Tacx FLUX 2 Direct Drive Smart Trainer // GPLama Loop-Back Review

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Shane Miller - GPLama

Shane Miller - GPLama

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The TACX Flux 2 was first introduced back in 2019 and has been sitting in the queue for a Lama Lab Test for a few years now. Yes, it has been here a while. This week I finally unbox the now superseded FLUX 2 (replaced by the FLUX 2.1 / FLUX 2 2020) to see how it stacks up in August 2021 with the latest updates in the Lama Lab.
Video Index:
0:00 Intro
0:55 Tacx Flux 2 Introduction
1:44 Technical Specifications
3:16 Latest Firmware Information
3:32 Tacx Training App (Device Management)
4:04 Unboxing and Assembly
4:47 Sound Check
5:19 Zwift SIM/ERG/Sprint Tests
7:48 Data Analysis / Trainer Performance
21:03 Pros and Cons
23:47 Wrap-Up
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КОМЕНТАРІ: 86
@jeremysweeten2792
@jeremysweeten2792 2 роки тому
Had my Flux S since March & it’s flawless with TrainerRoad
@andreassiegenthaler9545
@andreassiegenthaler9545 2 роки тому
I compared the power of my flux 2.0 with my assioma duos with very similar results as in your test. The greatest underreporting was in ERG mode in the small front chainring, it did considerably better when in the big ring. Although the accuracy was within 1.5% when just riding around in Zwift with the “trainer difficulty” at 0%, even at higher power numbers. The accuracy seems to improve with higher flywheel speed,
@jeskli11
@jeskli11 2 роки тому
Good reloop, Shane! Could you do a similar video of some older generation(s) Elite Direto? Thanks.
@phil9503
@phil9503 2 роки тому
Found the same problem with mine, snatchy and all over the place. Great video
@frenzalrhomb1
@frenzalrhomb1 2 роки тому
Hey bud, this is a great idea for content
@DEXVD
@DEXVD 2 роки тому
Would like to see a loopback review on the Saris H3, its at the top of my list but the price has gone up this year.
@cusebike5391
@cusebike5391 2 роки тому
I found what the Flux is flawless at. It's now a doorstop in my attic. Good luck Garmin.
@trumptman
@trumptman 2 роки тому
Kickr Snap gen 1 and 2 please. I have mine and largely use it with a power meter but feel like it is pretty accurate even without the power meter. However it would be neat to see how it compares with some fresh 2021 perspective.
@MrJonnyb120
@MrJonnyb120 2 роки тому
👍Another great Llama video. Ps love those blue socks. What brand.
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
AliExpress socks. Search up cycling socks and they should come up. Only a few $.
@Bianchi77
@Bianchi77 2 роки тому
Nice video, how can I know it's Flux 2.1 or Flux 2 2020 ? How about T2980.68, which version is it ? thanks :)
@yvesmaczey9334
@yvesmaczey9334 2 роки тому
I hope there will be a loop-back review of the Flux S soon.
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
There's a few in the queue before I'd get to that.
@brendonh.2227
@brendonh.2227 2 роки тому
I don’t quite understand how a company that produces arguably the best trainer with the Neo series, can produce such a mediocre product line with the Flux series. Fingers crossed this lockdown is short, so you can see the sunlight again. I like this loopback theme on the older trainers.
@seanday8954
@seanday8954 Рік тому
Shane, I have a Magene t200 (which is a updated gravat2?), which is better, the flux 2/2.1 or Magene t200? Appreciate any response.
@andrewgordon6179
@andrewgordon6179 2 роки тому
I have the original flux and it works for my purposes it’s fine. Only problem is the Bluetooth connection can be doggy sometimes
@gregorybalint
@gregorybalint 2 роки тому
and i was willing to upgrade from the Vortex to this... guess i'm stick with the good ol' Vortex for a while. :)
@timday8899
@timday8899 2 роки тому
Would love a Saris Hammer loop back!
@derx6666
@derx6666 2 роки тому
Wairing for the loopback on the kickr core, as I'm on the verge of buying one to replace my AWFUL Elite Novo smart wheel-on trainer. That thing is unreliable, inaccurate, laggy, loud, and just plain bad. It got me through the winter, but I'm definitely replacing it before winter season. Kickr core is just within budget, but I've heard the good, the bad and the ugly, so I'm curious of what is actually true today...
@StuWebRT
@StuWebRT 2 роки тому
I had one which i sold to fund a flux 2.1, i am now just saving money for a new Kicker. even if you get a bad unit from Wahoo the support is very good and the issues were well.documented. the tacx experience that Mr Llama has just described was only just becoming apparent. and the gearing solution thing was just gob smacking. its a hard game unless you spend decent money or you are willing to accept a mediocre experience. If the only thing motivating you are the numbers then those numbers have to be consistant and reliable. this Tacx Turbo trainer offers neither when you want it most
@jahen65
@jahen65 2 роки тому
Hi Shane. I’m looking at purchasing a direct drive home trainer and I have looked at the Flux S… but is it good enough??? I’m not a light rider at 83kg and absolutely not a wattage bazooka… What will your suggestion be? I’m also looking at the ELITE Suito, Direto or the Flux 2… Best regards Jannik
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
My experience with the Flux range really hasn't been ideal. The third Flux 1 was ok (iirc).
@jahen65
@jahen65 2 роки тому
@@gplama Ok… Think I’ll go for a ELITE trainer then 👍 Thanks 😊
@andraslukoviczki519
@andraslukoviczki519 2 роки тому
@@jahen65 buy Direto XR, that is ~630-650eur, with accurate power with OTS (just dont forget to calibrate it regularly/weekly), the Suito is ~480eur but only with power estimation and this estimation is not the best, and already not allowed in (serious) Zwift racing. And i think it is a good step for virtual racing and fairplay, the ZwiftPower is still full with fake power datas from garbage trainers, and with pathetic users who think that sustain 5-6w/kg for 60mins is real...
@oldsquashmonkey
@oldsquashmonkey 2 роки тому
Tried using the Tacx Training app to update/ calibrate and that doesn't recognise my Tacx Ironman !
@FixTwisterFader
@FixTwisterFader 2 роки тому
Can you do a look back like that on the Elite Suito? Thanks for the content as always! :)
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
I'll see what I can do. That's one I haven't covered.
@Galaxieguy428
@Galaxieguy428 2 роки тому
You beat me to it. I'd love to see how's others suitos compare to mine. I had the original Kickr '14 and got this after it died. I feel like the smaller flywheel makes a difference on places like titan grove.
@abedfo88
@abedfo88 2 роки тому
I have the suito T and its been great, so much better than wheel on.
@Galaxieguy428
@Galaxieguy428 2 роки тому
My first Suito was replaced because of the knocking noise (bearing). New one is great. Compared to my rotor Inpower they are usually within 5 percent of each other. Seems like the read closer when I run the trainer difficulty between 80-100 percent on Zwift. However that leads to a lot more front ring shifting on climbs. It's pretty good at ERG except at wattages 150 and below, seems to read much higher than my Inpower
@jasonm3699
@jasonm3699 2 роки тому
@@Galaxieguy428 Yeah - I have a Core and a Suito side-by-side (we share 2 trainers between 3 of us) and the Suito's smaller flywheel makes a big difference on the rolling hills. It's much more of a "braking effect" versus "lost momentum" on the Core.
@fariqazaha6321
@fariqazaha6321 2 роки тому
Is there like a specific gear combination that these trainers will transmit the most stable reading at? I read somewhere that the flywheel spin needs to be high enough in order to get stable power reading. Is it true? For context, I'm using a 52-36 with 11-32 cassette, riding on a Kickr Core.
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
Usually it’s the small front ring and middle of the rear cassette. 36-39 on the front and 17 on the back. It’s about flywheel speed.
@fariqazaha6321
@fariqazaha6321 2 роки тому
@@gplama Would it matter if I use eg. 52-15 instead?
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
@@fariqazaha6321 As shown in this video, at high flywheel speeds the Flux 2 can't hold the correct set-point. I'll go with a no on this.
@fariqazaha6321
@fariqazaha6321 2 роки тому
@@gplama thanks! Stay safe Shane.
@dcolum23
@dcolum23 2 роки тому
Wait a second… this was on the 2.0, not the 2.1? I own the 2.1 trainer and have never experienced drop outs. The one concern that I have is putting out more power than is being registered… meaning a waste of energy. But I can’t say that’s the case with the 2.1
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
2.0
@dcolum23
@dcolum23 2 роки тому
@@gplama Gotcha. You'd think that some of the concerns you highlighted would be addressed in 2.1 ... especially since it's been out for a while.
@matteo-silva-1974
@matteo-silva-1974 Рік тому
Hi , could you recomend the purchase of latest version 2.1(for novice user) or shift to Neo version ? More expansive…choice
@gplama
@gplama Рік тому
The Neo range are better units. If budget isn't a problem, go with the Neo.
@elchram
@elchram 2 роки тому
Should I wait buying a trainer or buy the kickr core? When are the release dates of new trainers?
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
Typically around Eurobike (first week of Sept). The last few years haven’t been typical. I don’t expect many (or any) new trainers this year.
@elchram
@elchram 2 роки тому
@@gplama thank you!
@reinders86
@reinders86 2 роки тому
@@gplama There have been discounts for the Wahoo Kickr Core left and right the last month or so. I just bought mine for 670,- euro last month.... The price of this machine was always the same at 799,- euro. I would not be surprised if there's going to be a new one very soon.
@xDonola
@xDonola Рік тому
Hi 👋 How do you rate the build quality? (Like quality of the components, durability and assembly? Thanks and have a good day 😁
@gplama
@gplama Рік тому
It's a solid unit. Now backed with Garmin support.
@xDonola
@xDonola Рік тому
@@gplama Thanks for sharing your time, really appreciated. 😊
@multifrag
@multifrag 2 роки тому
Could you do a loop back on NEO 1?
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
That's possible. Looks like our lockdown is being extended here again this week...... so I have the time! :)
@neilbuckley5796
@neilbuckley5796 2 роки тому
@@gplama I’d be interested in that! I have a OG and it’s going on strong.
@IdolOracle
@IdolOracle Рік тому
Have there been any improvements to this device over the years? Because I get a heavy discount on Garmin devices through work (A lot of UK companies do now - so it's worth looking at your corporate perks! including blue light for any NHS) I can get this for £490 which is a big saving to the Kicker Core currently at £599 on Wiggle
@gplama
@gplama Рік тому
I’d still choose the Core.
@StuWebRT
@StuWebRT 2 роки тому
you forgot to include Garmin Tacx repsonse on these issues which is that you need use your gears to manage erg mode ranges. there is a document which the ranges of whats that you need to use with gearing. i went from a kickr 1 to this and soo dissapointed. will be dropping on a new kicker this winter
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
Do you have a link for this info? They didn’t supply it with the trainer.
@StuWebRT
@StuWebRT 2 роки тому
@@gplama It was a tacx link: Thanks for reaching out to TrainerRoad support. :) I'm sorry to hear about the troubles that you're having with your Tacx Flux. Let's see if we can get things to work a little better: Firmware - Firmware is involved in nearly everything that your trainer does, so it's important to keep it up-to-date. Let's ensure that the firmware on your trainer is up-to-date. Similarly, we should also make sure that the firmware is up-to-date on your Power Meter pedals. Calibrate - It's also important to make sure that we've recently calibrated both your Power Meter Pedals and your Trainer. We generally recommend calibrating both of them before each ride. Power Cycle - We can also go ahead and try unplugging your Tacx Flux for at least five minutes before plugging it back in. This can help to reset the trainer. Gearing - In order to maintain smooth, even power across all of your power zones, you should maintain a mid-ring gearing in the rear cassette, and either a mid (if you have three) or inner (if you have two) front chainring. Your chain should follow a straight path from rear to front. The Tacx Flux has a particularly tight range of wattages that it can produce based on the gear, check out this article for more information: Tacx FLUX Gearing [click] With this trainer, it may be necessary to change gears at some points.
@hermananwar1536
@hermananwar1536 2 роки тому
Sorry, any setting at tacx neo 2t for reducing the resistance ? as I feel that this is harder than riding on the road.
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
Make sure your rider weight is correctly set within the Tacx Training app (important if you’re using Zwift and Bluetooth). Next would be the trainer difficulty setting in Zwift.
@yousufkazmi7842
@yousufkazmi7842 2 роки тому
Kickr Core with Firmware 1.1.1 to PC using Bluetooth, but have had periods of ANT+ (long USB 3.0 for BT dongle to sit under the BB & towel ! ) Had to back off the over tight belt tension very early on after a trip up the Alpe and run a 100mm pointed at the electronics vents if I know I'm going to be riding hard, ie around threshold. I've done nearly 18,000 mikes on it and it feels great, don't do ERG so can't comment. Feel for the guys on Apple TV v1.1.1 was terrible for them .
@yousufkazmi7842
@yousufkazmi7842 2 роки тому
possible Irony, took 3 reboots to watch this, a windows crash, then it found 2 win 10 Updates at the first 2 reboots...
@baribari600
@baribari600 2 роки тому
My first smart trainer was a Flux 1. It worked well for a month or two and then caused a ton of headaches for several months until I finally managed to send it back to Wiggle. It's a truly terrible design compared to the Kickr Core.
@swapnil2620
@swapnil2620 Рік тому
Im using the tacx flux 2 smart trainer & facing the power drops issue while using in the training. Can u help me on this issue Thanks in Advance
@gplama
@gplama Рік тому
Best contact Garmin support.
@gabrielgrillo8050
@gabrielgrillo8050 2 роки тому
Pardon my ignorance, I am totally new to the bike world, am I going to buy a Tacx Flux 2, do I also need to buy a bicycle computer? I understand that no, right?
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
No. 👌🏼
@pam00088
@pam00088 2 роки тому
Perhaps Tacx could loop back to looking after their own customer service...
@williamwalmsley2940
@williamwalmsley2940 2 роки тому
What turbo trainer would people recommend for my TCR ADVANCED SL 1 DISC? The Wahoo Kickrs aren’t compatible as it has sram:( Anyone know of any alternatives?
@luismorales8701
@luismorales8701 2 роки тому
i use garmin original neo w my 2021 tcr without any problems
@williamwalmsley2940
@williamwalmsley2940 2 роки тому
@@luismorales8701 thanks:) just a bit unsure on it’s compatibility with trainers having seen the issues with the wahoo kickrs.
@5mattcolour
@5mattcolour 2 роки тому
Fond memories of Shane destroying the OG Tacx Flux 😂
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
The first was fun... blowing up the 2nd one of those was disappointing. 🤣
@5mattcolour
@5mattcolour 2 роки тому
@@gplama bet Garmin will be sweating seeing you posting another Flux unit review 😰
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
@@5mattcolour I don't think they'll sit through a boring-ass 24 minute video of a three year old trainer. 🤣
@thelmaviaduct
@thelmaviaduct 2 роки тому
Kickr or nothing, if you like a stress free life.
@colinSTi
@colinSTi 2 роки тому
Still no microspline body...
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
Not on this unit. The 2.1 and other 'native TA' Tacx units have a Micro Spine option. It's really bloody expensive though. (~AU$180)
@davidh7414
@davidh7414 2 роки тому
I had to buy a replacement HG Neo OG freehub recently to replace a dead EDCO hub. $130 AUD!!! from Garmin.
@Dirk406
@Dirk406 2 роки тому
When i do my workouts on this trainer it is so frustrating... You know that you are pushing to much, instead of the Z4 work you want to do you end up in Z5 and that's not how you properly train.
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
If power accuracy is important then you’ll need a power meter on your bike.
@dommasters1920
@dommasters1920 2 роки тому
ping 127.0.0.1 ;)
@MrKensh
@MrKensh 2 роки тому
gotta love those geek jokes!
@christopherbeattie263
@christopherbeattie263 2 роки тому
Kudos for still calling her Coco Cadence. W(ho)tf is Cara?
@gplama
@gplama 2 роки тому
They changed her name when they found out Coco Cadence is the name of an author who writes steamy novels. (no joke...!)
@christopherbeattie263
@christopherbeattie263 2 роки тому
@@gplama yeah I heard that story. So funny. My 3 year old (called Cadence) asks me if I'm riding with her everytime she sees me on zwift, so I'm happy either way. Just so long as they don't change her last name...
@cyc00000
@cyc00000 2 роки тому
These are complete heaps of shit. Power can vary by 60+ watts depending on what gear you're in and cadence VS a second power meter. People selling them are frauds. The ride feel is only good if you're happy with a 10-second delay. The unit crashes almost every time I use it. You may not expect perfection, you should however expect this heap of shit to actually work as expected. I use the on-bike power meter as the power source because this janky heap of junk is so unreliable.
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