Talismanic Magic in the Islamicate World

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We continue our exploration of the Occult Sciences by looking at the theory and use of Talismans in the Islamicate World.
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Sources/Suggested Reading:
Melvin-Koushki, Matthew & Noah Gardner (2017). "Islamicate Occultism: New Perspectives". Brill.
Saif, Liana (2015). "The Arabic Influences on Early Modern Occult Philosophy". Palgrave Macmillan.
Saif, Liana; Francesca Leoni; Matthew Melvin-Koushki & Farouk Yahya (2021). "Islamicate Occult Sciences in Theory and Practice". Brill.
Savage-Smith, Emily (ed.) (2004). "Magic & Divination in Early Islam". Ashgate Publishing.
Van Bladel, Kevin (2009). "The Arabic Hermes: From Pagan Sage to Prophet of Science". Oxford University Press.
"The Openings Revealed in Makka", al-Futuhat al-Makkiyya by Ibn 'Arabi. Translated by Eric Shu'ayb Winkel. Vol. 1. Pir Press.
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@scabbyscumbag
@scabbyscumbag 2 роки тому
I have watched all this man's content and have seen nothing but respect for all faiths described. He even covered Solomons face for our Muslim brothers. High quality, respectful treatment of the sacred.
@AazamPossum
@AazamPossum 2 роки тому
Sacred? Grow the f up. Who are you? Why should you get offended by education?
@omgdflea
@omgdflea 2 роки тому
@@AazamPossum lol WTF 🤣
@shizustormborn422
@shizustormborn422 2 роки тому
Hey uh Aazam you should probably get an education before you try typing
@asharabati
@asharabati 2 роки тому
Magic is not allowed, this is totally not allowed and prohibited... and anyone trying it he is out of Islam
@adnanjaved2909
@adnanjaved2909 2 роки тому
@@asharabati practicing it is prohibited, nobody ever said otherwise
@abdqs853
@abdqs853 2 роки тому
As a Muslim I feel like a lot of my brothers will come and trash all over the comment section. They probably will not have watched the previous video and are going to insert their assumptions in here. But Filip please don't be discouraged by them and spread knowledge as you always do. love your channel ❤😊
@LetsTalkReligion
@LetsTalkReligion 2 роки тому
That is very kind of you!
@johnsword8954
@johnsword8954 2 роки тому
It seems you are most concern about finding faults and accusing fellow muslims of something which hasn't happened yet. Well, why don't you just renounce your religion, I guarantee you, no body is gonna care.
@mokieth3456
@mokieth3456 2 роки тому
@@johnsword8954 you went all the way to asking people to renounce their religion instead of asking them to repent seems you proved him right Akhi.
@lionelchan1601
@lionelchan1601 2 роки тому
@@johnsword8954 Peace brother, The "Christian Hadith" about Prophet Isa's words on "dust motes and beams" seems apposite here. It might be true what you say about our brother's imperfection in Adab. If we can give him the benefit of doubt, perhaps Allah will give benefit of doubt for our own. Salaam.
@johnsword8954
@johnsword8954 2 роки тому
@@mokieth3456 That statement was meant for him to realize his mistake not to judge the entire ummah for what the few are doing. I didn't literally intended to ask him to leave Islam. have you heard of the thing called, reverse psychology? Wassalam and maasalama.
@miri283
@miri283 2 роки тому
I'm Muslim, and while my dad always taught me to never interact with 'black magic', I've always loved learning more about the occult. It's funny how Muslims back in the Golden Age of Islam dabbled in subjects that would make really strict Muslims in the modern day lose their minds lmao
@stevenv6463
@stevenv6463 2 роки тому
The thing that shocked me the most is how popular astrology was in the Muslim world. But the prophet (saw) did say it would never leave the ummah.
@zackxal6481
@zackxal6481 2 роки тому
not sure about it being "black magic" though, i'd like filip to correct me if he sees this comment but my guess would be that black magic is linked with the power seeked from the djinn, what filip is talking about here is mostly talismans linked with the power of god, now i'd agree that in the modern era for sure even the second one is considered bid'a (innovation) mainly because the salafi interpretation is the dominant one (or let's say more visible), i'm not sure what was the stand on it before, but regarding the first one (the black magic linked with djinns) i must say your dad is right, it's clearly forbidden and dangerous.
@stevenv6463
@stevenv6463 2 роки тому
@@zackxal6481 non Salafi groups are against this too with the exception of Quranic verses for some but I don't know what they say exactly about it.
@zackxal6481
@zackxal6481 2 роки тому
@@stevenv6463 yeah yeah i was actually talking about the ones with quranic verses, the ones with letters in symbols ...Ect i must say i didn't know nothing about it till recent weeks, it's kinda fascinating me but i don't really know what's the ruling on it
@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl
@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl 2 роки тому
@@stevenv6463 you do know that these times were infamous for there degeanrcy right? pederasty was for example a common and allowed thing
@michelleali-mohammed5264
@michelleali-mohammed5264 2 роки тому
As a Muslim, I really appreciate your video, it is exceptionally informative and the illustrations are so beautiful.
@theguyver4934
@theguyver4934 2 роки тому
What do you think of mystical christianity and I'm asking as a muslim
@bass9351
@bass9351 2 роки тому
So u still accept this satanic religion which that eye is of shaytan
@theovaissie2480
@theovaissie2480 Рік тому
@@theguyver4934 Christianity is the Religion so there are not such thing as mysticism cuz we know this is Satan. Plus thanx Jesus Christ we are totally everyday protected from Satan, BTW as the Quran said before.
@theguyver4934
@theguyver4934 Рік тому
@@theovaissie2480 Christianity is a beautiul faith and it deserves to be revied before its too late
@Iminsideyourwall_
@Iminsideyourwall_ Рік тому
@@theguyver4934 no
@MofrakosaurGaming
@MofrakosaurGaming 2 роки тому
I live in Alexandria. I once got in an Uber and the guy had so many Talismans! Many people have verses from holy books hung on their rear view mirror, and many have the Khamsa-we-Khmesa (our name for the hand of Fatimah). And its not just Muslims, but Christians too!
@AnnaGirardini
@AnnaGirardini 2 роки тому
I was raised Catholic in Northern Italy and the Hand of Fatima was a very popular talisman used for protection, in the 1990s. People knew it was of Islamic origin and used it anyway, with the idea that something that fights off evil is always something positive. Edit: grammar
@pabloescobar5371
@pabloescobar5371 Рік тому
@@AnnaGirardini Or the famous Nazar Boncuk/Nazar amulet (Blue Eye)
@chendaforest
@chendaforest Рік тому
Interesting. I'm not Muslim but there is something about Islamic tailsmans which are very appealing.
@MofrakosaurGaming
@MofrakosaurGaming Рік тому
@@bluegarson It's the hand with an eye in it. It isn't exclusive to Islam, but in Islam it is also commonly known as the Hand of Fatimah.
@yourfriends
@yourfriends Рік тому
Please remind your brothers and sisters in Alexandria that these are all not part of Islam and that using them is an act,of Shirk
@MoReal2
@MoReal2 2 роки тому
The way you hit the letters ح & غ is authentic man... I appreciate your work and dedication for perfection.
@lh384
@lh384 2 роки тому
I used to teach high school math, and I've seen and used Magic Squares in lessons. I had no idea they started out as actually magic devices. Wish I'd known that earlier - thanks!
@dianaahuche880
@dianaahuche880 2 роки тому
Ha haa...
@takima504
@takima504 2 роки тому
All math has esoteric history and meaning. Hebrew is math. It's all math......the language of the gods.
@sapphireemerald6882
@sapphireemerald6882 2 роки тому
So learning math is like learning magic?
@sapphireemerald6882
@sapphireemerald6882 2 роки тому
@@takima504 There is only one God. He is Allah. Hebrew is trash.
@MisstressMourtisha
@MisstressMourtisha 2 роки тому
@@sapphireemerald6882 in a way yes. Take sacred geometry for example. Everything has a frequency and can therefore be measured.
@VS-2002
@VS-2002 2 роки тому
The only bad part of this video is where it ends
@amhz007
@amhz007 Рік тому
Your Arabic pronunciation is amazing. i didn't expect to see a foreigner pronounce arabic this good simply because some of the arabic letters/sounds are missing in most languages especially in english language. you must put alot of work, time and effort.
@CG-zi5ku
@CG-zi5ku 2 роки тому
When you memorise names of God and verses of the Quran then your heart and mind become a 'talisman' and there can be no greater talisman than that!
@ummmOk
@ummmOk 2 роки тому
You said that so articulate and smooth!
@junaidmuhammed5740
@junaidmuhammed5740 2 роки тому
Agreed and accepted
@tahirdiallo9051
@tahirdiallo9051 2 роки тому
Then why recite the Quran, when it is already in your heart and mind? Would that mean that one who memorizes the quran should continuously benefit and get one hassanat for each letter?
@ioannadearc7901
@ioannadearc7901 Рік тому
@@tahirdiallo9051 Learn more about the human mind and how it works. Then you may learn to know the answer to your question.
@yourfriends
@yourfriends Рік тому
The mind does not become a talisman but rather Allah loves such a person. A person who Allah loves will certainly have Angels protecting him 24/7
@hanabakhouch8558
@hanabakhouch8558 2 роки тому
I just found your channel today and I'm already binge watching! I wanted to thank you for being so respectful while tackling such a controversial topic. When I was a child, my grandma would always fill my pockets with black sesame seeds (habbat-al-baraka) to protect me from the evil eye and I would jokingly eat them. I also used to have a small pocket sized Quran in a leather pouch to carry all around me. I also had (and still have) Khamsa Pendants and an eye one. My grandfather, who studied in the Zaytouna mosque would write me and my sisters tiny scrolls with Quran verses or prayers. On Eid Al Adha my dad would dip his hand in the blood of the freshly slaughtered lamb and make a Khamsa on the wall for blessing. In my country (Tunisia) we gift nee Borns Talismans in the form of fish or fish tail and even an Antilope horn.. I could go on forever. This video really unlocked these precious childhood memories and it is so sad to me that this is almost dead seeing as how taboo the topic of magic is. Thank you for reconnecting me to a heritage and a home I so dearly miss.
@TurboFisto7
@TurboFisto7 2 роки тому
Hi Hana
@AliAzzouzi
@AliAzzouzi Рік тому
1:17 in Arabic the word ( Sihr ) it feels like far more powerful and scary than the translate to English (Magic) we all used to see someone show us some magic tricks and we call it (magic ) but (Sihr) in Arabic it feel like it directly related to the demon (Shayāṭīn ) or something very bad !
@emanuelosuna9394
@emanuelosuna9394 2 роки тому
The Hamsa and evil eye were one of the protection talisman of Ishtar, and coincidentally it’s also the Abhaya Mudra of protection and fear dispersion that Heavily associated with Lakshmi in dharmic traditions.
@moazamali5921
@moazamali5921 2 роки тому
Can u tell me the meaning of goat and scorpio symbol
@emanuelosuna9394
@emanuelosuna9394 2 роки тому
Moazam Ali I’m not entirely sure of the exact deific origins of those motifs. I do, however, know the astrological correspondes of Capricorn and Scorpio respectively. Capricorn generally deals with the material, and discipline, human limitations and Karmic contracts being a sign influenced by Saturn, in the major arcana of tarot the devil represents it. Scorpio is ruled by Mars, the warring god and is usually seen the personification of change,it deals with human instincts(survival mainly) as well as the chthonic aspect of the psyche and sexuality, and the Death arcana represents it. Hopefully this sheds enough light to that question
@emanuelosuna9394
@emanuelosuna9394 2 роки тому
Surya Tchandra, thanks, as a student of the spiritual and esoteric, I always try to find the universal correspondence of the deities of all cultures, with goddesses in specific. And with Lakshmi being a Venusian deity, the connection with Ishtar and such goddesses became apparent, specially with her origin story not too unlike Aphrodite’s having both emerged from an oceanic source.
@CCCP_Again
@CCCP_Again 2 роки тому
Fascinating
@mnts9101
@mnts9101 2 роки тому
Trank you Emanuel, Props. Not a lot of people know this. In turkey we think the blue eye protects you. It cames from the sumerian babylonian tradition. So it calls the devil. The eye Never protects you, it watches you. ANNUIT COEPTIS NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM
@matthewlawrenson7508
@matthewlawrenson7508 2 роки тому
I travelled to Senegal in the 80s and witnessed many people with lslamic/voodoo talismans. The culture was part of the fabric of the village.
@sallalkhalifa9330
@sallalkhalifa9330 Рік тому
You're absolutely right I live in senegal and this knowledge is still part of the esoteric schools
@saddiqfavors1693
@saddiqfavors1693 9 місяців тому
No such thing as islamic voodoo.
@jeffbrownstain
@jeffbrownstain Рік тому
Ten years ago this information was nearly impossible to find if you didn't read and speak the languages most of these ancient texts referenced are written in. Amazing how far we've come.
@raizeld3294
@raizeld3294 2 роки тому
As a math nerd, it never occurred to me to associate magic squares with actual magic beliefs.
@lionelchan1601
@lionelchan1601 2 роки тому
Written talismans that you eat, hang over things, etc, is identical to how Daoists did things. Daoists also burner parchments with particular ideograms on them to "activate" them.
@matthewadun7104
@matthewadun7104 2 роки тому
You are deep than deep itself! You are right on point about talismanic magic. Also, you research sand divination especially from North Africa and Sahel. These things are real.
@g.bryant8806
@g.bryant8806 2 роки тому
He briefly touched on sand divination in the video that preceded this one.
@x.r.d7744
@x.r.d7744 2 роки тому
And its demonic
@sirclassics_uk
@sirclassics_uk 2 роки тому
@@x.r.d7744 what's demonic?
@lavish_1717
@lavish_1717 2 роки тому
@@x.r.d7744 What’s demonic ?
@MoroccanAnwar
@MoroccanAnwar 2 роки тому
@@x.r.d7744 yep satanic
@kucingnumpakalphardasli8178
@kucingnumpakalphardasli8178 Рік тому
As a moslem living in Indonesia, I can confirm that using talisman for various purposes is very common here, from the most basic one like a paper with Ayatul Kursi inscribed in it to more 'advanced' one like a piece of animal skin imbued with a lot of arabic chants, verses from Quran, and sholawat.
@user-fl5mq9kp7g
@user-fl5mq9kp7g 2 місяці тому
The goblins and the Yemeni merchants: You know that the magician is making you a servant of Satan, and if you try to return, he will kill you
@somehowidk6954
@somehowidk6954 2 роки тому
thank you for your dedication, the amount of knowledge i get from you is insane. Thank you, truly !
@niji_no_saki
@niji_no_saki 2 роки тому
I've seen similar thing in Thailand done by my devout Buddhist friend. He'd go to the temple and ask a monk for protective talisman. The monk wrote something in Sanskrit on the headliner of his car. He happens to be on the road a lot
@sajitmohammad9168
@sajitmohammad9168 Рік тому
Jin... Who worship devil.
@PlanetHell67
@PlanetHell67 Рік тому
Thailand is probably the most superstitious country in Asia, if not the planet... I've seen a lot of weird stuff there, unlike it's neighboring countries, they aren't shy about it,
@rutvikrs
@rutvikrs Місяць тому
The origin of magic squares is Sanskritic culture. I treated this video as perhaps a parallel tradition until he mentioned childbirth. Definitely a Hindu thing.
@samratv1986
@samratv1986 2 роки тому
I am both happy and sad that I found this channel recently. Sad that I haven't found it before, and happy because I have so much content to listen to. Thanks for enlightening us my friend.
@laylaoresme6704
@laylaoresme6704 2 роки тому
Your videos never disappoint. I love that you share your knowledge of magic in such a sober way. Btw, the healing bowls were fascinating!
@instawolfy_moans
@instawolfy_moans 2 роки тому
You are doing a nice job as well Layla would love to see more of your videos😊
@laylaoresme6704
@laylaoresme6704 2 роки тому
@@instawolfy_moans that’s very kind of you! I’m aiming to put out a video every Sunday 🙏🏼🤍
@instawolfy_moans
@instawolfy_moans 2 роки тому
@@laylaoresme6704 nice , are you on instagram ?
@teethgrinder83
@teethgrinder83 2 роки тому
They really were fascinating but for me it was the shirt that had a big impact for some reason, when I saw it I literally said "whoa" out loud lol
@cat_pb
@cat_pb 2 роки тому
Filip! This was great!! Thank you ☺️ once again for sharing your knowledge! Btw the music in the background of the videos are 👌👌👌🤩
@ralvi-yy2qs
@ralvi-yy2qs Рік тому
It's so deep.... Literally gave goosebumps through out the whole sessions 😳👀
@mohammedhassan6008
@mohammedhassan6008 2 роки тому
Brother your tajweed of the Arabic haroof is immaculate. Respect
@ruxanajewoon517
@ruxanajewoon517 2 роки тому
Probably been studying arabic
@abrahamgarza537
@abrahamgarza537 2 роки тому
Thank you! I really enjoy your work and look forward to more of your content.
@aliasrehbar9693
@aliasrehbar9693 2 роки тому
Magnificent work as usual! Thank you for the insight.
@adibeganovicbosnia584
@adibeganovicbosnia584 2 роки тому
I really respect how U take a great care about using a terms and sense of word's U have very wide knowledge about islamic semantics! Respect
@adibeganovicbosnia584
@adibeganovicbosnia584 2 роки тому
Ps;I'm born in Bosnian Muslim family so...
@klana6755
@klana6755 2 роки тому
Looking forward for the episode you will make about the science of letters. Can you possibly include a comparative analysis with other religions like Judaism, and other religions who also emphasize the power of letters, alphabet and words/sounds?
@marcyanus1430
@marcyanus1430 2 роки тому
yes, that would be very interesting. especially the use of the number 786 among indo-pak muslims.
@rowshanarasahar56
@rowshanarasahar56 2 роки тому
@@marcyanus1430 yes
@gimlam5909
@gimlam5909 2 роки тому
@Xanthum Gum But look at 8:35 : Before computer was, Debian was.
@Sasha-ut1yc
@Sasha-ut1yc 2 роки тому
Good request for new video! I came across this video this week, thought it was something incredible and refreshing to hear about christianity today during these difficult times today. Its definitely worth a watch! ukposts.info/have/v-deo/gmKSZo5sqaKjzGw.html
@lionelchan1601
@lionelchan1601 2 роки тому
...and numbers. I just watched the movie "Pi" again last night, not perfect but good value fun. Salaam.
@toffeem944
@toffeem944 2 роки тому
Thank you for all the efforts went into this.
@Noname-vb8me
@Noname-vb8me 2 роки тому
I love how collect information and they are always right to the point!! Thank you 🙏
@karpuzir
@karpuzir 2 роки тому
Another great one. I remember as a little kid, we used to own one of the magic bowls in our house. My grandma would fill it with water and put hot coal pieces in the water and then use the water to sprinkle our faces when we felt bad. This was usually done after we would have guests over so that we were protected by the evil eye. It really worked 😂 The bowls in our region are called Quran tas which translates into Quran bowl and its because they are adorned with verses of the Quran on them. Thank you for your time
@dpc3324
@dpc3324 2 роки тому
How does someone get affected by the evil eye? I don’t really understand it
@Knobsmacker
@Knobsmacker 2 роки тому
@@dpc3324 They believe you get bad luck/cursed when someone envies you. Evil eye describes the look of envy/contempt that transfers the bad energy.
@anindyakrishnamurti5787
@anindyakrishnamurti5787 2 роки тому
@@Knobsmacker In Indonesia and Malaysia people called it "sakit ain" meaning sickness of eye,
@mind49divinelight39
@mind49divinelight39 2 роки тому
Evil eye is actually a fact in islam muslims should believe it
@mind49divinelight39
@mind49divinelight39 2 роки тому
"The evil eye brings man to his grave and a camel into the cauldron" Qurtubai hadith
@hafizzainudin92
@hafizzainudin92 2 роки тому
This is great content. In Malaysia Islamic community, we have an example of consumed 'talisman'. Water is placed in front a group of people reading one of chapter in Quran (Surah Yasin). The water is later drank in small quantity throughout the week.
@tomonoheya2625
@tomonoheya2625 2 роки тому
I think some part of Indonesia did it too.
@SI-ln6tc
@SI-ln6tc 2 роки тому
What us this custom call in Malay (or Indonesia) language?
@harisjutt69
@harisjutt69 2 роки тому
I don't think this is talismanic it's just a practice we have done since the time of the prophet. It blesses us and protects us from shaytan. We do it in Pakistan too not as often though.
@wow-oq6jc
@wow-oq6jc 2 роки тому
It is not fard. Not all muslims do it, but some.
@lunarvlogs7319
@lunarvlogs7319 2 роки тому
We do this in my house too
@LinkolnG333
@LinkolnG333 2 роки тому
Love this series so far! 🙏🏽
@Akuu378
@Akuu378 2 роки тому
I have been fascinated with Solomon's seals and magic squares for a while since I keep encounter it in many talisman designs from different regions: US, Middle East, Chinese, Malays, Batak. Now I understand the meaning and history behind it. Thank you so much!
@davidcheater4239
@davidcheater4239 2 роки тому
Thank you for this interesting presentation. I'll go back and watch the bit I missed at the beginning.
@Dima-px6pr
@Dima-px6pr 2 роки тому
ukposts.info/have/v-deo/hJF2jK2af4uYk5s.html This is the black magic
@WanderingCabbage
@WanderingCabbage 2 роки тому
Talismanic magic and works involving jinn (both benevolent and malevolent) are common across so much of the world yet almost wholly unknown in the West. Thank you for spotlighting these on your channel, which I've just discovered and am enjoying very much.
@tolovethyneighbour
@tolovethyneighbour 2 роки тому
Your videos are really helpful. Thank you for putting in the effort.
@ihabalwash5829
@ihabalwash5829 2 роки тому
These things are very very prevalent in my home country of Iraq especially in the more rural areas and people pay a whole lot of money for the "authentic" ones from rings with special kinds of rocks on them serving different purposes to the healing bowls to various protective talismans , BTW most of these practices and ideas have been ingrained in the culture for thousands of years way before Islam.
@42flyingphish
@42flyingphish 2 роки тому
That was really cool. My ex had a khamsa necklace and I liked it so much I got my own. I didn't know the extent of it as a talismans. So this was great knowledge to take in. Thank you
@Chanicle
@Chanicle 2 роки тому
Excited for this, your videos are fantastic!
@LetsTalkReligion
@LetsTalkReligion 2 роки тому
Thank you!
@Dima-px6pr
@Dima-px6pr 2 роки тому
This guy does black magic ukposts.info/have/v-deo/hJF2jK2af4uYk5s.html
@littleandre4957
@littleandre4957 2 роки тому
@@Dima-px6pr he said he DID black magic. All religions' mysticism actually does black magic.
@CouncilofNiceEars
@CouncilofNiceEars 2 роки тому
Superb material, thoroughly enjoying this series touching on very taboo topics pertaining to occultism within famed Islamic eras. Can’t wait for the next instalment.
@joshuabarker5703
@joshuabarker5703 2 роки тому
Moses' brother's (Aaron) wooden staff with copper snake wrapped around it became a talisman for the Hebrews, which apparently even budded. There's also Apocrypha writings in book of Jubilees I think which explains a woolen fleece talisman passed down from Adam's son Seth, and lost after the flood in Noah's time. Sounds familiar to the story of Jason and the magic Golden fleece
@eyelessjack_
@eyelessjack_ 2 роки тому
I look forward to this!
@yaoifan420blazeit4
@yaoifan420blazeit4 2 роки тому
loved your last vid about islamicate occult sciences, so i can't wait to give this one a watch when i find some time!
@Dr-Explorer
@Dr-Explorer 2 роки тому
Thank you for such detailed research and explanation
@muhdzafri7551
@muhdzafri7551 2 роки тому
Wonderful video Filip! As a muslim, I still don't know the rulings for these 'magic' practises but it is a very interesting topic and now I have to wait perhaps one more week for another video... Good content!
@amun1040
@amun1040 2 роки тому
Great video, you should make another one on demonic possession and exorcism in the Islamicate World. It's such a rich topic that will be very exciting for your viewers.
@RM-ex1gn
@RM-ex1gn 2 роки тому
Another fantastic video Filip! Every time you upload you make my day :)
@aaaaguvk6110
@aaaaguvk6110 2 роки тому
Sir can't even imagine how that much grip any person have on such a vast subject,salute u
@rotterdammer2014
@rotterdammer2014 2 роки тому
Thank you very much. I grew up with most of this practices, but i didn't understood it at the time as a child because most of this goes against islam as shirk. This one and the last one before this is very good.
@scharp1
@scharp1 2 роки тому
Talisman indeed includes "science". The other day I read about a specific one made with numbers and those numbers were actually astrological let also the ones with planets names. So it's fascinating how the old ages had this curiosity of discovering the new realms.
@khalidirfan7028
@khalidirfan7028 2 роки тому
It's so good I'm fond of your series 😍
@MasterMetaphysician
@MasterMetaphysician 2 роки тому
Exquisite presentation of "Talismanic Magic in the Islamic World"!!! I have studied broadly the spiritual traditions around the world, contrasting and comparing. I'm an astrologer, numerologist, Metaphysician, which boils down to the study and practice of "symbolism" and "symbolic knowledge". Therefore, I quite understand, that just like the study of any kind of discipline and its symbols, one comes to a deeper and deeper understanding as one practices one's particular discipline and its own "talismanic Magic". Thank you for a very refined presentation and pronunciations!!!
@teethgrinder83
@teethgrinder83 2 роки тому
Love your vids, so glad I found them through watching "religion for breakfast"-thank you algorithm lol I'm an atheist but I'm really interested in the history, sociology and thinking around religion because it's been an integral part of the human experience since before records began and your vids are really informative so thanks!
@lionelchan1601
@lionelchan1601 2 роки тому
Re: the vintage of the Khamsa, the hand with an eye on it recalls Greek legends, eg. the old women Perseus goes to to to seek advice on his quest. A Western Pagan, Marie Cachet, writes about how this sumbolises the midwife, whose ability to "see" via the sensitivity developed in touch is a vital part of the intergenerational health and healing of any people's.
@lionelchan1601
@lionelchan1601 2 роки тому
@LittlefootwithAlopecia Peace, And thanks for the thanks... Midwives as the original psychopomp and masters of the liminal space. If developmental hiccups are increasingly in frequency, it is through their hands we can seek His help to arrest the problem. Marie Cachet has much to offer. She has a video on "the role of women" that is most eye opening. The fact she is married to alt-Right hero Varg adds even more to the integrative possibilities. Salaam.
@jubanumidia8460
@jubanumidia8460 2 роки тому
Greek pagan took everything from semitic mythologies , khamsa related to pheonician godess Tanit
@lionelchan1601
@lionelchan1601 2 роки тому
@@jubanumidia8460 Peace Friend, That's interesting, and it doesn't sound unlikely. Nevertheless, for us to make contact with the Real underneath these symbols, we must proceed via whatever we have. For better or worse, for the modernised world, that is via the Hellenic. Salaam.
@sid_husseni
@sid_husseni Рік тому
reminds me of the Oracle Leonidas sees in the movie 300 eyeball in the palm of their hand
@erikarredondo6470
@erikarredondo6470 2 роки тому
Fantastic work thank you for making our evening's more enjoyable
@taha258
@taha258 2 роки тому
I have so much admiration for the time you take to chose the right words.
@pablo6733
@pablo6733 2 роки тому
I love your channel! I'm very interested in ancient literature and I always look to your videos to discover great writers, poets and thinkers that I had never heard of. It's a shame that here in the so-called West, Arabic and Persian literature is so underapreciated. Every time I see one of your videos (specially those concerning some of those thinkers from the Golden Age of Islam) makes me get mad / sad that it's been so long in my life that I never heard of these works. Hope your channel keeps growing and reaching many more people! Also, I was wondering if you could recomend (here or in the future) some of your favorite works of literature. Cheers!
@Xelann
@Xelann 2 роки тому
I see some muslims are hostile but remember this video is for educational purposes, not whether magic is haram or not.
@robertschlesinger1342
@robertschlesinger1342 Рік тому
Excellent video. Very interesting, informative and worthwhile video.
@Naqvioski
@Naqvioski Рік тому
As a quote-unquote born twelver it is amazing to view your take on subject matters from an academic point of view. Practices that might be deemed surreal or borderline occult are everyday and matter of fact in a lot of places. Carry on doing such great work. Thank you!
@badart88
@badart88 Рік тому
These are forbidden in islam, asking help of shaitan
@captainprice2331
@captainprice2331 2 роки тому
For those who are misunderstanding islamicate as islamic, in Islam any kind of of "magic"(not necessarily Sihr) is prohibited in whatso form, whether it is amulets, paintings, drawing etc. Whereas islamicate is just poiting towards cultural and social structure of isalmic regions and not islam!
@pilartobala9901
@pilartobala9901 2 роки тому
I received a “pocket” made of rabith leader with seeds inside and cottons of diferent colors hanging outside and it is for the entrance of my home. A muslem family gave to me in Tunes. Bendiciones Filip desde México 🇲🇽!
@halilemrekocalar6537
@halilemrekocalar6537 2 роки тому
Be careful with it. Seems as a magic practice
@junaidmuhammed5740
@junaidmuhammed5740 2 роки тому
And what do you make of it?
@SI-ln6tc
@SI-ln6tc 2 роки тому
Where did the family come from? Is Tunes in Mexico? 🙁
@pilartobala9901
@pilartobala9901 2 роки тому
@@junaidmuhammed5740 Is in the entrance of my studio.
@pilartobala9901
@pilartobala9901 2 роки тому
@@SI-ln6tc Tunes is in África, Far from Mexico
@dariaabdul7797
@dariaabdul7797 Рік тому
I really appreciate that you covered the face of Solomon when talking about him as islamic prophet. It's very respectful
@johnnyrosado1364
@johnnyrosado1364 2 роки тому
I love ur videos u are a great teacher and ur Arabic grammar and pronunciation is on point...
@elfarlaur
@elfarlaur 2 роки тому
I recognise a few of these things from my studies of magic in the Christian middle ages. Once Arabic sources started being translated into Latin, many of these texts became popular in Europe. The Picatrix was extremely controversial amongst Christian scholars as some thought it was useful and others thought it was demonic.
@loubloom777
@loubloom777 2 роки тому
Yes, this was discussed in his previous video "Introduction to the Islamicate Occult Sciences".
@miguelitojones8252
@miguelitojones8252 2 роки тому
Can't watch the premiere sadly. I am so ready for this video though.
@visionplant
@visionplant 2 роки тому
So excited to watch this!!!
@singingdeniser156
@singingdeniser156 2 роки тому
Very informative. You always speak with great respect for all Faith’s or Religions. Shukrun! (Thank You)
@afnanalsharif
@afnanalsharif 2 роки тому
Looking sooo much forward for ur amazing lessons whether ur a Muslim Christian or whatever ( not anyone’s business though )Allah will inshalla grant blessings in life and after life for this great englightnent to everyone yearing to understand
@wanderingRebel69
@wanderingRebel69 2 роки тому
He said before hes Christian
@art-ificialblon-die7013
@art-ificialblon-die7013 2 роки тому
@@wanderingRebel69 i think he said he was culturally christian, but at this point, he doesn’t have a particular tendency to participate in the beliefs and practices any specific religion. In other words, he’s an agnostic. Edit: in this third Q&A video, he confirmed that he is a cultural christian, but he doesn’t adhere to its theological doctrine and practices, however, he does believe in a personal conception of god, which he pays tribute to in his own way, detached from any direct affiliation with religious traditions that we know of. So, correction: he is not agnostic. He is a gnostic. Not a practitioner of Gnosticism, I’m assuming, but someone who relates to the more literal meaning of a gnostic - someone who gains gnosis (divine knowledge/wisdom) via personal experiences and connections with the divine.
@gautamramlochun850
@gautamramlochun850 2 роки тому
But your Allah hates non Muslim, am Hindu, I pray to idols and in his perspective am a Kuffar and Mushkrin, how will your Allah bless me? Lol
@FreeJerusalemFilm
@FreeJerusalemFilm 2 роки тому
@@gautamramlochun850 he doesnt hate non muslims. only idiots he despise.
@Mikhail.Tolstykh
@Mikhail.Tolstykh 2 роки тому
@Justinthe Comments are you a muslim ? No Is politeism.the worst of sins ? Yes Dp you understand islam to actually do such claims ? Clearly not. If you speak of hate you dont even understand the concept of god in our religion. Ask...there are a lot of muslims.to explain it to you
@miriambohm1141
@miriambohm1141 2 роки тому
I'm a muslim trying to be a suffi living in Algeria ...and i just wanted to thank you for all the knowledge in your videos .... You're awesome dude !!!
@lazeroad
@lazeroad 2 роки тому
You' want yo be Sufi ?why dont you, joint kpop !!!!
@illumiNOTme326
@illumiNOTme326 2 роки тому
Great video man very fascinating!
@shuhubrafik1411
@shuhubrafik1411 Рік тому
Love your show ,well researched thank you
@warboats
@warboats 2 роки тому
On that talismanic shirt i noticed what i think were hexifoils (the geometric, compass drawn patterns on the shoulders), this is interesting because in england there are numerous examples of these carved into the stonework of medieval churches, sometimes a single one of these churches will have more than a dozen examples. Their purpose and origin are a bit mysterious but the prevailant theory is that they were carved by churchgoers in medieval times precisely as a kind of apotropaic magic or ritual protection marks. Excellent video, thankyou, Arabic calligraphy lends itself beautifully to objects of this kind, the level of detail is outstanding, the letters are so crammed together yet remain so elegant, you really do get a sense of their power just by looking at photos.
@SI-ln6tc
@SI-ln6tc 2 роки тому
Thank you.
@alirezaghadimi7873
@alirezaghadimi7873 2 роки тому
It worth mentioning is "Hirz al-Jawad" which is a common amulet between Iranian Shiat which is being worn as a ring. The Talisman is referred to 9th Shiat imam Mohammad Al-Jawad. Also "Sharaf o-Shams" (honor of the sun), is a talisman written on the back of a yellow quartz stone only in one night (around the month of April) in the whole year. The talisman is very similar the seal of Solomon you showed here
@shahrarti
@shahrarti Рік тому
What is the purpose of wearing the hirz-al-jawad ring? Is it for protection or something else? Also, can you speak more about the sharaf-o-shams? What is that stone worn for? I never saw such things as magic but more as a written form of a du'a. How are they viewed in the shia world?
@alirezaghadimi7873
@alirezaghadimi7873 Рік тому
​@@shahrarti You are completely right, Hirz-al-Jawad and Sharaf-o-shams are originally written as a prayer. But the applications are more like a talisman which first should be prepared with a specific ritual and second only carry them with you benefits you like a protective spell. While the prayer should be recited and will work through the heart of the person reading it (unlike the spell which the reciter might not even know the meaning of the words he's saying). Hirz-al-Jawad is a prayer that will be written on a very small piece of paper and sealed in a silver ring for the person to carry. Sharaf-o-shams (meaning: the honor of the sun) is also the prayer which will be written in a strange script that is not Arabic on the back of the yellow agate gemstone, this process must be done all in one special night (I think it April 8th but I'm not sure) and in only from the sunset to sunrise. The gemstone can be used later on as a silver ring for men or a necklace mostly for women. The purpose of wearing these two is not clear to me as well but it is believed that wearing them will protect you from natural causes and also help you to have an easier transition to the afterlife. Looking at the yellow agate gemstone is believed to enhance eyesight. (PS: I don't believe in none of these superstitions)
@alicegoggins3730
@alicegoggins3730 Рік тому
Love your work please talk more about esoteric sciences or information about it in more detail please 🙏
@powasjington4262
@powasjington4262 2 роки тому
You are interesting and you have good and accurate information. Keep up the good work.
@craigthebrute2848
@craigthebrute2848 2 роки тому
“I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, ‘Spells (ruqyah), amulets and love-charms are shirk.” I said, “Why do you say this? By Allaah, my eye was weeping with a discharge and I kept going to So and so, the Jew, who did a spell for me. When he did the spell, it calmed down.” ‘Abd-Allaah said: “That was just the work of the Shaytaan who was picking it with his hand, and when (the Jew) uttered the spell, he stopped. All you needed to do was to say as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to say: ‘Adhhib il-ba’s Rabb al-naas ishfi anta al-Shaafi laa shifaa’a illa shifaa’uka shifaa’an laa yughaadiru saqaman (Remove the harm, O Lord of mankind, and heal, You are the Healer. There is no healing but Your healing, a healing which leaves no disease behind.’” (Narrated by Abu Dawood, 3883; Ibn Maajah, 3530)
@owaisibnmajeed9926
@owaisibnmajeed9926 2 роки тому
JazakAllah khairan!!! Brother
@axentrelises4724
@axentrelises4724 2 роки тому
While some of the talisman that did inherit quranic verses or directly asking from god's help or the name of messengers, or allah swt's 99 names, or the names of other prophets and that doesn't qualify as shirk in the slightest. However, coming down to amulets (such as the famous blue eyed amulet and the hand of fatima) those are classified as shirk because they completely rely on something else other than god and what you're practically doing is giving a useless object a sense of absolute power (which can never happen to a mere creation of allah). Most of these talisman object's had quranic verses or allah's names and that was one of the key factors in making good of the specified purpose required (or fulfilling the job required).
@teafortahir
@teafortahir 2 роки тому
Coming from the subcontinent I have to say, you’re work is amazing! Fantastic research and presentation. I really request you to make a video of Indian Cultural Impact on Islam. It’ll be great . Thanks!
@arifshahabuddin8888
@arifshahabuddin8888 2 роки тому
Filip covers some of this in his videos on Sufiism as well as his videos on Dara Shikoh, Akbar and Sikhism. Modifications in practice and even beliefs are affected by changes of time and place. There are certain syncretic practices that had crept into the Islam of the Indian subcontinent and certainly Islam has influenced Hindu practice particularly in North India. These practices are so ingrained that it is barely perceived. There are often movements within religions towards more fundamental beliefs. In India today, there are strong Hindu and Muslim fundamentalists organizations which first became prominent over the past century to "get back to a time" before these influences became influential. I've deliberately tried to be vague by leaving out names and specific practices to decrease passions. A story from my childhood fits today's video. Approximately fifty years ago, we were visiting relatives in India from the States. I apparently had suffered a high fever. A local holy man (imam?) was either visiting or was called to the house to say a prayer for me. He did so and tied a talisman around my neck. My parents soon took it off stating that this practice was superstitious and otherwise not Islamic (e.g. ungodly). Yet, using talismans is a very common practice on the Indian subcontinent. One must acknowledge, however, that even signs, symbols and practices that are emblematic of a religion have their roots in the occult sciences and talismans. How much of Christian (particularly Catholic) practice is simply the adoption of Roman practices and procedures that overlay the teachings of Jesus Christ? Both the cross and the belief in the trinity came straight from Roman religious symbology. The pontiff (the Pope) replaced the pontifex maximus. The crescent and the star of David have similar ancient symbology. It is hard to separate "true" dogma from practices adopted that may have served as a social lubricant.
@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl
@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl 2 роки тому
@@arifshahabuddin8888 sufis were didn't originate from Indian influences
@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl
@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl 2 роки тому
@@Ibn-Abdurrahman it is the Sikhs that were influenced by islam
@Sushil_sharma344
@Sushil_sharma344 Рік тому
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl But indian Sufism did get influenced from Indian religion typically Hinduism and with vaisnavism bhakti moment within India .and Sikhism influenced by both Hinduism Islam and other .still they believed in Hinduism concept of reincarnation or rebirths ,moksha and birth in 84 lakhs joom means life forms whereas they worship God as formless which is also one of the way of Vedas ! But they don't belive in propehts or judgement so there are heavely influenced by core concepts of Hinduism Jainism and bhuddism !
@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl
@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Рік тому
@@Sushil_sharma344 oh my God I am not talking about Indian sufis. Why do you have to make everything revelove around you? I am talking about sufis like al rumi and al Arabi
@rexdalit3504
@rexdalit3504 2 роки тому
LTR... I love the whole thing. Your production values are really high. Script, sound, set, lighting, camera, mic, editing; you've got it all. But you should fire your wardrobe director immediately. Immediately. [Step it up, bro.]
@VS-2002
@VS-2002 2 роки тому
YESSSS ANOTHER VIDEO!!!
@BlackFeather713
@BlackFeather713 2 роки тому
With your deep knowledge of Islam and Sufis I am curious if you will tackle Omar Khayyam at one point? I think it would be interesting!! You have an amazing channel, thank you for this amazing content.
@laylaoresme6704
@laylaoresme6704 2 роки тому
This is going to be goooood ✨
@LetsTalkReligion
@LetsTalkReligion 2 роки тому
The Pressure!
@Dima-px6pr
@Dima-px6pr 2 роки тому
This guy does black magic ukposts.info/have/v-deo/hJF2jK2af4uYk5s.html
@laylaoresme6704
@laylaoresme6704 2 роки тому
@@LetsTalkReligion fascinating, as expected!
@amaley85
@amaley85 2 роки тому
Your pronunciation is fantastic, very knowledgeable, thanks you brother ,
@T-P.
@T-P. 2 роки тому
Very interesting topic keep up the excellent research and videos
@saharmartinez6253
@saharmartinez6253 2 роки тому
We use metal bowls with quranic writing on them in my home! I usually pour water in them and drink from them. So cool to see examples of them in this video.
@ericstrickland9866
@ericstrickland9866 2 роки тому
Where do you buy them?
@ArkadiBolschek
@ArkadiBolschek 2 роки тому
I know it's The Season, but I can't help feeling that the Halloween ambiance clashes with the topic 😅 Apart from that, absolutely great video, as always.
@harisjutt69
@harisjutt69 2 роки тому
@Champagne SOYcialist STOP GRASSIN ON ME islamicate magic* it's not the same as islamic magic there is no islamic magic
@Li-rw1ih
@Li-rw1ih 2 роки тому
@Champagne SOYcialist STOP GRASSIN ON ME Halloween isn’t a Christian holiday lol
@lets_wrapitup
@lets_wrapitup 2 роки тому
@Champagne SOYcialist STOP GRASSIN ON ME what’s Catholic about it?
@Li-rw1ih
@Li-rw1ih 2 роки тому
@Champagne SOYcialist STOP GRASSIN ON ME it’s not even catholic lol
@natsoba429
@natsoba429 2 місяці тому
Beautiful and very interesting lecture. Thank you so much 🙏🏼
@kseniav586
@kseniav586 2 роки тому
Wow, this is my favourite video of your recent ones. A fascinating topic and the objects you showed are truly marvellous (the shirt! the bowl!). Such a Halloween treat, thank you :3
@irfana4937
@irfana4937 2 роки тому
Kindly don't use Qur'an verses when u make a shirt for entertainment, it will b disrespectful.
@kseniav586
@kseniav586 2 роки тому
@@irfana4937 I was just admiring the shirt from the video. Not sure I even know how to make a shirt :) Would never use sacred symbols/texts for entertainment, but thanks for your message anyway. Do people actually do that?
@irfana4937
@irfana4937 2 роки тому
@@kseniav586 Dear Sister, U r a Nice Human being, u respected my request. I haven't seen anyone having this kind of shirt, may b someone used for protection against evil. Dear Sister I humbly request you to Read Qur'an majeed. May Allah bless u
@socratesthegreatthinker9065
@socratesthegreatthinker9065 2 роки тому
Good stuff bro, you’re very clear. Unbelievable subject as well. I grew up as a muslim, sihr is like the greatest taboo, but it was everywhere. They tried to hide it from the children, but i think it’s better to be well educated about these things. It’s also just fakin epicly interesting :)
@LovelyTrendyCoolGirl
@LovelyTrendyCoolGirl 2 роки тому
Hi Filip! Thank you so much for these videos, They're very interesting and informative. Even I (a practicing Muslim) didn't know about the existence of "Siher" and the heavily use of talismans / amulets in the middle ages in Islam. It's quite shocking honestly.😱 There are a lot of apparent evidence of the use of these talismans in today's modern time, even in my household (smh 🙄 grandmas). However, these practices are not allowed and are haram in Islam in most Mathaheb. The people who practice using these today are often the elderly in our community or the ppl who uphold cultural practices of old ; however, that does not mean that they are right and or halal to use, it's often ignorance about the why is it haram/ Makruh (or not actually knowing it's haram) and why we shouldn't practice such thing. We, Muslims are asked to always keep learning and practicing our religion to keep it alive and to point out to our fellow Muslims when they are making a mistake or lacking knowledge about anything regarding Islam. As much as I appreciate you taking care and using "islamicate" instead of "Islamic" and conveying the information about the occult present in the Islamic context without giving a determined verdict to whether "siher"and talismans in terms if they are haram or halal (forbidden or allowed) in Islam, it is leaving a lot of my Muslim brothers and sisters confused. I'd suggest to leave a reminder about the views of whether it's halal or haram (or not specifying it) at the beginning of the video (and urging viewers to do their own research about it) as it is just an essay style video about the occult sciences in the Islamic/ate context.🤔 For everyone (especially Muslims): These talismans are called بدعة beda'h or a (heresy?) (creation / practice without an evidence or root in shariah law), these poor people think that they need these talismans to invoke Allah or ask for whatever they need but that negate the essence of Islam as they do not need a mediator ( a person, item, numbers or symbols?) to communicate with Allah and ask for anything from protection to help with any matters in their life. There are many evidence about this in hadith, and have been asked about here, turntoislam.com/community/threads/about-taaweez.52672/ Refer to the translation provided by the brother, Almeftah if you can't read Arabic. I hope this comment does not come as hostile or reprimanding in any means, I keep seeing a lot of confused Muslim fellows in the comment to whether it's halal or haram and felt like I can do something about it. 😅 Looking forward to see what comes next! I've always been interested in the hidden/strange sciences and the islamicate occult. But as a Muslim, it feels scary but informative to know about them. Still, there's always a lingering feeling that one shouldn't look for or research about these things to not fall in Muharram or do haram 😂 (literal forbidden knowledge lol). But may God fortify our hearts and minds against shirk, siher and evil👐 Salam!
@headevasive6142
@headevasive6142 2 роки тому
جزاك الله خير الجزاء
@LovelyTrendyCoolGirl
@LovelyTrendyCoolGirl 2 роки тому
@Google Account Ma sha Allah , thank you for conveying the most important points (especially Tauheed) as I have failed to mention that. Barak Allah feek wa jazak khairan (بارك الله فيك و جزاك خيراً).
@nonozebra4196
@nonozebra4196 2 роки тому
Ameen, we should only trust and rely on Allah's power not in these objects Thanks for your response to the video
@noorfarazkhan8881
@noorfarazkhan8881 Рік тому
جزاك الله for writing this
@anasibndawood6696
@anasibndawood6696 2 роки тому
Beautiful video and work
@emmcee662
@emmcee662 2 роки тому
Very interesting and easy to understand preservation and such beautiful artefacts
@jasodu1
@jasodu1 2 роки тому
Talismans used a lot in Indonesia especially in colonial times. People use it as an armor so they 'immune' to sword or guns. They also use it when the peasants riots or war against the Dutch. One of the best example is the 19th century peasants riot in Banten. Sufi teacher gave talismanic items to their students that join the riot.
@SI-ln6tc
@SI-ln6tc 2 роки тому
What do they call them in Indonesia?
@ok-re8rk
@ok-re8rk Рік тому
@@SI-ln6tc jimat
@haroldz123
@haroldz123 5 місяців тому
Ilmu kanuragan or "shield or armour magic" is quite popular there i heard
@mcmolly2887
@mcmolly2887 2 роки тому
The magic squares are represented planetary numbers with the number converted into letters by using numerology. Like taking ones name converting the letters to numbers and using planetary grids then connecting the numbers with lines and the shape is sacred, if you want to see a good reputation of this look at Crawely’s Tarot cards the line shapes in the background of the images are talisman.
@pandemicmbm9176
@pandemicmbm9176 2 роки тому
Most underrated channel!
@None-no6we
@None-no6we 2 роки тому
Thank you for this video!
@ertuncdelikaya8237
@ertuncdelikaya8237 2 роки тому
You'd better mention the Turkish Islamic amulet called a muska. It's called a tumar in Azerbaijan and Central Asian countries. It's a hand-written paper folded into a small triangle and put into a triangle-shaped casing made of leather or thick linen cloth or metal. A "good"/"protective" muska contains prayers or Quranic verses. An "evil" muska contains curses, hexes or words/symbols that supposedly summon demonic jinns and instruct them to harm the person whose house the evil muska is secretly placed in. Interestingly, the words in good muskas are only in Arabic whereas the words in evil muskas can be in Arabic, Assyrian Aramaic, Hebrew.
@afnanalsharif
@afnanalsharif 2 роки тому
It’s all shirk good Musca is shirk .. it’s Allah u ask for protection read the Surat bakara , Elnas , elfalak … do the dawn athkar , evening athkar , sleep athkar . Period
@glorioustea7433
@glorioustea7433 2 роки тому
Nationalism has no place in here
@ertuncdelikaya8237
@ertuncdelikaya8237 2 роки тому
@@glorioustea7433 What does nationalism have to do with what I wrote?! I just gave a cultural example in relation to the topic of this live stream. Some Indonesian or Malaysian person can come and post a comment about the amulets and talismanic magic practiced in his/her own Islamicate society for example. That wouldn't be nationalism either.
@420minegod2
@420minegod2 2 роки тому
@@ertuncdelikaya8237 don’t even bother replying to these people lol
@bartender4877
@bartender4877 2 роки тому
Hoe does one know what muska one has? Does a good musk come where you know of it? And a bad one be buried in a wall in your house or in your garden in a clay pot? I’m asking because I heard someone finding a pot buried in their garden with this. They destroyed it
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