I have... insane drive timeout issues on several games with the 7900 XTX. Darktide is unplayable and I have had 2 RMA'd cards so far with the same driver issues, but I can run a 7600 RX on my system no issues. Phantom Brigade also drive timeouts, and a few DX12 old games like Deus Ex on DX 12 will crash, but DX 11 will not. I'd love to keep the 7900 XTX but... this issue makes it garbage. Cyberpunk no issues, a few bigger games no issues. BUt you CANNOT rely on this card to be able to run something. DO NOT. Get the 7900 XTX. Its drivers are insane, they are awful, AMD is not responding to us either. There's a hardware survey of 200+ people reporting this issue with hundreds of different hardware combinations. AMD will NOT answer.

@@ErgonomicChair hi, this sounds like there is a problem somewhere else in your system that only happens when you run a more powerful GPU (rx 7600 150W vs 7900xtx 350W). and once the 7900xtx is running is stressing more your system that that flaw is noticeable, power supply, ram even the motherboard power delivery.

@@TheBoltcranck Can't be, I have a 1200 watt power supply. That and it runs Cyberpunk 2077 ultra perfectly fine, it has nothing to do with power draw as I can also run synthetic benches fine. It IS an issue with the drives. DarkTide runs at 100 FPS, Cyberpunk at 60 FPS. Cyberpunk draws more power. Phantom brigade is less power/graphically draining than either and also crashes. This is a flaw with the driver suite of AMD and has been reproted on a survey of 200 people now all with different configurations and AMD knows about the issue, have acknowledged it to us in emails, but release ZERO press statements or recalls. Starfield actually had this isuse but they patched it out quickly enough... so they KNOW the issue and are doing nothing to fix it. Motherboard is an X670 Carbon Wifi, thing has zero issues, again, on Cyberpunk 2077. FAR more grpahically demanding than darktide.

@@ErgonomicChair hi, try disabling SAM bcuz for some users that helped in some motherboard models and maybe is motherboard vendor related in the bios.

@@TheBoltcranck Yeah, have tried this and XPO etc too, ntohing workd. This and there are around 200 responses on the hardware survey and it affects us all despite different hardware. It's... just horrid support for the 7900 XTX driver wise. No one can fix it but AMD, and even some verynew games like Darktide are unplayable for7900 XTX owners.

he used the most demanding games with insane settings to make the gpus struggle.

Real nowadays game developers just care about graphics and optimization is zero

they really ain't optimizing games properly anymore because of this upscaling DLSS/FSR bs 🤷

@@Zenbeau real

@@dallenishere7783 Did you check how both cards do well on RDR (which is also looks more beautiful and bigger) than Hogwarts or Remnant? The only demanding here is Alan Wake and Cyberpunk but that's just it.

Auch Strom kostet Geld :x

I got my 7900XTX for only 700€ brand new, fuck the power consumption. Payed almost half of a 4080 😂

For months? The 4080 S has only been out for a couple of weeks.

same in finland. if you dont need ray tracing much then 7900xtx is better. Also for longevity the massive vram is great.

in bulgaria 7900xtx is 1100 euro the cheapest crap models ...

+

+1

Prefer 1080p

@@Antipiperosdeclonyi think both 7900xtx and 4080s are straight overkill for 1080p.

@@dungeondeezdragons4242 no unless you use ultra with rtx on and 200% in game that allow it

Xtx gives better frametime and is 15-40% cheaper depending on your location. cheaper

@@dungeondeezdragons4242 ok so go buy amd no body cares

@@rochester3 Lol, calm down bro' :D

@@rochester3lol so let’s just ignore price cause I guess it doesn’t matter.

@@dungeondeezdragons4242 Ray tracing performance is worse than 4060Ti

4070 Ti SUPER gets destroyed by the 4080 SUPER... 4070 Ti SUPER is there to upsell you to the 4080 SUPER.

@@laszlozsurka8991 bruh what its like a 10% difference at 1440p

@@andym171 What 10% difference? 4080 SUPER is about 20% faster than the 4070 Ti SUPER. A 20% increase can push you with 12 FPS which is enough to put you from 48 FPS to 60 FPS. Also the 4080 SUPER is 25% more expensive but you also gain 20% better performance so the 4070 Ti SUPER is just an upsell to the 4080 SUPER

Daniel Owen Made a Video For that already.

in bulgaria 7900xtx is 1100 euro the cheapest crap models ...

One going for $909.99 on Newegg rn, 7900XT going for $719.99 on Amazon

​@@xxx333mmm Croatia here. 1152€ for the cheapest 7900xtx and 1350€ for 4080 super

That is why you should get a 24gig card, i think

​@@dungeondeezdragons4242no.

@@dungeondeezdragons4242 I agree. Really need amd to drop prices. I’m so broke lol

Nvidia taking the Apple approach to RAM pretending it’s made of gold and Vibranium.

Besides Vram 7900xtx is still winning in raw performance@@dungeondeezdragons4242

This is why every single game looks and behaves the same everyone is using the same engine with the same premade textures nothing is unique anymore

50w?

​​​​​@@noumenom1345 i think 50w is too much for 4fps LOL and NVIDIA have better temps, Core and memory clocks and AMD use AVG. 0.5GB more VRAM... for what?????😅😅 there is sovereignly 3:1 for NVIDIA, AMD have only bigger VRAM thats All...

@@kenjibushido26 4fps? Some games grant a bigger fps difference lol. And regarding the vram, its called future proofing, the industry i changing liek crazy and in a couple of years we will need a minimum of 20gb. Be quiet if you have nothing good to say

@@oscarnilsson2872 AVG. 4fps kiddo dont cry with your futureproof AMD at your home only one who need too much GB VRAM is AMD with his "futureproof" memory clock

The XTX use the old and reliable connector, that's one point that has to be considered. In the 4080 super case, better to undervolt it to avoid "surprises" with the new conector, because there were cases of melting contector with the 4080.

_Rich enough to spend $1000+ on a GPU but poor enough that you’re worried about less than a 1% difference on your total power bill._ *^This hypothetical person doesn’t exist in real life lol.*

God I hate memes and snarky internet smuggery

@@johnmoore1495 The GPU is only 0.01% of your house value, why dont we spend more?

@@DungxxHen confused at what you’re trying to say. That’d be a $10,000,000 home lol

I run a server (work/research related) 24x7 at home that uses ~200 watts average, that's now costing me ~£600 a year with current UK energy prices, it's not pre COVID energy prices where an extra 50 watts might set you back an extra £50 years, that now closer to £150.... while I can currently afford that difference ,mainly because I'm a bit older now and only game for maybe 16 hours a month, but I certainly do pay attention to such operational costs, and if it was the younger me playing at least the equivalent of a couple hours a day it would certainly matter with current energy prices, at least here Europe.

He takes it off for some of them but when it’s turned on it performs better then the other card

new games themselves are shite bro, do yourself a favour and get one of these GPUs and pair it with a 7800x3s or something. It'll easily last your 7+ years

@@anodyneliniment2326 Can vouch for the 7800X3D being an absolute fucking demon. This CPU absolutely stomps anything that even attempts to tank it lol

Nope all was tested on Native for both Gpu

@@KenneXS does amd have all features which also has rtx or which one is better ?

@@DianeFoxxx It's a very tricky question since Amd just released FSR3 is very great but nvidia RT & Dlss is still leading but vram is not that much if we compared to 24gb.. However 7900xtx is great on performance without RT on but downside it consume alot of power it reach 460w while rtx 4070ti S better performance RT ion & Dlss is great but only 16gb & it consume between 240w & 300w

dlss3 is useless. Lossless scaling killed this crap out. LSFG is way better than DLSS3 and just 7 bucks on steam

Undervolt

Because you've been led to believe that the i9 is a very hot card, when in reality, under normal conditions it isn't.

The i9 doesn't perform that badly in most games in terms of efficiency. Most people blow intel's power consumption and heat problem(which ill admit is still isnt ideal) out of proportion, with supposed '300W' and '100C' temperatures only showing after running the CPU in extremely intensive applications for extended periods of time.

@@auritro3903 True.

Nah at start it gave performance worse than 4080 even without ray tracing

​@@slmonbhoi2246 There was never a point where 7900 XTX wasn't faster than 4080 in raster. 4080 has always been behind in raster and ahead in RT. What's really interesting is most XTX are AIB models which are 5% faster (10% faster if overclocked) than the models used in these benchmark comparisons. Use my mildly overclocked Merc 310 in this same comparison and the 4080 super looks like a 4070 Ti

Where are u search noob? 4080 cost 1100$ at minimum price, u r ignorant

The temp and power draw

@@Universeverse923?

@@NickT9330 the temp and power draw of trashdown is 💩

@@Thejacketof-huang My 3080ti consumes +400w. So it's trash, right?

what k ?

This is Brazil

$1550?😱😱

@@A_dhit_a_m_ado the L

In Australia the 7900xtx is $1500 AUD and the 4080 super is $2000 AUD

​@@asdfg4330it's almost the same price in India too.1500 $ to 2250$ for 4080 super

Except the massive power draw of the 7900. Ouch.

​@@mintymusan extra 5 cents a day of power consumption means nothing.

I have the 4080s and it slaps for 1440p 240hz. Stuff like Path traced Cyberpunk still looks unreal in 1440p and I get like 100-120 fps. Also nearly any FPS game I get 240+ fps. I use DLDSR as well for some single player games to upscale to 4k, which works great most of the time.

Same question xtx literally runs at 400w out of the box, kinda funny to watch comparison video where one card is power limited by the user... next lets try power limited 4090 vs xtx

@@ImAziby It would have been funny if he undervolted XTX and fine tuned bit memory also. It would have taken less power but run better. What im saying its not always so simple that only power = better at least with amd. Everyone knows last 2 gens from AMD cards they run faster when undervolted.

Both of em are wrong in the most core factor PRICE!!!

@@samiraslan9735 if you watch these videos then its meant to show which one you wanna buy, if you watch these videos you shouldnt give a shit either cost above 1000$

you're brainwashed. GPU did not used to be as expensive as they are now and sheeple like you keep buying it and raising demand. there comes a time to put your foot down

4080 every so slightly faster then 4070 ti super and the dif between ti super and super is about 5 - 10% faster tho it depends on game obv

AMD fanboys hate it when you bring that up.

Its not that the cards aren't powerful enough, the games are just way too crappy and unoptimised

And that's why I play at 1440p ultrawide with a 4080 super. Will never move to 4K.

@@caribbaviator7058 yeah spending 1000 dollars to play on 2k

​​@@parasgupta8411 My monitor is 3440x1440. My mistake That resolution is still demanding.

@@parasgupta8411 Nothing wrong with playing on 2k tho and higher frames. Ofc this depends on what type of games you play. However I agree that the current market is overpriced for GPU's but that theme has been going on for a few years.

7900xtx is like 900

@@phantom0590 I think I saw it at $930, but I think $70 is worth 2x better RT performance and DLSS, because it certainly is pretty good to have. Though, 4070 SUPER is not worth $100 more than the 7800 XT lol, and also I think the 7900 XT needs to drop more in price.

In my country the 4080 s is 800 more than the 7900 xtx, the rquivalent of roughly 180 in dollars

calma calabreso

4080s is 200€ more here in Germany, not sure if its worth it, personally i would go xtx because i dont care about RT.

You don't need these videocards for this game. You need a good processor

I also have triples 1440p for sim racing. Dirt Rally 2 avg 90 fps, 40 avg high preset in ETS2, for a 12 year old game. I guess my 8700k and 6800XT are too weak, gonna upgrade to a 14600k to see if there's any improvement. We've gone far beyond the 4k realm. Fucking hell.

@@QuanLuuI have a 5800x3d but the 7800xt might not be cutting it, I might have to upgrade to a 4080 Super or the new 5000 series and maybe leave the 7800xt for a 2nd PC later on.

@@TheACCHRM Thoughts on the 7900XTX? In my country, you can buy a top 7900XTX (Sapphire Nitro+) for the money of an entry 4080S (MSI Ventus). From what I researched, AMD for rasterization and Nvidia for ray tracing. Haven't tried ray tracing, not sure if I need it tho.

buy it and post it

@@asdfg4330 I've had a 4080 for a while now, I don't need to buy one, I've got one at the moment! I said I prefer energy efficiency and good RT performance! Not just for gaming, but also because I render in - Blender 3D editor - in Optix render mode! However, to give you an idea of what I'm talking about... I limited the maximum power consumption of my card to 250 watts! 3Dmark Port Royal -- at default setting I get 17510 points. Sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less, depending on the automatic frequency control. In games I always use the RT function where possible! The card is very quiet when used this way, and I am particularly sensitive to this! Unfortunately, AMD cards with RT or using the HIP renderer in Blender don't even come close to this level at this power consumption! I emphasize, at this power consumption! Yes, the 4080 costs more, but it's not unaffordable. The 4090 was not an option for me, because of the high power consumption and the melting connectors! I didn't want to risk the latter! The 4080 is perfectly acceptable, I have been using it for over a year. Some people have the car as a hobby and spend 10,000 Euro every 2-3 years, but that would be a luxury for me! The petrol is unrealistically expensive, it would take a small fortune a year, and so would the service when the time comes! Compared to that, it's a "penny" item, symbolically of course! I upgrade video cards every 4 years, in that time, I can easily save up what I need! I know it's a "lot" of money, but to each his own...

yea the power efficiency of the 40 series is crazy good. The 7900 XTX only beats the 4080 via brute force. not very elegant but it works

Path tracing in Cyberpunk? Kiss the 4080 goodbye lmao. That shit even brings the 4090 to its knees. Ray and pathtracing are alpha/beta technologies for which us fools with overpriced GPUs are the Guinee Pigs. Why on earth people would rather have RT at 60fps, over no RT at 144+ is absolutely beyond me... it's staggering.

Typical AMD.

xtx

xtx will be more future proof. just put win power profile on high performance. AMD cards do not like the windows balanced mode atm. (dx crashes will be completely avoided this way)

@@jorgalbertkonigseder Terrible efficiency though. Much higher power draw for AMD. Ouch!

He undervolted?

I can guarantee you that AMD card is not going to age more gracefully. More and more games are going to be using RT. Unreal 5 games with dynamic ToD are all gonna use it. You are gonna run into terrible RT performance lot sooner than you will run into VRAM limitation of 16GB..

Rt? For the whole 4 games that actually support it?

​What about power consumption, dlss support much more games than fsr and stabel drivers? And used Nvidia gpu easier to sell. t​@@dungeondeezdragons4242

​@@dungeondeezdragons4242it's not 2018 but cope

@@coroysaa7074 ok, name serious games that actually support rt, aside from cyberprank, control and alan wake.

@@coroysaa7074 ok, list worthwhile games that support rt.

AMD will always be a whole gen under NVIDIA at RT.

they can easily catch up but for some reason they dont@@laszlozsurka8991

@@laszlozsurka8991 Always? 😂 Avatar uses RT by default and their performance is nearly the same

The difference won't get any better with the next Generation. To make matters worse, AMD is NOT going to come out with enthusiast class RDNA 4 cards. The highest models you'll see will be the RX 8800 xt and maybe an 8850xt down the line. The RX 8800xt is supposedly going to be as fast as the RX 7900xtx but it will be 40% cheaper. Rumors say AMD tried to make a high end, MCM, RDNA 4 card to take on the 5090, but it would have ended up costing around $2400usd.

not DLSS but it can use FSR. have a good look around. games aren't being optimized properly anymore. we are forced to use sht like DLSS cuz all these new games are really demanding to play and require the very best card

4080 s , it performs the same or just 5% worse than amd but has about 50-100 watts less power draw and ray tracing performance is double as good than amd you get frame gen , nvidia broadcast and all kinds of features

+ CUDA (screen recording without performance degradation, super-fast video editing in davinci resolve, etc.)

I'd say 7900 xtx for more vram if your planning to play at 8k

@@Vrgames100nobody playing at 8K lmao

​@@Vrgames100 8k gaming is pointless , and someone who pays for a 8k screen is going to get a 4090 lol

Because Ray Tracing sucks ass on AMD CARDS

@@mglkeiser1532 ahh, didn't see that. Thx

@@mglkeiser1532 and Ray Tracing is also a gimmick most people won't even use, because it reduces fps way too much on any card...

​@TheLapari no, it is totally worth it this generation on games like Cyberpunk, especially with DLSS3 the "fake" frame generator, which is honestly also very good

Ray tracing, but there's something wrong with that comparison, is really weird that the 4080 is getting way more fps with ray tracing (even with dlss3) than native without ray tracing.

Yep people say these are 4k cards but in reality not even the fucking 4090 is a legit 4k card. But that's the only card I'll get if I wanted to play 4k. It's too damn expensive so I'll go with a 7900xtx/4080S for a 1440p monitor. The pinnacle of 4k era is not here yet

4080

In another comment another person shared info about amd's improvement in all areas. Might be worth checking it out

you have low fps even with RT and DLSS so its pointless .... also less than 1% of people even own a HDR display.. 7900XTX costs only a little more than the 4070 Ti Super... the 4080 super is 150-200$ more expensive than the 7900XTX

imagine typing this with a straight face

Don’t forget Nvidea is best for Working in Blender, Game engines, Substance Painter, and other professional workloads. All those are great if you make game mods. Or, if you do anything outside the narrow scope of gaming Nvidea is the way to go

AMD sucks big time in VR performance, their best 7900xtx cant compete with even a 4070s

Yeah. I feel like I should’ve waited before I got my XTX but I got a killer deal on it for $800 on FB market

@@pluschy7886 7900XTX at 800$ sounds like a steal ngl

doesn't matter if nvidia or amd both lose over 50% fps in heavy rt, not worth it. Both can do software raytracing similar, hardware RT aint worth the fps cost.

I've had ray tracing cards for 6 years now and I can honestly say I've turned on ray tracing for a grand total of maybe 10min.

AMD is also completely cancer when it comes to heat,power draw, drivers, coil whine. And the list goes on. AMD is great for cpus. But gpu's aren't their thing.

People still buy Intel latest CPU's also... many dont care about power draw. It was same with 30 series nvidia cards that consumed more than AMD yet they still bought it 3080's. In the end is what matters is perf vs cost.

Yep bought the 4080S and it's a bit underwhelming. My monitor max is 100hz ultrawide and there are some games that fall below that.

why 5800x3d still stronger than 5700x3d that is new why would amd let 5700x3d be faster than 5800x3d it wont sell them if they do that

Can AMD change your mind if xtx price gets lowered may be for 799$?

RT performance is going to be much bigger bottleneck sooner than VRAM..

More VRAM that you will need in the future. Wrong way of thinking in so many ways... But hey it's your money

no bro. Sorry. Because the current memory clock speed of 7900 xtx will never allow the use of 24 GB vram. You can look at the 4070 ti and 3090 tests. 4070 ti is %2 faster than 3090. (in native comparison) Even though 3090 is 12 gigs more, you will not be able to find a solution to the clock speed. Because any 12 GB GPU card that will come a few years from now will give 60 fps at 4k, while the 24 GB xtx will perhaps have a power below 30 fps. More vram will be of no use in this case

yeah and yourv7900xtx uses more electricity hahahaha

@@cronoxtrigger4791????????????????????????????????????????????????????

For 4k with the 5800x3d, I would go with the rx 7900xtx. It has more vram and it can also benefit from SmartAcessMemory in some games. Also, it can typically be found at a cheaper price than the 4080/s but that will depend on your country/region.

It's totally false DLSS and FSR are almost same, i have no driver problem with AMD, AMD have more fps in raster and cheaper

@@louislemieux5312 DLSS perfromance looks better than fsr quality at 4k.

​@@DungxxHen tested this in cyberpunk, no way in hell

@@mihairomulus2488 in motion DLSS is better, fsr looks like an oil painting

@@DungxxHen opposite for me, fsr in stills looks not great but in motion its cool, dlss makes screenshots great but otherwise it feels like depth of field to anything

Actually no, HIPRT is almost as fast as OpTiX and the 7900XTX is only 10 seconds behind the 4090

@@82_930 The thing is as far as I know, HIPRT still under development so it can't render volumetric clouds or smoke properly, while Optix already a solid engine.

@@82_930 That can't be right. I was able to test both the 4090 and a 7900xtx and the two were worlds apart. I used both for Blender and Unreal Engine projects.

How much is rtx 4080s in ur country?

@@ikram2512 Most of them are 1,400 Euro but some can be found for 1,200 or even 1,800 Euro depending what model you buy and where you buy.

​@@laszlozsurka8991so Worth it sure

​@@laszlozsurka8991but here in India 7900xtx nowdays cost less then 1000$ whereas 4080s is like way too much since it's launch its always been like cheapest 1250-1300$ 250-300$ is not really worth specially for ray tracing nah a big no for India atleast

Its basically same for all EU countries. 4080S costs around 300+ euroes more same decent AIB models not the cheapest crap versions.