How very true

She also verbally said she couldn't bare to see it but she was very calm and didn't actually seem uncomfortable with the obviously graphic photo she was being shown. If anything, she seemed angry to have to look at the woman she hated enough to murder

Narcissism at its finest…

Joanna loves her grandson so much, that she takes away the boy’s mother, AND, then leaves him in the car, ALONE. Now, that screams “Grandma-of-the-Year”! (And, Mother-of-the-Year, to boot) EVIL and SHAMEFUL beyond comprehension! She should be given the harshest sentence possible!

@@amberorm1273 ​​⁠ YES! she should. I think it should be NO CONTACT with her grandchild (or any grandchildren if she has more in the future)! And when I imply NO CONTACT I’m saying NO photos, letters, inquiring about them in any form. Tack that on AFTER her regular sentence is handed down. There ARE CONSEQUENCES for the ACTIONS you choose to CAUSE HARM!! And in this day and age time it is definitely forgotten about!! The INNOCENT ones ARE PAYING THAT GREAT PRICE, because those who CANNOT CONTROL THEIR-SELVES. ✌🏻

Someone was going to find the baby laying beside the dead body on the street

@@ojay8961 no shit

The trauma ugh 😢

sociopathic narcissists don't abide by our shame, they just use morals as a weapon against others that do care about it.

apparently, only the son was allowed to cheat. so many morals. DIL wasn’t supposed to have anyone else

In self defense

Oh, morals are on a spectrum like genders Pick any you like, they're all good

​@@vladdyydaddy Self defense isn't murder at all

He didn’t though. The way they did it was pretty messed up. Convinced him it was her then made him think he would be charged. He never said it looked just like her. He kept saying it could be in shock and horror. I don’t feel like using a vulnerable traumatic moment like that to say he said it was her definitely was fair at all. His mom was awful but he was clearly a victim too if he didn’t know. To make him feel guilty like he put her away just put him in a place where he can’t accept what she did. He’s too busy feeling guilty that it was such a weak case and what he said put her away for life. They could’ve found more forensic or other evidence instead. Let the guy accept it properly so he’s not in a guilt limbo & can move on.

Agreed.

Agreed! So damn sad.

The crazy mom absolutely seems like a self righteous bible thumping lunatic that would be able to justify murder because she thinks she's in the right

Good point. This hag, figured she had her bases covered. She gaslighted her son his entire life. Hopefully she's happy in prison and never gets out. RIP Heather

Excellent observation.

She was convicted on zero evidence. This should be a red flag to anyone who cares about the integrity of the judicial system.

@@danielhartin7680 not only did her son believe it but the wig hair and her truck. It's not much but also she's have more then enough motivation to do so. I definitely believe she did it but yeah they definitely didn't have enough on her and probably should have looked for gunpowder residue in the truck

@danielhartin7680 I mean there’s the multiple witnesses picking her out, her wig fiber found in her truck, her admitting to doing it to like the entire cell block, and when her own son identified his fake-mustachioed mother from the images leaving the scene?

@@fireman8995 I agree she most likely did it, but cases are decided on evidence presented, not emotions. At least that's the way it's supposed to be. This woman, whether she did it or not, has an excellent case for a retrial.

@@danielhartin7680 A jury of her peers said guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Pretty basic stuff.

what did you think would happen to the baby though? why would she take it and reveal her identity.

A good idea because it is a hard time.

Man, what a sorry state of affairs we live in that kids are used in this way. Its a societal failing when kids are used to punish partners.

Nah where I live there was an exchange at the police station and the dad murdered the mother with a shotgun some people just don’t care :/

People are capable of anything when they feel like they have nothing left to lose.

That is a brilliant idea!

They get stuck in a brain wire, where they're almost on auto pilot. She thought she was in the clear so she couldn't help but do her regular spiel of shit talking in front of everyone except her son. But cops usually look for how the relationship dynamics are in the families that are involved in these cases so for her to be blankly vindictive to Heather who was beloved by everyone, probs really struck the cops as odd. These ppl like Joanne are so weird/ creepy, least of all dangerous, they don't live in the same reality as the rest of us, mentally speaking. As far as I've known, there's no cure for these types of people, it's no shocker she raised Steven who ended up being a cheater, a narcissistic trait that would defs be passed down because she would teach Steven how view others and how to treat them, it's truly sick and needs more awareness brought to society. There's more people like this than people like to believe, maybe not lethally dangerous, but mentally so.

I think the original comment was a tad more succinct.

Right? I was born in 1957. As the years have gone by, I am astonished at how many people think it's no big deal to take vows and then break them. Disgusting.

And a killer herself!

​@@kristinebailey6554It's the norm these days and the divorce rate is like 70%.

Good video

And what about her own "morals", committing murder?

But my brother is going through a a divorce with my soon-to-be ex sister-in-law they've been together like 11 years married 10 and she has been absolutely non-stop manipulative lying under the core straight perjury just very vindictive and it's been a year since we've been able to see the kids she won't let my parents near the kids she won't let me near the kids she won't let my brother near the kids so I can absolutely see how people can murder somebody when it comes to things like this because it is absolutely devastating what somebody can do to you just because they're being vindictive My brother supported her through her different careers that she wanted to do he paid for everything she wanted to be a teacher she couldn't pass the test so she quit on that she wanted to be a medical student she couldn't pass the test on that so she went to be like a medical assistant she wanted to do stuff with like tarot cards and crystals and bought her thousands of dollars worth of these things he supported her through all of this and then she said she was going to Vegas to go see your brother but turns out she was actually going to see her secret boyfriend that she had met while working in a doctor's office she is now dating this doctor my brother is a veteran from the Iraq Pakistan Afghanistan wars and has PTSD around certain things and she would call him a p**** tell him he was a b**** that he couldn't handle things that he was weak and pathetic and on and on she was physically abusive emotionally abusive all of ityeah because it's a no-fault state Florida is my brother can't use anything that she did to begin the divorce against her in the court and the courts are extremely biased against fathers in the process of custody child support all of this things they even have a prenup from when she cheated on him when they were like 5 years into the marriage where he agreed to give her like $1,500 a month and like half of his retirement fund and she's like no I don't want that I want more and now she's trying to go after like 6,000 a month which is like all he makes plus she's trying to take the house that they have how about together in their marriage as well as 50% of his retirement and she wants full custody of the kids I we've been to court like four times and the judge won't even let my brother or his lawyer speak all they've done is listen to her side and it's been a year now

And they think they won't get caught! It *never* seems to occur to them they'll likely be caught and what those consequences will mean. I think she wanted the baby.

I mean, it makes sense. People are pretty serious about their children in comparison to most things.

I bet its huge.

@@marcuswilliams5255i think that people who actually care about their children would not destroy their lives by doing such a horrific act though

That’s what I thought. That’s how I knew he wasn’t involved.

I thought he came across as completely fake!

@@thehangingparsiple5692I did too.

As soon as he said that, I *KNEW* he wasn't involved.

​@@thehangingparsiple5692didn't seem fake to me jus someone in shock that his dumbass mom would do something like that

"...It wasn't just Stephen who'd go on to finger his own mother... probably coulda worded that better." 👀 🤣🤣🤣🤣

No offense, but sounds like something straight out of Dr Seuss 😅

You’re not very intelligent using stupid made up words. Hopefully you are in a video like this soon like heather

Sxsssr

A narcissist. She only cared about having CONTROL of those two boys.

A raging lunatic delusional narcissist does that to their child and grandchild, that's who. They only think of themselves and don't give a damn about anyone else and who they harm. She sure as hell didn't give a damn about her grandson, that's for sure and what he witnessed, just disgusting. Thankfully he was to young to remember it.

Just what I thought. I hope she sits and stews in her guilt that SHE has to live with. 😡🤬

Old saying is-She’s got a chip on her shoulder. And man she’s not a happy person 😮

She projects because she has no self awareness.

Right?!! And the son taking it back shows he’s got some issues

This lady is a narcissist. She will never feel guilty about it.

I’m pretty sure if my wife and I ever divorced my mother in law would happily kill me. She pretends to like me but she still hasn’t gotten over her daughter choosing me over her (in her crazy ass mind). It’s been 13 years and I have always treated my wife very well.

@@jessepittThat must be so difficult. I was lucky with all family members from all sides always getting along.

@@jeanneganrude8549 That is fortunate. My family is very nice and loves my wife but her family is very different. They are all drug addicted so they don’t think normally.

@@jeanneganrude8549 You have no idea! It’s a nightmare. You are very fortunate. She is actually separated from her husband right now and living with us🤦🏻

​@@jessepitt Poor guy, that's just awful

This really hit hard when I read it, and I just want to say that I am so, so sorry for both of your losses. I can't even imagine how horrible it would be to lose a child, let alone two, and the future grandbabies you would have had as well... I'm just so sorry, that is absolutely heartbreaking. Another commenter on here said that they looked it up and Carson is now living happily with his maternal grandparents, and I am so glad for that. Like you said, that little one will know who his momma really was, rather than having his head filled with drama and lies. It made me happy to read that so I wanted to share it with you too. ❤

Doubt it was for the kid, she prob just really hated that woman. enough to kill which might lead one to believe that there was some serious bad blood between them and it escalated to this. Heather for sure didn't deserve to be murdered but maybe she could've prevented her own death, who knows.

She viewed as property, nothing more. Someone like her isnt capable of loving another.

@@playboyfan001 What??? No absolutely not. There is nothing she could have done to prevent anything, NONE of that was her fault. You're just straight up victim blaming. That is gross.

@@Emma88178 nah I don’t think you understood what I said. - Killing your former daughter in law is not something that one plans out on a whim, not someone sane enough to go through the trouble of wearing a disguise and parking their getaway vehicle in a strategic location. - So there must’ve been some seriously hostile interactions between the perpetrator and the victim before all this. Let’s not kid ourselves here, relations between in laws are often times not the greatest. I think it’s fair to speculate that heather and the grandmother Said and or Did things to one another that ultimately led to one planning out a murder on the other. - The grandmother was a functioning member of society but unfortunately for heather she was capable of extreme violence against someone that clearly gave her a reason to flip that crazy switch and commit such a vile act. Did heather DESERVE this, absolutely NOT. But do I think she contributed to her death, yes. She clearly gave her mother in law a reason (or more than 1) to want her dead, even if it was for her own satisfaction, which I think for sure was part of her motive.

@@playboyfan001 What an absolutely ridiculous comment. Heather isn’t to blame for her murder. 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ You are still blaming the victim in your explanation. She didn’t give her MIL a reason, the MIL was an evil person. Period.

😢😢💔💔

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My thought exactly!

Perceptive. She probably always had hate in her heart for her..

The sketch photo looked like Stephen But it was his mom wearing a wig and mustache He definitely favors his mom Which means she was wanted to frame her own son for murdering Heather She's fuckin sick

Right !! I mean WHERE would she have "just stumbled" onto the receopt (think about that, I'm a mother in law & there's no reason for me to be searching my kids or their partner's wallets, cars, dresser drawers, pants pockets, purse or anything; to be finding HIS receipt from a jewelty purchase). I'm sure her son did not ignorantly just lay it in the open to be found..... so..... The normal thing to do would've been to give it to your son, not draw your daughter in law's atttention to it... So she was snooping & looking for something to help drive a wedge between them & break them up. Butshe didn't think what that would mean and that she only lot more contol of her grandson & her son too. Just an obsessed woman intent on having control over her grown son & grandson too & her daughter in law was in her way.....

She wanted to hurt Heather. She wanted to "twist the 🔪."

Why is everyone suddenly a narcissist? Some people are just mean, and that's all there is to it. So many armchair psychologists. 🙄

@@user-gj1me4mf5c like u

@@user-gj1me4mf5c To be honest it annoys me aswell how often people use the word “narcissist” when talking about people who commit a crime against others but I think in this case it’s accurate. If the definition of a narcissist includes “a preoccupation with oneself and one's own needs, often at the expense of others” then it fits her perfectly, I think she killed Heather because it meant she could have her grandson to herself. She put her own wishes above her sons and her grandsons and so her motive wasn’t just mean it was narcissistic, meaning the cap fits in this case.

@@user-gj1me4mf5cAs someone who did study and work in psychology, yes the overuse of certain terms on the internet has been frustrating. But one can be a narcissist and or have narcissistic tendencies or traits and not be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder. So I believe the comment applies here in this instance.

@@user-gj1me4mf5c m, nah, there're no "just mean" people, there's always a name to the issue, and as someone with NPD, this woan definitely was losing her power over that kid and his mom's, so she killed t get that control back, no love in that.

True but at least the kid still has one parent who clearly has his priorities right.

His IMMEDIATE thought, yeah. But it sounds like he flip-flopped by the time of the trial. For all we know, he's taking Carson to see his "innocent" Grandma in the pen right now.

Tbf it sucks but his mom is manipulative as hell, and he's lived with that all his life. Even big life changing events like this, it can be hard to separate entirely from someone like that. It fucks with your brain.

Same

​@@sweeneytodd011 Uh, no. His behavior was totally fake, and he kept flip flopping. I think he knew.

She's got the crazy eyes. I'm surprised this is her first time. Her being so adamant that she could get away with murder makes me wonder if she hasn't killed before

Yup just awful really people like that can’t be fixed ever

Yep. A woman who just happened to find a receipt for jewellery that her son bought on Valentine’s day and “helpfully” gave it to the daughter-in-law ..l who she would know full well didn’t get any.

Narcissistic

​@@eh1702 you noticed that too.

Tbh, I'm shocked she was convicted. Not a single shred of evidence and witnesses that, in court, wouldn't testify it was her. The suspect being 6 inches taller and 60 pounds heavier. Scary that they can just put you in jail for a "hunch"

Thanks for the update! ❤

That must kill Joanna. She did all that and now she'll never see her grandson again. Probably assumed she'd get away with it and knew her son would be too weak to raise the kid on his own so she'd step in and take over.

Oh, thank god!

I can’t believe he thinks his mom is innocent now. What a moron

EXACTLY my thoughts! Thank you for letting us know!

Why you gotta bring up the cheating tho

​@@HS-oh8xh because it's relevant ??

All selfish rationalization

@@HS-oh8xh Why are you defending cheating?

​@Flamsterette not defending the cheating, but SUPER odd to focus on that rather than the murder.

She also took the jewellery receipt to her to show her because she was trying to help her son out of the relationship by having Heather break up with him. She's a manipulator and her son just rides on her manipulating.

You can tell by hear "I'm smarter than you " attitude and posture, she thinks she's better than the cops.she had NO remourse or compassion

​@@madsdee7803she's probably controlled her son so long, it's all he knows. She's probably always "just has his best interests at heart "

Hahaha

That's funny!!!

😂😂😂

At first I thought Mike was saying "smellville" so discovering it wa actually Snelville was an improvement for me.

In Scotland, “snell” describes the kind of damp cold wind that sucks the warmth out of you.

Almost there! 🎊 🎉

My cat just subbed! 🙌🏻😽🎉

He’s such a likeable and talented storyteller 😊

Get a life

@@ns4725 get a life? you’re watching the same video as us bud

Heart warming

I’m sorry to hear about your father. I truly hope in time you are able to to heal in whatever way that may be for you. You are an amazing child for going to be with your mom. My precious momma passed in 2022 from covid pneumonia-her and my dad together 60 years. My Dad is still completely lost without my beautiful momma. They did everything to get her and were each other’s first for everything. Your story gripped my heart. I’m so happy I’m able to be take care of my Dad-I mean afterall our parents did take care of us so I will do the same for him respectfully. Take care of yourself-sometimes we neglect ourselves being so busy-remember in order to take care of your mom you need to be well. ❤

I’m so sorry you lost your dad. Took care of my grandmother for the last two years of her life after my grandfather passed. They were married 66 years and they were apart for only 9 nights in all those years. A few years ago I left my life/career to live with and care for my mother so that she could stay in her home. We lost my father quite a while ago. She passed recently but it was the hardest and best 4 1/2 years of my life. What a blessing. I wouldn’t trade one second. Thank you for doing what you are doing! You won’t regret it. I am sending you and your mom all of my love and prayers.

I'm so sorry for your loss and I can imagine how much pain your mum is in. So great that she's got you ❤️

I lost my father two years ago. Fortunately I have lived next door to my parents for years so we spent many happy afternoons playing Yahtzee and sharing stories, gardening and building things. Dad is gone now and Mom and I continue but we miss him every day. Thanks for teaching me so much, Dad, you have made my life so much better and happier.

You're absolutely right Tbh if she had the money to pay for a better defence she would have walked. I do believe she was guilty but technically the case against her was very weak. Her defence attorney must've have been very poor.

You don't need to be rich, you need to not use your personal vehicle to off someone in a target parking lot😂. The best lawyers on earth wont help in that situation 99% of the time

@PenskePC17 they didn't ID the plate though did they? Just the make n model? I know it's still a major f up but they found nothing definite from her car, the single fiber that may have been from a wig and a receipt but they didn't have the actual wig, no weapon, no confirmed id's from witnesses, no dna, no blood and the artist impression looked like a ten year old drew it. It was all circumstantial. A good lawyer would have run rings round that case imo.

Alex Murdaugh is rich though and he didn't get away with it.He was convicted and got life without parole.

​@@sweeneytodd011I agree with you. There was enough reasonable doubt that even an average lawyer could have gotten her off. I don't care if she did it or not. But our judicial system has gone to shit. A prosecutor should have looked at the evidence they had and never even brought it to trial.

"When you get your little blood spots or whatever, you call me" (rap the table twice and walk out) - that's one cold hearted b_ 😱

I'm 72 the same thing happened to me been watching ever since,HA!!!

Awesome 😊❤

Tell him to drink every time Mike wears the Polaroid shirt.

@amarshall2896 And take a drink every time he says the word “tree” (three) 😂

@@michellegallia9361 oh you’re trying to get wasted 😂

Not everyone is a narcissist. 🙄 Some people are just mean and that's it.

@@user-gj1me4mf5c oh my God, shut up, both of ya'll

@@user-gj1me4mf5c some people are narcissists though. Not everyone, but she just might be one of them. It’s not a diagnosis, just a trait.

@@user-gj1me4mf5cas someone with a narcissist mom, diagnosed npd, this is some shit she would do lmao

@@user-gj1me4mf5c I know that diagnosis gets thrown around a lot, But I can tell you, just her body language alone screams Narcissist. The way she was able to walk away from killing her grandchild’s mother in cold blood while he sit helplessly in a hot car, so unbothered. She condemned her daughter in law for being a bad parent, when she is the definition. Sick 🤢

A little over 1 and a half, he wont. What’s really sad though is he wont have any memories of his mother, good or bad.

@@Trenchcoat3 that’s be nice… and I’d like to think that… but I was barely a year and a half when I got carried out of my house cause my mom died in the living room… it’s a very real traumatizing memory… I hope they’re lucky

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really, that's the line that did it for you? you must be simple minded to be so easily entertained.

@@user-ht9go4yg7w Thank you for caring.

@@user-ht9go4yg7wfr. people harp on That Chapter being "so respectful towards victims" yet he makes unfunny jokes at the victims expense in every single video.

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therapy, lol

I'm sorry to say but I don't think he will ever remember any of this

@@AlejandroSaenz-us9zt I don’t think that counts as a “sorry to say”…I 100% hope he doesn’t remember the actual event! However, that doesn’t prevent him from living with the aftermath. Growing up without a mother-knowing that your grandmother murdered her right in front of you. That can definitely mess a person up, if they aren’t helped coming to terms with it (the earlier/younger they learn to process and deal with it, the better).

@@glorygloryholeallelujah This! Hopefully he don’t recall the actual event, but you know how messed up it could leave him in his mind. My son briefly dated a girl in HS whose dad did murder her mom and suicide himself….even with years of counseling she was all kinds of messed up. It was sad. People who do these horrific things are Only thinking of Themselves, not the Innocent left behind. 💙

@@patriciadonoho2199 oh how terrible!-that poor girl!😞 I hope she eventually found a healthy way to cope with it and was able to move forward in her life. But you’re 100% correct about it being “all about themselves”! It’s basically the most disgustingly selfish act a person could ever commit -and it’s even more repulsive when the perpetrator tries to claim *”I just wanted to kill that person in order to help my kid/grandkid/niece/nephew/etc!”* Like…. What?! Absolutely ridiculous.

He's a mama's boy. I can only imagine how much she inserted herself in that marriage and all the unheard pleading of the wife to the husband to stand up against it. That jewellery receipt, she 100% knew what she was doing. I really hope that he will see the light someday. For his son and himself.

@@MsSonali1980this! 💯💯

@@MsSonali1980 Yes you can only imagine, because nothing in this video suggested that he regularly allowed her to dominate him while he was married to Heather. We've surely all seen people like that, but maybe hold back on the projection.

Steven is trash too how is everyone backing that coward???

Someone else posted an update that Carson is being raised by his maternal grandparents now. Thank goodness.

Why does this sound like Dr. Seuss made that slogan

​@@nononoisaidnopeHahaha 😂 Yes, absolutely. Cheers for making me laugh all the way down here in Australia. 🇦🇺😂

@@elenawilliams32 haha no prob bob! All the way from Tx!

I’m from snellville too!

@lucibee1163 I am SO sorry! Its difficult to lose someone special to you.😥

​@@geegstarthankyou for your kind words. I've lost so many friends in my life. I lost my partner 9years ago.cancer.then my Dad 5months later.cancer too. Nathan my lovely American friend and I had the most amazing bond.we just couldn't believe it ourselves.met in a comment section on That Chapter😊we did leave comments for Mike telling him he replied a couple of times saying how pleased he was. When we first spoke on the phone it was hilarious 'you sound so ENGLISH " and he sounded so American 😅 What a pair of nanas😊he loved sayings like that.must be very British x

Hugs ❤ that's very hard

@@irishhoopers6899 I appreciate the hugs mate,virtual hugs,much needed,thank you. Are you Irish.?

I reckon Nate will be smiling at these comments 20likes too!that's loads for me! Nate+I used to be real puzzled how some comments could get thousands of likes.why is that?someone said something about bots, we gave up trying to understand at that point! Took us long enough to work out how to exchange email addresses! The language differences gave us many laughs,his lovely son got hit by a semi,way before I knew him.had to learn to walk again it was pretty horrific ,but I said to Nate one day'what IS a semi...cos in England a semi has a whole other meaning!Well when he sussed out what it means in England he roared with laughter.he told his mom+dad too,they sent me a video of them all laughing, Nate said " the image of my son getting hit by a semi..English style semi ,it wouldn't have caused as much pain + damage 🤭

I like your style, Ann. Rock on 🤘

Southern grandma. So…. A big dog snoring, smell of apple pie, people who dont call first but just come over to say Hi, orangy sunsets. Flowers on the table. Just guessing. X from the netherlands

Hey grandma, God bless you.❤

Michigan grandfather here southern ladies are the best!!! ❤

Same! Can't imagine doing something so horendous and traumatic in front of my grandaughter.

She's crazy and delusional, of course, she's just gonna go with any narrative that makes her and her family look like the victims. Even when there's video evidence on both her and her son.

Welcome

Oh, to be new here again! Lol To have these vids to watch and not Ave to wait for new ones! Enjoy!

I’ve never seen a video of Mikes that wasn’t so well worth watching ~

For everyone great in the world there’s always someone just as evil

not me, not any more

He bought most of those subs

​@JazzyJADAxxx how does that work?