How can they argue they are not stealing his personality when they use his photo

They're gaslighting Jon and it's ugly. Thank you for the talk Jon 💞

The middle guy is mad at Jon Ronson because he literally stole Jon Ronson's identity Jon Ronson is calling him on it.

all they did was deflect his questions and statements. always talking about how strange his desires were, how ridiculous and even malicious it was for him to not want to be misrepresented or defamed.

"Why would you use your real name on twitter I find that strange" BECAUSE IT'S MY NAME WHY WOULDN'T I USE MY OWN NAME ???

I would like to make a movie that looks the way his voice sounds.

The short clips with the 'Academics' is comedy gold... "You'd like it to be more like you?" "No, I'd like it to not exist" Bwahah!

I keep pausing the video because I get superfrustrated with those guys I want to learn to be as calm as Jon is with this kind of people

why didn't they just change the picture? it doesn't compromise their project in the least, and would no doubt have been enough to satisfy jon

THOSE 3 MEN PISS ME OFF SO MUCH. The middle guy is trying to be so manipulative, you don't even know what to say to them anymore because they are a lost case. fking hell.

I get Jon's point at the end, but those men really are mentally damaged in some way to have sat there and tried to gaslight and demonize Jon. For Christ's sake, they were using his PICTURE and name, not just his name.

Wow these guys are rude. If I were Jon I'd be calling a lawyer.

‘Do there can only be one person with the name Jon Ronson?’ With my face yes!

How the hell is it bizarre to use your own name on Twitter?

Not "I was angry". Instead," "I felt a tightness in my chest". Such a gracious man.

If they used his picture for the twitter acct then that is fraudulent! Those men are absolutly insane!

cut that "you're not the only Jon Ronson" bullshit they stole HIS photo wtf

it's actually faking someones ID. In denmark they could get in prison

Every new talk I see by this man makes me appreciate him more and more. And I've dealt with people like the spambotters before. Mostly freshmen at university. People that think that being baseline clever gives them license to be bellends to other people. People that clearly aren't bright enough to understand how to interface and engage with other human beings.

I think the dude in the middle was trying his own attempt at manipulative phsycology and the dude to his left was just a friend there to make it look like theyre both sophisticated. The older dude might've been a teacher just sitting there to observe and see how they handle it.

As an academic I’m genuinely appalled by these researchers. It’s so unethical and in my experience should not have passed an ethics board application (if it was even submitted, which it might not have been given that they’re working with “public information”).

hahahaha those guys at 4:30 are CLOOOOWNS. I can't believe this. WHO THE HECK DOESN'T USE THEIR OWN NAME.

Dude I love Jon's voice especially the cadence to it

Those 3 were truly horrible people and should be sued to take down the accounts of people's identities that they steal. Hope they do get sued and shut down. Perhaps you should get James Veitch to send replies to them:)

I respect this man so much!

I'd be so angry and confused. But honestly, I'd have a lot of trouble expressing why that is so.

Will the real Jon Ronson please stand up.

i love this guy

the "academic"''s comment that he doesn't know anyone who uses their own name on twitter is entirely disingenuous. The truth is only early adopters were ABLE to register with their own names. And to say there's something weird about wanting to "kill" the account is also a twisted distraction from the truth that no one wants a false twitter account out in the world. He would have made a more compelling argument if he pointed out that Jon Ronson's integrity is in tact, that the spam bot is just entertainment and nothing more.

6:10 wtf? I have a twitter with my own name? Is that really so rare? All of my family have a twitter using their own names.

The master of Ted talks!

A very interesting man. Love his talks!

If they were so "okay" with the concept of ripping off someone's name & physical likeness for their little project & they found it "so weird" to be bothered by having a you that isn't you out in the world, why wouldn't they use one of their own names & physical likenesses? I don't think they cant fathom his reaction at all because they didn't choose to use one of their own for a reason. I believe the reason being that they knew how it wud feel.

one of the best ted talks I've seen in awhile!

notice how their whole cadence and body language uncomfortably shifts when he brings up the language games they employ , they all agree right away as well.

I dunno what it is about this man but i've watched three of his tedtalks and theyre soo appealing i just love how he deliver these talks and the topic he choose to cover

This guy is so nice so smol and so calm

Now *this* is the best TED talk I'll ever see

what utter nonsense-they arent just using his name, they are using his PICTURE! It isnt anything like asking people in the phone book to change their names....crazy non-logic. Those people are trolls, and manipulative!

Love Jon Ronson, such an interesting, smart, funny guy

His books are fantastic!

The three academics remind me of the German Anarchists in The Big Lebowski...

Jon is amazing. I love his brain.

Perhaps he wasn't being clear enough why he didn't like having a spam-bot in his name. Honestly, it wasn't just his name. It was his picture too. It had fooled friends of his. The first comment to his video was right. It was identity theft, all be it a fairly benign example. Imagine if the bot had become popular. Or his boss found it and thought it was the real him. And then it said something awful. At its most extreme, he could've lost his job, been the punching bag of the internet, and struggled to get by because no-one wanted to hire him after what a bot, masquerading as him, said. The academics didn't seem to understand. On the Internet, your identity is your brand, especially if you're famous, even mildly. Now... I hope the bot got reported and removed from Twitter. No-one deserves to have someone else pretending to be them, much less a stupid spam-bot.

This is so true.

I love Jon Ronson

I hate seeing my real name online, I don't even let people take my picture so.my face is never online. I've met people on real life that have only known on-line and freakefd out. I'm not me online, I'm slightly different, in some places I'm me but most of the time I'm an unreal me and saying my name would get me and my image confused, that would be dangerpus.

Genius !

"Why would you use your own name?" - why wouldn't you? I think them using the real Jon Ronson's photo for the bot - that is unreal - I'd sue them ... absolutely.

The first "part" with the spambot is basically the first chapter of "So you have been publicly shamed". If you start reading the book (or listening). It's all good, it gets "different". So don't stop, it's a good book :)

I love what you had to say here. Thank you for expressing the thoughts of a person with an open mind and heart.

To be more like you? -I'd like it to not exist.. That's bizzare -Then id like it to not exist :) Yeah :S -Why I find something quite psychologically interesting about that -Why? Um, you know therre a kind of interesting kind of uncanny sense of i dont know- aggressive almost You'd like to kill those algorithms - like you must feel threatned in some way

@2:15 lol good stuff 🙂 can't wait to finish this vid

I love the way he gives the DSM no respect at all. Brilliant!

You make me think about extraordinary things and smile. Thank you Jon. 🤩🤪😂

if I found a bot using my name and picture posting things I would be pissed.

I work in IT security and that is a classic case of collating data and metadata to create a secondary account based on a real person unfortunately this is not illegal it should be but it also raises serious moral and ethical concerns

that's very interesting, i wish i could access the full interview,

i read an article about the meeting and the quote was (credit Dave Trott); {there are] People who think the world is all about algorithms. Or people who think the world is all about people.

I think the right answer would have been "This thing is using my name and face, it's damaging my reputation. You will shut it down, or I'll sue you for everything you have."

The man's voice is just lovely ngl

So how much weed had that guy in the middle been smoking?

I like this guy

Hero.

I think I might be worried about those people who commented but I suppose the voice of the veiwers is passionate like that

Jon could talk about the structural integrity of 19th century concrete and i'd still watch the video

Who should find out who those people are, and repurpose their identity into an informorphic property. For "psychological tests"

Sad case with the girl who overdosed. I've had my experience with psychiatric drugs. Was on an SSRI called fluvoxamine. They said this is the one with the least side effects. One day, after about half a year on fluvoxamine, on a whim, I decided to quit taking my pills cold turkey. The withdrawal symptoms was the scariest thing I've ever experienced. The best way I can describe it is that I felt like my brain was floating outside of my skull. I was nauseous, I was dizzy, my head was spinning, I was easily irritated, my head hurt, I was sweating, and something very weird happened, I was feeling these zaps in my brain, like I could feel the electricity surging through my neurons. Since the only way to make the symptoms go away was to continue taking the SSRI, I continued taking my pills. A short while after that I complained to one of the psychiatrists (I see a different one almost every time. It's the system in that hospital) that I was taking a really long time to ejaculate during sex, sometimes not at all. So the psychiatrist prescribed me a different SSRI called mirtazapine that supposedly had less sexual dysfunction side effects. She also gave me a cross taper plan to wean me off fluvoxamine so that I won't feel any side effects. But the withdrawal symptoms came back. I felt completely out of control of myself, like I was losing my mind. At the end of the cross taper, my symptoms subsided but I was freaked out. I decided I didn't want those mind altering drugs in my brain anymore. So I just didn't go for my next appointment. I don't know the official status of my sanity right now. The disappointing thing is, the psychiatrist brushed off my symptoms and refused to call it withdrawal symptoms. It's like they're trying to protect their profession or something. They don't want their drugs to be associated with the drugs that people normally abuse. After that I read about the Anti-Psychiatry movement and the Rosenhan Experiment. I was shocked after a conversation with a friend of mine who is a freshly graduated medical student because he told me they didn't teach about the Rosenhan Experiment during the Psychiatry module of his studies. I'm not against psychiatry or psychology. I think it's good that we try to understand more about our brains, but I think it's too early for doctors to be treating patients with mental disorders. What we know now about the brain is so little, there's so much more to be learned. The same can be said about the field of Economics. I think quite a number of people in the field of mental health share my sentiments, or at least, they think there's a problem with how most doctors diagnose and treat patients. But of course, it's a dilemma. If governments fund research into mental health, they expect results like a way to deal with people with mental issues and sometimes, a way to deal with political dissidents...

omg I'm crying! :'D This is hilarious!

because we love passing judgement on other people. when people do that just tell them only the government has authority and move on.

"That's bizarre..." Yeah.

Jon...you are ah Phenominal being. Your thoughts and perspectives move me. To think, to laugh, to feel, to pontificate You humble nature Your strength You are ah modern day warrior Of the mind Ah heroe You are ah heroe

The "academics" can probably tick off most of the criteria in the psychopath list.

Sounds like a gaggle of narcissists, frankly. The great psychological manipulators.

Very wise words. As we move towards Mr. TRUMP'S inauguration day Im goi g to try and not let his online communications arm my apprehensions with negative labels that define his abnormalities. And I will attempt not to use that labeling on my Minority friends fears of exclusion. Which leaves me quite convoluted in what to think about the human race's future and where I myself fit in. But like Mr.Ronson said perhaps the significance is found in getting our human confusions organized and not keeping those confusions labeled?

Dan O'Hara uses his real name on Twitter.

There's another option nobody talks about that's more common today than when the video was made: just flat out saying it's an automated spamming system. If it was branded differently it literally wouldn't matter. You can name it anything you want but using the man's picture makes it obviously not a mistake or simple misunderstanding. It's like they were doing an experiment on cancel culture and identity theft at the same time.

How could 3 men be this insufferable?

Lmao, when people argue with rhetoric alone, it's so fuCKING ANNOYING. LIKE I'M NOT STUPID, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

Lennon is alive!! 👍🏼

Let's flip this - i don't really post on social media that much but if someone tried to pretend to be me I'd be pretty annoyed - not protecting my online reputation - i don't have one. But they didn't pick an unknown member of the public - they picked a well known figure.

I mean... its one thing to use the name Jon_Ronson, it's a whole other thing to use the name and image of this particular Jon Ronson.

🥺 I sometimes feel like I'm gonna lose faith in humanity @13:20

That guy has an advanced degree in gaslighting. I am not sure I have ever seen such an obvious case. What creeps, their scary smiles and chuckles.

I like him.

A very poignant point at the end, but has me questioning 1) can we become more gentle with oneanother 2) how people can wean themselves off of the "survival instinct" which, is he suggesting that we "modify" that out of our Human instinct 3) he seems to be an extremely nice person in an extremely insane society.....hopefully the mad people don't murder all the meek people of the world.

Spambotman can't be fucking serious.

I would imagine they now realise they made prats of themselves and are filled with shame. Their joke didn't go down well and they would rather this TED video hadn't been made, and that it was all long forgotten. Yet, no, this video wasn't made to laugh and rage at them even more after securing an already good victory... It was made to make a point. A point about labeling people or psychos or something... I forget... The point is Jon Ronson wouldn't enjoy digging his teeth in and making them suffer more. He's doing this all for a noble message. I just remember that smug guy in the middle and have a desire to see him get slapped across the face by Tyrion Lannister... That bearded bloke on the left too.

That's a whole new level of pretentious that I wasn't even aware was possible.

That guy talking (the academic person) is such an unlikeable character.

All of this could be easily solved with one law suit.

In the full video is on Jon Ronson's channel, EscapeAndControl. The video is titled "Jon vs Jon Part 2". They give the real reason for the bot as being an attempt to understand and expose Wall Street algorithms that have real effects on finances and human lives.

I think their conversation is more like a debate in the way not looking for right or wrong what you should or should not do and more their not trying to solve the issue, more like who can persuade better by isolating personal mentality and crowd mentality. i feel the moral high ground on both sides.very odd

They remind me of The Lone Gunman in an inverted and insane universe.

I just searched Luke Robert Mason on youtube... Dude is using his real name too! Pssst it’s brand management.

If I were him, I would sue them for identity theft or defamation of character. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure assuming someone's likeness and name on social media is grounds for a lawsuit. Just listening to those pompous assholes speak made me furious for him. Un-fucking-believable, the nerve of some people.

I think those academics need to pull their head out of their mutual bubble and deal with the real world once in a while.

You'd think he'd mention the fact that their bot was using his face when they claimed he didn't own his name.

I find it interesting that those men seem to think people don't have the right to use their actual name as a twitter handle (as doing so makes them dodgy) unless they're a "brand" but they think they have the right to use a stranger's picture without permission on the profile of their spam bot with the same name which was clearly intended to embarrass/irritate. They come across as arrogant, prentious, weirdos

TED audience notoriously under applauding more solid humor