish the code, or just the program that worked under specific use cases😂

much love bro, i hope to make you proud. :)

@@bigboxSWE you make me proud with every new upload, keep doing this bro

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Dude, if I could reattempt tests infinitely I would be so happy. The school system really disincentivises failure but that's the only way I learn.

@@Rawi888 He's lying, that sounds outrageous to take the final 12 times over. How does the prof even organize that?

🤡

@@skyhappy Could be auto graded or something, and then the prof only enters the grades into the system once it's the deadline.

i agree with you so much. same boat as you, I struggle with math and started to take my first cs course. hate how other classes get in the way. when i truly start to grasp, i have to do work for other classes. its an endless cycle of falling behind and catching up for me

This is crazy. Our university teaches us unit testing in the first year. Who on earth thought it was a good idea to leave unit testing for the last year?

you chose a science degree for programming? lol

@@anon1963 a lot of people assume CS would be about programming. Boy are they(including me) wrong! And I didn’t and still don't have the luxury of changing my major, so I'm stuck with it.

@@mahmud1019yes I was wrong as well. advanced math slapped me really hard. but hey I did some research about how all that math and physics will help me and I decided to roll with it

Computer science is not there to teach you to be a programmer. It's to teach you computer science. Don't know why you expected any different

@@manofsteel9051 where I'm from there are not many people who try to clear this misconception. I wish they did and even 4 years ago this topic wasn't as widely discussed as it is now. I hope you understand how I fell into this. Lack of widespread knowledge and lack of research on my part. If I had known better, I would've picked Software Engineering as my major.

no debt? howww?

@@oscarthomas1974 Scholarships and working my through school. Oh, and living with my parents so that I don't have to pay housing fees. :D

@@gold4963 Good for you! Hope you can land a decent jobs, dont worry about not getting one, just strive to be better, wish you good luck, stranger.

how's the jop markte? i want to join CS but idk if its still worth it or meh

Computer architecture (the same thing, just called that at my school) was definitely hell.

@@RandomNoob1124 As a new student, I couldn't agree more

Doing Computer Organization and Operating Systemd rn. Wanna kms probably gonna fail

@@colinseguin9651 Im taking both classes at a community college right now, and both of them are the easiest classes ever. Why is that? Well 1. they're online 2. My OS class is just full of easy labs 3. My Comp Org class class never has homework posted. I guess I lucked out by going to a CC instead huh

There literature that says drinking your own piss is good, I guess you should get a glass ready.

It's more that Computer Science is no longer strongly related to programming. Software engineering courses are, shockingly, more about software engineering than it is computer science. This is the equivalent of being shocked that physics isn't a great degree for learning the skills to get a job as a mechanical design engineer.

Care to elaborate a bit?

Yeah, all my professors think at my job I'll be talking with my supervisors about Finite-Automatons and benefits of the Waterfall model for SW development

​@@Kilian2computer science is a science subject, which means it has to, by definition, talk about the science parts that relate to computers. Programming happens to be one of them. Software engineering is the study of building software using certain principles, similar to how circuit engineering is the study of making circuits using certain principles. Software engineering is about software creation done from an engineer's perspective. It has a lot of programming because it's about software. Computer science is about the science of computers, of which programming is a small subset only.

You know, these comments have really shined a light on something. It’s made me realize some assumptions I (and many others) assume. These replies are arguing the case that computer science and getting a degree is strictly an academic approach, but the disconnect is many go into it with the intent of preparing for the job market.

i was in business and i couldnt stand it so i switched to cs, still hate it but at least its somewhat interesting and doesn't bore me to death

bro this shit looks fun to me. I rather sit at a desk coding over dealing with other shit. There are certainly harder paths in life than CS.

@@hotman718 yeah that’s what I thought too bro until you realize it’s impossible and there’s never an end to what you have to learn. I mean if you understand it though then kudos to you

@@clintn.kildepstein1656 so it's kinda like music. You can learn and get good but your only ever scratching the surface on what you can learn

would an IT degree also be good?

ok

ok

Where did you get your degree?

​@@nothingimportant380Probably in Europe 🤔 ?

@@nothingimportant380 Brigham Young University, in Utah. Definitely great value for my money, but the classes were all over the place in how useful/helpful they were.

dw not everyone gets a job in their field of study straight away. happens to a lot

Oh lord these comments, kinda makes me wanna let go of university lol

what r u studying?@@behrozzafar8447

"straight away" unless u know someone, get lucky with an apprenticeship, or make some successful app no one is gonna want someone who graduated years ago and has no experience in their field@@playversetv3877

@@behrozzafar8447same..

Assurance analyst? With a cs degree?

QA? You should be no less than Software Engineer unless you took this role to get experience only on testing side of things

which year are you studying in?

1st

much love bro

This and the fact that I’m a girl is why I’m considering not taking this major 😭

@@galaxygkm4696 why exactly is that relevant to not taking it?

@@rc8s Bro CS majors are like 85% male. And a lot of them are neckbeardy types. It's definitely a factor. A lot of companies in STEM fields want to hire women, but socially it can definitely be rough.

And there are tons of people who don't have any background in computer science do well in their studies just like all those who have played around programming language(s) before starting degree in CS

exactly what I'm doing, switched from CS to IT and am learning programming outside of school which makes it much more interesting to me.

@@salem8909 exactly that’s the move, I originally switched from a cyber major to IT after my first semester and love programming way more w

How do you guys learn outside the school

@@B7k7n videos, forums, chatGPT, coding projects for things you genuinely want to build

So basically getting the degree to make you more attractive to your future employer i see

I'm also in my 2nd year and the data structure is knocking me down. Also, there are rumors around the neighborhood about me doing something illegal in my house and only leave house mid night to grab some red bull at a nearby convenience store.

@@subarulenz1470that got dark really quick 😭🙏

@@subarulenz1470 yes data structures, took it thinking I'm gonna be a cs major, failed it now I'm not

yeah, the only thing u get out of it its people that are in the same path

So what's your advice?

@@DonaldFranciszekTusk get job

@@shaansingh6048 * where job *

depends on which college you are in

*Notice how you major was not ‘Computer Science’*

​@@andiuptown1711yeah let's gate keep people wanting to get an education.

You're not doing computer science...

sounds more fun that me first two years straight up math math and more math... and also taking useless courses that have nothing to do with CS for example English like bruh

Be happy about that. I finished top of my class, but can not land a job.

@@codemaster4261 You got this! That’s not an easy feat and definitely shows you have what it takes to get there, keep at it!

​@@codemaster4261what projects did you build for clients that turned a profit?

​@@codemaster4261Just Graduated. I fear this might happen to me as well.

​@@codemaster4261hey did u lanf a job? r u based in US?

Yeah, thats because most were forced to teach a class and often they could not even choose which class to teach.

So... you are starting...? Just you wait...

Wasted Time is a much bigger factor. Just going to uni in germany will not get you a job. You have to atleast work full time next to your studies. Because germany has almost no tech companies. Its mostly engineering. So most companies are just looking for a cheap workforce that does all their shitty IT work (sth a 13yo could do). Additionally the quality of german universities are way below that of other countries. Professors have zero passion for their profession. Most only got into it, because their parents are academics. All they do is publish shit tier paper or do not even publish at all.

​@@codemaster4261Yeah the German industry forces you to leave the country as a well educated programmer. I wouldn't necessarily say that German universities are bad, but they produce some kind of useless 2nd tier researcher without practical programming experience companies wouldn't wanna hire for 100k+

​@@marcotroster8247why would a graduate expect 100k salary? Try 30-40k first...

@@defaultdefault812 I have had a 3 year apprenticeship and 5 years of freelancing beforehand. I'm not a typical graduate. Even public universities pay 60k for a fulltime PhD. So you shouldn't go below that salary IMO.

@@defaultdefault812 I agree, although 100k isn't even that much these days. GL living in SF, NYC, or LA on anything less than 100k/yr.

I'm a 3rd year in Comp Engineering aswell. All the best out there bro.

I’m thinking to either become an electrician or do software engineering which one should I go with?

Well. You'd be useful in a zombie apocalypse as an electrician

@@syrus1233 If you're dumb and you know you're dumb be an electrician, If you are smart and you know you are smart be a software engineer. If you're in the middle software engineering will be hell with good pay, if you're in the middle being an electrician will be a breeze with good pay as long as you don't kill yourself on accident.

​@syrus1233 computer science. Hands down!

how did you get your internship?

You think you might need a boyfriend for the mental health?

is this math really THAT bad? like... is this possible for your average joe if they buckle down and really try? or am i in over my head? B- in algebra 2 in highschool.

You can’t be ok to math if you have this degree you must know a lot of math to complete this degree otherwise everyone would have had this degree It’s not so far from studying a math degree But it’s much more than just liking computers you also need to understand the technical stuff too

no u dont. I got lucky enough to start college in 2020 so i cheated my way through all my math classes and ive only come across basic algebra in the real world. But it all depends on what u end up doing as a swe@@teknul89

Idk I do mechanical engineering from what ive seen from people that do CS its at best the same difficulty, at worst harder.

Drop out, it's not worth it at 25. Go into cloud computing. Get some AWS/Azure/Salesforce certificates.

@@defaultdefault812bros giving out life advice like it’s candy

Man trust me keep pushing. I dropped out of uni and can't find shit in my country, I can't even pass hr barrier the competition is insane. I'm planning to go back to uni and get that cs degree and recommend you not giving up. Hold on for a few more years, is it too much for a better future? We can do it bro.

@@deniskremenetsky1370 thank you broski. This was the last week for registering for the new year and this was the push I needed.

Relatable. They made us do Lisp. The language that came out 3 years before the Beatles became popular. 4 years before the civil rights act. 15 years before the Vietnam war ended. That Lisp.

@@rodolf5941 I am being 100% serious.

I knew of a few people like that in the CS course of the most prestigious university of my country, they're like top 0.01%, definitely not the average viewer lol

how were you able to get so many internships??? it’s literally impossible to land one nowadays

@@dankhatana5739 This was when the market was way better. Now everyone is majoring in CS and it's super saturated.

No name companies mostly want someone who already knows everything so they could toss that person in to production while bigger companies have more time and energy to raise new talent.

@@caminari1522 that makes a lot of sense!

​@@caminari1522Maybe there are such companies, but not in Germany. So for me it's very painful to find any meaningful AI job at all besides a PhD program (because the prof likes me).