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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down in-person with Steven Bonnell II, also known as Destiny. They discuss the differences between the left and the right, force versus invitation, the feasibility and pitfalls of command economies, the dangers of ideology, and government response to worldwide crises.
Destiny, also known as Steven Bonnell II, is a prominent political commentator and content creator known for his debate skills and provocative takes on various issues. With a passion for gaming, politics, and philosophy, Destiny engages in lively discussions that often challenge the status quo.
This episode was recorded on February 3rd, 2024
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(0:00) Tour info 2024
(0:40) Coming up
(1:18) Intro
(2:22) Early days of streaming, how Steven entered political commentary
(7:40) Changes in thinking: shifting to the left
(12:11) The key differences between left and right worldviews
(13:29) Intervention, distribution, gigantism, and populism
(23:42) Redistribution and command economies, can they work?
(29:32) Negative externalities, balancing free markets with incentivized behavior and their effects on the poor
(37:34) Climate and economic models: two Towers of Babel
(40:57) The timeframe of C02 models changes the outlook, so how far back should we consider?
(43:12) The green guise of compassion obscures underlying intent
(47:34) The psychology of those who utter, “There are too many people on the planet”
(49:46) Destiny’s Jenga Tower, an analogy for how people become stuck in their beliefs
(57:00) Why people fear nuclear energy
(58:30) Realities of the green energy pipe dream
(1:00:32) Is it malevolence or ignorance that drives bad ideas? Motives versus public perception
(1:03:19) Both parties wield power when they have it, so how do we mitigate it?
(1:07:37) Was WWII Germany right or left wing?
(1:09:19) Moses and the desert
(1:13:56) Living in separate realities and bridging the divide
(1:15:50) MRNA, validity of rollout and excess deaths
(1:24:34) It wasn’t just the left
(1:26:27) Weighing the fear of a crisis against the use of experimental technology
(1:30:00) Mass consensus
(1:37:38) Psychopathy and levels of malevolence
(1:43:10) Do marriage and society exist without force?
(1:47:50) Tit-for-tat, force or justice?
(1:59:11) Why Steven debates
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@ajbrewer1777
@ajbrewer1777 Місяць тому
This feels like a father and son debating over the dinner table after the rest of the family had enough and went to bed... and its great lol
@NSHaliFacts
@NSHaliFacts Місяць тому
32:07
@danielsilveira3456
@danielsilveira3456 Місяць тому
🤣 No, kidding ...
@SB-mr2nk
@SB-mr2nk Місяць тому
Is that what fathers are supposed to do?
@lavest971
@lavest971 Місяць тому
@@SB-mr2nk the political/philosophical discussions I have with my father are some of the most important discussions of my life. Without patting myself on the back too much, I feel like I give him a nuance perspective into my generation, and he gives me an extremely grounded perspective into how we got to this point in the world. Best person I know to talk about anything
@redbird1336
@redbird1336 Місяць тому
This is also how adult friends interacted when I was a child. I have wonderful memories of my parents and other couples they were friends with sitting around our kitchen table "debating" issues for hours. Drinking coffee and having some intense conversations with no malice, aggression, or hurt feelings. Even when they disagreed on the topics. And remaining friends despite their differences. Taught me a lot about how to be a real adult, stand for what you believe in while respecting other people's right to do the same. To also respectfully listen to other people's differing opinions with an open mind because we're never too old to learn from each other. I miss that so much these days.
@Eze_Cloud
@Eze_Cloud Місяць тому
I love a debate with zero personal attacks.
@vakuzar
@vakuzar Місяць тому
Thats a great point, how rare tbh. I dont agree with Destiny almost at all but I respect him for being a good faith actor. If only more lefties where like that, conversations could get somewhere.
@j0hn00arthur
@j0hn00arthur Місяць тому
@@vakuzarthe point is not to get anywhere, as a whole neither side is trying to build something better, each side wants to win for themselves, no matter what, that’s all
@vakuzar
@vakuzar Місяць тому
@@34fdfgbr I too use insults when I have nothing of substance to say XD
@Eze_Cloud
@Eze_Cloud Місяць тому
@@34fdfgbr nice personal attack.
@junimeme5626
@junimeme5626 Місяць тому
​@@34fdfgbrWelp. Tick that "personal attacks" counter to 1 because of you.
@cameronmacdonald772
@cameronmacdonald772 20 днів тому
That was fantastic. Thank you both for participating in this discussion - it was a real treat.
@elmario246
@elmario246 10 днів тому
Your welcome
@Ejay669
@Ejay669 4 дні тому
Jordan is out of pocket on the climate section. We're seeing record high temperatures and the reason is the industrial complex.
@lameuser1
@lameuser1 6 годин тому
@@elmario246 *You're You are welcome. ;)
@juniper150
@juniper150 5 годин тому
Jordan is a bullshit artist of the highest degree. Most snake oil salesmen love a well-tailored suit
@levikrikke6997
@levikrikke6997 14 днів тому
I could’ve watched 6 more hours of this. Love that they can passionately clash ideas and never get personal. Also the Good Dr’s Jacket was 🔥
@orcanimal
@orcanimal Місяць тому
Jordan told Destiny, "You have the right to your own Destiny" without a hint of irony. What a fantastic conversation.
@sammyismuff
@sammyismuff Місяць тому
1:13:11
@steakeater4018
@steakeater4018 Місяць тому
He didn’t even give our girl Destiny a paper to roll up and fidget with. Hitler level evil
@MaximusTCR
@MaximusTCR Місяць тому
Baller!
@enigma7385
@enigma7385 Місяць тому
Oh no I arrived late to comment that! Lol
@johnbuckner2828
@johnbuckner2828 Місяць тому
Yea, great convo.
@jadonharper1493
@jadonharper1493 Місяць тому
Never in my life did I think I would see this pairing, I admire the diversity of guests on this podcast.
@user-sd5wg1vg4e
@user-sd5wg1vg4e Місяць тому
His daughter is friends with Lauren Southern. Who apparently had his bastard child. After his experiment with cuckoldry and marital failure.
@raidzeromatt
@raidzeromatt Місяць тому
"So maybe it wasn't a good idea to let your wife get ran through by random dudes for money. Okay, okay.."
@Seagal-tl5fv
@Seagal-tl5fv Місяць тому
Always so important to have diverse viewpoints. Good thing there is a strong black italian woman being included in the discourse finally.
@zarbins
@zarbins Місяць тому
Peterson does try to get many more left leaning people on but they almost always refuse. It is very disappointing as I would love to see a divergent range of thought/opinions. Kudos to Destiny for stepping up.
@shelby3755
@shelby3755 Місяць тому
Destiny does always talk more to conservatives than other leftists do. ​@@zarbins
@JustJoshua101
@JustJoshua101 18 днів тому
Jordan shoud probably have Steven back, seems to be his most viewed video in a while.
@Raggandrist
@Raggandrist 15 днів тому
Maybe in a year or two. No need to rush it. Destiny needs to grow up a bit first.
@JustJoshua101
@JustJoshua101 15 днів тому
@@Raggandrist I understand what you're saying, but I've stopped listening to Peterson completely, and actually love how destiny thinks. Even though I disagree with him on tonnes, he's consistent, witty and researches a lot. I know a lot of people see to think he doesn't, but there are weeks where he's online for 8 hours and he's just researching one topic.
@boxman2645
@boxman2645 14 днів тому
@@JustJoshua101I used to love the dude but atm I believe he is goin through trauma from his breakup and being masked by his new medication and it’s not going to end well……😢
@Paragonoflaziness
@Paragonoflaziness 14 днів тому
@@JustJoshua101you know we can see how long you’ve been subscribed to destiny, you orbiter
@JustJoshua101
@JustJoshua101 13 днів тому
@@Paragonoflaziness and what's the implication ?
@ravhanna
@ravhanna 19 днів тому
A great debate. Heated and No personal attacks. More debates should take note.
@link8689
@link8689 6 днів тому
debates are nothing more than talking points(lawyers) meaninglessness . i like to be informed about policy and views (politician)
@Shotzno
@Shotzno 4 дні тому
⁠@@link8689wtf are you talking about?😅 policy and views? You sound like a tool saying this and clearly your idea of a lawyer is what you’ve seen in a movie/TV. 😅 Debates are so you can make the case for your policy, and to let people challenge those ideas. Yea it can be a popularity contest at times but it’s better than no debating at all. Also, there’s a moderator who, if unbiased, keeps control and doesn’t allow them to say blatantly false info or evade questions.
@Ejay669
@Ejay669 4 дні тому
Jordan being a climate and vacine denier was not something I expected. What a fucking downturn.
@Shotzno
@Shotzno 4 дні тому
@@Ejay669 questioning safety and saying they cause downs is a big gap. I don’t think he said he was anti vax. Also they have been using fear to push an agenda. The climate may be heating up but who knows what that actually means. We know we cause some of it but not all. We should still push to get a sustainable energy. It’s just I’m not for telling poor people about to get evicted that their gas stove is illegal lol or that you can’t burn wood when we used t burm trash in town not even 20 yrs ago. It’s an over correction,
@duane7996
@duane7996 9 годин тому
@@Ejay669 Denier? He raised concerns about the coorelation and causation. He didn't outright deny that climate change is happening, he's saying nobody truly knows why despite the trillions put forward to climate research and "safer" energy alternatives. Not sure what a "vaccine denier" even is.
@over7532
@over7532 Місяць тому
The subtle, unspoken, mutual apologies for getting too worked up were things of absolute beauty. I'd love to see much more between these two.
@rileystrom8530
@rileystrom8530 Місяць тому
I do see what you're talking about, but I would (somewhat parasocially) guess that destiny does not really see getting "worked up" as a negative thing he'd have to apologize for. He's said before that he enjoys conversations like that much more than never truly getting into the details. My guess is that JBP is probably the same way.
@RS-fy9hb
@RS-fy9hb Місяць тому
Destiny doesn't view it as a problem, but he absolutely recognizes it normally conveys high tension friction and overly combativeness, which he's specifically tried to not be swept up in. Finkelstein Debate is another such example, he kept his cool, even if just for appearances, so while he personally doesn't dislike the high tension verbal "fights", when it comes to getting your point across to a different audience, he's made a point of making sure not to get swept up in raising the temperature, or mudslinging (although mudslinging didn't occur here, despite the tone almost seeming to indocate it could happen).
@kyle8688
@kyle8688 Місяць тому
If an apology is both subtle and unspoken then that’s not an apology
@markkangas413
@markkangas413 Місяць тому
​@@kyle8688if it's heard then it's an apology
@RS-fy9hb
@RS-fy9hb Місяць тому
@@kyle8688 it doesn't need to be a verbalised apology to recognize there was an acknowledgement of tempers flaring or the temperature increasing, for both parties to feel the need and want to cooperate to decrease the tension in the room. If you want to argue semantics, we'll probably be here all day.
@kylesadirtbag5937
@kylesadirtbag5937 26 днів тому
“ guys please you’re ruining Easter for the whole family”
@ritafernandes7218
@ritafernandes7218 25 днів тому
😂😂😂😂😂
@assaqwwq
@assaqwwq 25 днів тому
BUT I DON'T TRUST PEOPLE THAT USE FORCE, NOW LEMME HALF MY URANIUM ENRICHED KOOL AID. Grandpa, you called the cops on the "shady" people that moved next door. SO?! oh irony. Destiny says there's hypocrisy and abuses of power on both sides. JP: BUT THE LEFT... Just cause you use multi syllable words and have a degree in sociology don't make you an expert in big data modeling, idiot.
@chadmangimelli2834
@chadmangimelli2834 25 днів тому
Too late, Biden already ruined it.
@Snowflake_Destroyer
@Snowflake_Destroyer 25 днів тому
You mean trans visibility day😂😂😂
@Pixelkip
@Pixelkip 24 дні тому
@@Snowflake_Destroyer waaahhh
@Aires457
@Aires457 4 дні тому
I love how fast they both talk and respond to each other. It makes this one of the best debates I've ever seen.
@ChaimS
@ChaimS 12 днів тому
Wow, what a rarity! A non-moderated, true debate with plenty of yelling and passion, but not a single personal attack! And for 2 hours!
@leonabarkell1809
@leonabarkell1809 Місяць тому
As a conservative, I am now skeptical aboul both gigantic business and government. It's especially dangerous because they are working together.
@BidenHasDementia
@BidenHasDementia Місяць тому
Government enables big businesses to exist.
@JoeKerr420
@JoeKerr420 Місяць тому
Think back to Teddy Roosevelt you’ll see why he was a Trust Busting conservative
@dmr6390
@dmr6390 Місяць тому
Great comment. Centralized power in general is always concerning to me
@MrDeano-eu9rg
@MrDeano-eu9rg Місяць тому
Hence why you shouldn't keep voting I'm the same asswipe parties...stop voting republican abd democrat
@aylictal
@aylictal Місяць тому
As a liberal, I am happy conservatives are now seeing the issue with big business. About 10 years back there was a fairly significant libertarian movement on the right, especially regarding Ron Paul and the tea party where they wanted big business to have 0 limitations and ultimately complete control. Scary when those same corporations without limitations would also without limitation take their money in towards lobbyists behind closed doors to basically be the government themselves without anyone seeing it. Liberals, including myself, nowadays also see the problem with big government in hindsight, especially when war is concerned. If you ask any liberal which president killed the most people in history, it wasn't a conservative, but Barack Obama. Its a fact, and hard for other libs to swallow.
@Noccyboy
@Noccyboy Місяць тому
51 minutes in, things are tense, the fadeaway to the advertisement had me DYING of laughter
@joshuamendez9959
@joshuamendez9959 Місяць тому
Such is the daily wire
@nothingspecial1241
@nothingspecial1241 Місяць тому
the only fadeaway i saw was destiny's beard. dude slipped in the shower while shaving.
@stillnotchill2560
@stillnotchill2560 Місяць тому
​@@nothingspecial1241it's likely alopecia barbae. Funny how his recent interviews always have that spot of his beard facing the camera though lol. It can grow back but he should just shave the sides until it does.
@rubssi8741
@rubssi8741 Місяць тому
@@stillnotchill2560 It is alopecia, Destiny brought it up several times on stream. Edit: Also he did shave the sides xD
@MiddleWayLife
@MiddleWayLife Місяць тому
Yo this shit makes me so sick. Why do they cover up the actual content with the ad. Why don't they just pause the content and show the ad?
@retsu3993
@retsu3993 19 днів тому
This was a great debate and conversation. Definitely would love to see you two tackle other talking points.
@midder66
@midder66 12 днів тому
This is probably one of the best conversations/debate I have seen in a long time and more of these need to happen.
@normanlewis2953
@normanlewis2953 Місяць тому
Mr Vermicelli was surprisingly respectful and well tempered. Great talk.
@mastakilla7317
@mastakilla7317 Місяць тому
Yeah he walked the line gracefully
@jordanbabcock8806
@jordanbabcock8806 Місяць тому
Except during the vaccine bit
@Barbato13
@Barbato13 Місяць тому
Yup Mr barmelli was nice today lol
@curiousrap
@curiousrap Місяць тому
Mr. Burelli used his wiki knowledge to make the conversation interesting.
@jc707imports
@jc707imports Місяць тому
Basssseeeddddd
@schwarg
@schwarg Місяць тому
Jordans suit game is outta this world
@reghty
@reghty Місяць тому
Christian orthodox aesthetics 🔥
@iainbreen7835
@iainbreen7835 Місяць тому
Yeah that is a bold choice
@protoindoeuropean
@protoindoeuropean Місяць тому
@@reghtycringe
@vh1775
@vh1775 Місяць тому
It’s awful
@danfratzke5394
@danfratzke5394 Місяць тому
He wore that during the visit to sioux-falls. I asked him if he would be willing to trade, straight up, for mine. Got a solid laugh. No blazers were exchanged that evening. But memories were made.
@stimmons1375
@stimmons1375 19 днів тому
One of the best debate I have seen in a long time. Very interesting arguments made on both sides
@Mookledink
@Mookledink 14 днів тому
I think this is more of a discussion than a debate. They have opposing views on things, sure, but both come to understandings. They weren't necessarily being combative on each other's views, but rather airing their ideas on a subject.
@justice4keanu
@justice4keanu 13 днів тому
Really? What were Destiny's "interesting" arguments exactly? Seemed like he was spitting out rapid-fire gibberish to me.
@galaxydawn7324
@galaxydawn7324 12 днів тому
​@justice4keanu It's a tactical move, overload your opposition with "information" so they can't dismantle everything at once
@gedde5703
@gedde5703 11 днів тому
​@@justice4keanu Dug in. Look within and find your goodwill.
@justice4keanu
@justice4keanu 11 днів тому
@@gedde5703 Whatchoo talkin bout Willis?
@OliThaTwist
@OliThaTwist День тому
This was an outstanding debate between two people operating with decorum and good faith. That said.....Destiny absolutely nailed Peterson on almost every point of fundamental disagreement.
@terrim3853
@terrim3853 Місяць тому
The pure joy Jordan got from an actual debate must be so rewarding 😂
@vettevegas
@vettevegas Місяць тому
Intellectual honesty. Nice!
@chekz3520
@chekz3520 Місяць тому
This wasn't a debate, really. JP debated Dillahunty, Sam Harris, and Zizek. They were all L's for him.
@yemartini5443
@yemartini5443 Місяць тому
@@chekz3520facts
@StarStriker-pk1zy
@StarStriker-pk1zy Місяць тому
lol, what ever you say buddy@@chekz3520
@mikesharderlemonade668gmail
@mikesharderlemonade668gmail Місяць тому
​@chekz3520 you are ignorant, wrong and clearly never watched those conversations 😂😂😂😂😂
@HostileTakeover555
@HostileTakeover555 Місяць тому
Thank you for having Mr. Bonerelli on. I always enjoy when people from different sides of the political spectrum talk to each other.
@stendaalcartography3436
@stendaalcartography3436 Місяць тому
It was great to see Mr. Borelli on here!
@NickTheShark_
@NickTheShark_ Місяць тому
Destiny has some reasonable views
@redacted2275
@redacted2275 Місяць тому
Good to know, *HostileTakeover555.*
@HostileTakeover555
@HostileTakeover555 Місяць тому
⁠@@stendaalcartography3436 - Indeed - I like that since JP is a Psychologist that it makes for a more interesting interview/debate unlike one Mr. Cuchinelli has done before.
@sooperd00p
@sooperd00p Місяць тому
​@@NickTheShark_he doesn't have any views. He is a nihilist internet debate bro. He believes in nothing.
@milesstone2501
@milesstone2501 19 днів тому
Beautiful debate, almost like a work of art. You two were brilliant! Thanks for making this Jordan❤
@canadsian2747
@canadsian2747 14 днів тому
Intellectual honesty is in such short supply in today's debate-sphere. Take notes, debaters.
@kevinross6235
@kevinross6235 Місяць тому
The interview is actually real
@aberosmuchos7062
@aberosmuchos7062 Місяць тому
I still cant believe it, lmao
@aberosmuchos7062
@aberosmuchos7062 Місяць тому
Thanks Lex
@dashockpixle4140
@dashockpixle4140 Місяць тому
How old is this
@kevinross6235
@kevinross6235 Місяць тому
​​@@dashockpixle4140I believe it was filmed on February 2nd or 3rd
@Brainjoy01
@Brainjoy01 Місяць тому
lets see how much destiny wanted to cut out
@davidryan8547
@davidryan8547 Місяць тому
Destiny it was NOT Biden alone that said the vaccine would get rid of transmission. NIH officials and CDC officials said the same thing.
@kylemcmahon9868
@kylemcmahon9868 Місяць тому
Did they say it got rid? Or reduced?
@adamcox6960
@adamcox6960 Місяць тому
Fauci himself said it
@SquishJessica
@SquishJessica Місяць тому
@@kylemcmahon9868 They absolutely said reduce lol
@adamcox6960
@adamcox6960 Місяць тому
@SquishJessica in the beginning they said " got rid of"
@jd8184
@jd8184 Місяць тому
@@adamcox6960fauci said it 1 time. If you look at the bulk of the messages from the go and people like fauci, then its clear they ran a campaign that said it would reduce.
@ULINEgo
@ULINEgo 20 днів тому
DR Peterson; you never cease to make me feel like Im at home in my head and its not crazy how I analyze things.
@jamesmusker
@jamesmusker 20 днів тому
I loved this debate, would love to see another session. Have a lot of questions but can't ask.
@jjjyli686
@jjjyli686 6 годин тому
Peterson is unbearable at times🤣🤣 wtf is he rambling at 41:50…guy saying it doesn’t matter when industrial times started producing co2 on a faster pace. Obviously it matters to the climate change speeding up idk how idiotic one has to be not to see that. J.P really said we don’t know where co2 is from🤣🤣 how the hell can people listen to this guy
@eqjase
@eqjase Місяць тому
Bro I’m so here for this. I love how more podcasts are doing the left/right crossover. I respect both these gentlemen.
@susanzeidler3960
@susanzeidler3960 Місяць тому
It would be nice to have more of them but the only people I've seen from the left that are willing to do it are Destiny and Ana Kasparian. Well, Cenk went on a couple during his 'presidential run' but IMO it was only to grandstand and try for 'gotchas'. He didn't seem interested in having a real discussion.
@TheNancypoo
@TheNancypoo Місяць тому
This used to be the norm. It's weird you think this is so novel 🙄
@Kurnhelios
@Kurnhelios Місяць тому
@@TheNancypooWhen was it the norm? I’m only 26 and this is pretty unique to me (since I’ve been old enough to remember and appreciate it)
@chadduckenfield7374
@chadduckenfield7374 Місяць тому
I would n🎉describe Destiny as a gentleman
@plastifiedmetal5682
@plastifiedmetal5682 Місяць тому
​@@Kurnheliosim 29. This was before our time. Firing line is a good example. Check out Thomas Sowell on there, its incredible.
@JU1CEB0X27
@JU1CEB0X27 24 дні тому
The clips are not doing this conversation justice. The clips make it seem like the conversation was very contentious but they are very civil to each other. This was wonderful thank you for the video!
@dominiking69
@dominiking69 22 дні тому
Same thing I thought too. Clips really paint the wrong energy of the conversation
@Luiz997488
@Luiz997488 22 дні тому
100%
@AccessCode101
@AccessCode101 22 дні тому
That's exactly what I thought.
@TheOzumat
@TheOzumat 21 день тому
The clippers strongly rely on the assumption that no one has the attention span to watch the original, that's why they upload strategically clipped shorts to paint the discussion in whatever light they want. Unfortunately it's working, as you can clearly see the difference between the comments section here, vs the comments sections on shorts.
@pablozote
@pablozote 21 день тому
You took the words out of my mouth!
@jeslit8001
@jeslit8001 20 днів тому
More of this, please. And, not just here. Everywhere! ♥
@globaldemise
@globaldemise 12 годин тому
Love this! More of this please! Love watching Peterson getting passionate.
@kevinross6235
@kevinross6235 Місяць тому
I started to think this interview never happened because it took a long time to be released
@Ryan-on9ne
@Ryan-on9ne Місяць тому
Were you edging or were you gooning?
@beanshadow008
@beanshadow008 Місяць тому
Not everyone uses spotify
@kevinross6235
@kevinross6235 Місяць тому
​@@nyChannel09I don't use Spotify for podcast and I wasn't really complaining
@RedactedUsername
@RedactedUsername Місяць тому
To be fair we had reason to doubt given Destiny used a JP interview as a bait & switch before
@kevinross6235
@kevinross6235 Місяць тому
​@@RedactedUsernameWe certainly had a reason
@wisdomandy9361
@wisdomandy9361 Місяць тому
You don't see debates like this anymore. What a treat.
@jonlynch
@jonlynch Місяць тому
Because it's a conversation, not a debate.
@brockcharz2104
@brockcharz2104 Місяць тому
Not really, destiny throws out alot of word salad mixed with false presumptions hoping that no one will catch some of it. This is bad faith, complete waste of time. luckily jp saw through it and called him out 😂
@fr.Angel21
@fr.Angel21 Місяць тому
J.P strawmans a lot. He throws a lot of rabbit holes like bombshells and dismisses them immediately by re switching to the "main point. Destiny is good against these Big Con "figures" but he's weak againt people like Fuentes, Andrew Wilson and Council of Trent.
@brockcharz2104
@brockcharz2104 Місяць тому
@@fr.Angel21 lol destiny looked bad, Destiny talking about climate change using wlklpedla knowledge is not intelligent 😂😂 destiny has no clue what the actual data shows. JP called him out on this
@HopelessAutistic
@HopelessAutistic Місяць тому
This isn’t a debate. This is like a therapist lecturing a stubborn rotten brat. Jordi is a freckin joke
@tomol012
@tomol012 18 днів тому
Really good strong conversation. Those are needed very much.
@konyecstrength4life
@konyecstrength4life 4 дні тому
This is one of the best conversations/debates i have seen. Respectful throughout.
@bryanthelyon
@bryanthelyon Місяць тому
Probably one of JP’s most interesting talks I’ve heard in a while. Very good pairing here.
@knachos2233
@knachos2233 Місяць тому
Impressed by destiny
@arenegadeboss
@arenegadeboss Місяць тому
These guys should argue more often. I'm a destiny fan but it's so good to see someone intelligently push back and make him go a level or 2 deeper or make him use precise language particularly because Peterson is intently listening and engaging. Give us a once a month argument about anything 🤣
@HeyCutie90
@HeyCutie90 Місяць тому
Yes, I particularly liked their back and forth on vaccines. It really challenged my beliefs on both sides and I think they both made excellent points. It’s very rare to see those sorts of conversations where you can see people with opposing perspectives and agree with both in different aspects.
@drearmouse9510
@drearmouse9510 Місяць тому
@@arenegadeboss Right? Feel like Destiny's the only person I've personally seen that had Dr. P stopping and thinking a bit more than usual about his reasoning.
@JohnWheaton1
@JohnWheaton1 Місяць тому
⁠@@drearmouse9510Yes I agree, and coming from the side of a Destiny fan, this is one of the first times I’ve truly seen someone make him stop and think about his reasoning. This is why it’s so important to have smart people from both sides debate complex topics, it’s the only way we can move forward as a country and as a people. Very impressed by both and I hope they do this again.
@ryanperrett3740
@ryanperrett3740 Місяць тому
I noticed something very important in this debate. Both were willing to clarify definitions on multiple occasions.
@vicevilla9949
@vicevilla9949 Місяць тому
That makes everything consistent and they are both in the same terms in what they're talking about. There's something relaxing and satisfying when the conversation is this clear
@joaomercado3220
@joaomercado3220 Місяць тому
Which makes it all very entertaining and engaging right to the end.
@Grubiantoll
@Grubiantoll Місяць тому
Both are also activily engaging ain listening and trying to understand what other person is saying, instead of the usual where there is one person who is doing very little listening but a huge lot of assuming
@mattbowden1981
@mattbowden1981 Місяць тому
So much better than name calling
@Sandlund93
@Sandlund93 26 днів тому
If only more people cared about definitions. Instead we assume the worst and end up arguing about 2 different things, while thinking we are arguing about the same thing. Which is just a waste of time.
@pinkyi151
@pinkyi151 11 днів тому
I just came back from seeing Dr Peterson in person tonight ...his show was awesome and interactive ! Today was also my birthday. He is the best gift I ever got for my birthday besides the birth of my kids ! 🎉I was a die hard fan but now that I’ve seen him in person I cannot begin to explain how elated I feel !!!!! Keep up the good work Dr Peterson !!!!! 😊
@_This_Is_Patrick_
@_This_Is_Patrick_ 10 днів тому
Happy Birthday
@tinekawilliams2715
@tinekawilliams2715 9 днів тому
What a blessing. Happy belated birthday 👍🏼
@italkgory99
@italkgory99 7 днів тому
Were you at the El Paso show? I was there
@thepredman9lol266
@thepredman9lol266 18 днів тому
This was awesome. An hour can fly by and I feel like it was no time at all, yet I've learnt so much from these two. Been rewatching this fascinating talk/debate over the past few days just to absorb it all!
@bigsnacks2350
@bigsnacks2350 Місяць тому
This interview is giving me nostalgia from Old School JP debates. I'm very encouraged at the intellectual honesty both men had, no personal attacks, no assuming other person's perspective, just speaking about the issues
@FastAndEasy2010
@FastAndEasy2010 Місяць тому
Just, you know, climate change science is equivalent to nazis...that part is pretty dishonest
@mp29940
@mp29940 Місяць тому
Destiny is not an intellectual. Sorry about that. He made his name off of TDS
@johnnyr4767
@johnnyr4767 Місяць тому
​@FastAndEasy2010 not climate science, the movement behind climate science, you didn't pay enough attention apparently
@Rays_Bad_Decisions
@Rays_Bad_Decisions Місяць тому
Yes but the interview is a good example of why the left avoids debate and relies on censorship and paid influencers
@Rays_Bad_Decisions
@Rays_Bad_Decisions Місяць тому
​@@FastAndEasy2010your right the Nazis raised their people's standard of living
@jc707imports
@jc707imports Місяць тому
These guys had such natural chemistry they could easily do this regularly and have enormous success. Don’t sleep on this rare dynamic that’s been uncovered. It’s special.
@BrennanWayneLuther
@BrennanWayneLuther Місяць тому
Yeah there is something happening here that feels entirely productive.
@dtps_champion6016
@dtps_champion6016 Місяць тому
Good point
@eazeazeaz
@eazeazeaz Місяць тому
I doubt they collaborate again for a while. It’s a shame though, this convo was really good.
@chok1169
@chok1169 Місяць тому
Initially I didn't feel it that much, but by the end of the conversation I think it was good.
@dip9995
@dip9995 Місяць тому
I agree their chemistry/dynamic completely captured my attention
@user-wg5db6pb7z
@user-wg5db6pb7z 4 дні тому
This a type of conversation that EVERY person with a strong opinion should seek. Find someone who disagrees with you but can tolerate discussing it with you.
@Constantinch
@Constantinch Місяць тому
The debate on vaccines and climate change was actually fun to listen to. I like when debate opponents actually acknowledge what the other one is saying and address it instead of running down their own dialogue tree.
@zakeaton5632
@zakeaton5632 Місяць тому
Like how neither of them or you realize that not a single pediatric vaccine in the US has ever been safety tested 😂 Or how there’s no way to record the average temperature of the earth, least of all no way to model the infinite number of variables. If there was, banks and corporations would be using the algorithm, not the fuckin weather man 🤣 You simpletons will fall for any propaganda
@user-vg5ie5hm1u
@user-vg5ie5hm1u Місяць тому
You literally have to have 30 iq to not get the "vaccines" was a money grab
@polpottopg
@polpottopg Місяць тому
@nft3 NPC
@zakeaton5632
@zakeaton5632 Місяць тому
@@polpottopgyou’re the npc because you dont know that a single pediatric vax has ever been safety tested 😂
@jacobkudrowich
@jacobkudrowich Місяць тому
​@@zakeaton5632you'd think that would make you more apprehensive about the vaccine not less .
@dkkeyz8815
@dkkeyz8815 Місяць тому
This kinda feels like a professor talking to one of the smart students in class and I’m really the shop class guy watching from the window.
@rooftopirishman4571
@rooftopirishman4571 Місяць тому
LMAO
@KurNorock
@KurNorock Місяць тому
You give destiny a lot of credit calling him a smart student. He isn't. He just has a good memory and has read the first 3 results of many Google searches that already agree with what he thinks.
@eshwarprasad9218
@eshwarprasad9218 Місяць тому
thats one of the more popular definitions of a smart student.@@KurNorock
@luctapia
@luctapia Місяць тому
@@KurNorock my guess is you should be there with Jordan Peterson instead of Destiny? nope you'll still be just a loser throwing shade at him from a youtube comment section, whoops!
@erenkruger849
@erenkruger849 Місяць тому
you clearly haven't watched a single stream@@KurNorock
@ChocolateJorge
@ChocolateJorge 10 днів тому
This was honestly great, & both made good points. So nice to watch
@tomadde
@tomadde 12 днів тому
Amazingly good debate. Regardless if you're leaning left or right, this was just so good and intellectually satisfying. Thank you!
@ScriptedLinks
@ScriptedLinks Місяць тому
You rarely ever see Peterson like this. It's fantastic to watch.
@hatersgotohell627
@hatersgotohell627 Місяць тому
I've never seen him like this.
@user-qd8ou9lo4x
@user-qd8ou9lo4x Місяць тому
He's used to people agreeing with him on everything
@ScriptedLinks
@ScriptedLinks Місяць тому
@@user-qd8ou9lo4x He's tired of the facade and lies. Quite a lot of us are at this point.
@mrmr2488
@mrmr2488 Місяць тому
@@user-qd8ou9lo4xhe’s probably not use to talking to midwits that just rattle off talking points that the person saying them doesn’t even understand. Zero original thoughts, all partisan hackery
@yama4ever
@yama4ever Місяць тому
That's actually the opposite. His rise to fame was because of talking with people that disagreed with him.@@user-qd8ou9lo4x
@strategosopsikion8576
@strategosopsikion8576 26 днів тому
I applaud both for this conversation. It got heated and yet remained cordial with no personal attacks. Very well done. We need more of this
@adedejiiyanuoluwa2898
@adedejiiyanuoluwa2898 25 днів тому
Destiny was too hasty to conclude that there were predictions by the conservatives about the side effects of the vaccines of which none of the predictions came through. There were actually side effects, although it might not have been pronounced as expected.
@jizim8947
@jizim8947 25 днів тому
I agree. Things have gotten so bad I can't even talk to my best friend about politics it's sad
@malasc12
@malasc12 25 днів тому
Which is odd , since Destiny usually leans on personal attacks in debate
@assaqwwq
@assaqwwq 25 днів тому
Got heated because JP yelled at someone half his age that he doesn't TRUST PEOPLE THAT USE FORCE when that wasn't even the argument in the first place 😂
@assaqwwq
@assaqwwq 25 днів тому
​@@jizim8947do more listening than talking. Also take notes. But Destiny is running laps around JP here. Destiny said we live in different worlds with different facts and that more people should be present in the same space. JP ignored that because he was too busy to yell.
@zanec9108
@zanec9108 10 днів тому
Would love to see more from these two. Great discussion.
@nonphixionification
@nonphixionification 14 днів тому
Great conversation !
@jeffpeterson4287
@jeffpeterson4287 26 днів тому
So good to see JP looking healthy again.
@gannon5409
@gannon5409 25 днів тому
Amen KetoVore
@belligerentfaggott9204
@belligerentfaggott9204 25 днів тому
no
@BradleyKang23
@BradleyKang23 Місяць тому
I wish I had professors like Jordan when I was in school
@emalek8290
@emalek8290 Місяць тому
Earlier version of Jordan, yes.
@youmakemehappy7
@youmakemehappy7 Місяць тому
I KNOW. It'd be a DREAM😊
@simonfredheim9581
@simonfredheim9581 Місяць тому
A professor who get's mad when you disagree with him? No thanks
@MrDeano-eu9rg
@MrDeano-eu9rg Місяць тому
Hes just another stock standard right wing talking head...he just seems smarter.
@emalek8290
@emalek8290 Місяць тому
@@simonfredheim9581 lol great point
@Mc1aine
@Mc1aine 5 днів тому
Very Illuminating Dr. Peterson. Thankyou. I've been wanting to know more about this chap.
@rcnewman51.
@rcnewman51. 10 днів тому
It’s incredibly refreshing to hear a healthy disagreement. Something that is hard to find these days.
@kevinross6235
@kevinross6235 Місяць тому
Maybe it's just me, but I really like how animated both of them are in this conversation
@pinto_8261
@pinto_8261 Місяць тому
@@Noname-lw6hpbrother what lol
@andy2012ization
@andy2012ization Місяць тому
@@Noname-lw6hp that sounds like projecting your anxiety
@maxsmith8196
@maxsmith8196 Місяць тому
​@@Noname-lw6hpIt feels more like destiny is being careful not to be too confrontational, to not shut down the conversation
@Osvath97
@Osvath97 Місяць тому
Yes, (except for at certain micro-points), the animation felt passionate and sincere rather than an explosion of hostility.
@primedcg
@primedcg Місяць тому
how many top comments can you have in one thread
@RobertEgbers
@RobertEgbers Місяць тому
Incredible discussion. When can we get a round 2?
@arnavrawat9864
@arnavrawat9864 Місяць тому
Get this to the top
@zlkanglwrth2776
@zlkanglwrth2776 Місяць тому
Why? To get more: Peterson: here is hard data Destiny: yeah but I feel like.... ?
@Kirito_2016
@Kirito_2016 Місяць тому
@@zlkanglwrth2776 Peterson did this just as much as Destiny
@RobertEgbers
@RobertEgbers Місяць тому
@@Kirito_2016 absolutely. And his attempt to be full-on anti-vaxxxxer was cringe. Starts with some vaccines might be safe. Then they are safe, but just too many at once. Then it’s just the mRNA that scientifically bad. Then it’s just distrust because of coercion, but the vaccines themselves weren’t the problem.
@hargre77
@hargre77 Місяць тому
It wasn't that MRNA is/was bad, just that it wasn't tested enough
@kimberleigh8847
@kimberleigh8847 День тому
I love the passion is this discussion ❤ This is AMAZING!!!!!!!!
@brianbradshaw-ev4vq
@brianbradshaw-ev4vq 17 днів тому
Amazing Conversation!!
@KayellVargas
@KayellVargas 28 днів тому
The way Jordan Peterson can review the conversation on command and recall a point from the beginning of the convo to then apply it with surgical precision is quite incredible
@Alan_Edwards
@Alan_Edwards 27 днів тому
Great observation. I just started watching the video but I totally get your point and have seen it many times. I wish I could do that or could even retain just a tiny bit of the things I read like JP can.
@dantheman1337
@dantheman1337 27 днів тому
He's a clinical psychologist
@mandrewski2742
@mandrewski2742 27 днів тому
My wife can do this and I find it OP and unfair lol
@KayellVargas
@KayellVargas 27 днів тому
@@mandrewski2742 all i can say in regards to such a skill is with great power comes great responsibility 🤣
@oliverbird6914
@oliverbird6914 27 днів тому
I thought he lost this argument and I didn't want him to
@sbeiting07
@sbeiting07 Місяць тому
Thank you for having Ms. Boncinelli on the show. I always appreciate when two people on opposite sides of the autism spectrum can have a civil debate
@emmayates9309
@emmayates9309 Місяць тому
I’m forever now describing the variation in autism as the Peterson end and the Destiny end. Golden observation
@likejimi5845
@likejimi5845 Місяць тому
Lmaoo well done
@pocketrealitty
@pocketrealitty Місяць тому
I don’t understand. Is this your attempt at being funny?
@lesterdiamonds27
@lesterdiamonds27 Місяць тому
In the brilliant words of Mrs Candace Owens to destiny “aren’t you too old to be acting and thinking the way you do?”
@AJ........
@AJ........ Місяць тому
Opposite sides of the spectrum, and opposite sexes
@Donnybrook10
@Donnybrook10 4 дні тому
Kudos to Jordan for not using force and strangling him.
@cubrman
@cubrman Місяць тому
One of Jordan's best interviews by a large margin.
@andrewstarr8062
@andrewstarr8062 Місяць тому
Yeah if you're a Destiny Stan who has only listened to this one interview...
@TheRandomThings23
@TheRandomThings23 Місяць тому
@@andrewstarr8062you all over the comments crying jp had an interesting conversation, your brain is rotted
@user-wn1kq8jx5q
@user-wn1kq8jx5q Місяць тому
@@andrewstarr8062who hurt you lol
@danielvera9890
@danielvera9890 Місяць тому
yeah i would not declare that so quickly. But i enjoyed it a lot. @@andrewstarr8062
@Lol-ww8xd
@Lol-ww8xd Місяць тому
Yep, it was an immaculate debate by two excellent intellectuals on opposite political spectrum.
@emilcioran7444
@emilcioran7444 23 дні тому
No ad-hominems. This is the way it should ALWAYS be in debates.
@bigboicreme
@bigboicreme 22 дні тому
😂❤
@glensmillie5101
@glensmillie5101 22 дні тому
Distinction between right and wrong becomes irrelevant upon the unyielding fields of subliminal enterprise, must a discussion pertaining to efficacy denote the honoury? How I admire you both, this is the best advocation for reasonableness yet. Bravo 😅
@jimjohn9041
@jimjohn9041 22 дні тому
Lol you don’t see much
@glensmillie5101
@glensmillie5101 22 дні тому
@@jimjohn9041 nay brother, I see all
@revmsj
@revmsj 22 дні тому
I know right! It’s funny/sad how it seems so abnormal and note worthy watching a 2 hour long debate between polar opposites completely devoid of ad hominem lobbing, and only a handful of moments of voice elevation and head shaking. Perhaps these two could conduct debate classes for would be and current politicians alike…🤔🤷🏾‍♂️
@13ADubb
@13ADubb 4 дні тому
Love this discussion. Love both of these twos sides. The intellectual discussion is so refreshing. Less attacking, less side questing, I feel these two effectively listened and responded to each other respectable. Please make more content with each other. We need more masters of the minds
@lordbawnchie
@lordbawnchie 19 днів тому
Good on Destiny for coming on much respect!
@AfionFada
@AfionFada 23 дні тому
This is the most respectful heated debate I have ever seen. Absolutely amazing ❤
@massn1990
@massn1990 Місяць тому
Great talk between Mr. Peterson and Mr. Morelli
@nft3
@nft3 Місяць тому
No.
@Truth_is_hard283
@Truth_is_hard283 Місяць тому
😂
@ten4l
@ten4l Місяць тому
@@nft3 Heh I am so cool by writing short edgy responses that are open to diverse interpretation
@Brigittexbx09
@Brigittexbx09 Місяць тому
Dr Peterson was great ..other a snowflake and psychopath..thefrantic yelling spoke loud I’m right and your wrong ..how many times did he use Trump ..he also has the syndrome .. good job exposing this creep who is a horrible influencer
@comicsans6487
@comicsans6487 Місяць тому
that's Mr. Motormouth Morelly for you.
@AmericanLiberty-dq5ft
@AmericanLiberty-dq5ft 4 години тому
Jordan Peterson is a living legend.
@Jhonatt
@Jhonatt Місяць тому
Destiny really looked happy to be there and discuss with JP. I think it shows a lot of respect. And vice versa.
@fg-l3565
@fg-l3565 Місяць тому
I've been following Destiny for quite a long time at this point, this had to have been his best conversation in years. JBP's a fantastic speaker.
@Graavyrobber
@Graavyrobber Місяць тому
The comment section on this alone shows that this was a huge W for both parties involved.
@DAKreates
@DAKreates Місяць тому
Exactly
@mistersonnen848
@mistersonnen848 Місяць тому
Cause they showed humility to agree with each other's good point
@xander9460
@xander9460 Місяць тому
Both made good arguments, presented good information, didn't resort to personal attacks. All in all, a good discussion. Tempers got a bit heated tho. Peterson could do with a little less shouting and interrupting. Which surprised me, that's very unlike him. Normally he's very calm and collected in a discussion.
@mikejames1882
@mikejames1882 Місяць тому
Anybody who thinks "destiny" represented himself well here needs to stop drinking soy lattes. It's hard to watch, or listen to such a sad, indoctrinated, demoralized and effeminate man for this long. If you think he made good points, you need to change yourself fundamentally to become a man. Peterson is also not the way. He merely points in the faint direction of the way.
@StackingGains
@StackingGains Місяць тому
​@@xander9460yes that surprised me, but having a bit of emotion can be interesting for those of us watching.
@gouliansimte332
@gouliansimte332 2 дні тому
It's commendable that Jordan highlighted how whenever Destiny finds himself cornered or losing an argument, he tends to completely redefine the topic at hand. Some examples that come to mind include insisting on redefining "force" or "status" during debates.
@curtsmith7699
@curtsmith7699 19 днів тому
amazing post!....this is food for the mind and the soul
@bryanjerome8534
@bryanjerome8534 Місяць тому
I wish the left and right could have more respectful yet passionate debates like this.
@dionysian222
@dionysian222 Місяць тому
The problem is there’s money to be made and a cult of personality to be built by polarizing.
@AdmiringObserverR
@AdmiringObserverR Місяць тому
Each side has people of different levels of intellect, discussion and argument skillsets, and varying motivations. I enjoy when these people get matched up and talk are the best things to listen to.
@personface108
@personface108 Місяць тому
Jordan, while not arguing in good faith, is at the bare minimum being respectful to destiny. Every argument I've ever been in with a conservative has devolved into ad hominem attacks, mistaking feelings for facts, or putting up a literal wall between them and simply opening a dictionary or googling a concept they don't understand. I too would love for more discussions like this but Trumps own personal unscrupulous and disrespectful behavior is inspiring the right to act likewise
@thepoeticbutcher3370
@thepoeticbutcher3370 Місяць тому
@@personface108…..that’s exactly what Liberals do. Call names(Nazis is the go to) Big thing is that you can’t critique any other race, because that’s….. .
@thepoeticbutcher3370
@thepoeticbutcher3370 Місяць тому
@@personface108 ….. I was reading your obviously false words & wondering when the TDS would come into play.. You nailed it🫡
@coudgeb
@coudgeb Місяць тому
This is exactly why free speech is so damn important. Without it we can never talk to each other
@user-uk3gk6rf7v
@user-uk3gk6rf7v Місяць тому
be honest do you even want to talk to them
@victorespino5650
@victorespino5650 Місяць тому
Peterson didn't let Destiny speak at all though lol
@dewaldpretorius5295
@dewaldpretorius5295 Місяць тому
@@victorespino5650no, it’s Destiny that doesn’t have anything to contribute. He’s an idiot.
@MagicToenail
@MagicToenail Місяць тому
Free speech protects you from the government and it has been like that since the dawn of this nation
@VampireLaura1997
@VampireLaura1997 Місяць тому
@@victorespino5650 right? He was shouting the entire time and interrupted him left right and centre. Super disappointed...
@martinja9953
@martinja9953 17 днів тому
You may not get it but this was the best debate ever. There was never better debate in terms of passion and world clashing.. and realizations. Proove me wrong. And get this.. they were not debating as “same side”.
@abourgeois2
@abourgeois2 17 днів тому
This was a beautiful debate! I love it
@jakethehuman7
@jakethehuman7 3 дні тому
When destiny talks I had to check my settings to make sure the speed wasn't at 1.25
@mckoolio1997
@mckoolio1997 Місяць тому
This Tyrion vs Tywin Lannister debate was too good
@dalnim4294
@dalnim4294 Місяць тому
LOL
@lovanah
@lovanah Місяць тому
Holy shit lol
@Neil.K
@Neil.K Місяць тому
😭😭😭
@indianspartan76
@indianspartan76 Місяць тому
I felt like I had seen this dynamic before and you just blew my mind
@laurietravels1188
@laurietravels1188 Місяць тому
Exactly 👍 lol 😂 Love this!!
@user-qn5nz3ve6x
@user-qn5nz3ve6x Місяць тому
These two guys could argue forever. The second half of this was gold. I'd love to see another one with these two. This was great. Round 2 please. Somebody make it happen.
@yupimawesome
@yupimawesome Місяць тому
Peterson said at the end of the conversation/debate that they will talk more.
@boogie8586
@boogie8586 Місяць тому
​@yupimawesome hm really? Are you sure about that bud? Hm? Are you confident? Yea? Feeling confident about what you just commented? Well I'll have you know, I lost my dad in a boating accident on 2/7/04 and after he died we went through his belongings and found out he had a child bride in Thailand. What a world!
@krappa1234
@krappa1234 Місяць тому
@@boogie8586 Ain no way bucco . @yupimawesome must be quakin in his boots rn
@boogie8586
@boogie8586 Місяць тому
@@krappa1234 yes I truly showed him and put him in his place, like the giga Chad I am, ofc😎😈
@Kleta
@Kleta Місяць тому
I do hope he brings mr. Borrelli back for a second round
@thomaswinzy
@thomaswinzy 3 дні тому
I've never seen Jordan like this. Have i not seen enough or is this uncommon? He handle each others "tactics" very well. Its like wisdom vs intelligence rap battle. (although they are both very intelligent)
@kihlgast8181
@kihlgast8181 9 днів тому
Best debate ive ever seen, and seems like both are more or less open to debate and hearing the other side. and the counters are good on both sides.
@kjuddy4522
@kjuddy4522 Місяць тому
All this conversation proved is you two should have 1,000 more. You both welcome disagreement and can overcome the generational gap. When’s the next episode…
@thorinhannahs4614
@thorinhannahs4614 Місяць тому
Most debates would benefit from multiple rounds of long form discussion. Unless your intent is to "win." Often times a chunk of the debate is just understanding what the other person is saying.
@TNTspaz
@TNTspaz Місяць тому
It's pretty rare to have two people in a room who understand this concept. Hopefully we get more. Took like multiple years to make this convo happen though@@thorinhannahs4614
@tedmonster66
@tedmonster66 Місяць тому
What info from "Destiny" was accurate and not liberal talking points?
@redeyesb.dragonite8562
@redeyesb.dragonite8562 Місяць тому
@@tedmonster66 So if you're making the claim all his info was incorrect, the onus is on you to provide the evidence, maybe show us something to tell us what was incorrect. Though also something being a talking point doesn't mean the info isn't inaccurate, I especially for talking points from the left, who prefer to actually reference scientists rather than whatever slop comes out of trumps mouth/twitter that morning.
@jonathanh761
@jonathanh761 Місяць тому
You had me until you said especially talking points from the left. That is absurd. Both sides routinely speak out their back end with no sources or research to back them up. Watch any politician on the left talk about firearms for an easy example. They have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. It's a massive err to think your side is more intellectual than the other side. Both sides have roughly the same proportion of smart intellectuals to dumb follow the narrative types because that distribution exists in the human species. One side doesn't draw more than the other. @@redeyesb.dragonite8562
@mirandashuwera3389
@mirandashuwera3389 Місяць тому
This needed to be 3x longer! IMO. It was extremely satisfying to see this conversation happen. Thank you to both Dr Peterson and Destiny. ❤
@joesecord3066
@joesecord3066 Місяць тому
Thank God it wasn't. Peterson really just talks a lot and could benefit from becoming more concise. Maybe you are a Peterson fan, and it wasn't as noticeable, but coming from Destiny's audience, it made many parts tough to listen to
@brockfg
@brockfg Місяць тому
​@joesecord3066 i am a regular destiny viewer and i generally disagree with you. The only times i feel like jordan needs to speed it up is when it is religious, due to my lack of interest.
@zephaniahnoahmusic
@zephaniahnoahmusic Місяць тому
IKR! Now I want Daily Wire+
@Lucabran9093
@Lucabran9093 Місяць тому
@@joesecord3066I really enjoyed Peterson. Although he got a little heated, it was coool to see him actually argue against destiny on shit that conservatives run away from when on destiny’s stream. Really really enjoyable.
@lumpyrex007
@lumpyrex007 Місяць тому
​@@joesecord3066 Destiny viewer here. I enjoyed. Acting like destiny fans are used to higher discussion is a joke. This is core destiny.
@IAmBatman1
@IAmBatman1 18 днів тому
Destiny sure trusts government
@snytty
@snytty 16 днів тому
This is one of the best discussions I've ever listened to.
@Alincoln333
@Alincoln333 6 днів тому
A regular discourse between these two figures would be a great service to world politics.
@MADDcartman
@MADDcartman Місяць тому
Impressed that JP’s community is receiving this well in the comments. Nowadays it seems a roll of the dice whether a community will receive such a contentious conversation. Impressed by these two gentleman as always.
@cocoblaze10
@cocoblaze10 Місяць тому
Sort by newest and you’ll see the anger behold you lol
@user-by6fp4ov3k
@user-by6fp4ov3k Місяць тому
Funnily enough, its the opposite audience that comes in rude, doing nothing reaponding to his points but just disparaginf his relationship. Destiny's audience is pruned over time to be the open ones. He has had debatea from communists to nick fuentes. They aren't going to be offended by peterson.
@broobit7540
@broobit7540 Місяць тому
​@@user-by6fp4ov3kcertainly not offended by jp. He was refreshingly good faith.
@fox1actual
@fox1actual Місяць тому
You can’t say the same for Destiny’s audience.
@bperez8656
@bperez8656 Місяць тому
Destiny wanted so badly to be right about vaccine harm denialism and was just out of his league.
@WTHFX
@WTHFX Місяць тому
This was actually one of the most interesting and dynamic debates either of the participants have engaged in quite some time. Kudos to both Dr. Peterson and Destiny for both giving as good as they got.
@SubvertTheState
@SubvertTheState Місяць тому
Right? I did not expect this level of conversation between a blue haired gamer and an exiled Psychology Professor.
@mikesmith9501
@mikesmith9501 Місяць тому
Exiled? You mean thrown out of the Canadian Cult? Because that's exactly what happened.@@SubvertTheState
@ec9313
@ec9313 Місяць тому
this was amazing
@GiltleyRage
@GiltleyRage Місяць тому
It's a gem amongst the debates, I hope it will go viral.
@subOceanofoilfilm
@subOceanofoilfilm Місяць тому
I think "thrown out" and exiled can mean the same thing lol@@mikesmith9501
@erictheviking844
@erictheviking844 7 днів тому
1:55:46 this is absolutely accurate. There is NOTHING worse than waiting for the justice that you believe you must face.
@randydiaz1880
@randydiaz1880 9 годин тому
Great debate would love to see a series of just you guys
@cheyrav5194
@cheyrav5194 Місяць тому
Mr Cincinatti was super respectful in this conversation, great talk.
@VarnoSlimm
@VarnoSlimm Місяць тому
Mr Martelli
@marthaimmer5675
@marthaimmer5675 Місяць тому
I spit out my coffee at this comment; I regret that I only have one like to give
@ryzikx
@ryzikx Місяць тому
Mr Spaghetti
@aries8910
@aries8910 Місяць тому
Imagine being a jp viewer and seeing all these dgg comments lol
@SJSharkByte
@SJSharkByte Місяць тому
@@aries8910the psyop is in full effect dggL
@dustinildefonso8160
@dustinildefonso8160 Місяць тому
This was probably the best "debate" conversation between these kind of people in a while
@habitat2990
@habitat2990 Місяць тому
I agree it was one of the best debates and the emotional hubris that represents the left Lost again!
@OhWellWhatTheHell1
@OhWellWhatTheHell1 Місяць тому
@@habitat2990 Dude, I feel like we were watching two different debates lmao. Destiny was doing his usual thing of rapid-firing facts and opinions, Peterson was hyper emotional, esp when they got to the climate change and vaccine stuff.
@spacecoyote55
@spacecoyote55 Місяць тому
​@@OhWellWhatTheHell1There was crazy emotion flowing from them both of them- they just show it so differently. It was very interesting to watch!
@unspoken7704
@unspoken7704 Місяць тому
@@OhWellWhatTheHell1 I don't know how many Russian bots are on this thread. Didn't Jordan Peterson go to Moscow for "detox"?
@lucasglowacki4683
@lucasglowacki4683 Місяць тому
Yeah! I miss debates. UKposts was full of them 6-7 years back!
@andreblignaut2567
@andreblignaut2567 11 днів тому
Great talk!
@jacksonyu7257
@jacksonyu7257 17 днів тому
I love watching level-headed people speak and listen to each other.
@ericlaffler2488
@ericlaffler2488 Місяць тому
Honestly, this is actually a great back and forth
@user-yk7bs7pl6v
@user-yk7bs7pl6v Місяць тому
In the sense Jordan is right on. ❤
@SubvertTheState
@SubvertTheState Місяць тому
He means Jordan was pushed against in the strongest of ways, you cannot distill the truth unless it is placed in the crucible of reality. They both outlined real problems with each other's ideas and I seriously benefited from it.
@myhatelect
@myhatelect Місяць тому
​@SubvertTheState no you didnt. You only think you did, nothing changes for you.
@XxZkilzxX
@XxZkilzxX Місяць тому
@@myhatelect im gonna touch you tonight
@TheMole402
@TheMole402 Місяць тому
Only if you know nothing
@qqqqqqiang
@qqqqqqiang Місяць тому
Always love to see a debate between Jordan Peterson and Tyrion Lannister
@criticalrick3496
@criticalrick3496 Місяць тому
Face like Tyrion, heart like Cersi, brain like Jamie
@bigboss4178
@bigboss4178 Місяць тому
FKIN LMAO IM DED
@mansplain3626
@mansplain3626 Місяць тому
Body like Varys.
@Knowbody42
@Knowbody42 Місяць тому
@@criticalrick3496 mouth like Ben Shapiro
@funhat900
@funhat900 Місяць тому
Holy crap Your right...
@bryku5697
@bryku5697 17 днів тому
I don't care what your political views are, this debate/conversation was incredible from both parties, loved it!
@mandyklasson2991
@mandyklasson2991 День тому
Destiny! Please agree to do another one of these! I would love to listen to you guys talk. I look up to you BOTH and would LOVE to listen to more of this!
@Frets49
@Frets49 Місяць тому
Petition to have multiple conversation between the two forming a playlist
@MinnaLewis
@MinnaLewis Місяць тому
I’d play it at night to fall asleep to.
@blackcatblues
@blackcatblues Місяць тому
I was literally about to comment, "Where do I sign the petition to have this be a weekly podcast?" Glad I wasn't the only one lol
@joshyray91
@joshyray91 Місяць тому
This!! 100%
@uncigirl
@uncigirl Місяць тому
Yes❤
@douglasjamesmartin
@douglasjamesmartin Місяць тому
yepyepyep
@Hades-vt8yd
@Hades-vt8yd Місяць тому
Great interview with Mr.Bodelli, one of my favourites.
@investoroncoke
@investoroncoke Місяць тому
Agree. They should do a lot more of these
@user-uw4bl6ru8v
@user-uw4bl6ru8v Місяць тому
Mr Burelli
@quaek
@quaek Місяць тому
People not familiar with the recent Finklestein incident (in which he constantly made up new names for Mr. Benulli) must be really confused by this comment section.
@user-uw4bl6ru8v
@user-uw4bl6ru8v Місяць тому
@@quaek yep
@comicsans6487
@comicsans6487 Місяць тому
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