He won this fight clearly what are people watching when they say Hagler won How, what rounds did he win?

@@Reese8531 he did win the late rounds but I didn't see a Hagler win. That's the point though. People see different fights when there isn't a KO/TKO.

@@Reese8531 Clearly the same fight you didn't know how to judge. I mean, where do we start, the excessive holding SRL did? He held when he was in trouble, he held when he would miss, he held at times for the sake of holding. Warned throughout the ENTIRE fight about his excessive holding. The non effective punches that were nothing more than gloves padding Marvins gloves and shoulders? Stealing rounds with combo flurry's that weren't punches and had no actual power behind them? Ray, ran, jabbed and held or rushed in, missed and held, flurried when he was getting beat down and ran back. It was the most pathetic performance I have ever seen any boxer display. I had always respected SRL, thought he was great, but I had never seen him cheat to win a fight. Watch this fight again digesting what I typed here and try to convince yourself that it isn't true.

no ​@@TechieTard no amigo tu ToronHagler no pudo ni con Duran ni con Sugar ..solo es un golpeador Sugar volvio de su retiro , subio a la categoria de Hagler y se paseo con el .lo dejo en ridiculo .fue mucho mas inteligente y estaba mejor física

@@TechieTard your exaggeration is funny. Cheating? Come on now. Your no fight fan. You can't be. You can't convince people to see the fight you seen. That's the beauty of it. I think srl won, but for those who think Hagler won I get it. Be cause when u don't knock the opp out you risk the judges decision and we all see different fights.

This fight is a work of art by Ray Leonard in my opinion. 🙂🥊🥊

Casuals tend to like toe to toe or “Mexican style” where you just sit there giving each other CTE for ten rounds. They like to call speedy defensive focused fighting “running” because their brains are smooth 🤷🏽‍♂️

@@chiarosuburekeni9325 That part.

@@chiarosuburekeni9325 Yes, I hate when they say he "ran" for 12 rounds or whatever. They simply do not understand the sport of Boxing. 🥊🥊

There is areason why we call it a fight night🤡🤡

Matadors don't hug or hold bulls.

PLUS THE RABBIT ABSOLUTELY REFUSED TO GO 15 ROUNDS -- AT THE END OF 12 HE WAS TOTALLY EXHAUSTED - HAGLER WAS READY TO FINALLY CATCH HIM -- THEN THE RABBIT BROKE OFF ALL CONTACT CONCERNING A REMATCH -- HE'S A TOTAL CHIKKENSH#T BUT HE WAS THE MEDIAS DARLING CHILD - DISGRACEFUL TO TREAT A CHAMP LIKE MARVIN LIKE THAT

Sugar Ray with his non effective, jaw dropping, crowd cheering flurry punching that did nothing other than hit Marvins gloves followed by hugs that even the Care Bears would be envious of. I have watched and re-watched and in slow motion and feel bad for the morons that thought Ray Leonard won, because they clearly weren't analyzing the fight, and Marvelous Marvin Hagler himself, for being robbed of a victory. Start of the 5th round, Marvin just walked him down the whole fight, and he did it beautifully. I'll never erase that 118 -110 score from my mind though.

@@TechieTard SIMPLY RIDICULOUS WASNT IT ?

Leanard wouldn't have fought hagler if he didn't agree to rays demands

What fight was you analyzing

Mayweather actually fought. Leonard held and ran the whole night, it was pathetic.

Mayweather fights like Leonard*

Because it was recorded on vhs. There’s only so much you can do to clean it up. If it was shot with film we’d be able to see it in hd but it is what it is

@@chiarosuburekeni9325 It exists in better quality for sure.

@@TheBest-sd2qf are you certain? It was the 80s. Tons of sporting events from that time were only shot on vhs. You’re saying there exists a copy of this fight that was shot on film?

@@chiarosuburekeni9325 the networks who covered ut must have a good quality copy. Also someone might have a tape they didn't watch too much.

With excessive hugging, how could he ever be in trouble? He literally wont the fight by cheating his way to victory via excessive holding.

I remember that time as I’m 56. Sugar Ray was manufactured along with many of his wins to create public interest and revenue. The authentic “Sugar Ray” had Robinson as his last name.

Leonard certainly landed more he just wasn't hurting Hagler but then again I don't think any boxer did hurt Hagler. I think this is why I like watching those brutal 3 rounds between Hearns and Hagler gives you a sense of how tough Hagler was.

That wasn't the reason many thought Hagler wont the fight. It was because Leonard held excessively throughout the entire fight. Now, if you didn't see that maybe you need eye surgery.

@@TechieTard Was it the second or third fight against Hearns… Leonard got knocked down three-times and got a split decision. Ray always got what he wanted, always.

Not “out foxed” but “out danced” by Leonard. It was a Las Vegas decision

@@rowdyrx6109 Leonard even landed the harder punches. Hagler just couldn’t get anything going.

@@rowdyrx6109Damn right. I mean, where do we start, the excessive holding SRL did? He held when he was in trouble, he held when he would miss, he held at times for the sake of holding. Warned throughout the ENTIRE fight about his excessive holding. The non effective punches that were nothing more than gloves padding Marvins gloves and shoulders? Stealing rounds with combo flurry's that weren't punches and had no actual power behind them? Ray, ran, jabbed and held or rushed in, missed and held, flurried when he was getting beat down and ran back. It was the most pathetic performance I have ever seen any boxer display. I had always respected SRL, thought he was great, but I had never seen him cheat to win a fight. I say to anyone to watch this fight again digesting what I typed here and try to convince yourself that it isn't true.

RIGGED, RIGGED RIGGED ... More fool hagler for agreeing to Leonard's terms.. more fool the judges who could not see past the flash small bursts of punches that mainly hit haglers gloves..and the corrupt one judge with his ridiculous score card.. Hagler was not the same after the mugabi fight taking on and beating a 22-0 with 22 knockouts... Leonard dodged hagler for years and knew at haglers prime would have been destroyed.... Hats of to Leonard.. he had a game plan but Hagler had to battle to get title shots whilst Leonard was the Olympics golden boy... Sad the Hagler is no longer around. .. hagler was definitely the GOAT and the best of the 4 kings

And the excessive holding, my gawd! He was warned damn near every single round and never had a point deducted!

noo sugar fue mas inteligente .hagler no pudo con Duran tampoco con Sugar . le gano a Hearns porq el flaco no tiene aguente y fue a la pelea cuerpo a cuerpo . es box es box .no solo goloear ..o acaso no viste a M Ali ?

Stick and jab!

I REALLY DIDNT THINK IT WAS THAT CLOSE -- LEONARD LANDED NO SIGNIFICANT PUNCHES -- WELL MAYBE ONE OR TWO -- REFUSED TO GO 15 ROUNDS -- INSISTED ON A BALLROOM SIZED RING & THEN RAN AWAY THE ENTIRE FIGHT -- LANDED NUMEROUS PITTY PAT PUNCHES THAT AMOUNTED TO NOTHING AT ALL -- THEN WOULD NOT EVEN DISCUSS A REMATCH -- THAT WAS THE BIGGEST THEFT IN BOXING HISTORY IMHO

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@@antoniopulga4189 INDEED -- HELPED THE RABBIT CREATE AN ILLUSION FOR THE USEFUL IDIOTS THAT HE WAS IN A CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHT -- SURE WORKED ON THE PAID OFF JUDGES & DIMWITS WATCHING TV

@@jimnagel5611 Don't forget the size of the gloves that Leonard asked for. They used pillows! Then to top it off, his excessive holding that would normally have gotten any fighter a point deduction. I'm not against the 'sweet science' bicycle method, but I am against cheating a fighter out of his victory via technicalities.

@@TechieTard AND IF YOU WATCH THE END OF THE FIGHT THE RABBIT WAS TOTALLY OUT OF GAS - MARVIN WAS READY TO GO INTO THE CHAMPIONSHIP ROUNDS -- WHERE I BELIEVE HE WOULD HAVE FINALLY CAUGHT THE RABBIT -- LEONARD KNEW HE COULD RUN FOR 12 ROUNDS - BUT ABSOLUTELY REFUSED TO GO 15 -- HE WILL ALWAYS BE A CHIKKENSH1T IN MY BOOK -- HAGLER WAS ROBBED THAT NIGHT & EVEN OJ KNEW IT

He should've landed a bit more if he didnt want to lose

hagler en su peso natural y con continuidad no pudo con Sugar ..sugar el torero y Marvin el toro...el torero toreo al toro ...Hagler nunca lo pudo agarrar . sugar mas inteligente y rapido .le ganó la mayoria de rounds

And Leonard landed more power punches, especially to the head.

Exactly and people are literally acting like that’s not what happened. If Marvin went to the body he may very well have won but Leonard controlled the mind of Hagler and made him fight with frustration. Leonard clearly won this fight he even punched himself off the ropes multiple times, trading with Marvin and winning the exchange

Facts but a lot of them acting like Hagler had Leonard hurt bout to knock him out

Hagler was not used to fighting a boxer like Leonard. In hand-to-hand combat he was the best, but against a fast and dancing boxer his strengths were not easily imposed.

@@javiercampora4113 well put

Truth

Good scoring but rounds 10 and 12 were so close. If you split them it’s 7-5 Leonard. Leonard had a huge flurry to start round 12

Yh. Hagler really should have been kicking himself when he gave away the first 2 rounds when he decided to fight out of an orthodox stance. If he didn’t do that there would be no controversy. Although there would also be no guarantee that he would win the first 2 rounds if he fought out of a southpaw stance.

The judges decide who wins a round by the catergories of .. ring generalship, effective aggressiveness, defense and clean punches. Two judges had it a little closer. Remember judging is opinion . By round most fans and judges had the fight 7-5 or 8-4 some fans Seoul’s have called it a draw . We could of had a trilogy with Ray and Hagler🥊🥊🥊

@@wolfgameing2377 this disparity would tend to prove that subjectivity (or dishonesty ?) is the main influence on the judgement. But I remember a famous case where you'd question the honesty of the judges - Holyfield vs Lewis I comes to mind, where one of the judges said "she saw Holyfield land more punches" (!)

Leonard danced around all night. That decision still pisses me off!

EXACTLY! That's not a champion, it's long been known and respected even amongst the judges that you don't give a boxer with a questionable performance the title. I will never get over how much Leonard held the whole damn fight, I have never seen anything like it from any boxer EVER! Then, to give a boxer that performed like that the title, that's just WRONG!

@@rowdyrx6109 It's one thing to box and move, or dance and fight, but this was just dance and run with the occasional padded flurry. Shoot, this was why De La Hoya wasn't given the victory over Felix Trinidad. Everyone knew he won, but he danced away from the fight and it wasn't seen as competitive. Yet here we have SRL, winning a CHAMPIONSHIP for fighting that way the whole fight. Simply disgusting!

​@@rowdyrx6109y que querias ? q se ponga frente a el a los golpes como Hearns .Sugar es Inteligente. lo boxeo y lo dejó en Ridiculo . Sugar gano la mayoria de rounds

​@@TechieTardwhat Sugar did its called stragety. clever. smart he is . hagler couldnt cacht him ...sugar outbox him...he made Hagler looked like an Amateur.

Duran didn't knock Ray Leonard didn't even have him in trouble lost the last three rounds of a close and still won so I guess this evened it out

Well, you clearly don't know a thing about boxing if 3 judges gave him more than 1 round. Maybe you should just enjoy the fights on youtube and leave the comments for people that actually fight or at least understand boxing.

@@TechieTard dude he lost it was over 30 years ago pipe down and I do fight so how about you know who you are speaking to before you talk. You looking real lost out here.

​@@TechieTardif you think Hagler won you don't know anything about boxing either

run and box ..SRL won the fight because he was Clever . Hagler simply couldn't cacht him

Julio Cesar Chavez VS Pernell Whitaker.

Same Julio Cesar Chavez vs Pernell Whitaker.

@@josedominguez7249 I love Chavez but he definitely got gifted a couple fights I think the fight against p was a draw but sweet p won I think

@@UpChuckTheBoogie Julio Cesar Chavez out jabbed Pernell Whitaker and blocked most of his punches with his gloves,I just don't understand how you can win a fight going backwards and running the whole fight. '''''''I love Chavez but he definitely got gifted a couple fights''''. What are the fights

@@josedominguez7249 I have to watch it again from memory I thought Whittaker won.i thought the Frankie Randal fight Richard Steele kind of screwed the kid from Philly I can't remember his name and didn't something happen the first time he found fought oscar

@@josedominguez7249 I thought p did a better job against Chavez than Leonard did against hagler once hagler actually started pressing Leonard he won most of the rounds he he fought like that from the opening bell he would have won easily

Leonard won or Hagler lost Simple

@@courthogan3140 Bruh🤣

agree 100% percent

Facts they just emotional

Perhaps maybe that night he out matched him but Hagler wanted a rematch and sugar ray never gave it to him. Hagler is a better fighter than sugar ray and his stats prove it. Haglers is legendary and always in superior shape but that night he was looking really tired and Hagler never punches that slow. He must have got tired from chasing this dude around the ring all night cause he ran the whole time

Leonard moved beautifully in this fight

@@mikespano6339 if he were a better fighter he should've won, and Ray did offer him a rematch he turned it down but on another note Tommy Hearns wanted a rematch why didn't Hagler give Hearns his rematch

Hi since your into fix fights there’s a fab film called The harder they fall. It stars Humphrey Bogart and Rod Steiger . It’s based in the 1950s about fixed fights ,fighters taking dives . Promoters and mangers making loads of money of the poor boxers. Ex heavyweight champs Jersey Joe Walcott and Max Baer appear in it a couple of times. It’s an excellent movie 8/10. Regarding the Hagler Leonard fight. Even though Leonard was a blown up welterweight compared to a natural middleweight in Hagler fighting in his comfort zone, Leonard won. Leonard boxing brain boxing skill and super fast hand speed beat haglers brute force. Brain beat brawn.