Snapdragon X Elite vs M3 vs Intel - R.I.P. x86 Laptops!
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@MaxTechOfficial Місяць тому
THIS is the ARM Laptop you should buy right now ($50 OFF) ➡ geni.us/qk6qhg
@pritamshuvro8767 Місяць тому
Sir please give me a M3 MacBook air 15 😊
@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw Місяць тому
Qualcomm is entering the pc market, not at the best time. (Ignoring previous releases). If they entered PC market in 2019 or 2020, it would have been a different story. Now for Apple there is M series chips and intel has already come out of their 10nm debacle. The core ultra series seems quite impressive and the next core ultra (lunar lake and arrow Lake) are around the corner. There is very little that we can gain by going to Qualcomm now. Secondly, for Qualcomm, it's going to be a real struggle now with application compatibility. Nobody buys a laptop for the benchmark scores.
@DukenukemX Місяць тому
Would make an expensive door stop.
@songoku9094 Місяць тому
@@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw seriously dude ? current core ultra doesn't pose any threat to this new Qualcomm cpu. The only advantage Intel has is the support of applications and games their product has on windows
@froxkun Місяць тому
Maybe if they release it in an Android Tablet like ipad m2 🤔
@jamiermathlin Місяць тому
I am an Apple guy, for good reasons, however having an ARM windows chip is great news, as Max says it will keep Apple focused. We all remember 10 years of no progress from Intel because they dominated the market, completion is good for us all !
@Noname12........641 Місяць тому
how can u live without customisation and the fact that you dont own the hardware u use
@richertz Місяць тому
@@Noname12........641if machines can be decently setup and specced right there should be no need for customisation. However I think as arm chips continue to develop you’ll get more options in the future if demand is high enough.
@Noname12........641 Місяць тому
@@richertzyep thats what expected from the apple users no need for customisation seriously
@richertz Місяць тому
@@Noname12........641I’m a windows user 😅 I just use my time better
@jamiermathlin Місяць тому
@@Noname12........641 that sounds like someone who has not lived and worked with apple ! I have both Windows and Apple machines, right tool for the right job, games and graphics based software, windows everytime, creation, productivity, video editing, photos and work, Apple, no crashing, everything just works. The video editing is in another league 🙂
@KarthikMumadi Місяць тому
Linux will take this chips to another level
@user-ml3tk6yt3m Місяць тому
why ?
@clemenslangenberger4791 Місяць тому
Only if there's proper support by Qualcomm. So far Linux on ARM seems to be mostly happening on single board computers.
@ourmarkas Місяць тому
@@user-ml3tk6yt3m linux is faster than windows, faster read & write
@7thgenz Місяць тому
@@clemenslangenberger4791Linux happened on M1
@Sheerwinter Місяць тому
@@ourmarkasyup linux is good for development, and open-source environment. :) we can optimise this chip on linux for apps. This is a good chip which helps us linux users to move to laptop environment.
@fumblerooskie Місяць тому
This is a very good thing. Apple needs direct competition to keep it from turning into Adobe.
@magicstarfish 17 днів тому
I think the benchmarks should compare with similar TDP processors.
@rg975 Місяць тому
I doubt it will be any more powerful than the m3’s, but the fact that windows users finally get access to good arm chips is good to see. Competition is what we need in desktop/laptop arm CPUs, it will push Apple to make them even better, massive consumer W
@robertbolzicco9995 Місяць тому
A decent answer that's not fanboy apple or windows. Competition is good, I agree. I want to see more arm windows laptops. Everyone knew x86 was aging like milk but so many things depend on it working flawless it was hard to change. Apple could make the switch be ause they didn't power anything but apps on the laptop and word.... Easy to change the game when you're basically not in it as a real player. I mean they had marketshare but it wasn't for business or productivity. They made the switch easily and it worked. Let's hope intel/amd/Qualcomm do the same and jump on the arm movement.
@Noname12........641 Місяць тому
they dont need to be better they just need to be more affordable people will choose windows over mac any day
@robertbolzicco9995 Місяць тому
@@Noname12........641 mac is or was a status symbol. You have people on social.assictance.bying mac to be cool but can't buy food. They buy it just to look at facebook and snapchat and google docs. It's sad.
@divyanshbhutra5071 Місяць тому
Windows is still trashbag of an OS. Even Qualcomm used Linux scores for their presentations.
@EverRusting Місяць тому
I honestly don't care about these laptops but I want these chips to be in handheld gaming devices like Legion Go
@itsacookie1 Місяць тому
I hope Microsoft takes ARM builds seriously and the rest of the industry follows. After using a Apple M chip laptop its near impossible to go back to x86 laptops that run hot, loud and have terrible battery life.
@rolih6 20 днів тому
Tell me one windows producr that they were trend setters and industry followed them? The only good thing from microsoft is their ms office since everyone is locked in in word and excel and compatibility with SAP.. if they would not have it everyone would be on mac.. and we will see how this will evolve once everything goes on cloud.
@Gin2341 16 днів тому
@@rolih6 DirectX for gaming, till this day you can't still play triple A games on a Macbook
@ahqsoftwares 6 днів тому
It is indeed taking arm seriously now
@xaiphersk5687 5 днів тому
@@Gin2341Bro, mac can run baldur's gate 3.
@Gin2341 5 днів тому
@@ahqsoftwares you mean it runs like shit even at low settings with fsr performance mode
@VitiateTheImmortal Місяць тому
Snapdragon got a bright future
@inamulbhuyan Місяць тому
Yes Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤
@caucasia_lucas Місяць тому
Only if software follows
@Ilost11 Місяць тому
Apple has a much better eco-system to rope in developers. If there isn't a protocol in hardware/software to get good x86 performance on non native ARM apps it will be junk. All of which Apple had at launch. Microsoft launched the original surface on ARM more than a decade ago and even had ARM variants of windows. Yet despite more than a decade of developing on ARM and having first adopters advantage they're still far behind the curve in software. I trust Qualcomm a lot more with hardware than I trust windows to get their software optimized for ARM near term.
@Noname12........641 Місяць тому
nvidia is also coming to the arm
@oKokimaru Місяць тому
brighter than my future
@binhtranquoc8777 Місяць тому
If snapdragon CPU could use Graphic card from nvidia or AMD then Apple will be in trouble !
@ataytaygaraev4298 Місяць тому
I prefer longer battery life over graphic performance. Hope they will come with MUX switch
@esbanfx5876 Місяць тому
If possible
@GesuCrypto Місяць тому
@@ataytaygaraev4298 for gaming it will need good GPU
@evancycles Місяць тому
That assumes, Apple and others are going to stand still. I agree better Arm chips are coming to Windows, and will alter the landscape. However, I am mindful of these UKposts videos sensationalizing everything for views.
@e5211 Місяць тому
@@ataytaygaraev4298 graphics can stay idle until required, so battery isn't really an issue. only thing would be weight.
@alsimplicio Місяць тому
Ok…in a “Lab environment” the chips look great….what about “real life use”? That we will have to wait…
@fidelisitor8953 Місяць тому
Lab environment?! I bet you'd do great in a circus. Lab tests many at times don't show the true performance of chips. Some optimizations here and there with some driver updates can make the X Elite perform even better than in this “lab environment”.
@regicoco904 Місяць тому
@@fidelisitor8953 Lab tests don't show true performance. It's always optimistic performance
@mwat22 29 днів тому
Windows pcs don't care about aesthetics so heat sinks will be adequate that's for sure
@pranavsharma7479 16 днів тому
Lab environment thats a proper pc that is being used
@ahaimes6320 Місяць тому
I did not see performance per watt or efficiency. The lack of data suggests something may be less exciting . Of course, by having 12 performance cores, 50% more than the M3 chip it would be a shocker if the multicore score was not better! I do not think Apple is worried about this. Maybe Intel, but they have been worried for years due to their poor record of upgrades over the last 5-7 years. Then we have to understand these tests are done in perfect condition on reference devices with fans and large casing probably with max RAM and the fastest SSD. When we test with Macs with the same configs when in a retail unit running on Windows in real world tests maybe with non-ARM software, then the reality may not be as rosy.
@shitvideoquality4856 Місяць тому
Exactly, that’s what I’m most curious about. In the cinebench multi core test what matter the most in this situations is not how many score you can get out of it, because anyone can just clock up or put more cores in. Rather it’s more about performance per watt
@jeanbaptistelabelle Місяць тому
That is why the real comparison will be against Intel 14th gen. Last year, a Surface Pro 9 in ARM flavor was like less than half the performance of the Intel version. If this year, the ARM version is at the level of the new Intel chip (quite more powerful that last year), this is a giant LEAP and if the ARM chip has a significant advantage in term of consumption, we may be for an "M chip moment" on Windows side. Very interesting. And yes, I do think both Intel and Apple are worried. Apple gained suddenly market share because of the M chip. If Windows machines can offer the same level of autonomy (performance was never an issue but rather performance per watts and therefore cooling/form factor...) than Mac, then, Mac sales will become again a tough sell for most.
@kushunadkat9087 Місяць тому
It is truly remarkable that but a diminutive fraction of the populace comprehends this verity.
@blinblinthing Місяць тому
It was Elite 950 @ 23 WATTS (41.3 PPW) vs M3 1010 @ 25 WATTS (40.4 PPW) in Cinebench. I doubt it going to substantially higher wattage variations in the other tests. If Apple doesn't to worry, then they shouldn't
@blinblinthing Місяць тому
@@shitvideoquality4856 Qualcomm had the better Performance Per Watt in the Cinebench test.
@GamesCell Місяць тому
Hackintosh community days after release: let’s make the ARM version of Mac work on ARM Windows computers!
@Jackson33oroToro Місяць тому
Wow, I would love to see that. Thanks for the content!
@mistakek Місяць тому
Hopefully they eventually come out with desktop CPU's. That's where things will get exciting.
@hologramwall Місяць тому
Wow! Came out right on time.
@RirtyDascal Місяць тому
7:31 or egpu's! That would be wonderful. It's the only thing I feel Apple silicon is missing out on.
@TDCIYB77 Місяць тому
Even more important than performance: Will MSFT make such a well designed compatibility layer like Apple made?
@crestofhonor2349 Місяць тому
The compatibility layer isn't that bad and works. The issue stems from the earlier chips which were all smartphone chips, which are far weaker than laptop chips
@kararzanboor800 Місяць тому
there are one right now, it's not the best, but it's good to a degree for now
@andrewufc71 Місяць тому
excellent. thanks for my daily fix
@TommyAzzino-yt1iz Місяць тому
Is there a specific benchmark focused on energy-efficient operations? (Not sure but I might have missed this in the comparisons) I would be nice to see the differences with x86 and Apple ARM in this context.
@antalpoti Місяць тому
Pcmark 10 I think.
@brachiator1 Місяць тому
It will be interesting to see what happens when these chips are actually available in products.
@richi2870 Місяць тому
Will come soon, in Summer:)
@michaelkovalsky4907 Місяць тому
I think a bigger question would be apps: Mac is sufficiently popular, especially amongst power users, to where it can force companies to make an ARM native solution. Uncertain if Windows has that leverage as it is a question of how many will buy computers with the X Elite, and is it worth their time. I assume if it compiles for the M line of chips it doesn't necessarily mean it will just be a plug and play for X Elite.
@hieverybody4246 5 днів тому
Windows is far more popular on the desktop than Mac, and with Microsoft backing ARM, we've already seen all the big software packages provide ARM versions. I believe all the game devs are going to be providing ARM versions soon, particularly indies like me. Most internally developed business apps in the last decade are .Net or Java based, which are processor agnostic, so those aren't much of an issue. The biiig lagger here is going to be companies who make security and management software to sell to other business, and big corporations, who move super slowly. But consumers are not going to be a problem IMO.
@simoneh4732 Місяць тому
At the moment I think Snapdragon is going after Intel/AMD laptop market more than Apple.
@N3tigen Місяць тому
Do we also see more Arm processor In mini pc or Qualcomm also have more plans in Arm based computer.😮
@inamulbhuyan Місяць тому
Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤
@hieverybody4246 5 днів тому
If you mean desktop, that's not so important since on the desktop, Intel x86 are still the fastest and cheapest processors. But I'm sure Qualcomm will be making an ARM chip for desktop eventually, for those super concerned about heat.
@lairdinho Місяць тому
Problem is, M3 has been out in products you can buy for a while and we're still waiting for the very first laptop, tablet, anything with the Qualcomm chip. It looks like a decent chip but there's plenty of work to do. They'll need to execute flawlessly to ensure it's relevant on the market. Ultimately this first chip will lose money, you'd think. They'll need to iterate it quickly and maybe the second or third gen chip will be a big success. I wish them well, the added competition is very welcome.
@blinblinthing Місяць тому
The Intel products were out before M1 came out also. End of the day, more competition, better for us consumers.
@lairdinho Місяць тому
@@blinblinthing No Intel Meteor Lake only came out at the end of last years, years after M1 launched.
@blinblinthing Місяць тому
@@lairdinho I didn't mention meteor lake, I'm just saying Intel products were out before M1, meaning, just thinking you shouldn't worry because brand x is out first isn't an accurate statement.
@robertbolzicco9995 Місяць тому
They will need windows support and app support to make it happen. Even if it's better and faster if the programs are not there it's not gonna help.
@lairdinho Місяць тому
@@robertbolzicco9995 Some good emulation would help. Apple silicon Macs run old x86 code surprisingly well.
@einstien2409 Місяць тому
Imagine an RTX 4070 with these Xelite cpus. In a laptop.
@SuperPudley Місяць тому
Is there any information about these chips for desktops?
@hieverybody4246 5 днів тому
They aren't for desktops, yet. x86 desktops kill these things in performance because they can do much better cooling.
@ianhys Місяць тому
Wish to see some retail products at Computex this year.
@krishnansrinivasan830 Місяць тому
We got to learn about the performance of X Elite with Battery & about the long run on intensive tasks :) I really liked it's performance with Davinci Resolve :) Awesome & Thanks :)
@sheahestrada2868 Місяць тому
I’m excited for ARM chips to make their way to handheld gaming PCs someday and what kind of performance and battery life we might be able to get out of them.
@Techonsapevole 14 днів тому
Thanks for the Speedometer benchmark, can you run the tests also on Linux?
@Proudarse 19 днів тому
What about all the Windows apps? How will they work on ARM? Will Microsoft introduce something similar to Rosetta for on the fly conversion from x86 to ARM, or will the ARM version of Windows only support ARM based apps? Thanks
@ukyoize 18 днів тому
Well, I doubt there is ARM windows port of Witcher 3
@hieverybody4246 5 днів тому
All the big name Windows software is already ported to ARM, except games. But gamers also largely use desktop CPUs, which have great cooling and don't really need ARM chips because they're still the fastest chips available, with big, beefy GPUs.
@lsbargaoanu Місяць тому
Interesting and useful video!
@aakashgudivada 18 днів тому
"As long as there is a competetion there is a quality"
@tedboggs4569 Місяць тому
I can't wait to get this kind of power at low wattage in mini PCs too.
@anandlakkaraju6825 Місяць тому
Were the Snapdragons plugged in when the benchmarks ran ?
@Mooooov0815 Місяць тому
They probably where. However, 23W power draw for the entire system is absolutely no issue to be consistently delivered from battery
@jamestillman5247 20 днів тому
My only concern is compatibility with current windows x86 programs. I wish that was covered more along with any pitfalls.
@eltamarindo Місяць тому
It looks like they also flew Alex Ziskind to this junket. I'm looking forward to his testing when Qualcomm finally releases these for real world testing.
@alexhighman452 Місяць тому
It’s nice to see that competition is finally coming to the SOC RISC market
@juanlondono2841 Місяць тому
thanks for info, great news
@peeyushsharma8408 Місяць тому
Haha love how Snapdragon laptop looks almost like a MacBook (those stickers though!)
@blinblinthing Місяць тому
You can argue that just about any laptop looks like another laptop you've seen before
@inamulbhuyan Місяць тому
Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤
@crestofhonor2349 Місяць тому
Put it in a Razer laptop and it will look even more like a MacBook
@robertbolzicco9995 Місяць тому
I love how apple laptops are used to brows the internet and people just eat them up for word and Facebook.
@ranjitmandal1612 Місяць тому
😂🤣
@esbanfx5876 Місяць тому
Snapdragon X Elite at 80W demonstrating how inefficient it is 5:15
@jeanbaptistelabelle Місяць тому
That is for the complete system, not the chip.
@blinblinthing Місяць тому
It was Elite 950 @ 23 WATTS vs M3 1010 @ 25 WATTS (Which isn't inefficient) Them showing a High performance (My Guess) mode beating Apple is more to show, if you wanted more performance, you can get it.
@chrism869 Місяць тому
That's not the chip ,that's the whole laptop
@inamulbhuyan Місяць тому
23 wat also
@esbanfx5876 Місяць тому
By dividing the performance by W, the Snapdragon X Elite obtains 2.3% more performance per consumption compared to the M3, that is good I guess But as you use more W, the performance per W begins to decrease.
@burtdanams4426 Місяць тому
I like the Vibe of this video way more than normal. It's a lot more relaxed, natural, and casual
@TheCentristChad Місяць тому
Nice. More competition is always better
@MapleEmpire Місяць тому
M3 Max comparison is needed, it's not fair to compare elite and ultra chips to base M3
@jeanbaptistelabelle Місяць тому
M chip is not available for Windows so the real interest is the comparison in term of power and consumption between an Intel 14th gen and the ARM version. That is what consumer wants to know. In term of comparing with Apple, first, Apple has no hybrid like a Surface. And speaking only of laptop then, the question will be to see what offers a 1700$ Samsung Galaxy Book Edge 4 with this Snapdragon compared to a 512go, 16Go of RAM 1700$ 14" Apple Mac. What chip do you have in a Mac Pro for this price? M3 Ultra?
@JohnSmith-pn2vl Місяць тому
ofc Apple has no ""hybrid" because that's just stupid beyond imagination, and it shows when you try it out. the real Problem is the windows and PC ecosystem which will die imo. running apps in arm will nowhere near rosetta i guarantee you that. and this is the elephant in the room. i see no future for windows, intel, nvidia or AMD, they are all dead long term.@@jeanbaptistelabelle
@TamasKiss-yk4st Місяць тому
@jeanbaptistelabelle Mac Pro have at least M3 Pro chip.. not the basic M3, and wih 50% more cores even the M3 Pro will perform better like the regular M3.. (and with M2 vs M2 Pro the diff is even higher), and remember in their announcement event they just hided the comparison against the M2 Max.. and actually now the M2 Max has about the same price tag like the M3 Pro..
@richi2870 Місяць тому
Sure, you want compare a 6000€ M3 Max vs an Snapdragon X Elite looool Whats wrong with you?!
@peterbreis5407 Місяць тому
@@richi2870 So how much is the Snapdragon X Elite?
@scottmtaylor1 Місяць тому
Why compare most benchmarks with M2, not M3? Also which M2 / M3 version?
@wardwillems2891 Місяць тому
It looks promising as a development but is the integration of hardware and software comparable with able? And if not, when do they expect to reach that level. Because then it would be an interesting alternative foor me.
@mutovkin Місяць тому
Would love to know if Qualcomm is working having first class Linux support as Intel does. Without full linux driver support while impressive this is irrelevant for software developers, however, if there is support I would think we would have for the first time in 4 years competition to Mac for developers.
@RustedCroaker 6 днів тому
And knowing the Qualcomm history in this regard, I wouldn't hold my breath
@btw9241 Місяць тому
All hail Apple for taking ARM to where it should be. However, the heating issue persists.
@-MrEVIL- Місяць тому
Thats an apple issue Windows on arm won't have that
@xritics19 Місяць тому
Let the Linux kernel fix this issue in the futur for linux users ;) However, Snapdragon makes ARM cpu's everyday since long long time...Snapdragon knows ARM better than Apple. Just a thing...I don't know why Snapdragon didn't come to the PC market sooner and destroy the X86. They've been capable of it for a long time, I think.
@rigen97 Місяць тому
@@xritics19 Snapdragon (and Mediatek for that matter) do have products in laptop market...as Chromebooks. The problem is that if you want to release products to PC market you need big-name OS behind you, and for the longest time Windows on ARM was quite a joke, and people only use ChromeOS (much less ARM version of ChromeOS) when they _have_ to. Apple, on the other hand, have users that would buy it even if they switched their architecture from the ground up, as proven by the PowerPC to x86 switch way back when.
@behappybevegan Місяць тому
And the price will be?
@oladrolahola Місяць тому
For those curious about X elite systems, if I recall correctly, Qualcomm planned to release some systems in partnership with other brands by the end of this month... or may
@JaredDoyle76 Місяць тому
Looking forward to Android tablets with the newer Qualcomm SoCs.
@extra4542 17 днів тому
My biggest excitement for this is that this would be perfect for a handheld gaming PC if windows becomes more optimized for that form factor. oh man, a powerful ARM handheld that can run windows games would be the dream with performance and power efficiency for longer battery life
@4mb127 Місяць тому
Would be really interesting to see LLM inference perf vs Apple laptops.
@skyflyer4231 29 днів тому
What type/speed of RAM were they using in the laptops?
@martingifford5415 Місяць тому
It all comes down to compatibility. Will all the software developers rewrite their apps for Qualcomm's chip? Will MS Office be hobbled like it is on Apple Silicon?
@hieverybody4246 5 днів тому
Office is already ported. IT's not hobbled, unless some extension you use isn't ported. Most existing "big name" Windows software is already ported.
@kkk46you Місяць тому
No sneakpeek at all for battery life? I just wish it had the same battery endurance as mac M chip
@matthewpackard2060 Місяць тому
I'm one of those people mentioned that switched to Apple for my laptop when the M1 MacBook Air came out, and I'm glad I did. I hope the new Windows ARM laptops make me want to switch back. Competition is great for the consumer!
@mistake0101 28 днів тому
But how hot does it get? Battery life in windows?
@BeaglefreilaufKalkar Місяць тому
I think its great that there is more competition and kicking ass. Apple stil has one advantage, the optimisation of HW and SW, where the Snapdragon for now will have to do with whatever MS brings to the party.
@jakejoyride Місяць тому
MS is most valuable company in the world. They have unlimited resources to do this
@BeaglefreilaufKalkar Місяць тому
@@jakejoyride MS is not the valuable company, but they do have a lot of resources. The question is if they want to allocate these to that.
@tenidas7064 Місяць тому
hear me out, a new ARM based surface go can be the perfect ipad air alternative if the chips are really as good as these tests prove, and I have high hopes that they are.
@livedreamsg Місяць тому
Would be very interested in a desktop, higher end version of this like Apple does with their Ultra versions. I'd still wait for a laptop that had comparable build quality to MacBook Pros before I considered it. I'll be keeping my M3 Max for a few years.
@vorkot1 Місяць тому
Even if it isn't as strong as the M3, I just hope it is generally more affordable. If we can get around M1 or M2-performance for a much better bang-for-buck, then I will be buying that laptop in a heartbeat.
@minciNashu Місяць тому
But how many cores are they benchmarking ? How many cores does the M3 have, or the Snapdragon ? Are they comparing similar levels of SKUs ?
@mukukakondowe5939 Місяць тому
This is the reason why the M1 laptop is selling for 700 dollars at best buy and Walmart. Great job Qualcomm hope you continue making such great chips going forward.
@p0r5ch3911 17 днів тому
I have a Desktop that will stay my main Workstation and Gaming Computer. But if had an Arm Work Laptop that had all my Programs with Apple Battery and Performance, that would be a dream.
@EnochGitongaKimathi Місяць тому
The Apple M3 is using TSMC 3nm while Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite is using TSMC 4nm which is really advanced 5nm. The performance improvement from M2 to M3 from Apple is not good, I was expecting more with the move from 4nm to 3nm. Microsoft Project Volterra was exactly what Windows on ARM developers needed. The Snapdragon offers way more performance than previous attempts so tings will only get better. It is exciting to have all these choices now. X Elite is Gen 1
@rickquick8977 Місяць тому
What laptop was the X Elite put in?
@yogibarista2818 Місяць тому
VS compilation comparison will depend on what the target is.
@ArtificialIntelligencePrepper 18 днів тому
Maybe an external hard drive concept with upgradeable AI that can interface with ones/any ones computer, could prove much cheaper and easier to carry.
@csyih Місяць тому
Was hoping it will at least match my M2 Pro in 3D rendering tasks. Hope they can further optimize the chip along the road.
@jakejoyride Місяць тому
What you are talking about? It's faster than M2 pro
@rmzzz76 18 днів тому
This is very exciting news for Windows users. I have been running Windows 11 Pro ARM64 version on Parallels 19 on my Mac Book Pro, (M3 Pro) 16-GB of RAM and I get faster compile times than Intel i7 desktop with 32-GB of RAM from two years ago... Win 11 ARM64 also runs a great number of games on Parallels utilizing Mac OS Metal, I imagine we'll see something similar with Qualcomm.
@Because-Linux 13 днів тому
Can't wait to get my hands on an x elite gen 2.
@joaopauloalbq Місяць тому
9:24 You have to use the same web browser, this comparison makes no sense.
@polataktas Місяць тому
I hope we won't get restricted to Qualcomm chips for desktop in the future.
@sweealamak628 Місяць тому
It's getting clear that Apple's M4 chip will see a larger Neural Engine to handle AI specific processes. That should be the main gains we'll get next year to benefit the increasing number of AI tools in apps.
@RaftechGaming89 Місяць тому
One thing to note on this M3 vs X Elite is that there are 8 cores in apple silicon where 4 is efficiency cores while the X Elite has 12 cores so i think its much fair to compare it to an M3 Pro chip
@AJ-jq3hm Місяць тому
I hope they make something in the form factor of an asus g14 or razer blade 14". Just a small form factor ARM based laptop with a dedicated gpu (perhaps an rtx 4050 or 4060), which you could carry around for day to day tasks without worrying about battery (thanks to ARM), and then sit down to game whenever you have access to an outlet.
@chrislyonm Місяць тому
Our GPUs currently will unfortunately always use a ton of battery power. I'm more interested in external GPUs for at home and cloud gaming getting better for when out and about.
@mediocreape Місяць тому
competition is great!
@klauszinser 17 днів тому
For the Snapdragon but also for upcoming Apple Silicon I am very interested in GPU Performance.
@ahmadafnan3756 Місяць тому
hope windows for ARM can perform well
@harveysmith4424 Місяць тому
Put that chip in a handheld!
@Evandrox22 19 днів тому
This processor together with a dedicated graphics card will be incredible
@danagoyette7932 Місяць тому
I hope they'll give us real OpenGL and Vulkan drivers, and not rely on a translation to DirectX 12. On my Surface Pro X, that translation layer completely mangles the colors. The GPU driver on the Surface Pro X driver also doesn't support WSL-G without a weird hack that you have to repeat each time there's a driver update.
@TDCIYB77 Місяць тому
AMDs new laptop chips also have 45 TOPs, as this is the new baseline required by MSFT for Windows 12. Also AMDs GPUs should blow both Intel and Qualcomm out of the water.
@fidelisitor8953 Місяць тому
But at how many watts? Qualcomm will sip power while the AMD will use significantly more power leading to much shorter battery life while unplugged.
@TDCIYB77 Місяць тому
@@fidelisitor8953 Both are 15W class with a cTPD. X86 is NOT in general less efficient than Arm, now that Arm too is being scaled from embedded and Phones up to laptops, desktop and server compute. The instruction set balloons and gets less efficient if you scale it to high performance compute no matter if Arm, X86 or any other even like RISC-V. Latest arch from AMD can scale from low power mobile up to 400W+ server. The real efficiency savings come from accelerators like NPUs, hardware codecs, vector instructions and GPU compute. And there, all players are now in 2024 much more comparable than even a few months ago.
@fidelisitor8953 Місяць тому
@@TDCIYB77 "X86 is NOT in general less efficient than Arm" - If that's so then how the hell does Apple's M3 max match AMD's R9 7945HX performance while using less than half the power draw? M3 max uses 50W to produce same performance as the 125W R9 7945HX so that clearly proves that ARM is significantly more efficient than x86.
@TDCIYB77 Місяць тому
@@fidelisitor8953 I am talking about the general instruction sets, and you pick 2 specific models, from 2 specific vendors, with 2 very specific implementation of their respective instruction sets. What "performance" do you mean? Normalized to what? As i said, real world performance of Apples (and most other vendors today) chips is NOT achieved through some mystical non existent advantage of Arm vs X86. But by custom ASICs for codecs, vector math/NPU/GPU compute. And this is exactly where the gap has closed in 2024. NOT by CPU compute on Arm cores. Not that hard to understand. On top, while Apples lead CPU designers have left to Nuvia and now Qualcomm, leaving Apples IPC improvements lackluster since M1, AMD has consistently delivered higher IPC increases, while also enabling 512 Vector and NPU compute. Arm only locked like a better ISA because Intels lack of innovation and AMD was no competition due to lack of cash until a few years ago. The only benefit Arm brings is a license that is a bit more open than X86, and thus enabling new players to compete. But with Moores Law being dead in a traditional sense, its accelerators and accelerators ONLY where performance innovation can still happen. The ISA is basically irrelevant outside of licensing. With enough R&D and software support one could make a competitive RISC-V laptop class chip in 5 years.
@neverhonors2688 Місяць тому
@@fidelisitor8953 isnt that also because apple m3 use smaller architecture?
@PhillipLearnTeach Місяць тому
This is a game changer, but it drains a lot of battery on the intels. I'm interested in the Mac M2-3, but it's expensive, and since we use Windows at work and there are more games available on Windows than Mac, I'm considering waiting for the Ultra 185 instead. It might be better for video encoding, so I'll wait to get that one for sure.
@Starshooter216 11 днів тому
There's always Mini It cases or another small form factor PC. Think about it - an 80 watt chip should work well.
@Spladoinkal Місяць тому
This is so good to hear! x86 cpu's are still great in full size desktop computers where heat isn't as much of an issue, some of those i9/R9 cpus are absolutely insane for performance. However, they just draw too much heat to work well on laptops. Apple showed that arm based cpu's seem to be a good solution. Glad to see them going over to Windows now.
@SuperRomanHoliday Місяць тому
Stick it in a steam deck please
@rabinh.forrer9497 Місяць тому
Thanks Max for all this information, as I understand that both AMD and Intel are working on the development of their first ARM RISC-based processors to be released perhaps at the end of this year or in 2025. I would also like it when you make your own comparisons of laptops with Apple, Qualcomm and Intel processors to also include AMD Ryzen 7000 or 8000 series with NPU included. Greetings and blessings.
@elliottsalt 24 дні тому
While arm chips are really cool, what I'm most excited about is handheld PCs (e.g steam deck) getting ARM processors. I'm a bit weird and willing to tolerate the crappier battery life laptops have to offer, but having killer battery life on handheld PCs would be great for gaming on flights without needing to charge or whatever
@mightyhuman5518 Місяць тому
Intel Lunar lake & Arrow lake is coming on late 2024 based TSMC N3B node
@FedDonovan День тому
No just the x86 but your beloved Mac
@arianamirgholami9555 Місяць тому
I really doubt this chip would work for discrete GPUs because their drivers are made for x86 and I don't think they can translate kernel stuff to ARM
@ahemenidov1900 22 дні тому
It already exists: see Ampere Altra CPU workstations.
@Krell666 Місяць тому
Could windows for arm eventually mean the return of Bootcamp for mac users?
@avriljil Місяць тому
With solid-state airjet, it will be very cool
@BradMacPro Місяць тому
While a Snapdragon X Elite may do some benchmarks well, it runs Windows 11 ARM but most applications and games and Intel coded so while Windows 11 ARM can run 64-bit Intel code, the majority of the software out there, how does that run? And put the chip in a real laptop, how is the throttling? You have to come back to the real world when you test this option.
@daysgone3950 Місяць тому
Graphics wise, they can just ship with an Ocu-link for discrete graphics to do the rest.
@IMAN7THRYLOS Місяць тому
The chip is a small part in computing. You also need OS support and application compatibility. Apple overall has managed to make it work with their M series CPUs, their OS and their Apps. Microsoft and Intel have set the standards that all the applications built in the last 30years follow. How would applications write for X86 run on Snapdragon?
@jeanbaptistelabelle Місяць тому
Like they do since more than 3 years.
@vitali2127 Місяць тому
My issue is I feel it will be like Apple no upgrades, whatever you get is what you will have till the end of life cycle
@magfal 28 днів тому
Is that NPU number total chip TOPS or NPU only? Would be a lot less fishy if they compared their product to the actual leader in X86 chips for the same market: the 8840U from AMD.
@volkerball3 22 дні тому
I really hope that when they start to mass produce it they will offer mini pc-s also like mac mini or even passive cooled mini pc-s not just laptops. Exciting future with ARM technology. I like apple's technology but I really don't like that the SSD is not replaceable manually.
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