Silence Victron MultiPlus-II 48V 5kVA Inverter
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День томуReduce low RPM fan noise on MultiPlus-II, EasySolar-II & Quattro-II:
If you have a problem with the loud fan of your Victron Energy MultiPlus-II Inverter/Chargers, then this Video is for you.
I explain and compare the different methods of reducing the fan noise of the Inverter.
(1) For units before serial number HQ2224, you can install a free Retrofit kit: SPR00090 - PCBA MGR50_MP_II fan PWM converter 40kHz
(2) It makes sense to update your Inverter to the latest firmware (v508 or higher)
(3) Add EPDM foam to detach the fan from the chassis
(4) Install a new fan: Noctua NF-F12 iPPC-24V-3000 SP IP67 PWM and get rid of the stock Jamicon JF1238B2HR-R
(5) Use rubber wallplugs to install the Inverter on the wall to reduce structure borne sounds
You can see from the graphs the different fan speeds from the stock JAMICON vs. the NOCTUA at 12V. Also I compare the fans with a dB(A) meter.
Find more information on what I do on my website:
www.autarke-energieversorgung...
Timecode
0:00 - What you see in this Video
0:45 - (1) 40kHz retrofit PWM board, before SN: QH2224 only
2:23 - (2) firmware update v508
4:14 - Test setup - ESS - 4300W, 2400W, 1100W load
4:58 - Graph - best silencing
8:30 - (3) Install EPDM foam between chassis and fan
10:06 - (4) Noctua NF-F12 iPPC-24V-3000 SP IP67 PWM
10:54 - Graph - dB(A) Noctua vs. Jamicon
11:46 - Windspeed Noctua vs. Jamicon
12:05 - Graph - Power consumption + Windspeed
12:43 - (4) How to install the Noctua fan
13:56 - (5) Rubber wallplugs reduce humming sound
@foxythedirtydog4494 Місяць тому
My solution was to blank off all the vents at the bottom left and divert the air evenly around the transformer. When the Multiplus is charging it gives out a lot of heat and air was recirculating through those vents back up the right hand side via the terminal box at the bottom. As the relays don't need cooling, they are not affected. The improvement is very noticeable as the front cover is way cooler. Thanks for the tips and now I will check my firmware.
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
Wow, sounds like something the manufacturer should think of too...
@foxythedirtydog4494 Місяць тому
@@Raphael_Hofmann I agree, it's a simple and free solution that only takes a few minutes giving a dramatic improvement.
@NaamNatuurlijkniet Місяць тому
Hi, Good video. A less powerfull fan may prove a somewhat hotter inverter at some point and thus a shorter lifespan. Seeing the inside of the inverter this way I wonder if some other better cooling method may even be more effective. Victron never designed these devices for sleeping next to them. I have to say, the rattling sound made me thing I had a faulty fan. The firmware, foam and rubber plugs are a great solution. I guess I would try rubber rings on the fanscrews to the chassis also as there may be some contact noise there also. All in all, a lot of improvement is possible in terms of sound reduction. We have to keep fireresistance in mind I think. In an other Video someone placed 2 extra fans below the inverter as well. I guess the fan speed is temperature controlled, so having an overall airflow thru the unit may help. I am even playing with the idea of connecting them to the ventilation system of the house, so that air is always running thru the units. It will collect much more dust I assume. Anyway, good video.
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
Yes, you brought up some good points! I will see, if I can do some more testing and maby I find some time for a follow up video.
@NaamNatuurlijkniet Місяць тому
@@Raphael_Hofmann Would be nice 🤣
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
@@NaamNatuurlijkniet Just found a very detailed discussion in the Victron Community: community.victronenergy.com/questions/46137/victron-multiplus-ii-485000-noisy-fan-replacement.html
@joachim8409 Місяць тому
Gretat video. Thanks for the step by step guide.
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
Danke!😁
@user-ko1ci6pq4q Місяць тому
Amazing Video Thank you so much for The detailed information ☺️🔥💫 I now feel like a Pro
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
Thank you! I am glad, it could help you 😊 If you have any questions, feel free to let me know.
@uhjyuff2095 Місяць тому
Great job with reducing fan noise.
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
Thanks! I appreciate the compliment. Do you also have a MultiPlus-II?
@uhjyuff2095 Місяць тому
@@Raphael_Hofmann no, I had a loud fan in my e-bike charger that I swapped the fan and it's much quieter now.
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
@@uhjyuff2095I see...seems like a lot of manufacturers have loud fans in their products.
@jl9678 Місяць тому
Very nice. Thanks for the testing
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
You are very welcome!
@kajakfahrerr Місяць тому
n1 Australia gift , thanks for the video
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
Thank you! I am glad it helped!
@christiancavallin3143 Місяць тому
I have drilled slightly larger holes in the Chassis and added rubber cable gland to isolate the screws of the Fan from the Chassis.
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
I am sure it helps! Are you satisfied with the result?
@christiancavallin3143 Місяць тому
@@Raphael_Hofmann Yes I am. Unfortunately there is not enough space in the housing to do more or thicker rubber.
@rudydepooter9513 29 днів тому
Thank you for your video. I discovered the noise of the Multiplus II. A bit of bad surprise... Do you think the 140mm Noctua could be install instead of the 120mm ?
@Raphael_Hofmann 29 днів тому
It should fit, but you have to build your own frame. By the way, the Noctua fan is not actually that much weaker. So it almost matches the Victron Fan when maxed out...just at 12V it was a bit weaker. Most important is the foam between the fan and the case. Even the Jamicon fan is not too bad, if you insert some foam to detach it from the case.
@nigelcharles511 Місяць тому
Helpful video. However I concur with the comment about fitting any fan that is less powerful. As well as a Multiplus 48v/5000 I also have a Quattro 48v/10000 which work together for EV charging off-grid. Even in the UK the summer temperatures were warm enough for me to have to fit external high flow fans to both inverters to ensure adequate cooling.
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
I should check out the airflow of the two fans at 24V as well.
@SURO90 Місяць тому
Did you messure the temperature or was that just your „personal feeling“?
@nigelcharles511 Місяць тому
I used the graphs available through the Victron software to assess the problem. Before I fitted the 'bilge blower' type of fans the Multiplus 3000 kept cutting out whilst it was running continuously at 2250W even at +8degC. The Quattro normally coped because or was running at about 50% power. The Multiplus 3000 was checked under warranty but no faults could be identified. Contrary to specification Victron inverters struggle to give continuous rated output at the quoted +25degC. I upgraded to the Multiplus 5000 and with the bilge blowers using internally mounted sensors and the inverter relays, the software could be used to decide when to switch the fans on. I used 100mm circular ducting with a rectangular adapter under each inverter. No problems since even at +33degC OAT.
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
@@nigelcharles511Wow, you put a lot of work into that!
@nigelcharles511 Місяць тому
@@Raphael_Hofmann Hours of charging at 7.2kw in summer does seem to challenge the Victron specs. To keep the MPPT controllers from capping performance I also fitted pairs of 90mm centrifugal computer fans under each MPPT. Otherwise they could get too hot to touch when PV output and OAT are high. They are noisy but as this is in a hangar I don't care too much about the noise.
@legominimovieproductions Місяць тому
So even with the retrofit kit it still is better to install a noctua fan?
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
If you need to silence the unit even more...that is the way. But you can try the retrofit kit first and see if it is already enough for your.
@legominimovieproductions Місяць тому
I think I got a problem, I am using 50mm2 lugs which do not fit through the cable holes in the multi XD this is going to be fun when I remove the fan
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
I wonder which type of lug you use, that does not fit 😅
@NaamNatuurlijkniet Місяць тому
What if…. We would replace the fan with a Phantek T30, which is about one of the best 12mm PC fans on the market when I should believe all reviews. The big question would be, if it beats the original fan in creating a similar airflow with less noise that the original Victron fan. It beats the Noctua in PC cooling conditions. When we assume Victron chose the stock fan for the right amount of airdisplacement in certain conditions the Noctua may not be the best replacement. Although it may suffice depending on the environment the multi is used in. Who would vote for a review like that ? And would it be worth a beer or a cup of coffee ?
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
I had a closer look at the datasheets and converted the units: Air Flow: Nocuta: 186.7 m³/h, Jamicon: 187.89 m³/h Static pressure: Nocuta: 7.63 mm H₂O, Jamicon: 8.13 mm H₂O So the difference at full speed is not that big... I will try to make a follow up video...
@NaamNatuurlijkniet Місяць тому
@@Raphael_Hofmann Hi, If those numbers are correct, the Noctua and Jamicon move more air then the Phantek T30: 120 x 120 x 30 mm 1200/2000/3000 (+/- 5%) RPM via three modes 39.1/67.0/101 CFM (66.4/114/172 m³/h) 11.1/27.3/39.7 dBA 1.27/3.30/7.11 mm H₂O 4-pin/PWM control 0.05/0.13/0.36 A peak Assuming you used the nfa12x25 I found this: Rotational speed (+/- 10%) 2000 RPM Rotational speed with L.N.A. (+/- 10%) 1700 RPM Min. rotational speed @ 20% PWM (+/-20%) 450 RPM Airflow 102,1 m³/h Airflow with L.N.A. 84,5 m³/h Acoustical noise 22,6 dB(A) Acoustical noise with L.N.A. 18,8 dB(A) Static pressure 2,34 mm H₂O Static pressure with L.N.A. 1,65 mm H₂O Not sure how performance differs in the Victron as in most PC applications there is a Radiator or grill in front of the fan. Inside the victron is has more room I guess. Looking forward to the follow up. Tnx. Mike
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
@@NaamNatuurlijkniet Thanks for all your input! Some people install additional external fans. That would also work to reduce the noise.
@SURO90 Місяць тому
„It beats the Noctua in PC cooling conditions“ - in short: nope
@janh.1200 Місяць тому
I guess, your Fronius is more noisy as the Victron
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
Well, I think the stock MultiPlus-II is a bit louder than the fronius.
@MrButuz Місяць тому
Be very careful fitting a weaker fan - taking 25% off the fan power could cause premature faliure and I can't imagine you'll be getting a warranty replacement. People are always fitting noctua fans to things and going oooh its so quiet - yes it is as you'r running your unit 30% hotter than it was.... :/
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
The MultiPlus-II does not only regulate the fan speed on a fixed Load-Fanspeed-curve. It is also regulated on temperature. And if the internal temperature gets too hot, it is derating its output power to protect itself. From my experiance, running this configuration in Germany, it never gets too hot, even with the Noctua Fan installed. Especially in a ESS-System, when the output power is limited to 4.3kW.
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
For a hot climate, you can just stick to foam and rubber wallplugs...
@Raphael_Hofmann Місяць тому
I agree in terms of Warranty...you probably void your warranty.
@SURO90 Місяць тому
In most cases the Noctua fans are quieter AND push more air than the cheap fans … you could use the industrial fans if you live in hot climate … so no idea where you are coming from when talking about „people always …“
@Lenkoff 29 днів тому
Buying such an expensive device and have to do such manipulations after - nonsense...
@Raphael_Hofmann 29 днів тому
It is not necessary to do any change...I have multiple Inverters in the field that work just fine and nobody complained...this device is just not ment to be used next to your livingroom...but in some rare cases, you don't have the right space for it and for those people this Video is made.
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