Buzz Lightyear: I must update my catchphrase - "To infinity and just beyond".

Take a shot every time Shane says 'Just Beyond' 😂🥃

Man if only I knew that trick on Sunday lol thanks Lama for another priceless tip.

Changed my perception and use of online mapping in just a few minutes. Thank you.

Cool thanks 👍🏻 If you make an error with a waypoint and don't notice instead of undoing all subsequent waypoints you can just drag the one that is incorrect to where it needs to be 🙂

Looks like a brilliant course. Be keen to see it virtualised

wow! and thats how simple it should be! been avoiding making my own routes because its has been so conveluted and confusing. great video. :)

Your lighting is making you look more tanned Shane. Good video 👍.

The clicking beyond is something I've done for a while but hadn't thought of the small click below if going back over the same route. What I have done before is click on another road and then go back and pull the point back onto the correct road. Also as you can see on the route highlight some the parts are been shown as unpaved even when you have said prefer paved. Here in the UK we can have issue because of the heat maps including MTB data even when you have said its a road ride it will route you up and rough and rocky road. Or sometimes not even a road. Google maps can be a real saver to be able to check out and view the road before and make changes.

Top tip again Shane.👍

What a route! Great tips, and I've fallen victim to the intersection one. And, the out and back tips would have come in handy when I was burbing a few weeks go. My wahoo couldn't handle the doubling back!

That's why my wife and I spent 10 minutes at a junction screaming at the Gamin!!!

4:14 did you know you could just pull that Buninyong junction node onto the correct road section and it will correct the route without you having to delete the 'finish' node, so if you've planned a long route and notice an error half way through you don't have to undo everything, you can just drag nodes into the right spot and Strava will correct the route.

Oh wow..Thank you so much for this video..!! I was struggling for 2 weeks to create routes. Now I'm a route wizard.

@Shane Miller - GPLama Great video mate, hope you're doing well? I think you've just nailed some of the issues I've had with my routing, where the Wahoo instructs to turn left when clearly it's a right turn that's required - I'll go back and zoom into the route, I bet I've done exactly as you did to start, and inaccurately specified a waypoint. Cheers!

My tip for making routes is what I call "the 4 point system" and it goes like this: 1) create a starting point 2) turn on segments and look for a segment that's very popular or have a look at it on Google maps to make sure it's something you'd love to ride. Then add another waypoint there. 3) look a the heatmap for a popular road and select another waypoint on your way back home that's not located on the route to the segment from step 2 4) add the final waypoint on top or close to the starting point. Keep in mind that the more waypoints you add, the more nasty surprises you may encounter in terms of bad roads. Using less waypoints gives STRAVA more options to automatically choose the most popular route between waypoints!

Hey Lama, please give your connection at Strava a call to add an auto-recenter function to recenter the map when you click a point when creating your route 👌👌👌👌

Cool! Thanks for sharing

At Dunnstown Strava got the Aussie roundabout mapping right. Looks like it takes the shortest option but as you said the head unit interprets it correctly.

Dang! Finger snaps and straight to adds 😂

Thank you. Been questioning to go Strava Premium or not ad this helps.

Good tip Shane, I'll have to put that into practice. Now I question I have regarding Strava routes; why doesn't the web version have the route suggesting feature that the app has? I find this an interesting feature for finding routes I don't typically do but on a phone it's difficult at times to see it all. If I could do this on my laptop/PC it would be so much easier.

Random tip for Garmin Conect mobile, if you are trying to make a route on your phone on the fly, if its an out and back (but not 100% so you cant use the "out and back" button) when you try add a point on a road that you have alread ridden, it just adds the the point to the previous line and doesnt make that the new destination, instead, just click on a side street near by and then drag that point onto the spot you need and voila. Probably works for some othr styles of gps where it does this

Not sure if you put it in, but you can drag the route cursor. Useful for correction purposes or when the software is planning you it's way, rather than the way you want to go

Would love to see you take that route and modify the middle of it. I've never had any luck dragging the middle of a route to a slightly different road to create a longer or shorter version without recreating the entire route.

You can add waypoints by left-clicking on the route and dragging

I’ve found that ridewithgps does always do a straight reverse when you use their “out and back” feature. I get those funky extras around corners too.

Hi Shane, thanks for the video tips. I'm looking for some Strava -->> GPS information that I can't seem to find online. I recently got more into road cycling as opposed to smaller x-country trails I'd do off by heart. I did the Strava free preview and the Route feature you show here is nice for finding new routes but when I send the route info to Google or Apple Maps, all the data is borked. If I'm lucky, Google will retain each stop as a longitude and latitude coordinate but once I hit one stop, it'll say I reached my destination and force me to pull my phone out and kinda redo it from that point forward. Just a pain. Because of this, I'm not really seeing the value in the Strava Premium at all. However, you are holding a bike computer here. Does linking up Strava to the bike computer actually route you along the way properly without issues? I don't know anybody who uses one and I can't seem to find videos showing the relationship between Strava and a bike computer. Any help is appreciated. Cheers!

Good tips.

Great tip thanks will prove very useful. I have to say I still struggle with editing an existing route so any tips or training would be appreciated.

I challenge you to plan a route through Banchory, Aberdeenshire following the main roads from south to north using garmin connect - at least its entertaining!

Since my laptop died I have to use the builder on my phone; if you swipe between two points it creates the route between. If you move the map and start the next swipe further along the route, Strava will build a route between the two swipes

Cool tip

I actually played around with this feature the other night. Thanks for the cool tips. If I try to export to Garmin connect, do I use the export gpx option? Maybe a video on the exporting to devices in the future. Thanks

I’ve found Strava routes 2.0 hit and miss. 3 things in particular. Even though I select ‘paved’ roads, it has routed me onto walking tracks far too often that I now need to verify a route using google earth before I leave the house, or just cross my fingers. If I let the app suggest a route, I lose sight of the elevation chart after I save the route and last, but not least, if I use my phone to navigate (rather than sending the route to my Garmin 820), there is no ‘map up’ functionality in the app, which makes it unnecessarily difficult to navigate once out on the road. The heatmaps almost make up for all of this, especially in unfamiliar terrain. I just finished a 6,500k road trip around Europe. I used Strava maps to plan rides and the heatmap took me on the best roads for cyclists (when it worked!!).

You must be on the strava VIP support list... I’m a long time premium user and this year it’s taking around 2-3months to get even a canned first level support reply to logged tickets. Someone to actually look into a repeatable bug - forget it.

That 2nd last point appeared to take you onto Steve Moneghetti Track before going back to Windmill Drive

The great thing about RideWithGPS is that it tries to detect such deviations automatically. In such a case it tells you „We detected and removed a route deviation, click Undo if intentional.“ Never switching back to Komoot or Strava‘s route planner.

Shane... I'm not sure if you have any more pull with Strava than us lowly non-tubers, but is there any way you could impress upon them the need for some sort of route sorting? I think it's not just me who's been waiting for this (let's be honest, very simplistic) feature FOREVER. It's maddening when you have multiple pages of routes, and you just want to say, see the ones up to 30 miles long, cause maybe that's all you can ride for the day. Or by elevation, etc. I mean, ANYthing would be welcome really, but advanced sorting should still be a reasonably easy thing to implement and I don't get why it hasn't been done. Another good vid, btw. Your content is always solid.

Clicking just beyond also works with the Garmin Route builder. It’s also free but you have to build the route on a PC. Could you do a video highlighting the differences between the Garmin Connect and Strava?

Any tips on how to reverse a route , I am going from point a) to point b) which are fifty miles from each other, I stay overnight, the next day I want to travel from point b to point a , without drawing a new route can I reverse my original route, thanks.

When I save my route, the mile markers disappear from the map. Also, once the new map is saved, can I expand the map image (not zoom in) so that I can see my map across my computer screen? It appears I can zoom in, but then I lose parts of the route...

Chuffed that Aussies say 'different kettle of fish' too. :)

What’s the best app for creating personal routes particularly that I can see on my Apple Watch? Strata? Thanks!

I think you don't need to use so many waypoints, usually I start with the furthest point, start and finish and drag the line onto the roads I want to use. It is much faster this way!

Top tip. Just changed my phone to motorola g pro with stylus . This allows the mapping of routes for the fat fingered oldies like myself with the use of the stylus.

Shane would you mind doing a vid on how to EDIT an existing route - I'm baffled! I thought like Komoot you could just drag waypoints. NOPE. Creates a whole random route. Thanks!!

I tried using this, but my roam didn’t adjust to take me the correct way around the roundabout in Australia, do you know how to fix this?

Strava is a good route builder but i prefer RWGPS or Plotaroute because i can create a custom cue sheet with waypoint for the Wahoo.

The other tip is you are building it in fairly small segments. The less you rely on the automated router, the better off you are.

Thx ! And can this route be shared, with cues, to users of Ride with GPS or other platforms? If so, great help for group rides when people don’t all share the same software\platform. ;-)

Do you know if there is a way that I can plan a route that crosses the Bay from Queenscliffe to Sorrento (on the ferry). I’ve tried and it takes that section of the route all the way back up to Melbourne and then to Sorrento instead of just across the bay ?? Thanks

I'm from the UK and it used to go the correct way for us round the roundabouts, until recently, is this since 2.0 or change from google maps? Also when I send it to my 1030 plus it no longer says take the 3rd exit at the roundabout, just follow route. Did used to before.

Nice vid. Maybe you can Show us how to sync your your with Video footage for creating a rouvy rlv. I gues it's your Plan?

The big spanner in the works with Strava routes is that they don't play nicely with older/lower end Garmin units. The files lack turn-by-turn directions on the Edge 520/510/500 and the like, so it makes using them a matter of following the breadcrumb line and hoping you don't miss a turn. Higher end Garmins, Wahoos, etc. do OK with them. Strava still isn't anywhere close to RideWithGPS in terms of function and utility for route designing per my years of experience with both tools. Just my $0.02.

Has Strava added turn-by-turn yet? I always have to go through Komoot to get the turn-by-turn on my Wahoo

Trying to plan for the #Festive500offroad, been using Komoot, but even with “gravel” (and supposedly with the snap-to option off) selected, it auto-routes you to roads by-passing bike lanes and gravel tracks half the time, very annoying. Going to give Strava a try, just not sure why none of these apps have a simple “trace path” function - let me use a pen/mouse/fingertip to trace the route over the tracks and routes I want to follow.

Is there a way to select a strava segment while building the route so you know the route takes the correct route rather than guessing the route while building the route?

What will happen if you miss one of those way points by choosing short cut? Will navigation be trying to reroute the path to the missed wp ?

Makes me miss Ballarats cycling

I miss the strava route creation tool so much now that its behind a paywall. Garmin connect has a lot of catching up to do!

I still have no luck with Strava route builder. It still won’t recognise roads around where I live. I don’t know why this is an issue.

Just wondering strava won't give you CUE sign as Ride with GPS?

A thing with Strava I have noticed is that Strava doesn't know what is a one way street. In downtown areas it's something to look out for

Do you see the slight route mistake with the 2nd to last waypoint @ 6:45? Right before you said "Perfect" 🙈 It's still on your saved routes on Strava

When you sync a Strava route to a Garmin using the "star it" method, not the ConnectIQ method, have you noticed that there's a bug where you elevation on the Garmin course is doubled? This feature is useless to me because of this. :(

Will this work on android? I can't seem to do point by point on android???

Does Strava Route Builder provide turn-by-turn navigation? RideWithGPS doesn't (without a Premium subscription)

Strava doesn't have turn by turn cue right? Or just not on wahoo bolt

Why was way points from 20- 25 a white line with red edges and not a solid red like the rest?

Have they included a 5km radius fence for the melb crew?

Click just beyond the intersections...exactly like SnowRunner!

Any tips on how to combine two routes you have into one route?

Not really a tip. But it’s really hard to get routing right (by dragging a point on the route) if you’re building a route from an imported ride. You can’t just use the undo function to fix a point that is halfway along the ride. Especially if you’re making an MTB route and Strava doesn’t recognise all the trails and intersections. Yes I’ve tried manual mode.

You can also do this on ridewithgps

This video should be sponsored by a certain 1988 Olympic Gold Medalist....

...and then when it’s uploaded to garmin, the elevation goes bonkers! A 2k d+ becomes 10k or so! When opening the course on head unit, just check summary to see the difference in elevation. So automatic hill recognition becomes useless... any workaround?

The Edigton will lead to tough boyoues. Wje

If I already know the route, why would I use a route builder? I don’t get your use case - usually I know the starting point and have some idea where to go - I expect Strava to give me the most popular route.

Ballarat Cycle Classic 58?

Why do you have to press every intersection? Isn’t this just a waste of time? I usually click starting position and end position and then I fix the route that it automatically selects based on where I actually want to go. This saves tons of click and sometimes I can make 100km routes with just 5-6 clicks cause it automatically selects the most popular (and so usually the best) routes.

So scary to drive at the left 😲

The best is only Komoot 😉

I wish the Strava route would have street name turn by turn on the Wahoo Element Roam (as on the Garmin GPS). I am still dreaming for that day.

Years using the beta version and now is a premium option, no thank you. Go to komoot!

Is it free?

Might have to buy premium for this. Jk lol

Funny how some people say route with others say route.

Darn so close ukposts.info/have/v-deo/iqh2pW2ErXxlr2Q.html you are ever so slightly on the footpath.

Love your work Shane but this was nine minutes for “click just beyond the intersection”.

Captain Obvious