Simulating alternate voting systems

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@RobertoDeMundo
@RobertoDeMundo 3 роки тому
I love how whenever something bad happens, the blobs look down and shake their heads
@realprotonn
@realprotonn 3 роки тому
Oh cool bfb prof
@t3p564
@t3p564 3 роки тому
@@realprotonn ya mean pfp?
@ambrosxa
@ambrosxa 3 роки тому
@@t3p564 bfb PROF. prof is profile for short
@carykh
@carykh 3 роки тому
OMG it's a gelatin pfp account!!!! 😍😍😍😍😍
@jasoninirllife
@jasoninirllife 3 роки тому
@@carykh Bruh why are you here
@evank17
@evank17 3 роки тому
We cannot ignore that the blobs have forward facing eyes, and are thus predators
@randomsheepman9772
@randomsheepman9772 3 роки тому
My life is a lie!!!
@ohhxcake5434
@ohhxcake5434 3 роки тому
Prey have side facing eyes to look out for predators but the blobs ave no natural predators so it would make sense that they have front facing eyes to detect fruit.
@alexlogan202
@alexlogan202 3 роки тому
They prey on slobbin blob knobs
@ForAnAngel
@ForAnAngel 3 роки тому
@@ohhxcake5434 In a world where a creature has no predators and is not a predator themself, there would be no reason to even have two eyes. They would most likely evolve to have only one eye in the middle.
@voltronimusprime3833
@voltronimusprime3833 3 роки тому
@@ForAnAngel The reason most creatures have at least 2 eyes is not due to running from, or being a predator themselves. The reason most creatures have at least 2 eyes is because that's the minimum required for depth perception.
@someonerandom704
@someonerandom704 2 роки тому
One thing I noticed about approval voting is how many blobs are outside of all candidates' ranges. If they want to vote honestly then they don't get a vote at all, so they're essentially forced to be strategic.
@derrickthewhite1
@derrickthewhite1 Рік тому
They should probably have been included in the simulation by voting for the closest to their position.
@user-qi6pv9jh7o
@user-qi6pv9jh7o Рік тому
@@derrickthewhite1 or become new candidates that cover.
@dogchaser520
@dogchaser520 Рік тому
You'll see many more candidates and parties overall with ranked choice. Candidates will pop up to fill those vacuums.
@OtherDAS
@OtherDAS Рік тому
@@dogchaser520 Candidates will pop up inside occupied areas as well.
@dogchaser520
@dogchaser520 Рік тому
@@OtherDAS Yes, which is just fine. More candidates means closer representation for larger numbers of people. Does mean more homework, though.
@bscfan1237
@bscfan1237 Рік тому
In case somebody is interested: There is actually a theorem called 'arrows impossibilty theorem' which states that there is no fair ranked voting system that satifies certain quality criterias. One of the criterias is in fact the here mentioned spoiler effect doesnt occur.
@bobbywatson942
@bobbywatson942 11 місяців тому
That theorem doesn’t include approval voting, though
@orang1921
@orang1921 9 місяців тому
fortunately, AI will soon do away with all forms of government that we currently know of
@kirbya9545
@kirbya9545 7 місяців тому
@@orang1921i hope
@nickcunningham6344
@nickcunningham6344 6 місяців тому
So what if you used a version of the instant runoff system, but you tallied up the number of times a candidate was the last pick and eliminated the candidate with the most last picks? Doesn't that solve the spoiler effect?
@Daniel-tj2yq
@Daniel-tj2yq 6 місяців тому
​@@nickcunningham6344I think this fails when people strategically last pick then? If purple knows orange will beat them 1v1 and knows that they'll beat green in a head to head, then they have an incentive to knock orange out But I'm not sure if I'm following your model exactly, Im picturing a ranked choice runoff thing
@frocco7125
@frocco7125 3 роки тому
Broke Political Compass: Socialist vs Capitalist + Anarchist vs Authoritarian Woke Political Compass: Apple vs Mango + Old houses vs Spooky houses
@squid_cake
@squid_cake 3 роки тому
Glad these blobs have their priorities straight
@blorblin
@blorblin 3 роки тому
Mango old gang (this doesn't correlate to my beliefs on the polcomp.) Oh and also political models create political illiteracy.
@herscher1297
@herscher1297 3 роки тому
If you like apples and spooky houses you are a god demn commie
@Eduardo-wd3dv
@Eduardo-wd3dv 3 роки тому
@@herscher1297 😂
@Eduardo-wd3dv
@Eduardo-wd3dv 3 роки тому
If you prefer apples and spooky houses you are a moral degenerate and I shun you😤
@opalxo1
@opalxo1 3 роки тому
Man, I wish elections were as simple as houses and mangos.
@captaintoad5421
@captaintoad5421 3 роки тому
mango houses
@Stolens87
@Stolens87 3 роки тому
Yeah, and although politics are much more complex than this, you only have two choices. So the system is pretty shitty...
@gming8225
@gming8225 3 роки тому
Proud to support the apples! Fuck mangos!
@derrichtigearzt8932
@derrichtigearzt8932 3 роки тому
@@gming8225 mangos are a superior fruit. All unterfruits are to be composted!
@aakashsahani2991
@aakashsahani2991 3 роки тому
@@gming8225 This is decleration of War. MangoGang Assemble!
@trayfr
@trayfr Рік тому
For some reason, the fact that they are blobs made them somewhat more human and I felt bad when they lost and had that sad expression.
@fgcp2964
@fgcp2964 Рік тому
The example you used for Australia was the Senate, which doesn't have single member electorates so that adds a whole other dimension to it. Each state gets an equal number of senators (with smaller numbers for Territories) so - while they do have preferential voting - they are also elected with a plurality based on preferences, rather than a majority. A better illustration of your point would be the House of Reps.
@mrewan6221
@mrewan6221 5 днів тому
For the Senate, it might look like a purality, but it's not. It's based on winning a "quota". The single-member division of the House of Reps also has a quota, although it's not called that. The quota is 100% / (number_to_be_elected + 1). For a normal Senate election, the quota for a state is 100%/(6+1), or a little over 14% of the vote (which looks like a plurality). In full-Senate elections, each state has 100%/(12+1) , or about 7.7% of the vote. In the House of Reps, its 100%/(1+1), or 50%, or a majority. All of these quotas mean it's almost possible to elect more than one extra candiate, but not quite. This allows for voting papers to be useful early, but to the exhaust if not enough boxes are numbered. The other reason that neither of these houses is "plurality" is that a candidate can not be elected without a quota, even if they have more votes that any other candidate. (The exception is when there are only enough remaining candidates for the unfilled seats, in which case the candidates are "declared" elected.) If there is only one senate seat remaining unfilled, and three candates with 11%, 7%, and 5% remain, plurality says the 11% candidate would get the seat. But in Australia, the 5% candidate would be eliminated, and those voted redistributed. It's possible all 5% could go to the 7% candiate (which is quite likely if they're both the same party), making the new counts 11% and 12%. Neither yet has a quota, so the lowest candidate would be eliminated., the one with 11%. This leaves only one candidate remaining to fill the last vacant seat, and the 12% candidate is declarted to be elected. So, this last seat looks like a plurality vote, but that's not how the seat is allocated. Note: the actual quota is calculated slightly differently, but is in effect 100%/(N+1), drop fractions, and add 1. This applies to Senate quotas, not the House of Reps, where it really is just a plain 50% majority. The quota for the territories with Senators is always 100%/(2+1), drop fractions, add 1. This is because both territory Senator seats are always vacated at every Senate election. Here are the results for the 2016 Senate election for Queensland. The top twelve first preference candidates (i,e, the best twelve plurality scoreres) were: LNP, ALP, One Nation, Green, Liberal Democrats, Nick Xenophon Team, Family First, Katter's Australian Party, Glenn Lazarus Team, Animal Justice, Shooters-Fishers-Farmers, Liberty Alliance. The elected twelve senators were from these parties: LNP, ALP, One Nation, LNP, ALP, LNP, ALP, LNP, Green, LNP, ALP, One Nation (LNP 5, ALP 4, ON 2, Green 1). In the first preferences, LNP won 4.5 quotas; ALP 3.4; One Nation 1.2; Green 0.89. Next were Liberal Democrat 0.37; Xenaphon 0.26; Family First 0.25, then every other party with less than a ¼-quota. Only three candidates won a quota on their own (one each from LNP, ALP, One Nation). The other nine relied on preferences. The last-place Senate-seat winner gained only 77 first preference votes, and came 97th out of 122 in the plurality ranking. (This senator was later replaced by someone who gained only 19 first-preference votes, and who came 121/122 in the plurality ranking.
@docnathan3959
@docnathan3959 3 роки тому
The blobs have evolved a lot. They learned to search and hunt. They formed an economy. They eradicated a disease. Now, they are looking for someone to be their leader.
@chrisbrindas1559
@chrisbrindas1559 3 роки тому
terrifying theyre catching up so fast. what will they do when king blob figures out how to escape a simulation
@igunn8632
@igunn8632 3 роки тому
@@chrisbrindas1559 2020 december
@ianc.472
@ianc.472 3 роки тому
Oh no
@BootBizarre
@BootBizarre 3 роки тому
LOL! 😶😶😶😶
@enderan647
@enderan647 3 роки тому
Well, they have rocket business afterall
@screenzombie1393
@screenzombie1393 3 роки тому
I appreciate that blue and red weren’t used in this video.
@biarus_7382
@biarus_7382 3 роки тому
0:04
@justarandomfrogonyourlawn
@justarandomfrogonyourlawn 3 роки тому
Uh
@tristangoncalves1417
@tristangoncalves1417 3 роки тому
@PACOMOKA orange man bad
@williamhuang8309
@williamhuang8309 3 роки тому
@@tristangoncalves1417 Oh no... U anti Trump?
@YachtyBurner
@YachtyBurner 3 роки тому
Why?
@anthonydesportes9968
@anthonydesportes9968 Рік тому
What you describe at 6:23 is what happened in the French presidential election in 2002, "forcing" the left-wing voters to vote for the moderate right wing candidate Chirac, who got elected with a crazy 82.21% of the votes in the second round.
@_cat_smith_
@_cat_smith_ 4 місяці тому
Its also literally what happened with Joe Biden, and the inverse of what happened with Canadian Liberal leader Justin Trudeau in his first election cycle (Conservatives didn't love/like Trudeau, but they hated his then-current Conservative leader opponent Stephen Harper even more after 8 years of his BS, so some of them strategically voted Trudeau so the Conservatives would be forced to change leaders)
@CC-hx8gj
@CC-hx8gj 4 місяці тому
False
@WalterLiddy
@WalterLiddy 4 місяці тому
Why would that be a problem? If they weren't going to win, they got a moderate rather than an opposing government - this is a desirable outcome.
@geenkaas6380
@geenkaas6380 4 місяці тому
@@WalterLiddyBecouse they are upposed to him but they have nothing to show that
@monkeebunz8580
@monkeebunz8580 4 місяці тому
​@@WalterLiddyit's only good at face vaule, add the 1000 plus variables then it's easily negative. The biggest one is the force social identity of the masses. You force people to vote this election with no opportunity, when the next election comes people and society will be impact by the last election results and have many undesirable ideas and votes without thinking. There's so many variable leaning negative
@danejohannescaldwell7999
@danejohannescaldwell7999 Рік тому
I would be interested in your take on STAR voting - It's a 2-round system that is essentially score voting to select the top 2 candidates in the first round, and then those same scores are used to select the winner from between them. To my knowledge, it has all the benefits of Approval, but is somewhat more resilient against strategery.
@vornamenachname906
@vornamenachname906 Рік тому
Isnt France using this ?
@altar_
@altar_ Рік тому
@@vornamenachname906 yep
@skyiloh7460
@skyiloh7460 11 місяців тому
Brazil uses this!
@user-tt3lb1yy6i
@user-tt3lb1yy6i 8 місяців тому
@@vornamenachname906 how? I couldn't find any source that says it uses star voting system
@user-tt3lb1yy6i
@user-tt3lb1yy6i 8 місяців тому
@@skyiloh7460 how? I couldn't find any source that says Brazil uses this system
@R4M_Tommy
@R4M_Tommy 3 роки тому
This model ignores Italy: an infinite party system where everyone votes for himself, so no one ever wins.
@ims6671
@ims6671 3 роки тому
I can relate, I live in Israel.
@lorefox201
@lorefox201 3 роки тому
that's the last of our problems, the Constitution was written as to make us ungovernable after WW2 so as to ensure that the Communist party could not take power in regular elections nor could it lose relevance: it is an artifact of the postwar period.
@EternalShadow1667
@EternalShadow1667 3 роки тому
@@lorefox201 that’s pretty interesting
@kevinreilley9400
@kevinreilley9400 3 роки тому
That sounds very individualistic. I like it!
@aph391
@aph391 3 роки тому
I feel that, I live in Azerbaijan. Not really but yeah Plurality Voting is fucked. We could at least remove the Electoral College in the USA. That would at least be an improvement.
@inakimendiberri2226
@inakimendiberri2226 3 роки тому
"Just look how complacent they are." Orange Blob waves He's got my vote
@tears_of_asariel3198
@tears_of_asariel3198 3 роки тому
anything orange is not going to get my vote for a while..
@Jtking3000
@Jtking3000 3 роки тому
Orange blob bad
@David.d.d.d
@David.d.d.d 3 роки тому
Orange Blob controls the media. Green Blob speaks the truth, even while big Orange Media Co. tries to suppress him. Vote Green! Never believe big Orange Media!!
@talhahhussain5603
@talhahhussain5603 3 роки тому
@@David.d.d.d Green Blob spreads fake news; don't trust them! Purple Blob will make Blobia great again!
@chillyconmor
@chillyconmor 3 роки тому
green wants to spend your tax money on asshole stimulants dont vote for green
@Adam-dd9lo
@Adam-dd9lo Рік тому
Thanks for this. Ranked Choice vs Approval is on the Seattle general ballot, and this is really helpful to visualize voting strategies.
@eyescreamcake
@eyescreamcake Рік тому
I hope Approval wins, but I'm not optimistic. RCV has way more marketing behind it.
@milkshakecalico3877
@milkshakecalico3877 Рік тому
@@eyescreamcake Idea, use both approval AND instant runoff With approval, there was a chance for them to aggressively throw green into the limelight, but if we had instant runoff, the voting parties would not have cared about making orange or purple loose in that moment, and therefore would not aggressively bring the votes down, causing green to be taken out of the election and then orange and purple to truly go up against each other. This also fixes the spoiler effect from being in range of all three as not voting for your least favorite this time would have no effect on orange and purple, it would just help remove green and then orange and purple would be fair again.
@radical_eyez
@radical_eyez 11 місяців тому
I wish STAR voting got more attention too
@DMSBrian24
@DMSBrian24 11 місяців тому
ranked is better than approval
@brandonharper7171
@brandonharper7171 Рік тому
This needs to be discussed more on a National scale
@SmallSpoonBrigade
@SmallSpoonBrigade Рік тому
I think things are starting to change a bit. During this year's general election we got ranked choice voting. It was one of two options, the other being this weird thing where you vote for as many of the candidates as you like and winner takes all. I do think that with the increasing concentration of the population in urban areas that we will hit a critical mass where enough of the population is already using one of these improved voting systems that entire states will reform their voting methods. Considering that people on both sides of the spectrum feel disenfranchised by the current system, it's mostly corporations that are opposed to fixing it.
@May-gr8bp
@May-gr8bp Рік тому
By national, I'm pretty sure you mean the usa. While I am not a fan of the American two-party system, other democracies often have the same problem. Britain uses first-past the post and I don't think it is an amazingly good system. these voting systems should be discussed more on an International scale, not just in your country.
@cameronfleming173
@cameronfleming173 9 місяців тому
Definitely! So, how are we going to vote for the voting system?
@TiaanKruger
@TiaanKruger 8 місяців тому
@@May-gr8bp Yeah, the Uk definitely has FPTP, and there is a growing movement inside the country to switch to a more proportional system. Unfortunately, I don't think the 2 main parties will go for this, so kinda of stuck. Guess we will see how the next election goes, and see if Labour actually listens to the people (assuming they win)
@LeonardoRinaldiYautja
@LeonardoRinaldiYautja 5 місяців тому
You cannot, if you try to discuss about the voting system in Brazil, you are sent to jail.
@TheKeksadler
@TheKeksadler 3 роки тому
Plurality voting inevitably leads to what I like to call "Yes-no politics" where one party says "yes" to one issue and the other says "no". It reduces nuance and creates an easily divisive, black-or-white ideological landscape in viable politics.
@Firedag
@Firedag 3 роки тому
I agree, Duverger's law is the bane of the USA's political system. It forces voters to pick a side and divide themselves from the opposite side which just causes unnecessary drama between people of differing politics. Not to mention people get sucked into agreeing to things they don't believe in just because their political party supports it. It's just a mess that could be fixed so easily
@clemensmartin1034
@clemensmartin1034 3 роки тому
@@Firedag I don't know about easily - every action to make the system more nuanced with several parties would mean the big 2 loose power. Which of course they would have to enact themselves. Which of course they wouldn't do... So it is simple, I agree - but it is unfortunately not easy
@BlackSabbath1989
@BlackSabbath1989 3 роки тому
and if you pay them off they say both YES to the most horrible stuff.
@williamwinstrop3918
@williamwinstrop3918 3 роки тому
@stephen sampson Why does the US have a two party system? “Winner takes all electorate system” If the question, and your answer read like a middle school social studies test, you’re probably pulling your knowledge from the same educational pool. There is a definite reason your comment reads as though you just got out of class, and watched a few youtube videos on the subject. Your take is basic, its something someone else told you that you dont even know why you believe it. You look for people to agree with so you don’t have to admit you don’t know and never actually tried to know.
@williamwinstrop3918
@williamwinstrop3918 3 роки тому
@@Firedag How does having more sides keep one from picking a side, and also keep one from dividing from the others? Have you ever done division? Here ill help 1/2 of 100 is 50 so if im on one side, im against one side of 50 1/3 of 100 is 33.3 so if im on one side, im against two sides of 33.3 totaling 66.6 Your statement leads me to believe that pro abortionist and anti abortionist wouldn’t have any drama if they just had more people to vote for. Do you go outside? Do you interact with humans? How in gods name have you equated number of potential candidates to vote for to people not having drama about disagreements Go Talk To A Human
@downstairsshelf6711
@downstairsshelf6711 3 роки тому
One of the most accurate parts of this video was how much the candidates were changing their positions
@gdcomponent4359
@gdcomponent4359 3 роки тому
TRUE
@ArcanineEspeon
@ArcanineEspeon 3 роки тому
Aw, because of this comment I expected "candidates change their position" to be one of the complicating factors discussed in runoff voting. I came out disappointed.
@jdmeesey
@jdmeesey 3 роки тому
As any good public servant should, to best represent an evolving demographic/civilization.
@fasddfadfgasdgs
@fasddfadfgasdgs 3 роки тому
@@jdmeesey or just trick them enough that they can head back to their old position when they win the election.
@hj2479
@hj2479 3 роки тому
You can rename this video to why Bernie will probably never win despite holding ideas that most Americans agree with.
@GGBGameplays
@GGBGameplays Рік тому
I like to think that in real life each person will have a different range size. But when there's no option to choose within their original range, they might "expand" their range to find the closest candidates fiting their ideas and don't let the other candidates to have a chance.
@TonyShark.
@TonyShark. Рік тому
That's the smart thing to do, but instead people skip voting, thinking it makes little difference which party gets elected since none completely satisfies their demands and then complain about the outcome. I have noticed that only in my country, but i bet it happens everywhere.
@olsirmonkey
@olsirmonkey 11 місяців тому
​@@TonyShark. In Australia we have mandatory voting, meaning if you don't go vote you get fined. This ends up making around 98-99% of the population vote, bar some people that either just couldn't make during the period, or just didn't want to
@TonyShark.
@TonyShark. 11 місяців тому
@@olsirmonkey I've heard about the Australian election system and I think it should be a role model for other countries, because it's simple but fair and makes sure that everyone takes part like you said. However, some may find it quite difficult to vote (for example the elder) so I wonder if there's an age limit regarding the mandatory voting.
@spindash64
@spindash64 11 місяців тому
@@TonyShark. Perhaps, but if the candidates are all far enough removed from your opinions, then you need to ask yourself if it’s worth the effort of going all the way out to the voting areas, waiting in line, and dealing with all that mess… just to get absolutely nothing for your efforts. Sometimes, the politicians have so little interest in what you have to say that you need to treat the election less like something to participate in and more like a passing storm: a natural disaster you can’t hope to control
@TonyShark.
@TonyShark. 11 місяців тому
@@spindash64 Let's say that more and more people start believing that it's not worth it to vote, since none of the candidates satisfies their needs. Then we will witness a great absence from elections and as a result, the people who will participate, are going to be in other words a small percentage of people that is deciding for the entire country. This is what's happening in Greece right now, as the youths don't even consider educating themselves about politics and are more likely to skip elections and this leads to elderly people deciding for their future. Doesn't make sense to me.
@danjunk3029
@danjunk3029 Рік тому
there is a new voting system called STAR, which stands for score then automatic runoff, it combines approval and RCV. It actually works pretty well.
@floatyjam
@floatyjam 3 роки тому
"Two-party system." Peru: **Laughs in 24 parties**
@realbignoob1886
@realbignoob1886 3 роки тому
Lmao
@sebastiancordoba489
@sebastiancordoba489 3 роки тому
Have you seen India?
@MasterofBeats
@MasterofBeats 3 роки тому
@@sebastiancordoba489 seen*
@samarendra109
@samarendra109 3 роки тому
In India probably we have at least 6 parties in each state. Still there are independent candidates. And we have nearly 30 states. So do the math.
@rasputozen
@rasputozen 3 роки тому
@@MasterofBeats tbf the irregular past participle "seen" of the verb "saw" is essentially a pleonasm that adds no real meaning to a statement.
@wombat4191
@wombat4191 3 роки тому
Imagine political parties calling each other radical mangoists and wackyspookycurvy symphatizers.
@bruhsauce644
@bruhsauce644 3 роки тому
id get real heated in politics
@addisonalbert9078
@addisonalbert9078 3 роки тому
I am both.
@froogletanimations1086
@froogletanimations1086 3 роки тому
*snort* I do that when I laugh
@leap541
@leap541 3 роки тому
Sounds like something a modern sympathizer would say.
@billjamal4764
@billjamal4764 3 роки тому
@@bruhsauce644 sounds like something a dirty wackyspookscurvy supporter would say
@TheAurgelmir
@TheAurgelmir Рік тому
Norway has Approval voting baked deep into it's system. I say deep into the system, because it's not something I think people actually cares much about. We have a Parliamentary proportional system which works as follows: - Within a voting region the electorate picks one party they want to vote into parliament. -On the ballot for that party is a list of candidates who are pre-ranked by the party. -You can change the order, or even strike candidates from that ballot. (Approval system) - Each voting region has a number of seats in Parliament based on both geographical size and population of the district. - Seats are filled using a modified version of Sainte-Laguë method. This is where ranking comes in, the candidate in a party who got the most personal votes get's the first seat allocated to his or her party, and so on. -There's a further 19 seats in parliament which are there to even out any disparieties between a party's overall national votes, and how many seats they got total. This means people's votes in a region where the party is small might not be wasted, because they might get additional seats. The "issue" with this system is that a party can only get these additional seats if their overall total nation wide was more than X% (As of writing it's 4%). This ensures you don't get a lot of fractional small parties in Parliament, but it also means parties who are big in only one region can get seats without many votes at all nation wide, but a party with a similar total spread out across the country are out of luck. This effect is further unfair because once a party who has a national presence get's into parliament with one or two seats, they get recognized more, and thus a chance to grow. Where as smaller parties never get's this chance.
@OskarPiano
@OskarPiano 8 місяців тому
Outstanding channel. The prodogy of this channel and value is that it explains large group phenomenons and more over shows or even prooves phenomenons existance thanks to computer simulation which to most people is impossible to prepare and conduct. I absolutely love laying out things case by case as they really are without biases. I love the high quality, careful , adequate, slow wording. I love the tempo. The voice, pauses, intonation everything improves understanding.
@CTAK_CO6AK
@CTAK_CO6AK 3 роки тому
You forget to mention a "Put in" voting: No matter who you vote, Putin always wins.
@U.Inferno
@U.Inferno 3 роки тому
Putin is stepping down
@Wolf-tn7sz
@Wolf-tn7sz 3 роки тому
@@U.Inferno But he'll still get elected with 70% of the vote come the next elections
@MaeaCh
@MaeaCh 3 роки тому
Dont forget about his 207% approval rate
@limynal
@limynal 3 роки тому
@@U.Inferno no he isnt they said
@ultimatum97
@ultimatum97 3 роки тому
@@U.Inferno He's got Parkinson's disease
@jessicobra7
@jessicobra7 3 роки тому
As a member of the mango-spooky house party, I find this video incredibly biased towards those establishment apple-normal house grifters.
@softwaretechniker
@softwaretechniker 3 роки тому
Actually it is biased, but you sound more like a apple-fanboy making fun of these nice dark houses ;-)
@epsilon5733
@epsilon5733 3 роки тому
Just like a mango lover to find bias where there is none...
@bouncydachon
@bouncydachon 3 роки тому
Actually apples are far superior than the mangos and normal houses have proven to be much more efficient cost wise, next time do your research, i bet you’re a green voter.....
@buddythemoth
@buddythemoth 3 роки тому
@@bouncydachon Can i ask how apples are scientifically superior to mangos aswell as how a 'normal house' would be more cost efficient?
@kaiwilson5628
@kaiwilson5628 3 роки тому
As a mango-normalist, I disagree with your Apple-centric view but respect the cost efficiency of normal houses.
@danielskrivan6921
@danielskrivan6921 Рік тому
Big props to you for making this political discussion apolitical.
@eyescreamcake
@eyescreamcake Рік тому
Sounds like something a filthy Spookyhouser would say!
@hivegaming661
@hivegaming661 11 місяців тому
It is political. He is clearly presenting a viewpoint supporting a policy change (Plurality voting is bad) which is by definition political. That isn't to say that it is a bad thing, it's just incorrect to say it isn't political.
@nikisubi
@nikisubi 11 місяців тому
Neutrality is not the lack of politics.
@ProfAzimov
@ProfAzimov 10 місяців тому
Its just math
@hivegaming661
@hivegaming661 10 місяців тому
@@ProfAzimov Math regarding political subjects is political. If I was to present graphs on government spending or on political topics like immigration or some other thing which is subject of political discussion, I would be being "political". Being political is not a bad thing, it is nescisary for people to discuss such topics. I would prefer if more of politics was based on mathematics.
@danielloeb2044
@danielloeb2044 Рік тому
I hope the multi-winner voting systems video gets made!
@ringkunmori
@ringkunmori 3 роки тому
"Look how complacent they are" The blobs: (. .)
@carykh
@carykh 3 роки тому
As someone who believes CGP Grey's voting videos from 2011 should be shown to everyone, I'm so glad you made this! I feel like every possible political issue arises downstream from the voting system itself. It's hard to overstate how important that is.
@SerSark_
@SerSark_ 3 роки тому
Agreed
@priyapepsi
@priyapepsi 3 роки тому
of course cary would show up here
@thaias9654
@thaias9654 3 роки тому
Glad to see you on a informative video like this. And I do agree.
@abrasmage
@abrasmage 3 роки тому
Yes. [obligatory hai cary]
@jack-gf6jw
@jack-gf6jw 3 роки тому
Also someone who thinks CGP grays voting videos should be promoted!!! Was very happy to see this
@RPSM101
@RPSM101 Рік тому
Great video, thank you. While I really like the logical/strategic and mathematical approach here demonstated, I think it's worth also bearing in mind qualitative observations about voter behaviour. Mainly in this case, that many voters fall into a position of being 'anti-party' rather than 'pro-party', i.e. they vote for whoever is most likely to beat the party they dislike. I think this is because it's actually very hard to form a confident and coherent opinion on what exactly should happen in government, but it's easy to criticise and simply say 'not that, they're incompetent or otherwise bad'. This in fact forms a large part of electoral strategies of the largest parties in most systems. This is worth bearing in mind because I think it suggests that some of the modelling here of voter behaviour is likely misleading. 1. In the approval system, I'm skeptical that there would be many (if any) voters who approve of all parties. Journalists and voters (in a functioning democracy) generally find criticising politicians easy and even if they liked a certain amount of policy from each party, it is likely they will also find things they dislike which they would likely use to discern a least favourite. 2. If a voters primary motivation is dislike for one or more parties and they have multiple alternatives available, they should pursue a risk averse strategy of voting for all the parties they approve of to avoid the chicken effect electing their most disliked group.
@Pirates.27
@Pirates.27 8 місяців тому
Yes! My family votes through their dislikes whereas I vote strategically for what I like,so I noticed this too. Nicely said.
@jamesfletcher5906
@jamesfletcher5906 Рік тому
What a great video, very clearly explained. Here in Scotland we have a slightly different system which I think is good. Quite long to explain here but its basically first past the post and then the runners up get additional seats by going against each with the primary party disadvantaged. I recommend looking it up.
@shimmel796
@shimmel796 3 роки тому
I would vote Orange, reasons: -He likes nice houses, and prefers mango -He is a nicer color than any other of them -HE SAID HI TO GREEN 7:27 and that's cute :3
@samuellevac-levey2170
@samuellevac-levey2170 3 роки тому
he's a nicer color???!?!?!?!?!?!? racist...
@epamaarainenroina220
@epamaarainenroina220 3 роки тому
I'm allergic to mangos. I'm gonna need to search for a political asylum if mangos win :S
@shimmel796
@shimmel796 3 роки тому
@@samuellevac-levey2170 but in a good way
@kered13
@kered13 3 роки тому
Orange blob bad!
@MD-mk3lh
@MD-mk3lh 3 роки тому
Better vote him off, seems kinda sus
@zachstarattack7320
@zachstarattack7320 3 роки тому
When the world needed him most. He returned!!!!
@joshreddy4278
@joshreddy4278 3 роки тому
I was waiting for the guy
@Lee-jt4hz
@Lee-jt4hz 3 роки тому
Completely forgot about this guy. It took me by surprise, and that's so cool!
@adjmoo
@adjmoo 3 роки тому
when the returned needed him most he world. wait a minute...
@scmc5431
@scmc5431 3 роки тому
@@adjmoo t r u e
@penguinkirb3759
@penguinkirb3759 3 роки тому
I forgot i even subscribed to him
@AdaDenali
@AdaDenali Рік тому
This is a great explanation, I'd love to see you throw in a ranked Condorcet method (any candidate that would win every head to head election wins the total election) too, like minimax. It's hard for me to wrap my head around the weakness of condorcet systems
@punditgi
@punditgi 8 місяців тому
These videos are totally compelling. Keep it up! 🎉😊
@aerosma5021
@aerosma5021 3 роки тому
As a spooky house mango extremist, seeing green lose all the time makes me sad.
@therion8469
@therion8469 3 роки тому
No nice house apples is clearly the best option dunderhead green is a dumb
@famweefood7073
@famweefood7073 3 роки тому
Ehh im an applo-moderate. Im a pink bro
@kouron
@kouron 3 роки тому
Try being a regular house and mango fan. You'll get rekt by these parties.
@thedeliveryboy1123
@thedeliveryboy1123 3 роки тому
Spooky houses are structurally unsound! That's the spooky part! 47% of blobs reported that their spooky houses collapsed! Make way for modern houses!
@David.d.d.d
@David.d.d.d 3 роки тому
@@thedeliveryboy1123 Another Modern house extremist. Let me guess - these are the lies that Big Real Estate told you? Wake up! Green Blob is on the right path. We must embrace the Spooky houses, not let the likes of Orange or Purple take control over our home choice! Green2020!!!
@filipatavares2196
@filipatavares2196 3 роки тому
CGP Grey: animal kingdom Primer: cute little blobs Both explain voting systems so well
@danielmcgibbon8200
@danielmcgibbon8200 3 роки тому
Exactly
@rainynight02
@rainynight02 Рік тому
I liked this video. Wasn't just "this is what is great about this system!" as all the other videos I've watched trying to understand these different voting systems do. Gave the good and the bad and not trying to push one over the other. I like that. Thanks. So far I'm thinking approval may be the best option.
@alex_blue5802
@alex_blue5802 10 місяців тому
What a thoughtful and informative video. I learned a lot in a short period of time.
@teepee3279
@teepee3279 2 роки тому
i love the fact that there is a society of blobs that are arguing about which house is cooler and what fruit is better
@adrian-gk1yh
@adrian-gk1yh 2 роки тому
Voting orange
@ps92809
@ps92809 2 роки тому
Voting purple
@ViriyaSP
@ViriyaSP 2 роки тому
Voting Green
@ramennoodles6473
@ramennoodles6473 2 роки тому
Voting green
@trilobite252millionyearsag7
@trilobite252millionyearsag7 2 роки тому
Voting green
@demoniack81
@demoniack81 3 роки тому
You forgot to mention the Italian system, where it's a weird mix of first past the post and proportional, there are 73 parties, everyone loses, a temporary coalition government is formed, and then after 5 minutes it disbands due to internal divisions and you replace it with another temporary coalition. When you run out of permutations to make your coalitions you vote again. Rinse and repeat.
@simonestroppiana4529
@simonestroppiana4529 3 роки тому
The difference between the italian system and the video is that the video is talking about presidential election where plurality is bad. In parliamentary election, as the italian ones, plurality is the best system
@OmikronZeta
@OmikronZeta 3 роки тому
Still sounds a lot better than what we have in the US
@simonestroppiana4529
@simonestroppiana4529 3 роки тому
@@OmikronZeta as a European, we see only what president says. I think you see also what happens in the Senate and in the Chamber of Representatives. We compare our system (with a lot of parties), with your system (2 parties), but the USA and a European nation are different
@poiuyt975
@poiuyt975 3 роки тому
The Italian political system is too a large topic for a short video. It might be even too large for a thick book. It's basically organized and (barely) functioning chaos. ;-)
@enriconiccoli3486
@enriconiccoli3486 3 роки тому
We can reasume it with "MAMMA MIA"
@thatonecarlos
@thatonecarlos Рік тому
STAR(Score Then Automatic Runoff) voting seems to solve most issues shown in the video. No longer need to betray your primary candidate to vote the lesser of two evils. All candidates are ranked from 0-5 by voters. 0 stars is least favorable, 5 is most favorable. Then for those lesser of two evil candidates you give them a middle number of stars. All stars are counted and the 2 candidates with the highest star counts become finalists, so those are the candidates that the majority of people approved of strongly. Then each ballot is analyzed again to see which candidate the individual voter preferred and then that preferred candidate gets that citizen's vote. So everyone is fairly satisfied with their vote contribution at the end of the day even if it ended up voting for the candidate who was lowering on their ranking without betraying their first choice.
@comment978
@comment978 6 місяців тому
if you know that a party similar to yours has much more support you would end up betraying them and giving them minimum to give your party a chnace
@thatonecarlos
@thatonecarlos 6 місяців тому
@@comment978 The point, is why would you do that? You have a score so your approval for a party can be nuanced. Say there is party A, B and C. You love A, B is similar but not the ideal choice like in your scenario, and you hate C. You vote 5 stars for A, 3 stars for B and 0 stars for C. If A and B are finalists, your vote goes to A cause you love them. If B and C are finalists because they recieved to most support, your vote goes to B because while not your first choice you prefer them to C. No need for betrayal. Your vote is not wasted because you go for the long shot candidate. In fact it is truest to what you actually believe. Even if your candidate had a 1/100 chance, if they lose you still had some sway in the final outcome with your second choice who was a finalist. If they win to be a finalist, congrats your vote will contribute to their final total.
@lefthanded3446
@lefthanded3446 5 місяців тому
In case B(3*) vs C(0*) you now have the problem that you could have shown more support for your lesser prefferred Party (B) if you preemptively knew that B was a stronger choice than your favorite (A) Party against your hated (C) Party. In a sense you would have the problem of betraying your favorite party in favor of your second favorite party. That‘s complicated.
@petelee2477
@petelee2477 5 місяців тому
That's literally just approval voting.
@thatonecarlos
@thatonecarlos 5 місяців тому
@@lefthanded3446 There is no betraying. You give 5 stars to your favorite party A and 3 stars to your second favorite party B. If your favorite party A has a high star score with every voter, their average score is high, then your vote goes to A if they are one of the final 2 highest-scored candidates. If A wasn't highly scored by everyone and eliminated but B was highly scored then your vote wasn't wasted. B becomes a finalist and your vote goes to them if they are your highest score out of the finalists. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO BETRAYAL. No reason nor strategy to betray.
@zacharydavis4398
@zacharydavis4398 Рік тому
0:00 - 12:24 - 12:27… Thanks for spending the time to create and share this content awareness ❤️🤙🏾
@MartinoMaroso
@MartinoMaroso 3 роки тому
I feel like this only scraps the surface of voting issues, so i'd really appreciate more videos on this topic
@PrimerBlobs
@PrimerBlobs 3 роки тому
It's true. My hope is that this small intro makes more people excited to look further into it.
@MartinoMaroso
@MartinoMaroso 3 роки тому
​@@PrimerBlobs E.G. In italy we have a system wich is at least partially proportional, so when an election happens there is not an automatic winner but parties create a coalition and then form the government, so everything is hugely different from your exemples. Anyway thanx for your answer, your channel is great!
@Martykun36
@Martykun36 3 роки тому
@@MartinoMaroso You mean the parties congregate in two large factions? like most of the world does?
@norastar1444
@norastar1444 3 роки тому
@@Martykun36 We have all sinned & fallen short to the glory of God. We have all broken God’s commandments, therefore we deserve hell , we deserve eternal punishment in hell bc of our sins. But bc God is love & merciful He offered a way for sinners to be saved from the eternal punishment we deserve. He died on the cross for the punishment that we deserve so that we can be free from hell. & what we have to do is repent of our sins & turn away from all sin & put faith & trust in the only one who can save us from hell which is Jesus. Will you accept Him in your heart? He’s our Lord & Savior! He changed my life! I’m so much better now I find peace with Him. Without Him Idk where I would be. Salvation is a gift from God we are saved by WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE ALONE FAITH ALONE!❤️❤️❤️❤️ Also be careful what you feed your spirit, feed it the word of God! :)))
@MartinoMaroso
@MartinoMaroso 3 роки тому
@@Martykun36 we will probably get there but at the moment there are three major parties and the coalition between 2 of them is formed after the election happens
@smartaleckduck4135
@smartaleckduck4135 3 роки тому
These blobs are evolving too quickly!
@catface_q2123
@catface_q2123 3 роки тому
Yes
@catface_q2123
@catface_q2123 3 роки тому
We’re going to the top
@Eazoon
@Eazoon 3 роки тому
XD
@desk9695
@desk9695 3 роки тому
KILL THEM WHILE WE ARE STILL AHEAD
@realprotonn
@realprotonn 3 роки тому
100th like
@rileydunnaway2277
@rileydunnaway2277 Рік тому
Loved the video! Could you create a similar video on Range voting, Condorcet voting, and Borda counting? They are more obscure voting systems but ones that have come up a lot in recent debate! Maybe there’s a better option?
@eyescreamcake
@eyescreamcake Рік тому
Don't forget STAR Voting!
@shaazzaaah
@shaazzaaah Рік тому
You should totally do something like this but take into account the recent australian election bc it’s really fascinating
@GermaphobeMusic
@GermaphobeMusic 3 роки тому
Presidential election in two days: i sleep Primer makes video about first-past-the-post: _real shit_
@b1bbscraz3y
@b1bbscraz3y 3 роки тому
now let me berate you with reasons why each X candidate is best
@M-Cyn4269
@M-Cyn4269 3 роки тому
please vote if you haven't (and are capable)
@plutus5408
@plutus5408 3 роки тому
Vote for X candidate because x,y,z
@crystalzhu6066
@crystalzhu6066 3 роки тому
for real go vote if you can because there's a question about ranked choice voting on some of the state ballots
@somebody5571
@somebody5571 2 роки тому
"They have to decide ahead of time how much to betray each other" Yeah, a perfect summary of modern politics.
@brianbarber5401
@brianbarber5401 Рік тому
Certainly seems to be the decision the politicians make.
@baronvonbeandip
@baronvonbeandip Рік тому
*of typical himan interaction ftfy
@jout738
@jout738 Рік тому
Why betray eachother, when why just not vot the one your closer to, when you prefer that person better, while your inside multiple rings. Thoese people who are not inside any ring at all are propably the sleeping voters who say voting system sucks and so their not into voting anybody, when say there is no good candidate to vote for.
@2hotflavored666
@2hotflavored666 Рік тому
@@LeonardoMastrogiovanni Lmfao you wish. Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Brazilian politics*
@erseshe
@erseshe Рік тому
@@LeonardoMastrogiovanni There are two types of modern politics. The shit kind, and the shitter kind.
@Bisudo
@Bisudo Рік тому
This must be the third tine I watch this video over years. I still can’t figure out the flaw with instant runoff at first glance before you explain it lol
@SuperSight
@SuperSight 2 роки тому
Great video I watched it ages ago. Nice to watch it again. :) 1:17pm NZST 18 April 2022
@webeewaboo
@webeewaboo 3 роки тому
"as long as everyone votes" the blobs out of the range of any candidate: Am I a joke to you? Edit: I knew they would likely vote for the nearest candidate, I just ditched that fact for the sake of the joke.
@tailez606
@tailez606 3 роки тому
I'm not fun at parties: They're not voting cause if you draw a circle around them, no candidate falls within that circle. In less abstract terms, it means they're not satisfied with the solutions proposed by any of the candidates, so they choose not to vote (i.e. the blobs in the top right corner want mangoes AND nice houses, but the candidates are offering either apples and nice houses OR mangoes and squiggly houses and the blobs don't like either of those options). In real life this would be less likely since if there's no proposed solutions favorable to you, you might "compromise" and expand your circle in order to find the "least worst" option, at the very least.
@wrpen99
@wrpen99 3 роки тому
@@tailez606 the "least worst" option, huh? Sounds familiar and highly relevant.
@loganstrong5426
@loganstrong5426 3 роки тому
@@tailez606 I feel like a more real-world analog might've been to say anyone that's not in any circle will give a single vote to the candidate nearest them. It's POSSIBLE that people may legitimately go in for a "none of these candidates" or just not vote, but I think the higher the office is, the less likely people are to do that.
@Zolhungaj
@Zolhungaj 3 роки тому
@@wrpen99 Difference is that this situation requires that no candidate are within your range, which should be rather rare seeing as the system should allow any number of parties to be started. And if you find yourself in the least worst position you can just start your own party to cater to your fringe need, forgoing the whole least worst option.
@adjmoo
@adjmoo 3 роки тому
Imagine not voting for president irl because you aren't in a 5 feet range of them.
@thesecretkey9845
@thesecretkey9845 3 роки тому
You forgot to mention the best system: Disenfranchising everybody except me
@Agent-Blaze
@Agent-Blaze 2 роки тому
Based
@mangoshi1251
@mangoshi1251 2 роки тому
Kim jong un: is for me?
@MegaUnoacaso
@MegaUnoacaso Рік тому
this is one of the best channel i stumbled upon
@crazyolhobojoe3399
@crazyolhobojoe3399 4 місяці тому
I would love for you to make a multi-winner election systems video. If you are still interested please do that!!
@andrzejpakistan3200
@andrzejpakistan3200 2 роки тому
Plurality be like: -How do i make my favourite candidate win? -That's the neat part, you don't
@spongmongler6760
@spongmongler6760 2 роки тому
it's 1 vote for 1 person wdym..
@TY-df7fg
@TY-df7fg 2 роки тому
@@spongmongler6760 comment above assumes that your favorite candidate isn’t one of the 2 most popular ones. If you vote for them, they don’t win and the popular candidate that you like more has a lower chance of winning. Effectively making your vote wasted. If you vote for the popular candidate that you agree with more, your favorite candidate doesn’t get a vote, and support for them is low, which is will lower their chance of winning in the next election since last election they didn’t do well, so people won’t vote for them next election. Either way, you can’t vote how you want without feeling somewhat bad. If your favorite candidate happens to already be one of the popular ones, then his comment doesn’t apply.
@isleohagger5455
@isleohagger5455 2 роки тому
I don't get why people won't vote multiple candidates, if some are almost as good. Give your favorite an A, and the others a B or C. In fact it's equally reasonable that someone would give their two favorites a B instead of an A.
@angusmatthews1806
@angusmatthews1806 2 роки тому
@@TY-df7fg could you just not find an unattractive candidate as your favourite then. just thought.
@bradymiclea1705
@bradymiclea1705 2 роки тому
@@steijnvanb4634 haha
@Mail-chan
@Mail-chan 3 роки тому
I think this is why we should pick a leader the old fashion way, making them fight their opponent in hand-to-hand combat while holding off a family of bears. Good times, good times...
@michaellyndon6982
@michaellyndon6982 3 роки тому
I'm from Texas, I remember when we decided our Governor by seeing who was able to beat down a random firing gun turret mounted longhorn with their bare fists and drag its body up an oil rig the fastest, now that was a REAL runoff election!!!!!!!!!!
@peterle1957
@peterle1957 3 роки тому
wouldn't mind having The Rock as president
@lelandwilt1565
@lelandwilt1565 Рік тому
This actually taught me alot, thanks for this
@alireza.m
@alireza.m 4 місяці тому
What an interesting video! Well done
@toastedfish996
@toastedfish996 2 роки тому
I would definitely be more interested in politics if it involves voting on whether we should live in spooky homes or modern ones
@laterbot
@laterbot 2 роки тому
But what would you vote for? I'm personally a centerist who leans towards spooky slightly
@ultratheman
@ultratheman 2 роки тому
@@laterbot fucking moderate...................... I NEEED MODERN HOMES AND THE APPLE INDUSTRY HAS BEEN SIDELINED LONG ENOUGH!! YOU PEOPLE ARE THE ONES RUINING OUR NATION OF BLOBS..........
@ramennoodles6473
@ramennoodles6473 2 роки тому
Go spooky houses!
@kazzz2765
@kazzz2765 2 роки тому
i’m a spooky extremist. HAIL SPOOKY HOUSES
@tenplusten1116
@tenplusten1116 Рік тому
am voting purple - spooky houses will scare the young blob citizens away
@jusdidit9564
@jusdidit9564 3 роки тому
“The candidate with the most votes wins” Electoral college: 👀
@JustAnOrdinaryDemon
@JustAnOrdinaryDemon 3 роки тому
Well you cannot say compare popular vote at electoral college, as there were many people who didn't vote for their candidate as they didn't believe to win. In 2016 there was no campaign in California from Republicans while Hillary did(kinda stupid, considering the result), and California has the highest number of Conservatives by state(even beating Texas). And if there was a popular vote election it is hard to say how the results would turn out
@TheOwenMajor
@TheOwenMajor 3 роки тому
It's almost as if the people who designed the electoral college didn't want just the popular vote....
@JustAnOrdinaryDemon
@JustAnOrdinaryDemon 3 роки тому
@@TheOwenMajor what... no way... it is certainly a surprise
@timothywong3990
@timothywong3990 3 роки тому
@@TheOwenMajor well the electoral college was designed so that people who live in smaller states would have a slightly higher voting power. This was to encourage politicians to campaign at the smaller states instead of just the bigger ones. If everyone had the same voting power, politicians would just campaign at big states to reach out to more people, which would cause people who live in a smaller state to never have the chance to join rallies, meet the candidates, etc
@chairly
@chairly 3 роки тому
@@timothywong3990 1 that’s not why it was made 2 even if that was why it was made it still wouldn’t do that, just google where rallys are held it’s never in small states
@Cbrown161
@Cbrown161 Рік тому
Appreciate this, helped me with my language paper a ton
@user-tt3lb1yy6i
@user-tt3lb1yy6i 8 місяців тому
Damn I would've loved to see u simulate the star voting system. It's a voting system where you vote on all the candidates out of 5 stars, like they're an Amazon product. Its like approval voting, except it adds a layer of dimension by factoring how strongly each voter feels about a candidate so there's no situation where someone would "approve" of all three
@comment978
@comment978 6 місяців тому
people would vote strategically and give their preferred party maximum and the opposition minimum, basically the same as approval.
@user-tt3lb1yy6i
@user-tt3lb1yy6i 6 місяців тому
@@comment978 that's true, but it's not the same as basic approval. In the basic approval voting, centrists have disproportionate power because all the candidates overlap with them so they get to pick and choose. In this system, the only people inclined to strategically vote are people who are more passionate about politics, which means this system gives more power to people that are more politically passionate/involved. That's a much more fair award system than basic approval voting which just gives a flat out award to centrists.
@VioIetShift
@VioIetShift 4 місяці тому
@@comment978 the runoff stage disincentivizes this because it gives an incentive to express preference order. if you express a preference order, even if neither of your candidates make it to the runoff, you still have a say in the runoff.
@thecyuber558
@thecyuber558 3 роки тому
I feel so bad for the purple blob in the plurality simulator. He's just so heartbroken that he'll never have a chance to be recognized.
@mpetkovic26
@mpetkovic26 3 роки тому
Bernie Sanders is purple blob
@skan5728
@skan5728 3 роки тому
Isn't that honestly pink
@alexmilchev5395
@alexmilchev5395 3 роки тому
@@mpetkovic26 nah. Bernie is a dem. The purple one is Jo. Fitting as on the actual political compass she is in the purple quadrant.
@PrivateMcPrivate
@PrivateMcPrivate 3 роки тому
@@alexmilchev5395 Yeah.She not even shown on CNN's vote counts.
@orionbenziger1483
@orionbenziger1483 3 роки тому
Its the libertarians
@steazy0001
@steazy0001 3 роки тому
If you prefer mangoes over apples then you’ve got my vote.
@vunga8195
@vunga8195 3 роки тому
oh so you want to live in spooky weird house?
@hrzmann
@hrzmann 3 роки тому
We should seize the means of Apple production and destroy Mangoisie as class.
@Henrix1998
@Henrix1998 3 роки тому
Mango preferers want to kill your babies!
@hrzmann
@hrzmann 3 роки тому
@@Henrix1998, and spookytarians are blobphiles!
@abylon9641
@abylon9641 3 роки тому
Pro Spooky house voters want to take away our protections
@PhilCW10
@PhilCW10 3 місяці тому
With all the talk of ranked voting popping up, this is a good refresher.
@minsapint8007
@minsapint8007 7 місяців тому
Well made video - got the point across.
@kozlowskinator6056
@kozlowskinator6056 3 роки тому
Me at 2am: about to go to sleep Primer: would you like to learn about blob politics?!?!
@maddiedraws146
@maddiedraws146 3 роки тому
i mean you clicked so you’ve got your priorities straight LOL
@mcmonkey26
@mcmonkey26 3 роки тому
And the answer is obviously yes
@jeansamuelnyembo616
@jeansamuelnyembo616 3 роки тому
And the answer was yes.Good Job.
@sealbunnygem3395
@sealbunnygem3395 3 роки тому
Yes, I'd love to learn about blob politics instead of sleeping
@nathanishungryanimations7206
@nathanishungryanimations7206 3 роки тому
Original Title: “Democracy” Hi, Primer!!!
@Switz14
@Switz14 3 роки тому
bruh, i just copied this comment without noticing
@nathanishungryanimations7206
@nathanishungryanimations7206 3 роки тому
@@Switz14 U wot
@ethanweller3013
@ethanweller3013 3 роки тому
The title changed as I was watching the video. It scared me :P
@GambinoTheGoat
@GambinoTheGoat 3 роки тому
@@nathanishungryanimations7206 he did... click his icon
@nathanishungryanimations7206
@nathanishungryanimations7206 3 роки тому
@@ethanweller3013 Oh my…
@danielcordeiro6003
@danielcordeiro6003 2 місяці тому
Patiently awaiting the video on multiple winner systems
@marijngrashoff30
@marijngrashoff30 Рік тому
This is such an excellent video
@cnilssonak555
@cnilssonak555 3 роки тому
Primer: First things first, we need to create the strangest political compass ever
@Legenderrydanny
@Legenderrydanny 3 роки тому
Video would get too much controversy and be flooded with self proclaimed experts if real views were used.
@zunlise2341
@zunlise2341 3 роки тому
You mean he shouldn't have real issues of apple dominance and spooky curvy house underrepresentation?
@cnilssonak555
@cnilssonak555 3 роки тому
@@zunlise2341 I think that the superior table tops are more of an issue. (wink)
@DunningofKruger
@DunningofKruger 3 роки тому
You sound like a mango voter
@umazajacker8182
@umazajacker8182 3 роки тому
You’re obviously a grape lover. How many times do we have to tell you that grapes sounds good in theory but it will never work nor sustainable, that’s why it’s never considered in the first place
@nathanadler4024
@nathanadler4024 3 роки тому
Primer in 2100: Simulating different solutions to the blob apocalypse.
@draconariousthegamer1444
@draconariousthegamer1444 3 роки тому
A few years ago we would have called the virus video exactly that :x
@schnoz2372
@schnoz2372 3 роки тому
The blobpocalypse if you will
@MaryJane-ky4oq
@MaryJane-ky4oq 3 роки тому
In 2021, you want to say?
@lb4050
@lb4050 Рік тому
Very nice video! Hope there will be more of you to come! If you see this the German system (which is in no way perfect) sounds pretty good. We have basically a plurality system but without a winner it all system. The parliament gets distributed like the voters vote and then the parliament votes for the chancellor and forms a government. This means that if we have the case like this where two similar parties cannibalize themselves they can form an alliance and vote together. This means you can vote for whichever party you want without cannibalizing the winning chances of yours or similar parties.
@the_luggage
@the_luggage 9 місяців тому
Objectively, a disadvantage of this system is that a centre party can totally become king-makers.
@yalicarmon4155
@yalicarmon4155 Рік тому
Grate video! when would you do a video in multi-winner systems??
@qqvisam
@qqvisam 2 роки тому
can we all just take a second to apreciate the fact that even the checkmarks have proper shadows
@robinlinh
@robinlinh 2 роки тому
oh thanks, I was starring at their shadow on the ground and was like "wtf is that weird pattern"
@eadbert1935
@eadbert1935 2 роки тому
i honestly disliked that :(
@Fantastic_Mr_Fox
@Fantastic_Mr_Fox 2 роки тому
Not hard at all, in fact it would be more effort to *not* do that.
@myosotis4507
@myosotis4507 Рік тому
That's crazy that when you tick the option to render shadows in your rendering software, it actually renders shadows! Insane!
@necromax13
@necromax13 Рік тому
Tfw basic blender video making
@thatguyindenver
@thatguyindenver 3 роки тому
Try using approval Voting yourself… The next time you and your friends are trying to decide on a movie, a place to eat, or a time to meet, list all the options and have each individual in your group mark all the options they approve. The option marked on the most ballots is what you do, because you want to stay together as a group not to have winners or losers…
@flamingpi2245
@flamingpi2245 3 роки тому
Cgp grey did a video on that
@psychoseagull3104
@psychoseagull3104 3 роки тому
...this sounds like a cheesy school assignment.
@eyescreamcake
@eyescreamcake 3 роки тому
Just do 3-position score voting with your thumbs: Thumb up = +1, thumb down = -1, thumb sideways = 0. Count up the points for each option and highest number wins. "Tacos has 3 in favor and 1 against = 2, pizza has 3 in favor and 0 against = 3, pizza wins"
@draconariousthegamer1444
@draconariousthegamer1444 3 роки тому
@@eyescreamcake This! Why are people not talking about this more. We need score voting. It's obvious dang it... Though please edit and correct your message. You wrote 3-1=1 when you likely meant 3-1=2
@karimm.elsayad9539
@karimm.elsayad9539 3 роки тому
AKA CGP Grey's "Quick and Easy Voting for Normal People "
@kyle.linville3
@kyle.linville3 Рік тому
Interesting systems. Let’s put it to a vote!
@Not-Axo
@Not-Axo Рік тому
This guy surely has something personal with Green
@Tobi-ci3ns
@Tobi-ci3ns 3 роки тому
Instant runoff voting has worked pretty well in Australia. What didn't work so well was letting one man buy up all of the newspaper publishers, but that's another story.
@vegahimsa3057
@vegahimsa3057 3 роки тому
IRV (Preferential in Oz) still maintains two party stranglehood. Its results are no different from one choice plurality, except IRV allows a symbolic gesture once in a while. Consider: 2 voters rank: Favorite > Lesser 1 voter ranks: Lesser > Evil 2 voters rank: Evil > Favorite The above will elect Evil. Your better strategy is to betray your Favorite for the "Lesser evil": 1: Favorite > Lesser 2: Lesser > Evil 2: Evil > Favorite In four candidate RCV (IRV) races, support can hurt and lack of support can help. Consider the following election; after Boring then Evil lose, your Favorite would win: 6: Favorite > Lesser 5: Evil > Favorite 4: Lesser > Evil 2: Boring > Lesser However, fearing a close race, suppose you convince most Boring supporters to rank Favorite highest. But insanely enough, instead of Favorite winning, this causes Evil to win: 6: Favorite > Lesser 5: Evil > Favorite 4: Lesser > Evil 2: Favorite > whatever There are numerous convoluted scenarios and unexpected results under RCV and it only gets worse and crazier with more candidates. Unless you are certain that your Favorite will be dead last early or has a good chance of winning early, you must betray your Favorite for the most popular Lesser Evil... the same situation with the old "one choice plurality" (FPTP), but at least plurality makes sense. "Approval Voting" is simply better.
@m2heavyindustries378
@m2heavyindustries378 3 роки тому
@@vegahimsa3057 Man nobody read your essay, I just skimmed over it and left
@vegahimsa3057
@vegahimsa3057 3 роки тому
@@m2heavyindustries378 which is why people opt for any other bad system cuz they have no patience to learn whether it's just as bad. RCV doesn't accomplish what is claimed.
@vegahimsa3057
@vegahimsa3057 3 роки тому
Australia still has two evil parties, yet Australians think, "it works pretty good". It's the same shit. Australians just get to waste their vote on a dinky little party before transferring their vote to either Labor or Lib/Nat in every election for over a hundred years.
@theuglykwan
@theuglykwan 2 роки тому
@@m2heavyindustries378 That's why we can't have nice things.
@PrimerBlobs
@PrimerBlobs 2 роки тому
This video contains a mistake! At 7:44, I show a graphic of the Australian Senate, which uses the "single transferable vote" (STV) method. This has similarities to instant runoff, but it's a multi-winner system, which does a better job of making room for third parties. The Australian House is what uses instant runoff, and the House is actually more polarized (at time of writing). If you'd like to learn more about STV, CGP Grey has a nice video about it: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/pGiJg5CBoqWrx30.html Apologies to Australian friends.
@Eliza-yd7fi
@Eliza-yd7fi 2 роки тому
You should pin this
@sockscav
@sockscav 2 роки тому
I’m an Australian and even I didn’t know this lol
@torbjorn630
@torbjorn630 2 роки тому
I got confused for a second but this sorted it out.
@laterbot
@laterbot 2 роки тому
@@sockscav strongly recommend you learn about our government system
@davidpecherskiy7414
@davidpecherskiy7414 2 роки тому
Don't worry, we've got much bigger problems, don't you agree uncle Rupert? No?! Everything's going fine you say. I don't have to worry about the ever increasing transfer of wealth from poor to rich, the outflow of jobs, the botched covid response, the suspicious reluctance to introduce a federal anti-corruption commission, the fires, the floods. Ok uncle Rupert, Mr former smart money man, Mr Stokes, the collection of oligarch owners of 10, the compromised federal broadcaster, I'll just drink my beer, watch ball kick (or ball throw), and continue to vote for the "party of good economic managers". Let's hope this next election is better. - Totally not a statement in support of the ALP, the party of subpar advertisements.
@sophiavoigt5798
@sophiavoigt5798 Рік тому
thank you for teaching me
@Fireball006
@Fireball006 3 місяці тому
I really don’t know much about horse racing or voting my guess on the “first past the post” name is when gambling, or voting, on horses there are different types. Like you can vote for more than just who is winning first place but sometimes you only vote on who gets in first, which is the first horse past the post, post being the finish line. I’m sure a quick google could prove me right or wrong but sometimes it’s just fun to figure things out on your own.
@an2qzavok
@an2qzavok 3 роки тому
Monarchy: --- Summary: eldest son of the king becomes next king Flaw: genetic illnesses* Strategy: marry the king *can be fixed with modern science
@feynstein1004
@feynstein1004 3 роки тому
But don't forget: bigger army diplomacy
@eekpanggang
@eekpanggang 3 роки тому
Flaw: beheaded
@an2qzavok
@an2qzavok 3 роки тому
@@eekpanggang regicide is less bloody than democide at least.
@somerandomgal3915
@somerandomgal3915 3 роки тому
Flaw: overlooking easier, more logical and more convenient solutions because of personal preference of the monarch (alias: most are still screwed if he is a dick) 2nd Flaw: shaky as fuck ruling justifications, *especially* when the ruling party is corrupt and incompetent (but that’s a flaw that every ruling system has, the only difference here is that everyone else has to live with it till the monarch dies, and additionally monarchs can damn well ignore most societal problems if they don’t affect them directly and they wish so)
@an2qzavok
@an2qzavok 3 роки тому
@@somerandomgal3915 hey hey, that's what regicide is for.
@sinterso2.036
@sinterso2.036 3 роки тому
It is a good day when a vid from Primer shows up.
@killr292
@killr292 3 роки тому
True
@swiftman57
@swiftman57 3 роки тому
Month* lmao
@alessandrobuffa123
@alessandrobuffa123 Рік тому
I'd be interested to see a system with 2 positive votes and 1 negative vote per person
@ashleydavidson4072
@ashleydavidson4072 Рік тому
Great video! In Australia, my state elections have five winners for each electorate. This provides better representation for voters. For instance, even if a party only receives 49% of the vote, they will still be awarded two of the five seats. My state uses the Hare-Clarke system.
@Magic_Ice
@Magic_Ice 3 роки тому
When Primer Uploads “Master Primer, you have awakened once more”
@septillion.
@septillion. 3 роки тому
"Two-party system" North Korea: **Laughs in one candidate**
@theatheistpaladin
@theatheistpaladin 3 роки тому
You mean **Laughs in despotic nepotistic necrocracy**
@riley8385
@riley8385 3 роки тому
It's like those 30 years in which the US replaced with dictatorships any government in Latin America that didn't align with their economic objectives. "You think having one party is bad? Try having none".
@fienbaeyens5962
@fienbaeyens5962 3 роки тому
Belgium laughs in 7 major parties and 7 governments made up from a mix of the 7 parties
@louisduong2090
@louisduong2090 3 роки тому
Do you mean *Laughs in "Democratic Republic" of North Korea*
@Quetzietse
@Quetzietse 3 роки тому
Honestly, one-party states aren't all that different from two party states. One party states, like China, tend to have an 'opposition' within the party itself, effectively a second option, so the only real difference is that in two party states the opposition party is openly not the same party and have *a little* more freedom to set their own policy openly. In practice though, issues get boiled down to option A or B either way, on the level of the voter.
@gabridish
@gabridish Рік тому
please the do the video on multi-winner voting systems!! this is fascinating
@mschauer97
@mschauer97 2 роки тому
That is why I suggest an election where you are voting for each different topic separately (ok maybe there has to be a preselection of let's say the 20 most relevant topics) and for a party or a candidate who is responsible to implement the outcome of the voting. What do you think? I would love to see a simulation for that.. Keep up the brilliant work 👌✌️
@faycalborsali5591
@faycalborsali5591 3 роки тому
There is an interesting voting system, the "Condorset method" and it's kind of an improvement of the run-off system.
@faycalborsali5591
@faycalborsali5591 3 роки тому
@Valchap equality is more likely yes, but it can happen in all systems (like plurality vote we could get a sharp 50/50 even if that's unlikely) ... On the other hand we could use plurality vote as a tie-breaker !
@Deathlupus
@Deathlupus 3 роки тому
Exactly what I was thinking.
@lukeneale9967
@lukeneale9967 3 роки тому
Yeah, I’ve always supported that system. There are flaws, but it’s never strategic to vote any way other than honestly.
@Currywurst4444
@Currywurst4444 3 роки тому
@@lukeneale9967 The wikipedia article states that there is still strategic voting with the condorcet method.
@UCwlPfzTAtK_-Ig4IufJYEEQ
@UCwlPfzTAtK_-Ig4IufJYEEQ 3 роки тому
Condorcet is typically used as more of a voting system metric. There are plenty of voting methods that choose the Condorcet winner, and using pure head-to-heads can get cumbersome if you have more than a few candidates
@krimz8139
@krimz8139 3 роки тому
“Let’s add a purple candidate” Pink: “calls self purple* Everyone: “understandable”
@lilpink6192
@lilpink6192 3 роки тому
magenta
@izuix5629
@izuix5629 3 роки тому
violet
@gearandalthefirst7027
@gearandalthefirst7027 3 роки тому
just like real politics!
@miumau7885
@miumau7885 3 роки тому
Let me explain: Violet is cold and very dark; more blue. Magenta is the colour showed on the screen, well actually that is light magenta, the normal one is little bit darker. Purple is magenta, but the leading color is red, and it's the color that people use when they draw space or the Milky Way. Light red is very light red, that people usually call pink... ...even though pink is way darker. I would say it's also quite 'neon'. I think thease are the colours that you meant, but there are far more in my language, so I don't know if they mean the same in english? I personally think that the colour on screen is something bewteen cold rosa, cold light magenta and warm violet.
@SpaceMissile
@SpaceMissile 3 роки тому
"orange" yellow, too. edit: I prefer hearing the word "purple" over "pink," because "pink" is a tinny word.
@coldshoulder88
@coldshoulder88 Рік тому
Please cover Mixed Member Proportional Representation, Single Transfer Vote, and Partylist Representation.
@lukekulak7165
@lukekulak7165 Рік тому
Your videos are awesome
@CorpCoCEO
@CorpCoCEO 3 роки тому
I'd imagine it's called "First Past the Post" because the winner is the first candidate to "pass" the "post" of a majority vote
@deargodwhy9718
@deargodwhy9718 3 роки тому
I love how everything can be simulated with colorful blobs
@Ro_Gaming
@Ro_Gaming 2 роки тому
*anything with more than 3 options has to be put into 4 Dimensional Space, which will be very hard to understand*
@diegonals
@diegonals 2 роки тому
@@Ro_Gaming Hard doesn’t mean imposible
@spongmongler6760
@spongmongler6760 2 роки тому
.. what about r*pe? that cannot be simulated with colourful blobs
@deargodwhy9718
@deargodwhy9718 2 роки тому
@@spongmongler6760 If you were creative enough, I'm sure you could simulate things so much worse than r*pe with colorful blobs.
@spongmongler6760
@spongmongler6760 2 роки тому
@@deargodwhy9718 there's only 1 thing worse than r*pe and that, too, involves r*pe...
@mantisgaming
@mantisgaming Рік тому
Could Instant runoff and Approval be combined in some way? Like, vote for as many as you want, then for each of the potential outcomes, if only X and Y remain, which one would you pick? Or maybe something like, "you have to vote for half of the candidates"
@clearviewmoai
@clearviewmoai 3 місяці тому
Thomas Sowell said "There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs" which I think fits in regard to voting systems as well. Some trade-offs are better than others but they will always have a flaw.
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