Why Electronic Voting Is Still A Bad Idea

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Tom Scott

Tom Scott

4 роки тому

We still shouldn't be using electronic voting. Here's why. • Sponsored by Dashlane - for free on your first device @ www.dashlane.com/tomscott
MORE BASICS: • The Basics
REFERENCES:
Computerphile video: • Why Electronic Voting ...
Stories about voter identification happening outside the law: www.theguardian.com/notesandq...
Voting machines left connected to the internet: www.vice.com/en_us/article/3k...
Hackers getting voting machines to play Doom: www.salon.com/2019/08/14/hack...
"Small, well-funded team backed by a national government": www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/us...
Scottish election: www.theguardian.com/politics/... and news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6... - with the Excel detail on page 50 of www.openrightsgroup.org/wp-co...
Report on e-voting in Estonia: estoniaevoting.org/
Written with Sean Elliott / seanmelliott
Directed by Tomek
Graphics by Mooviemakers www.mooviemakers.co.uk/
Audio mix by Haerther Productions haerther.net/
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@LeopoldRamutsamaya
@LeopoldRamutsamaya 4 роки тому
That's the good thing about Africa, our election results are known before we even go to the polls so we don't have to worry about all of this...
@peter-peterpumpkineater4982
@peter-peterpumpkineater4982 4 роки тому
Why vote when your honourable dictators do it for you
@gileee
@gileee 4 роки тому
Lmao. Same here in Easter Europe. We have voting, but every so often they find a truck full of valid voting tickets somewhere in a ditch. Also, people that died decades ago still voting.
@pflernak
@pflernak 4 роки тому
I dont care who gets to vote as long as I get to nominate the candidates.
@TheAudioCGMan
@TheAudioCGMan 4 роки тому
Ah isn't the internet wonderful
@dutchdykefinger
@dutchdykefinger 4 роки тому
this shouldn't be funny, but i laughed nonetheless.
@infrabread
@infrabread 4 роки тому
Rule 34b: If it exists; Doom will be ported to it.
@EngineerLume
@EngineerLume 4 роки тому
If I remember correctly, someone managed to get Doom working on a Smart Fridge. I don't know how you'd play on a fridge but I'd love to see someone try.
@hammerth1421
@hammerth1421 4 роки тому
Rule 34b, Ammendment 1: But can it run Crisis?
@eleSDSU
@eleSDSU 4 роки тому
@@EngineerLume Played on an ATM once, hard af but the best thing to ever run on an ATM.
@owlhouse
@owlhouse 4 роки тому
Calculator was fun
@oliverhalenius
@oliverhalenius 4 роки тому
@@EngineerLumesome smart fridges are just android phones. Not too hard to get doom running there!
@markjohansen6048
@markjohansen6048 Рік тому
I've often heard people say, "You trust using the Internet to place orders for expensive merchandise. Why not for voting?" But there are major differences. The company has every incentive to process my order accurately. The people counting votes may or may not want an accurate count. If someone changed my order, either deliberately or by mistake, I'll know something went wrong when I get the wrong merchandise, and I'll complain and demand they fix it. If they count my vote wrong, will I even know? How can you have anonymity and also prove that your vote was miscounted?
@graywind3277
@graywind3277 Рік тому
If I was purchasing merchandise at prices comparable to the stakes of a general election, I'd be exceptionally wary of how the finances are processed. If I was spending a billion dollars on a painting for example, I'd probably only be willing to do so while in the same room as the painting and the people accepting payment for it. If I could, I'd find a means of physical payment such as gold, if not I'd ensure my trust is well-placed in the bank to cover the amount if something goes awry.
@heitordiogobraga1234
@heitordiogobraga1234 Рік тому
Eletronical ballots do not use internet
@chriswarr641
@chriswarr641 Рік тому
@@gallectee6032 that would kill anonymity
@gallectee6032
@gallectee6032 Рік тому
@@chriswarr641 Not if you make it anonymous.
@ryanfowler3140
@ryanfowler3140 Рік тому
@@gallectee6032 Genius! Now how do we know if the code is ours? How do we know it's actually tied back to our intended result?
@rafaelalmeida3916
@rafaelalmeida3916 Рік тому
You should read about the eletronic voting system from Brazil. The same difficulties you'd have to alter a significant number of paper ballots can be applied to the eletronic machine. Each eletronic machine have a determined number of people who can vote. There is no way you can change a significant amount of machines to change the course of the election especially considering the number of people and the size of the country. In fact, it would be easier to change a lot of paper boxes during transportation for boxes previously altered for onde determined candidate. In addition, the software is verified by universities, army, congress, and other entities before and after the election, and all these must agree during the process.
@lnxred3661
@lnxred3661 Рік тому
Kkkkkk
@lucasclavijo803
@lucasclavijo803 Рік тому
@@lnxred3661 kkkkkkk o que irmão?
@PauloPontes
@PauloPontes Рік тому
Vc está descrevendo como o processo deveria ser e não como é. O pedido das forças armadas para acessar o código fonte deu uma polêmica danada e todas as sugestões de melhoria foram atacadas sem argumento algum. E o mais grave é que o código não é aberto como dizem. o TSE só abre PARTE do código, confiando em segurança por obscudidade.
@fabiomasis
@fabiomasis Рік тому
The machines also print several receipts of the votes that were input in them during the election and everyone sees them and takes pictures. So you also have "paper trail" If that IS such a necessary thing
@diegooo283
@diegooo283 Рік тому
@@PauloPontes até porque eles não tem direito pra fazer isso
@rewp234
@rewp234 Рік тому
It's so funny that every time you say "no one does that" it's exactly what the Brazilian system has done for 30 years
@LucasSoaresy
@LucasSoaresy Рік тому
Actually not. Tom clearly didn't do any research, this video was based purely on his knowledge about technology, not on actual electronic voting systems.
@davidsousaRJ
@davidsousaRJ Рік тому
I was going to say exactly that.
@MrAmaurygm
@MrAmaurygm Рік тому
@Danilo The code is not actually open to the general public. Even if it was, there would be the problem of checking if the code is proper on each machine, and also the dubiousness of the code that checks said machines.
@Rogi1198
@Rogi1198 Рік тому
@Danilo Para derrubar uma árvore, você corta o tronco, não os galhos. Da mesma forma, a urna é o menos provável de sofrer um ataque, pois é muito difusa. O principal problema é onde se contabiliza todos os votos. Ainda assim, é muito improvável que haja fraude.
@RilckG
@RilckG Рік тому
@@Rogi1198 improvável 🤨 coff coff
@prismarinestars7471
@prismarinestars7471 4 роки тому
Imagine going into a voting booth and seeing the Doom title screen.
@xtdycxtfuv9353
@xtdycxtfuv9353 4 роки тому
rip and tear
@rokkun9815
@rokkun9815 4 роки тому
Best election ever.
@Greaust
@Greaust 4 роки тому
the demons have the faces of the candidates
@oshkiv4684
@oshkiv4684 4 роки тому
@@Greaust who's doom guy?
@Greaust
@Greaust 4 роки тому
@@oshkiv4684 the guy from Doom
@markjohansen6048
@markjohansen6048 Рік тому
Even if software is open source ... Years ago a web site for programmers that I frequented at the time ran a contest: Submit a sample program to count votes that would bias the results but which looks valid to someone studying the code. The winning entry relied on a buffer overflow in a C program, for those who understand what that means. The point is, cheating software doesn't have to be blatant and obvious. You can put subtle "errors" in a program that make it wrong, but that would not be obvious even to an expert studying the code. And let's face it: elections today are high stakes. A political party might be very willing to spend a few million dollars to hire a team of experts to create voting software with such subtle "errors". Do it right, and even if you are caught you could plead that it was a mistake and not a deliberate fraud.
@dominicbeaumont4932
@dominicbeaumont4932 Рік тому
thnks mark
@retronymph
@retronymph Рік тому
Surely though, while that would pass a cursory look, if it were actually to be implemented at scale, there would be enough eyeballs that even the subtlest of fuckery would get seen, right?
@edwolt
@edwolt Рік тому
Before the election the machine should be tested, so this bias would be caught before the election occurred.
@ChrisPoindexter98
@ChrisPoindexter98 Рік тому
@@dominicbeaumont4932 🥴💓
Рік тому
A party? Nah, they wouldn't. Their "friends" in business would, however…
@toranine09
@toranine09 Рік тому
this just makes me think about the story where a flipped bit in a 2003 belgium election count resulted in a candidate receiving over 4000 unexpected votes
@corrupted4726
@corrupted4726 Рік тому
I think it was some malfunction
@botigamer9011
@botigamer9011 Рік тому
@@corrupted4726 Ultimately it was a cosmic ray striking one of the transistors. The error was spotted and corrected
@wren_.
@wren_. Рік тому
@@botigamer9011 there was also another similar event that happened during a super Mario 64 speed run, where a random cosmic ray flipped a bit in the system and caused Mario’s y-coordinate to jump up a bunch. It caused a significantly faster speed run but because it wasn’t intentional I don’t think the run was counted
@Xnoob545
@Xnoob545 11 місяців тому
4096
@whyiseverysinglehandletaken2
@whyiseverysinglehandletaken2 9 місяців тому
​@@wren_.I guess you guys are men of culture as well
@Hajewil
@Hajewil 4 роки тому
Solution: a group kahoot quiz
@miguelnecoechea3347
@miguelnecoechea3347 4 роки тому
I can see myself already losing.
@Edgeperor
@Edgeperor 4 роки тому
Oh boy, I can already imagine the framerate. “Frames per second? I thing you must mean: *seconds per frame.”*
@TheAmishUpload
@TheAmishUpload 4 роки тому
i trust like that
@rahulg5403
@rahulg5403 4 роки тому
@@Edgeperor That's a good joke
@yeller1954
@yeller1954 3 роки тому
But kahoot always has a right awnser
@TaranVH
@TaranVH 4 роки тому
I electronically upvoted this.
@jonaslinter
@jonaslinter 4 роки тому
Nice to see you here
@timdeboer7400
@timdeboer7400 4 роки тому
Taran Van Hemert did you use a macro to do so?
@FergusGriggs
@FergusGriggs 4 роки тому
Or did you...
@maxwelljames3573
@maxwelljames3573 4 роки тому
Are you sure?
@AccV999
@AccV999 4 роки тому
did you forget the whole anonymity part
@mcb187
@mcb187 10 місяців тому
At my poling place, they use a touchscreen monitor to display the ballots to you, but that’s it. You still get handed a paper ballot, and you still turn in a paper ballot. All the computer dies is take your input and punch a hole in the right spot on the paper. It then tells you to verify that the correct markings were made. I, as a visually impaired person, very much appreciate this.
@F-Lambda
@F-Lambda 8 місяців тому
The machines I voted on in California you voted on the machine, but then it printed out a physical receipt of your choices, and that was the ballot that got counted. You then had the opportunity to examine the printout, and if you changed your mind or there was an error you could reject it and it'd be shredded.
@stale2665
@stale2665 8 місяців тому
That's probably the best way to do it. The printed ballots can be easily machine readable, and also easily human readable. You can get the results out to the public really fast, even if you spend days verifying the results afterwards. As long as the margin of error between the machine read result and the human read result remains extremely low, there's no problem.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 6 місяців тому
If the machine knows that you are physically impaired it can punch or print different holes that your impaired eyes cannot see . Flipping all the visually impaired votes may only be enough for a closely contested issue, unless combined with other attacks .
@furtim1
@furtim1 5 місяців тому
It is still computer read and counted. The paper ballot could be correct, the reader program just changes the totals in a convincing way.
@cubing7276
@cubing7276 4 місяці тому
​@@johndododoe1411you forgot that touch is a thing
@tobenamed9424
@tobenamed9424 Рік тому
As someone who does poll work in Canada, the paper ballots and all the record keeping we do makes it next to impossible to tamper with the vote. Even as poll supervisor it would be impossible for me to do without getting caught.
@julessb
@julessb Рік тому
too bad not many canadians vote 😢
@AApyrofreak
@AApyrofreak Рік тому
"I dont know how to do it. It's impossible" - Some dude after 12 min of being explained how it's possible.
@squish162
@squish162 Рік тому
@@AApyrofreakPaper voting. Nothing digital
@karlingtonbanks898
@karlingtonbanks898 Рік тому
@@AApyrofreak can u read?
@SerunaXI
@SerunaXI Рік тому
Here in America, it doesn't matter if you get caught, if the party that has the most power favors what you do.
@denissdenisson6823
@denissdenisson6823 4 роки тому
One of my favorite things ever is people just wanting to play doom on every concievable device.
@somerandomnon9161
@somerandomnon9161 3 роки тому
Doom on a TI-84 is nice. Personally have a copy of it.
@FortniteGod-vt7qz
@FortniteGod-vt7qz 3 роки тому
I've got it on my Samsung smart fridge
@christianskyppytreba2036
@christianskyppytreba2036 3 роки тому
seems like skyrim is trying to overtake that achievement
@rabywastaken
@rabywastaken 3 роки тому
@@somerandomnon9161 I have it on my Ti Nspire, runs great with @234Mhz oc ahah
@somerandomnon9161
@somerandomnon9161 3 роки тому
@@rabywastaken nice dude
@Chraan
@Chraan 4 роки тому
Honestly, who needs an antivirus if you can just watch this video where Tom Scott himself checks your computer and assures you it's clean
@pixel-hy4jx
@pixel-hy4jx 3 роки тому
Tom Scott shall rule the world ahahahah
@abdullahidrees8134
@abdullahidrees8134 3 роки тому
@@pixel-hy4jx aHaHa
@System64MC
@System64MC 3 роки тому
plot twist: the video changes if you have a malware or outdated OS and tells you
@Mushiii
@Mushiii 3 роки тому
thousandth like
@inanjarif1388
@inanjarif1388 3 роки тому
@@System64MC Like a secret ending in a video game? Damn, now I feel like downloading malware to unlock the ending and get that one last achievement
@MrPortugueseDavid
@MrPortugueseDavid Рік тому
I have been a poll worker for elections in Portugal for many years now and I completely agree. Election security is one of the things we should be most conservative about. Here in Portugal, we have to individually count all the ballots we receive before the voting starts, and we must cross-check that by the number of people who have voted, based on the registration rolls, with the number of ballots that have been entered into the ballot box, and the difference must match the number of ballots that remains unused at the end of the day. All the counting is done under the observation of the party delegates and you are forbidden by law to hold any pen or writing instrument while handling the ballots. If there is any discrepancy in any voting table, even something as small as a missing signature or one lost ballot, you get called into court and you have to explain it to the judges.
@onehairybuddha
@onehairybuddha Рік тому
Very similar to the UK, this is the way.
@mabimabi2952
@mabimabi2952 Рік тому
My dad has worked when voting was done by paper here in Brazil. He saw how easy it was to manipulate the results. Compared to that, electronic voting is still not only safer but also much more efficient. All the possible problems regarding electronic voting could also happen with paper.
@fabiosantos1920
@fabiosantos1920 Рік тому
Engraçado, explique o por que dela ser fácil de adulterar, pode usar todos os termos necessários em sua explicação, faço questão de pesquisar para entender seu ponto.
@astralalchemy9761
@astralalchemy9761 Рік тому
@@fabiosantos1920 acho q vc entendeu errado amigo, ele está defendendo as urnas eletronicas
@FabioCapela
@FabioCapela Рік тому
@@fabiosantos1920 Se você está se referindo a votos em papel, inúmeras maneiras. A urna pode vir já com votos, o mesário pode marcar cédulas e fazer com que sejam consideradas nulas, pessoas contando votos podem anular votos válidos e transformar votos em branco em válidos, etc. Outra fraude usada até a implementação das urnas eletrônicas era feita por coronéis e traficantes. Eles juntavam os eleitores "cativos" deles, o primeiro ia votar, e ao invés de votar fingia colocar o voto na urna e voltava com a cédula em branco. O traficante pegava essa cédula, preenchia como quisesse, e entregava para o segundo eleitor "cativo", que tinha que depositar a cédula já preenchida e voltar com outra cédula em branco. Esse processo seguia até todo o eleitorado "cativo" ter votado. (Diga-se de passagem, a ditadura militar era campeã de fraudes. Eles roubavam tudo o que podiam na cara dura.) Para quem tem a minha idade, não era raro antes das urnas eletrônicas ver algumas dezenas de matérias nos jornais sobre fraudes encontradas nas eleições. Eu tive até aula na escola sobre como identificar fraudes para poder denunciá-las.
@a.martins3254
@a.martins3254 Рік тому
@@FabioCapela teve casos de urnas encontradas em lixões, riachos que serviam como esgoto...era como as coisas funcionavam naquela época
@SrMorais
@SrMorais Рік тому
KKKKKKKKKKKK tão seguro quanto pular num vulcão
@NaruShadow
@NaruShadow 4 роки тому
Tom: "I trust that the device you're watching this video on is completely Malware free" Me: "I'm glad you do because I don't"
@Kenionatus
@Kenionatus 4 роки тому
Me every other day: Yes Windows. I absolutely trust that software I just downloaded from a random webpage. Now shut up and run it with elevated privileges.
@matteoalberghini3816
@matteoalberghini3816 4 роки тому
If someone has the same problem, use malwarebytes, it will save your device from all standard malwares :)
@banaroklionrage9536
@banaroklionrage9536 4 роки тому
@@matteoalberghini3816 the word is "standard", that means only already discovered malware are being found, and new malware gets made all the time, exploting new security holes.
@ThatFadedAsian
@ThatFadedAsian 4 роки тому
Any anti-virus software < Tech literacy, Even the most basic of hackers can beat an anti-virus. Anti Virus Programs mostly identify virus from a database of file checksums. If a file has the same checksum as something in the database it's a virus. If not it isn't, even if it is. All you have to do to change the checksums is use a program called an obfuscatetor which adds useless data to the file, which changes the checksum value, then use an existing virus that already exists, and boom you beat pretty much all existing anti-viruses.
@AndersJackson
@AndersJackson 4 роки тому
@@ThatFadedAsian well, that is how they used to work (Yes, they still do, but not only). Now day they also analys behaivour of programs. Because of what you said. I uses Linux, so I have no problems with viruses. 😜 (of course not, but it still better then Windows, even though Linux isn't proytected from viruses, especially social viruses or viruses attacking web browsers).
@scipio5916
@scipio5916 4 роки тому
Tom: Why electronic voting is a bad idea Chinese government: Why voting is a bad idea
@jan_harald
@jan_harald 4 роки тому
you forgot "on" from electronic ;P you can electrically vote by touching the right wires together...
@ProductofSeebach
@ProductofSeebach 4 роки тому
Plato in The Republic: Democracy always leads to oligarchy, plutocracy, and tyranny.
@davidpatel5267
@davidpatel5267 4 роки тому
North Korea: What's voting?
@JohnEusebioToronto
@JohnEusebioToronto 4 роки тому
@@davidpatel5267 North Korea technically has elections. Kim Jung Un is the only candidate.
@davidpatel5267
@davidpatel5267 4 роки тому
@@JohnEusebioToronto It has elections, I stand by it has no votes. Can't vote when you're starving to death🤷🏽‍♂️😂😂
@GeorgeWurthmann
@GeorgeWurthmann Рік тому
Almost all the problems that you pointed out in the electronic vote also happen in the physical vote and, almost always, the failure is aggravated.
@quintonwilson8565
@quintonwilson8565 Рік тому
That's what he said... With a move to electronic, the attacks can be easier, more impactful, and harder to trace.
@nwerd7584
@nwerd7584 Рік тому
@@quintonwilson8565 its already "hard" to trace when a whole system wont let you audit it. At this point its fairly lateral.
@aleksandar5323
@aleksandar5323 Рік тому
@@nwerd7584 I think we have to abandon secret voting. Either broadcast publicly who you vote for or shut the hell up. Scary, nasty, but probably the only way we can ever be sure the vote hasn't been doctored with.
@mauricio_ds2322
@mauricio_ds2322 Рік тому
@@aleksandar5323 I won't even explain why this is a stupid idea...
@aleksandar5323
@aleksandar5323 Рік тому
@@mauricio_ds2322 It probably is but I feel like we don't have a lot of options. Paper ballets are also very much tampered with and I'm starting to loose faith in all voting.
@gordon.sarratt
@gordon.sarratt Рік тому
In the US, people didn’t even trust mail-in paper voting, so the lack of trust in electronic voting might end up getting people to overthrow the government.
@metallboy25
@metallboy25 7 місяців тому
Naah, they are not going to overthrow anything. Biden still being in office is the proof of that.
@irishmanfromengland25
@irishmanfromengland25 7 місяців тому
honestly, I'm amazed they haven't done it already.
@fanny2081
@fanny2081 6 місяців тому
Yes because there is insane fraud with mail in ballots and electronic voting.
@furtim1
@furtim1 5 місяців тому
Mail-in ballots should not be accepted - in-person, verified identification, paper ballots only. No exceptions. On vacation on election day? Too bad. Too sick to leave the hospital? Poll workers can come to you if you demand it.
@N12015
@N12015 4 місяці тому
@@irishmanfromengland25 Don't you remember the incident of the Capitol? It happened PRECISELY due to how unreliable electronic voting was to the point it's reasonable to say we don't truly know who actually won the elections.
@dangerousnoodle8779
@dangerousnoodle8779 2 роки тому
"I am endorsing dashlane for two reasons; One, they have given me money, obviously" Ah Tom, never change.
@NimeveasKM
@NimeveasKM 2 роки тому
xDDDD
@xdev_henry
@xdev_henry Рік тому
Well he’s not getting this ad again 😂
@crafciak31
@crafciak31 Рік тому
@@xdev_henry I mean, Dashlane had to approve this ad, so...
@Miku-uw2sl
@Miku-uw2sl Рік тому
@@xdev_henry He is legally required to disclose the fact that it's a paid promotion - the only difference is that he did it in an unsusually informal way in this video
@hungryweebsg
@hungryweebsg Рік тому
He's got me hooked
@ColCoal
@ColCoal 4 роки тому
In 15 years: Tom - "Here is why Quantum voting is an even WORSE idea!"
@zerokelvinkeyboard1012
@zerokelvinkeyboard1012 4 роки тому
Photon effect could cause your votes to be redshifted or blueshifted! XD
@franchocou
@franchocou 4 роки тому
You can't duplicate thing in quantum state
@sergey198
@sergey198 4 роки тому
In 25 years: Tom - "Here is why Skynet voting is the end of the World"
@damiankaleomontero496
@damiankaleomontero496 4 роки тому
Well actually quantum encryption solves the problem
@martinsmouter9321
@martinsmouter9321 4 роки тому
@@damiankaleomontero496 if you trust the encryptor and counter. Edit: and quantum encryption breaking doesn't get invented.
@kibaanazuka332
@kibaanazuka332 Рік тому
The only times I've heard of electronic voting in some form is overseas voters (Military or Overseas Citizens) in my home state where they can fax or email a ballot to the county elections office to vote in an election. The main thing is that you are still filling out a paper ballot and having to scan or fax your ballot to the elections office who treat your ballot as an Alternative Format Ballot that is verified of the signature and then put onto an official ballot so that it can be run through the machine and tabulated.
@andrepoon
@andrepoon Рік тому
“A centralised system should not be used as it can’t be trusted”… “this video is sponsored by… a centralised password system… to store all your most sensitive data!!” 😂
@HANKSANDY69420
@HANKSANDY69420 Рік тому
Lmfao However ironic that is, I trust it more than electronic voting. Not buying it anyway, but still.
@HANKSANDY69420
@HANKSANDY69420 Рік тому
@@doughoffman9463 and whats ur point
@HANKSANDY69420
@HANKSANDY69420 Рік тому
@@doughoffman9463 oh
@EulerAlvarenga1
@EulerAlvarenga1 Рік тому
Well, a lot of them just got hacked this week. I think you have a point.
@marethyu7145
@marethyu7145 Рік тому
@@EulerAlvarenga1 LastPass moment
@ivarne
@ivarne 4 роки тому
"It needs to be obvious to everyone, no matter their technical knowledge, that the system can be trusted." Scary thing about electronic voting is that the more you know and learn, the less you think that it can be trusted.
@QuintarFarenor
@QuintarFarenor 4 роки тому
Which is the problem. Tom is very naiv in saying that trust is the main problem. People are too trusting, especially if they can't change it.
@richdobbs6595
@richdobbs6595 4 роки тому
Funny thing about representative democracy is the more that you know and learn, the less you think it can be trusted.
@laurencefraser
@laurencefraser 4 роки тому
@@richdobbs6595 then you consider the alternatives. Most of them have major downsides (usually 'doesn't scale past small town size without breaking')
@icedragon769
@icedragon769 4 роки тому
@@QuintarFarenor What are you even saying? You think it is a good thing that people can't trust their elections? You think that elections shouldn't strive to be trustable?
@QuintarFarenor
@QuintarFarenor 4 роки тому
@@icedragon769 You're absolutely misunderstanding: I'm saying that people are TOO trusting! sure we need to make votes more trustworthy but we need to make people more sceptical too and I think that's a bit more important even. I'm in and from Germany, we have only paper votes. Even then I think people are too trusting.
@MagyarGaben
@MagyarGaben 2 роки тому
"Vote red, or you'll regret it." Said Tom, wearing his signature red shirt.
@d.madureira
@d.madureira 2 роки тому
Tommunism
@yashsawarn9050
@yashsawarn9050 2 роки тому
10 years down the line: Tulags come into existence
@PalkkiTT
@PalkkiTT 2 роки тому
@@d.madureira Communism = Worker control over the means of production. There is no state, money or class. Tommunism = Tom Scott controls the means of production. There is no, unintresting places, american accent or electronic voting.
@randompheidoleminor3011
@randompheidoleminor3011 2 роки тому
@@PalkkiTT time zones will be abolished as well
@PalkkiTT
@PalkkiTT 2 роки тому
@@randompheidoleminor3011 And Icelandic-Mexican food.
@guilhermeborges3
@guilhermeborges3 Рік тому
Tom Scott: eletronic voting is still a bad idea Urna eletrônica brasileira: segura minha cerveja
@iVinicius9990
@iVinicius9990 Рік тому
E o tom tava certo kkkkk
@mahuba2553
@mahuba2553 Рік тому
pois e, ele tava certo
@vicentefrancavalcarcel3995
@vicentefrancavalcarcel3995 Рік тому
Ele está certo.... Nenhum dispositivo eletrônico é 100% seguro, assim como nenhum barco é inafragavel, (lembra do Titanic)
@piticolsf4748
@piticolsf4748 Рік тому
@@iVinicius9990 certo por qual razão? Veio chorar aqui também porque teu candidato perdeu?
@lucaschabu
@lucaschabu Рік тому
@@piticolsf4748 HEHEHEHEHEHE
@iGamezRo
@iGamezRo Рік тому
So, in Romania we have normal Paper Voting. You are identified with and ID Paper (Birth Certificate, ID Card, Driver License, Passport), then you are handled your ballot and a special non-erasable ink stamp. You go into the booth, you stamp your party/candidate/candidate list of choice then go out, put the paper into the ballot box and sign a paper which confirms that you voted. That's kind of it. The votes are counted by every election station's organizing committee and then passed to the local level then county and national if it is a Presidential Election.
@gibusgamer93
@gibusgamer93 3 роки тому
"To break an electronic election, you don't actually need to break it, you just need to cast enough doubt on the result." *Laughs in 2020 USA*
@TheGrinningViking
@TheGrinningViking 2 роки тому
I do believe the 2020 election was not rigged, because they rigged the polling data (rich people only like donating large amounts if it looks like you will win) and if they had rigged the polls it would have matched. But there's no way to check in states with electronic machines.
@Alienwareofficial
@Alienwareofficial 2 роки тому
@@TheGrinningViking but of course when it was obama's election everyone was blaming the russian, but now that it's against trump everyone is saying it wasn't rigged unlike on 2016
@sheeplessknight8732
@sheeplessknight8732 2 роки тому
@@Alienwareofficial no one said that 2016 was rigged, only that the Russians had a concerted disinformation campaign meant to interfere with the election.
@Alienwareofficial
@Alienwareofficial 2 роки тому
@@sheeplessknight8732 cnn & bbc were all over it back to 2016, just because you missed see the articles doesn't mean no one said it
@arceegee19
@arceegee19 2 роки тому
@@Alienwareofficial the russian disinfo in 2016 has actual data and proof behind it while the 2020 fraud cases have no basis evem after dozens of attempted lawsuits
@piguu7226
@piguu7226 4 роки тому
Just realised Tom did this in one-take.
@SunflowerSpotlight
@SunflowerSpotlight 4 роки тому
Respect. 😅
@milindbordia
@milindbordia 4 роки тому
Ironic that you wrote ironic how you write one take in one take in one take
@firstlast5454
@firstlast5454 4 роки тому
Is it really one take if i erase my message before posting it??
@DuckboyMcgee
@DuckboyMcgee 4 роки тому
Ironic that you wrote ironic that you wrote ironic how you write one take in one take.
@ErdrickHero
@ErdrickHero 4 роки тому
@@DuckboyMcgee The following statement is true. The previous statement is false.
@dafnelopes5072
@dafnelopes5072 Рік тому
All fraude cases in Brasil happened when we had to vote using paper. Counting votes one by one that came in a box that can be easily changed,replaced. Very safe and efficient.
@EulerAlvarenga1
@EulerAlvarenga1 Рік тому
The only problem, you can't confirm that for sure. We call this Faith.
@nescaufrioemtbom1113
@nescaufrioemtbom1113 Рік тому
The votes are counted by both parties So if we would vote by the old method, the PT and PL parties would have the right to count the votes
@nandotemplo
@nandotemplo Рік тому
All DISCOVERED frauds you mean. Now they are just not discovered anymore.
@zyuukki2704
@zyuukki2704 Рік тому
@@nescaufrioemtbom1113 Por que tá falando em inglês com uma pessoa que é nativa kkkkkk
@nescaufrioemtbom1113
@nescaufrioemtbom1113 Рік тому
@@zyuukki2704 maybe for the gringos understanding us?
@Amirhesamyan
@Amirhesamyan Рік тому
In Iran, we solved this problem already. We know the election result before the election.
@leoSaunders
@leoSaunders Рік тому
😂😂😂😂😂👍💚💚
@freddieindaboxx4416
@freddieindaboxx4416 3 роки тому
Just add an "i'm not a robot" captcha then you're fine.
@drabberfrog
@drabberfrog 3 роки тому
Then most of the ballots won't even be counted because people will fail the captcha.
@nothanks39
@nothanks39 3 роки тому
@@drabberfrog "people" sure they are
@drabberfrog
@drabberfrog 3 роки тому
@@nothanks39 the voting machines will be the only ones smart enough to pass the Captcha
@johndoe9450
@johndoe9450 3 роки тому
and make sure you have to confirm email adress
@redleader7988
@redleader7988 3 роки тому
Democrats: But minority people won't know how pass a Captcha...or know how to get an ID card.
@coryman125
@coryman125 4 роки тому
"I'm sure that the device you personally are watching this on is malware-free and up to date" Wow, you've got high expectations for how much effort goes into my laptop
@vonriel1822
@vonriel1822 4 роки тому
Don't worry, it was his way of saying nicely, "Since you likely won't accept that your machine leaks worse than a colander full of water, imagine how insecure everyone else's stuff is!"
@fovlsbane
@fovlsbane 4 роки тому
"No windows, come back again tomorrow"
@Aoderic
@Aoderic 4 роки тому
Running a malware test right now, just to be sure...
@jan.tichavsky
@jan.tichavsky 4 роки тому
I'm reasonably sure my devices are malware free because I'm taking care of them and how I use them. Still I can't be complete sure with all the apps in my phone, although any possible security problem would be most likely in small scale. Now imagine all people who are not tech oriented enough to have Linux and know exactly what packages are installing on their system, have checked the checksums or trust the package manager, are following security mailing lists, have real, limited rights sandbox or even virtual machine for internet use (I don't) and so on.
@mattlarson9897
@mattlarson9897 Рік тому
In the state of Georgia, USA we use computers to vote that then print paper ballots for you to look at and make sure they are correct. Then you place that paper in a scanner that deposits the paper in a sealed container. When the election is complete they read the electronic scanned data. They also randomly audit areas by hand counting the paper votes and comparing them to the scanned data. All paper ballots are kept in case there is an issue, then they call all be hand counted. This way they can get immediate results but they can also revarify the results if they find any issues.
@Quintinohthree
@Quintinohthree Рік тому
Why would you want immediate results that could be overturned when you already have exit-polls that nobody will be confused by.
@mattlarson9897
@mattlarson9897 Рік тому
@@Quintinohthree So far the immediate results have never been overturned because they have proven accurate every time. But if for some reason the immediate electronic results do not match the paper ballot audit we can still go back and hand count everything. Why would you ever want to wait days or weeks for results when you don't have to???
@ComradeOgilvy1984
@ComradeOgilvy1984 Рік тому
This makes sense. Spot checking randomly is good enough unless you have suspiciously skewed batches. Then prioritize those batches (e.g. "Why are there two boxes that the machine tally says went 90% to one candidate? Let's look at the paper ballots."
@EightThreeEight
@EightThreeEight Рік тому
Isn't that just the world's most expensive pencil?
@prostytroll
@prostytroll Рік тому
Sure...
@arievilolinad
@arievilolinad Рік тому
Bad idea é assar hambúrguer e salsicha e chamar de churrasco
@kaseycarvalho6936
@kaseycarvalho6936 Рік тому
kkkkkkkkkkk melhor comentário
@MarcosWassem
@MarcosWassem Рік тому
Ele é britânico
@carolinwna
@carolinwna Рік тому
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
@HANKSANDY69420
@HANKSANDY69420 Рік тому
Ur clearly not a 'Murican, in more ways than one...
@jerryhu9005
@jerryhu9005 4 роки тому
This should be a recurring series for Tom Scott! *Tom checks every 5 years:* _Is electronic voting still a bad idea? Yup_
@Moks89
@Moks89 4 роки тому
Just reupload the same video, but change the intro.
@jamil3286
@jamil3286 4 роки тому
With how uk politics has been lately its more likely to be every 2 yeare
@arthurgiles379
@arthurgiles379 4 роки тому
Fixed Tom Parliament Act
@jan.tichavsky
@jan.tichavsky 4 роки тому
I think electronic voting will happen in future, it's kind of inevitable to keep advancing in technology, using more and more automation while relying on ancient and imperfect system of manually counting votes on sometimes rather large sheets of papers with countless possible combinations. Automation will include scanning the ballots, counting the votes, then it will be matter of time before recording the vote itself will go electronic. Depends on voting system used but let me tell you that there are elections with many rules and voting options that not only it does already confuse the voters how they can actually and effectively cast their votes but the election commission (or how it's called) doing the counting doesn't exactly follow the rather thick rule book aka the law, and the volunteers are often retired people who have serious issues with any advanced counting and doing it for hours of undivided attention and not making a mistake, systematic or numerical. We have many reports how preferential votes were miscounted on paper ballots and more often than not the results are either kept as it is because it didn't have enough potential impact on the results or people don't find all the suspicious cases or the complaint isn't even filled. Because then that whole district would have to repeat the voting, less people would come second time and some party might feel they would get even worse result while holding up the final official result.
@CarlosN2
@CarlosN2 4 роки тому
This guy completely ignores what blockchain technology is. As a computer guy you have to be critical enough to spot when someone is losing track of technology.
@RGBY-tv4hg
@RGBY-tv4hg 4 роки тому
"If you are techy enough to watch to the end" You underestimate my boredom Mr. Scott
@meetaverma8372
@meetaverma8372 4 роки тому
Isn't your profile picture from theodd1sout
@penggao7034
@penggao7034 3 роки тому
Meeta Verma I’m not that person, but yes
@user-kx8pu6ys5i
@user-kx8pu6ys5i 3 роки тому
@@meetaverma8372 ye
@four0for
@four0for 3 роки тому
Or my capacity for procrastination
@thewanderinggamer1369
@thewanderinggamer1369 3 роки тому
@@meetaverma8372 gee I wonder
@RichardNatal
@RichardNatal Рік тому
Just to contribute, in Brazil, the machines are sealed and transported to the local TR and the transfer occurs over there. We vote with this system, which is improving each election, since 1998 with no significant problem until now.
@ely3382
@ely3382 Рік тому
confia
@0123MGR
@0123MGR Рік тому
With no significant concerns until now, cause I don’t see a problem 😅
@0123MGR
@0123MGR Рік тому
And also, we use biometry by fingerprint 😊
@kevinlimapena5698
@kevinlimapena5698 Рік тому
Confia
@cWjkL8ysxOkrH66
@cWjkL8ysxOkrH66 Рік тому
@@kevinlimapena5698 crente na net:
@carloshs1818
@carloshs1818 Рік тому
PLEAAAAAASE come to BRAZIL to check how we have been doing it for YEARS! It is said here to be absolutly secure.
@Helperbot-2000
@Helperbot-2000 3 роки тому
"What is taking so long?" *hacker playing doom* "uh nothing"
@user-kx8pu6ys5i
@user-kx8pu6ys5i 3 роки тому
*hears super hardcore music* "Must've been the wind"
@ratedpending
@ratedpending 3 роки тому
what
@itskdog
@itskdog 3 роки тому
Proof of Concept of an ACE exploit, though, which is why they did it that way.
@iacopoguidi7871
@iacopoguidi7871 4 роки тому
Tom Scott: "vote red or you'll regret it". Also Tom Scott: wears a red t shirt.
@GryphLane
@GryphLane 4 роки тому
Tom literally always wears a red shirt.
@sturek
@sturek 4 роки тому
@@DRDynamyte_ I prefer the old shade of red...
@roughshaf7321
@roughshaf7321 4 роки тому
don't forget the punch on the hand to indicate towards the emphasis on regret
@dragonslayerornstein387
@dragonslayerornstein387 4 роки тому
I'll always vote freedom 😄
@soiledhalo2296
@soiledhalo2296 4 роки тому
@@sturek me too. This one is too dark imo.
@higor_h_
@higor_h_ Рік тому
the question of distrust depends a lot, because if you don't trust the electronic voting machine, which has the same security as the big banks (in the case of Brazil) it doesn't make sense to trust a piece of paper more than the ballot box, even for the lay people
@max1mus963
@max1mus963 Рік тому
Não é questão de confiar, vc viu o que ele falou, não faz a mínima ideia de como é o voto eletrônico. Quem vota em papel e acha que não é fraudável é iludido. Vc sequer tem garantia de o papel não ter sido extraviado antes de chegar em quem conta. Mas eu não sei como funciona o voto em papel...
@fabriciobarros2378
@fabriciobarros2378 Рік тому
@@max1mus963 Nao é questão apenas de ser fraudado. Todo tipo de sistema está sujeito a fraude. Mas sim a transparência. O eleitor não tem a mínima ideal do que está acontecendo dentro daquela máquina e se seu voto foi realmente computado. Diferente do papel que ele sabe 100% que realmente foi computado seu voto. E no caso do sistema em papel é muito complexo que seja feita uma fraude em grande escala. Diferentemente, do software usado para realizar a tarefa de contar os votos. um simples alteração no código, consegue fraudar toda eleição. Comparando as duas maneiras, sem dúvidas o sistema de papel continua sendo mais seguro e principalmente, transparente.
@DavidWDRS
@DavidWDRS Рік тому
Higor, the paper is for you to validate that your votes were printed correctly. In the case of auditoriums, any citizen can verify that their role is the same as the one they viewed and confirmed.
@max1mus963
@max1mus963 Рік тому
@@DavidWDRS How a paper printed by the same machine that you don't trust could be a verifying method?
@DeverlyFonseca
@DeverlyFonseca Рік тому
@@max1mus963 in the case proposed at Brazil, the voter could check the paper printed, and once he confirmed the information were accurate, the machine would then store the paper in a sealed box. (The Voter would't take the paper home)
@gustabo.
@gustabo. Рік тому
Tom, it's actually concerning that you didn't even made a single research to talk about that subject.
@kayakr17
@kayakr17 3 роки тому
"To break an electronic election you don't actually have to break it, you just have to cast enough doubt." *Winces in United States*
@oldgamermusic
@oldgamermusic 3 роки тому
PS. CNN
@thekingoffailure9967
@thekingoffailure9967 3 роки тому
the funny thing is he's bashing physical mail-in voting and not the far easier to compromise electronic part. as much as a collapsing democracy can be funny
@pflernak
@pflernak 3 роки тому
@@thekingoffailure9967 To be fair voting by mail isnt exactly safe either. My solution would be to extend the voting period and have a time booking system for when one can vote.
@cordeep
@cordeep 3 роки тому
Please send help
@someonesomewhere1240
@someonesomewhere1240 3 роки тому
@@pflernak You don't even need a time booking system. Plenty of places have two week or more advance voting periods, no excuse required. What you do need is enough polling places and staff that lines never exceed ten minutes. That breaks the intentional voter suppression that you have in the US.
@MyoticTesseract
@MyoticTesseract 4 роки тому
In 2050, Tom Scott uploads the video "Why Electronic Voting Is Still Still Still Still Still A Bad Idea."
@thePronto
@thePronto 4 роки тому
@Mob nah. Tom's 50m fans mysteriously downvote it and Tom takes it down himself.
@akivaweil5066
@akivaweil5066 4 роки тому
@@thePronto underrated comment
@hamiltonsantos9295
@hamiltonsantos9295 Рік тому
Have you researched brazilian voting system, we use eletronic voting for a long time and many possible problems pointed by you are addressed
@igorhilgemberg6224
@igorhilgemberg6224 Рік тому
Not every problem addressed by him was solved, actually there is a strong one that is really hard to solve, the fact that most people in the country don't even begin to understand how the software inside of the voting machine works. Therefore it makes perfect sense that people don't really trust on it. People never agreed to electronic voting because they can't trust in what they don't know. I mean, it's easy to understand a ballot system not an electronic one. I understand what people claim. Even if there are no verified faults in the system, people will never trust it because they need tecnical knowledge to do so, and that's a problem.
@Liravin
@Liravin 4 роки тому
10:39 "because they give me money" 10/10 ad
@GodwynDi
@GodwynDi 4 роки тому
Went right to them after that to check it out
@EnterStationNameHere
@EnterStationNameHere 3 роки тому
China adaptation : 'why voting is a bad idea.'
@cx24venezuela
@cx24venezuela 3 роки тому
Why Hong Kong get away and we need unleash deadly plague then
@morienbendinelli1554
@morienbendinelli1554 3 роки тому
China adaptation : 'why voting is a bad idea.' Ancap/A1 adaptation: 'why voting is a bad idea.' China: ? Ancap/A1: ? 😂
@Vinkie
@Vinkie 3 роки тому
US edition just came out
@xway2
@xway2 3 роки тому
The use the same sort of arguments as people in the US arguing in favour of the electoral college. Basically "people can't be trusted, we need a system to make sure they choose the best option".
@CC-hx8gj
@CC-hx8gj 3 роки тому
Democracy is the worst system of government
@vixenv36
@vixenv36 2 місяці тому
I wish the world had listened to you here. This is more prevalent today, conquest and greed, destroyed mankind.
@shaggygoat
@shaggygoat Рік тому
I love how the honestly designed Nedap ES3B Voting machine was hacked to play chess despite it being able to only execute code in its ROM (not altered for the hack). Though a buffer overflow bug in a file save dialogue box, a new virtual machine was created on the stack out of crafted return addresses to parts of functions in ROM. Then there are the blatantly dishonest voting machines and tabulators made be Sequoia Systems (with Good/Evil switch SW4), Diebold’s "explorer.glb” back door feature, and the mandated single user and password to be shared by everyone because the system must be restarted every time a new user has to log in.
@royalgaming-br1gl
@royalgaming-br1gl 4 роки тому
PC spec people: Will it run crysis Hardware Hackers: Will it run Doom
@blunderbus2695
@blunderbus2695 4 роки тому
Everything can run Doom if you try hard enough
@monoastro
@monoastro 4 роки тому
@@blunderbus2695 show me how to run Doom on a single quark
@hecko-yes
@hecko-yes 4 роки тому
@@monoastro some science person had a theory where all the electrons in the world are the same one after different amounts of time travel, which means every single game of doom ever played was ran on it
@monoastro
@monoastro 4 роки тому
@@hecko-yes I asked for a quark
@hecko-yes
@hecko-yes 4 роки тому
@@monoastro ...frick
@thecarelessgamer926
@thecarelessgamer926 3 роки тому
4:58 Rule of programming If you can code on it It can run doom
@jomialsipi
@jomialsipi 3 роки тому
People have ran doom on pregnancy tests now.
@iamjimgroth
@iamjimgroth 3 роки тому
@@jomialsipi not really. Just on a device put inside the casing of a pregnancy test.
@nottrevorallen
@nottrevorallen 3 роки тому
i will not be happy until i see doom running on the apollo command computer
@iamjimgroth
@iamjimgroth 3 роки тому
@@nottrevorallen Good luck with that at 2 Mhz. :P
@impepperspray
@impepperspray 3 роки тому
not can, will.
@calango4553
@calango4553 Рік тому
Wow, I am watching the same questions that was answered 30 years ago and every two years my government still needs to answer again to this people.
@Gililaw
@Gililaw Рік тому
i find it funny that im brazillian and there is a warning-like message saying that the brazillian electronic voting system is secure, btw im not saying its not safe i just find it funny that is appearing on a tom scott video
@raiden72
@raiden72 Рік тому
Unless you have the private key to your vote, it would be impossible to verify that your vote is actually yours or that it was counted. We all need Bitcoins for voting so that we can spend our vote with our own keys, not giving the government keys to our votes!
@Naharu.
@Naharu. Рік тому
@@raiden72 you need to go outside and touch some grass, even if its artificial
@johndoe-vc1we
@johndoe-vc1we 10 днів тому
In India I get a link to the Indian election commission. Well done 😊
@johndoe-vc1we
@johndoe-vc1we 10 днів тому
​​@@raiden72look up vvpat for Indian voting machines. We run the biggest elections on the planet now for over two decades
@JohnSmith-yx8kf
@JohnSmith-yx8kf 3 роки тому
“This video has breached our terms of service”
@ignaciojavierkairuzeguia599
@ignaciojavierkairuzeguia599 3 роки тому
Well, it's not that far away from reality. It's demonetized .... 😕
@NoGoodHandlesComingToMind
@NoGoodHandlesComingToMind 3 роки тому
Oops!
@heckingbamboozled8097
@heckingbamboozled8097 3 роки тому
Why would that be the case? The Dominion votes and this "contested" election weren't done with electronic votes. The votes were done in person, then printed and counted. That's completely different than voting from home electronically. The parallels the people in these comments are drawing are very strange and inaccurate.
@caiusKeys
@caiusKeys 3 роки тому
Tom is clearly a Nazi /sarc
@DougalNorges
@DougalNorges 4 роки тому
"I'm sure that the device you're watching this on is malware free and up to date" Aha! I win this round Tom Scott!
@aaronstorey9712
@aaronstorey9712 4 роки тому
I think the viruses keep my computer working at this point
@weakspirit_
@weakspirit_ 4 роки тому
linux voids most problems. there's ad-blockers on my browser. hopefully i'm savvy enough that i would get away with visiting some malware-infested sites.
@gizmodobaggins7040
@gizmodobaggins7040 4 роки тому
Dawn Praiser Linux users.
@AdamWhistle1
@AdamWhistle1 4 роки тому
It is as malware free as my free software can tell it is.
@empath69
@empath69 3 роки тому
Gotta remember tell Tom to be more obvious with the sarcasm, next time. ;)
@SanalMG
@SanalMG Місяць тому
There are VVPATs which print your vote, show you and put automatically in a ballot box while the corresponding digital data is recorded on an SSD
@Quintinohthree
@Quintinohthree 8 днів тому
That's just a complicated pencil with the added downside that votes are recorded before they are counted.
@matheuss886
@matheuss886 Рік тому
Meanwhile Brazil updates the results of its electronic ballot boxes in a matter of 2 or 3 hours, like a download or the upgrading of some operational system, in a safe and effective way.
@libertarianalchemist7995
@libertarianalchemist7995 Рік тому
How can you prove that it's safe?
@pioxels2311
@pioxels2311 Рік тому
@@libertarianalchemist7995 it has many security checks and encrypted codes, it's virtuallt impossible to hack one
@DouglasCaiado
@DouglasCaiado Рік тому
@@libertarianalchemist7995 he doesn't need proof. Some people that seem important/smart told him so, and since he is functionally illiterate, he just believes the nonsense discourse.
@embly2319
@embly2319 Рік тому
you realize that other countries validate paper ballots within a similar amount time right? the ballots are a physical receipt that is then counted by a machine at the polling site. using a hybrid system is fast, and has the added benefit of ensuring physical authenticity. purely electronic voting cannot and never will be able to ensure authenticity.
@matheuss886
@matheuss886 Рік тому
@@embly2319 Those hybrid systems sound interesting. Gotta take a look later.
@ThatRoma
@ThatRoma 3 роки тому
"People can be corrupt, or threatened, or incompetent... or all three at the same time" Hello from Belarus...
@user-xd4sk4pk7h
@user-xd4sk4pk7h 3 роки тому
Under rated comment
@I_AM_HYDRAA
@I_AM_HYDRAA 3 роки тому
trump
@sobtrax1846
@sobtrax1846 3 роки тому
hello from poland
@whobein
@whobein 3 роки тому
Hello from Brazil
@neliasoares6217
@neliasoares6217 3 роки тому
@@whobein add stupid and it's Bolsonaro
@EducatedTiger
@EducatedTiger 3 роки тому
Point made (and I've used similar arguments against electronic voting before, so thank you for the great material!), but as for the Doom thing: given that hackers and geeks will attempt to run Doom on literally anything with a chip, we've hit the point where if you CAN'T run Doom on something, it can be argued that that object is not, in fact, a computer.
@Colonel_Overkill
@Colonel_Overkill 2 роки тому
I saw doom running on cardboard pannels. Is my cereal box the computer or the poor fucker holding the cutouts?
@TheTrekkie12
@TheTrekkie12 2 роки тому
somebody figured out how to run Doom on AO3 (archive of our own, a fanfiction archive in case you didn't know what it was)
@pairot01
@pairot01 2 роки тому
Of course a voting machine is able to run doom, but its software should let you do it!
@hanelyp1
@hanelyp1 2 роки тому
From a practical security standpoint, running Doom on a machine demonstrates that execution of non-trivial arbitrary code is possible.
@romxxii
@romxxii 2 роки тому
And if you _can_ run Doom on it, Bethesda will try to release Skyrim for it.
@luizbobio137
@luizbobio137 Рік тому
Alexandre de Moraes assistindo esse vídeo: Ovo manda a PF preparar o avião e fazer uma visita pra esse gringo, atos antidemocráticos!
@Gadottinho
@Gadottinho Рік тому
kkkkkkkkkkkkkk
@iskabin
@iskabin Рік тому
Alexandre de Moraes dá 24h para Bolsonaro explicar pq o gringo falou mal do voto eletrônico
@Lilioso
@Lilioso Рік тому
Its because of this that we in Brasil know the results in the same day, and in usa the delay suggests People to invade the parlament.
@brandonmartin-moore5302
@brandonmartin-moore5302 4 роки тому
The number of times I've sent the old video to people when they've asked why we don't just vote online now...
@EroShynOObi
@EroShynOObi 4 роки тому
524288?
@themonkeyz
@themonkeyz 4 роки тому
@@EroShynOObi How can we know that this has been counted accurately?
@codediporpal
@codediporpal 4 роки тому
I was just typing almost the same comment. This video is so critically important.
@namenameson9065
@namenameson9065 4 роки тому
Who needs to hack electronic voting when the left is already hacking our demographics through mass migration?
@commonsense0692
@commonsense0692 4 роки тому
If we had electronic voting just imagine we would actually democratically vote on every agenda!! instead of one vote to elect one party and them having absolute total power over the country for years
@CarlosVictor
@CarlosVictor 3 роки тому
You’ve just summoned Brazilians in your comments. Now you’re going to Brazil.
@berg4549
@berg4549 3 роки тому
Tava pensando o mesmo kkkkk.
@Nero_PR
@Nero_PR 3 роки тому
Mas não podemos negar que o algoritmo do UKposts funcionou que é uma beleza dessa vez.
@gabrielymatias3998
@gabrielymatias3998 3 роки тому
we are no longer asking, he's going to brazil
@papaxota4725
@papaxota4725 3 роки тому
He's going to brazil
@MrGamePlayer1000CHNL
@MrGamePlayer1000CHNL 3 роки тому
nonono i dont want to go to brazil ahh ooh god help me ahh
@Rappini_
@Rappini_ Рік тому
Me,a brazilian seeing this: *laughs*
@jubscreuto
@jubscreuto Рік тому
Here in brazil we, unfortunaly, use electronic voting
@julyanaxel201
@julyanaxel201 Рік тому
Brazilian electronic voting is totally secure
@jubscreuto
@jubscreuto Рік тому
@@julyanaxel201 No like, every single time there is something very strange, this year a city with 150 people got 150k votes
@julyanaxel201
@julyanaxel201 Рік тому
@@jubscreuto is the earth flat?
@jubscreuto
@jubscreuto Рік тому
@@julyanaxel201 No 💀
Рік тому
@@julyanaxel201 Hahahahahahahahaha! Oh, wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
@09philj
@09philj 4 роки тому
Things found at DEFCON this year included: - Encryption keys for a poll book stored in plain text in a standard xml file. - Root access to a ballot marking machine achieved by connecting a USB keyboard and pressing the windows key. - Hackers were able to remove a CF card containing voter data using nothing but an inexpensive screwdriver, then replacing it with one that allowed the hackers to play pong. - Lots of absent or simple OS and BIOS passwords that allowed machines to be used as low end PCs.
@Merahki3863
@Merahki3863 4 роки тому
It would be cool to see if someone could mod a voting machine to be secure from those exploits and as a result have their ideas implimented.
@octorokpie
@octorokpie 4 роки тому
@@Merahki3863 It would be cool to see if states would knock it off with this voting machine crap instead of trying to "fix" them.
@MrAnonyM00SE
@MrAnonyM00SE 4 роки тому
I feel a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of computer science majors suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
@Merahki3863
@Merahki3863 4 роки тому
@@octorokpie you can campaign for a different voting system and I can want to see E voting improved. No need to get tribal about it.
@RanEncounter
@RanEncounter 4 роки тому
"- Root access to a ballot marking machine achieved by connecting a USB keyboard and pressing the windows key." Wait what? So not even a single layer of protection...
@lukejackson1575
@lukejackson1575 3 роки тому
Jokes on you, I actually voted for Doom.
@socks2441
@socks2441 2 роки тому
i always vote for doom, either literally in the video game sense, or metaphorically in the demise of life as we know it sense.
@DomenBremecXCVI
@DomenBremecXCVI 2 роки тому
Before or after they formed a coalition with Gloom?
@guscox9651
@guscox9651 2 роки тому
vote for MF DOOM today! rip DOOM :(
@Damian_1989
@Damian_1989 2 роки тому
Which Doom? The rapper, the doctor or the slayer?
@brosekarlsen
@brosekarlsen 2 роки тому
I got like 666
@Stridsvagn69420
@Stridsvagn69420 Рік тому
6:57 I got a Volkswagen ad right before this video 💀
@st.armanini9521
@st.armanini9521 Рік тому
Two years later, in Arizona... ah nevermind.
@pm146
@pm146 4 роки тому
The people who understand computers the most, trust them the least (at least, as far as privacy, security, and financials go)
@BattousaiHBr
@BattousaiHBr 4 роки тому
The same is true the other way around too, computer experts are not experts on current voting systems so they are oblivious to it's o n Fair share of problems.
@marc1
@marc1 4 роки тому
@@BattousaiHBr Those aren't mutually exclusive areas of expertise.
@DavidWonn
@DavidWonn 3 роки тому
As an I.T. guy who has seen many things, I couldn’t have said it better myself.
@volundrfrey896
@volundrfrey896 3 роки тому
@@BattousaiHBr Some are, some aren't. Any person with a basic interest in the security of a voting system will see flaws in some systems that has been solved by others. And some that hasn't been solved, and some are up for debate whether they're problems at all. Regardless that interest does have some correlation with computer knowledge, particularly with the knowledge of IT-security.
@camarada1996
@camarada1996 3 роки тому
'The people who understand computers the most' are building their linux kernel from source and therefore trust their computer the most
@jhorn928
@jhorn928 4 роки тому
"You should still vote against it... while you still can..."
@rebelfriend1818
@rebelfriend1818 4 роки тому
Vote against electronic voting... or you'll regret it
@romainsavioz5466
@romainsavioz5466 4 роки тому
@@rebelfriend1818 vote online against online voting
@lyreparadox
@lyreparadox 4 роки тому
We've got electronic voting in my state. Plus lawsuits about the machines changing people's votes... So, there's that.
@chrisgriff901
@chrisgriff901 Рік тому
And it looks like the Tory leadership contest could go online. Methinks they didn't ask for the opinion of a cybersecurity expert.
@nolesy34
@nolesy34 Рік тому
Why not just gather people in a huge hall with a decibel meter and read out the nominees.. the nominee which records the loudest yes wins Your welcome
@hydrolifetech7911
@hydrolifetech7911 4 роки тому
We've had electronic voting in Kenya for a few election cycles now and we've seen the counting stream magically and inexplicably doing somersaults to give victory to the candidate backed by the state security
@yabombo8145
@yabombo8145 4 роки тому
That is very suspicious...
@hydrolifetech7911
@hydrolifetech7911 4 роки тому
@@yabombo8145 unfortunately we don't just suspect, we know it's been doctored. We even call the 'elected' representatives 'computer chicks' as in they've been hatched by computers 😂
@MrHat.
@MrHat. 4 роки тому
@@hydrolifetech7911very clever, I should keep this in mind if electronic voting becomes more used were I live.
@bartomiejkumor9375
@bartomiejkumor9375 4 роки тому
@@yabombo8145 "Suspicious" my ass, in most "democratic" nations of Africa it would be more surprising to find out the elections were fair than it'd be to find out they were faked.
@DLBBALL
@DLBBALL 4 роки тому
Guy Panzerboss I wouldn’t say Kenya and America are equally as democratic, so... (Not an American btw, just stating the obvious).
@robertojacobbalcells8994
@robertojacobbalcells8994 3 роки тому
The German Supreme Court declared the electronic voting system unconstitutional since it does not comply with the transparency required by law, that is, the voting procedure can be verified by citizens at all stages without the need to have or have expertise (2009)
@MarcioNSantos
@MarcioNSantos 3 роки тому
In theory it makes sense, but in practice it's impossible for a common citizen to verify all the process and a big number of votes.
@robertojacobbalcells8994
@robertojacobbalcells8994 3 роки тому
@@MarcioNSantos The German Supreme Court does not agree
@danielwanner281
@danielwanner281 3 роки тому
@@robertojacobbalcells8994 Not gonna lie but the German government or affiliated authorities should not be the ultimate end-all-be-all on matters of digitalization. Germany is terribly outdated in every technological regard.
@robertojacobbalcells8994
@robertojacobbalcells8994 3 роки тому
@@danielwanner281 What the court says has nothing to do with technology, it’s about citizen control and audit
@zoompt-lm5xw
@zoompt-lm5xw 3 роки тому
@@robertojacobbalcells8994 that's why they want the voting machines
@geovanesaraiva7235
@geovanesaraiva7235 Рік тому
The electronic voting system in Brazil is the safest so far, there are several stages of verification that start up to a year before the elections. Also, Brazil was the only country that managed to apply this style of vocation nationally. I recommend you research more about the electoral process in Brazil.
@GabrielFelix-zl4sq
@GabrielFelix-zl4sq Рік тому
Imagina contar voto do país todo no papelzinho
@GabrielFelix-zl4sq
@GabrielFelix-zl4sq Рік тому
@vitor h seria péssimo kkk
@brunomendes613
@brunomendes613 Рік тому
Imagina nas áreas de milícia como esses papéis seriam contados…
@retroker
@retroker Рік тому
É muito bom ver os gringos contando papel e gastando dias pra saber o resultado, contra horas que nós gastamos. Uma pena que o brasileiro não sabe votar e continua com o bolsonarismo firme e forte
@KornFcknOwns
@KornFcknOwns Рік тому
Tanto acesso à informação, e ainda assim a maioria dos infelizes repetem besteiras infundadas.. A Urna NÃO imprimiria o voto, de forma a que o eleitor levasse para casa. O tal do "Voto Impresso" é apenas o mecanismo de registro de cada voto, para comparação final com o que foi registrado digitalmente na urna eletrônica. Os demais países que utilizam a urna eletrônica, o fazem desta forma. Exceto pelo próprio Brasil, Botão e quiçá mais um país, salvo engano. Tanto inglês, para não conseguirem ler os comentários alheios, e enxergar a farsa nessa narrativa..
@mr_viss_
@mr_viss_ 6 місяців тому
Why did I read: "Why electronic vomiting is still a bad idea". What is wrong with me
@flashcat6665
@flashcat6665 4 роки тому
"I endorse Dashlane for two reasons. 1) They've given me money, obviously" I died hahahaah
@phil_cassidy
@phil_cassidy 4 роки тому
Are you still dead?
@rtdlaboratories
@rtdlaboratories 4 роки тому
Well good to know youtube is a thing in afterlife :D
@WaffleAbuser
@WaffleAbuser 4 роки тому
RIP
@electronresonator8882
@electronresonator8882 4 роки тому
despite dashlane relies heavily on cryptography, and there's already quantum computer
@queeny5613
@queeny5613 4 роки тому
1k vote
@billybobferguson3946
@billybobferguson3946 4 роки тому
this video has already aged like fine wine
@hopin8krzys
@hopin8krzys 4 роки тому
Why?
@Trinexx42
@Trinexx42 4 роки тому
@@hopin8krzys He's probably referencing the shitshow that was the Iowa caucus.
@billybobferguson3946
@billybobferguson3946 4 роки тому
@@Trinexx42 ye I was
@thenumberfour6455
@thenumberfour6455 4 роки тому
The Iowa caucus is a nice piece of imperial evidence to reinforce Tom's claim
@billybobferguson3946
@billybobferguson3946 4 роки тому
@Orlando Rotundo what?! why, what makes you think a company for collecting caucus data funded by Assigieg would be untrustworthy in the slightest!
@victorqueiroz6735
@victorqueiroz6735 Рік тому
come to brazil, to talk about our experience with eletronic votes and how the government deals with the election
@SaccoBelmonte
@SaccoBelmonte 8 місяців тому
As Venezuelan I confirm.
@ContagiousRepublic
@ContagiousRepublic 3 роки тому
This topic REALLY should come up every 4 years.
@gohanssj48
@gohanssj48 3 роки тому
In reality, every 2 years. US and Brazil are big democracies of the world and use Electronic polls in their elections.
@frecio231
@frecio231 3 роки тому
6 where I live ;)
@ograndecanalha
@ograndecanalha 3 роки тому
@@gohanssj48 was gonna comment about it being 2 years but you came faster opora
@balinthorvath7468
@balinthorvath7468 3 роки тому
If it comes up every year everyone should be happy right?
@archiemac5137
@archiemac5137 3 роки тому
Yes, because America is the only country in the world with election cycles
@prashanthraghavendran2628
@prashanthraghavendran2628 4 роки тому
Hackers: *play doom on electronic voting machines* Todd Howard: Write that down! Write that down!
@Millenia3D
@Millenia3D 4 роки тому
It just works!
@miketacos9034
@miketacos9034 4 роки тому
Better launch than fo76
@AndroidNoir-L06k
@AndroidNoir-L06k 4 роки тому
Hodd toward mad lad
@TibiaOTarena
@TibiaOTarena 4 роки тому
Yes, I will by my skyrim that only works on a voting machine.
@eyeballpapercut4400
@eyeballpapercut4400 4 роки тому
yo I'm 666th liker
@KOU-ZAI
@KOU-ZAI Рік тому
And then I see this vid in my recommendations, right after watching the news on AZ having voting machine issues.
@Norday
@Norday Рік тому
Noooo bro, the supreme "democracy" court of brazil said its 100% trustable
@anarcoendermanismo868
@anarcoendermanismo868 Рік тому
cara, o video soh falou de coisa q n se aplica ao brasil. eu sei q tu quer dizer q foi falsificado quando teu papai bolsonaro perder, mas presta atenção no video antes de comentar
@MinePlayersPE
@MinePlayersPE 3 роки тому
7:40 "To break an -electronic- election, you don't _actually_ need to break it: *you just need to cast enough doubt on the result."*
@fetchstixRHD
@fetchstixRHD 3 роки тому
Hmmm...
@AlwaysAC
@AlwaysAC 3 роки тому
Well here we are
@tchevrier
@tchevrier 4 роки тому
I'm endorsing Dashline for 2 reasons. 1. They've given me money. LMAO. Now that's honesty
@hassansci2436
@hassansci2436 Місяць тому
Just do it the very old fashioned way like we do in a handful of swiss counties. Build a little wooden stadium, get everyone to sit there and vote by show of hand. One guy in the middle determins whether it looks like a "yes" or a "no".
@futurehofer1564
@futurehofer1564 Рік тому
This just means that the machine/software you have in the us wasnt good enough.
@VovoDoMetal
@VovoDoMetal 2 роки тому
Tom: Electronic voting is a bad Idea Brazilians: hold my urna eletrônica
@eduardofsilva
@eduardofsilva 2 роки тому
meio difícil segurar ela, ainda mais se forem os modelos mais antigos que pesam 20 Kg, a atual pesa 9Kg mas ainda é meio pesada
@GustavoCesario.
@GustavoCesario. 2 роки тому
@@eduardofsilva uahehuaehuahe pqp
@eduardofsilva
@eduardofsilva 2 роки тому
@@GustavoCesario. Mas é vdd, tenta pegar um bloco de concreto de 9 quilos e ve se tu fica de boas umas 2 horas segurando ele.
@ricardokenji1
@ricardokenji1 2 роки тому
Brazil is full of bad ideas :(
@eduardofsilva
@eduardofsilva 2 роки тому
@@ricardokenji1 prove that the Electronic voting machine it's a bad idea
@kamil118
@kamil118 4 роки тому
"If you want to see how that works... watch previous sponsored segments" I think I've just been convinced to go and seek advertisement in my own volition
@gcwarkenyout
@gcwarkenyout Рік тому
It's funny how this video gives you several reasons not to trust the video sponsor.
@SuperSight
@SuperSight Рік тому
2:05pm NZDT 10 October 2022 I fully agree with this. In New Zealand in our council/mayor elections which happened 2 days ago, only about 40% of voter turnout, which is typical in New Zealand for those elections. So talk about doing the elections online to increase voter turnout. As soon as I heard that, I thought back to this video which I’d seen 1-2 years ago. I still agree with this video.
@Snommelp
@Snommelp 4 роки тому
This is reminds me of the nugget about how seemingly everyone involved in cybersecurity refuses to have "smart house" technology. When you know about the vulnerabilities, you prefer physical security features.
@jan.tichavsky
@jan.tichavsky 4 роки тому
I'm not afraid of vulnerabilities. If I know what I am installing, what is running, if it's up to date and I can update it myself from trusted source then I have nothing against it. I do have problem with smart gadgets I have no control over which send data to private company on private server (cloud), can record voice or picture (no thanks, I will not share these with anyone even if I'm not talking about any secrets) and on which I can't change or update the firmware. Of course it's a choice between convenience and security. I can setup smart home with full control and privacy but it will take time and I will have to actively manage it, including running my own server, be it at home or somewhere on VPS. For me that's not worth the effort and I will rather keep my home stupid, there is not that much to control anyway.
@satibel
@satibel 4 роки тому
@@jan.tichavsky I have a few smart home features, but they are on their separate network with no internet access.
@GRBtutorials
@GRBtutorials 4 роки тому
Well, that’s just because you can’t trust most manufacturers. If I make it myself, well, I trust myself, and if it’s open source, at least I and security professionals can inspect it for vulnerabilities, and even if the company goes out of business, you can still use it.
@pflernak
@pflernak 4 роки тому
"ALEXA, How much of my conversations do you record and send to Amazon?"
@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932
@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 4 роки тому
The S in "I.O.T." stands for "Security".
@GeorgeKlinger
@GeorgeKlinger 4 роки тому
Watching the scan line sweep across that cathode ray tube is mesmerizing
@haydencantthink
@haydencantthink 4 роки тому
i like big word
@yeeturmcbeetur8197
@yeeturmcbeetur8197 4 роки тому
I missed most of this video because I was too busy watching it as well.
@thefrub
@thefrub 4 роки тому
I remember playing with those with a camera and my old CRT monitor. If you move around juuust right, you could make the scan lines disappear. Then you make your epic halo headshot montage
@haydencantthink
@haydencantthink 4 роки тому
@@thefrub My dad works at microsoft and i get u bannned because i don't like you.
@StopChangingUsernamesYouTube
@StopChangingUsernamesYouTube 4 роки тому
That intermodulation really is lovely.
@MrCadet08
@MrCadet08 Рік тому
"People from both sides have to be in the same room where votes are being counted" huh. Multiple US states refused to allow people from both sides in the same building in 2020.....weird
@owenthomas5103
@owenthomas5103 Рік тому
I don't know any who refused having someone from any side observe. I've seen lots of cases where they refused having angry rants members of mobs disrupt the process.
@owenthomas5103
@owenthomas5103 Рік тому
@@TsarFrancisDrake when and where did this happen? What news sauced do show it?
@CV_CA
@CV_CA 5 місяців тому
In my county one time was electronic voting around 2010. Next time was paper again.
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