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I have the strangest deja vu

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+Level 58 Death Knight It's completely different! Nobody in America is afraid of Indonesians!

+JaytleBee von Miraus but americans are afraid of muslims and mexicans and indonesia was a former spanish colony wich houses the majority of the world's muslim population.

Kieran Loves You JOHN AND PHILLIP WIN! THEY REALIZE FRIENDSHIP'S MORE IMPORTANT!

"People are the problem... which is why we should let those people have guns!"

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Brutality, Flawless Victory

@bdidbw As Murphy's law says - You can't argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

I’m confused as to why he said that. At first he said it in a way that he’d be describing uncover cops but he ended up describing SWAT officers. I mean, sure, SWATs are more armed and masked but they aren’t really invisible. If anything, seeing military style soldiers would probably alarm more people in the process than make them think everything is alright.

After seeing what 2020 brought, I now feel like the fear of ninja police might be justifiable.

Matt S Not going to lie, I forgot all about this but now, I couldn’t agree more.

Matt S Not going to lie, I forgot all about this but now, I couldn’t agree more.

@@Mad_S The problem is that this is the kind of people now supporting the ninja police.

Isn't that the made up quote by Thomas Jefferson? Maybe that was a different one

That quote is something a tyrant says because, you know, tyranny is already here.

School massacre was ordered by east dictators club They don't want these guns leak to their country

And the best part is that those who yell the loudest about why they need their guns sit by and cheer on the Tyranny.

And a police state.

lol

Well friend..... do I have some good news for you!!!!!

Eh, I don’t know.... Maybe if he finds a decent barber.

I hope he wins Emmys and sings a song telling some guy named Bob to eat shit

I hope he would get an HBO show someday...

beautifully delivered slam dunk on himself

I just want a video of someone pointing all these ironic statements out to him lol and then watch him try to defend it haha

We have already had background checks. Ok mate. I don’t know where in the world any propaganda has emerged that we don’t already have background checks... actually I do, and it’s the politicians that fear monger about that. Background checks already exist, they unilaterally already exist for any internet’s purchase as well.

"Нет человек, нет проблем" Сталин "No man, no problem " Stalin

Background checks won't solve gun crime.

+Hubert Beck Not even close to radical?? You gotta come here and see for yourself... the batshit crazy fundamentalists is multiplying geometrically.

+lolipedofin I think you mean exponentially, geometry is math about shapes and shit.

Kevin McD Discreet Exponential Growth = Geometric Growth. But yea, should have said exponential... it is a more common term.

+lolipedofin nope. the last election in 2014 have fundamentalist islamic party PKS with meager 7% vote. Which is actually less than 2009. The society hates them. Majority of Indonesia are moderate moslem. The fundamentalist are in Minority.

Xamido I.P First of all, 7% is not a small number. Minority yes, but the number is not small, and people are disenchanted with PKS not because of their fundamentalism, but more because of their lack of political direction and their reputation of being corrupt. In the first place gauging the state of Islam in Indonesia through political party preference will be inaccurate. We only need to compare today's Indonesia to how it was in the mid 90's. I'm not saying that Indonesia is now full of fundamentalist, but it indeed has shifted more to fundamentalism than moderate. Also, let's not forget that even a moderate stance in islamic belief, can sometimes yield scary ideas.

+fallyhag exactly

THE FACT THAT ANY OF YOU USE THIS LATE NIGHT HOST'S SHOW AS A REFERENCE POINT ON ANYTHING POLITICAL IS A JOKE. THAT IS WHY YOU ARE SOOOOOOOO STUPID.

musicsuxnowadays give a serious argument. also, nothing political was mentioned in this comment. that is why you are so stupid.

+fallyhag - He had some nifty adventures even before the Last Week Tonight days, I see! +The Friendly Bot - But but but... they typed in all-caps! That must mean their argument is convincing! Unless perhaps you counter it with... *BOLD CAPS!!*

I agree

+Batman It would be very convenient to you, wouldn't it Batman?

+Dms T01 Ooooooh burn! you just got told Batman.

Kal-El pretty funny, Kent.

I think you should go up to the front door of a US vets home and tell him he can not have a gun. And you are here to take it from him.

+Farmer Dude357 why does he need a gun? Hes at home not deployed. Not at some military base. Having a firearm in a civilian area just cause im a 'army man' is no justification.

+Arun Sudarsan nope just free to say stupid stuff :L free to believe propaganda in the media too ;)

+Arun Sudarsan I love how everyone thinks the NRA is the problem. We don't give a shit about the NRA, but when criminals come breaking down your windows and you have no way of protecting your family, maybe you'll see the use of guns

***** damn, what a good argument. I love your use of h's and a's

+strober dolb Most criminals don't break into homes where people are home. Most criminals don't break windows to gain access. And should an intruder enter you home (knowing you are home because he is coming for you - why else break into a not-empty house?), how much time do you think you'll have to get your gun that is, of course, safely put away in a gun-safe so your children can't get to them? Your logic is flawed and driven by fear which is the real problem in the US because the media drives that fear - particularly the media that supports gun rights... Could you do me a favor and look up the statistics of people that have successfully defended their home with guns vs. the # of accident, including fatalities, that has occurred due to a firearm being present in the home. Maybe also look up how many of those incidents involved children. I think you might be surprised by what you find.

+wolvieguy What a load of BS.

millertas yes Port Arthur... very sad... i used to argue with the idiot conspiracy theorists who insist that PA was a govt set up to take our guns and that bryant is innocent... i wouldn't even bother now... thing is i have talked with surviving victims and Mick Sargent says it was bryant (doesn't deserve a capital b) and he should know. he was wounded by bryant in the Broad Arrow Cafe and his partner Kate Scott was killed. Mick identified bryant without any exposure to media yet conspiracy theorists will swear no one ID'd bryant at all. yep the senseless killing of Nanette Mikac and her 2 little girls Alannah 6, and Madeline 3, is one of the most gruesome heartless things i've ever read about. Walter will never recover from his loss. it's actually not difficult to get a gun licence in Oz. thing is if you say it's for self defence or protection you won't get one at all. gun ownership has risen and the last few years have seen the biggest ever issuing of licences and weapons sales. thankfully our good gun laws have made safe storage and handling a priority. it's a credit to a brave govt and people who backed it.

Who justifies what you need and don't need?

BlackNYC who's says you have the right to justify anything you want in life anyway? freedom? so you're also free to be a criminal... right?... nope we have rules for that kind of behavior... if they made a plasma rifle available to military next year will that be justified in your civilian needs too?... after all you and i are just civilians. why do you think you have individual justifications anyway? and who justifies it? democratic vote... don't like it then vote against it. one voice, one vote... rules for the collective good and safety of all, not just a few... too bad if we are out voted... it's the majority that counts in a democracy.

AVportau We elect officials, and then they decide on laws, bills and issues, not majority. If you agree that other people can dictate the way you should live your life then you are no different from a sheep on a farm, no different from Nazis believing that they are fighting for greater good.

BlackNYC really?... it's as you admit... it's 'we' who elect the officials who then vote on laws, bills, and issues 'on our behalf', and if you don't understand their policies before you vote then who's the sheep?... this is the problem... people either vote on biased opinions or blindly... but few vote for what they really believe in personally themselves... most of the time there isn't even the option to vote for an independent politician who doesn't tow a party line. i'm a Nationalist if anything... i believe in flying the flag of your team you play for. don't like it then find another team (country)... so whilst the human rights civil libertarian do-gooders say we must accept all cultures and religions in our lands those same cultures and religions don't accept our way of life... and let's face it, that's why they left their old homeland in search of a better life in our countries... yet we let them destroy any sense of nationalistic pride we have left?... big difference in that vs nazism, communism, or any other discriminating 'ism'. and the our democratic systems of govts are becoming a joke... more money and time spent on arguing than actually getting things done... i believe all politicians should be independents and stand for what they personally believe in, not some party policy... now we have politicians who oppose anything, whether good or bad, just so they can discredit the other ruling party, yet both lie and attempt to cover their tracks. that's about how good our govts are. so who's the sheep?... and i'm sure not the wolf... i'm actually just the shepherd who tells the truth.

yes most deff 😂😂😂😂

ofc didnt you hear the people laughing in the video? ;)

M4x P0wer Unfortunately you don't seem to understand the difference between gun control and a gun ban. How unfortunate.

M4x P0wer Your rhetoric is mind numbingly stupid. Can you NOT read? I've been talking about gun CONTROL. Christ. Increased background checks too much for you to handle?

Mikhail Kalashnikov hi Mikhail, please let's try to be nice. I own guns, starting from one time when I was threatened by a man who I had no chance of beating in a fair fight. I don't go looking for trouble, but when it makes sense I keep a gun nearby because cops are heavy and usually too far away if I need them in a hurry. I do my very best to be a good person, but America just doesn't have enough police to go around all the time. Guns are a cost effective way to maintain independence from jerks who would try to hurt you. It's not the only way, of course, and maybe not the best way, but it works. In America, every gun purchase from an official gun dealer requires a federal background check, except in very few special cases (like inheritance). I'm not sure we could instate any more checks if we tried. The problem with that is that lots of people seem normal until the day that they snap. They have no records and no way to indicate that they will some day try to murder people. We could take away guns, but then people would just get sliced like the student stabbings in China, or bombs in Pakistan, or whatever is next easiest. It is saddening how easy it is to take a life with bombs, poison, or disease. I don't have an answer because the situation is complicated. But hopefully, I can offer you a smarter discussion than half the idiots around (both for and against guns).

Mikhail Kalashnikov​ To answer your original post, which I find fascinating, I think America has an unsecure border with Mexico and indirectly the rest of South America, places where gun ownership is mostly illegal and yet crimes in some places are still high. This is a complex problem involving drugs, snuggling, gangs, and violence. Australia, being an island, is fortunate enough to easily control their borders and therefore decrease the number of available guns. In America, it's currently not feasible to do that. I find that many gun owners support securing the border for this reason. The problem with current proposed gun control laws is that they often ban things like adjustable stocks or muzzle devices. That's like banning adjustable seats and mufflers on cars and hoping it makes them less likely to get into accidents. This makes actual gun owners feel like legislators have no idea what they're doing, and makes us distrust their concept of safety. Oh yes, plenty of idiots here, just like anywhere else (and I've lived in a few different countries). Unfortunately, Americans are masters of media, so our idiots get more exposure. Otherwise, good morning!

M4x P0wer Yet you guys ignore that you are nearly 5 times more likely to be murdered in the US than Australia or the UK, and over 2/3rds of these murders in the US are with guns. How is that not making you realise that your guns are not making you safer?

"Noticing a pattern here? More gun control means a lot less homicide." With a gun invovled With no guns in Australia that guy still killed a cop with a Axe cause he had to get more creative And people with no access to guns and wanting to commit suicide can still down a bottle of sleeping pills, jump off a bridge, slit their wrists or throat or hang themselves And in American Horror Movies none of the Baddy/phychos use guns to kill droves of horny,stupid teens....mostly cause they are in New York if you notice. Nope they use knives,axes, picks, awls, harpoons, shovels. garage doors. acid, flame throwers, and...of course...chainsaws

***** To bad the US is a Republic of States and not a County and to bad the US Feds have no power to take over State and County government Sovereignty rights on regulating things like guns within State boarders and city/county municipalities cause of the 2nd and 10th amendments then,eh? Again the US Feds have no authority to enforce gun laws without infringing on individual rights and the rights of the States, Cities, Counties,towns,etc to self govern via the "will of the people" Obama' s "Executive orders" nothing more then suggestions much like his EPA Czars suggestions to the States concerning energy policy and pollution ...they cant do much more then fine a State for telling them to fuck off (IF even that) For instance the US City I Live in is a Corporate Municipality with local gun laws prevailing over any State or Federal "suggestion" if it isn't written into the City charter/constitution Lot of States didn't even ratify "Obamacare" into their Constitution cause it infringes on State Souvergnty to regulate Insurance companies practices within their boarders

TheRealArchAngel While yes people can choose other forms of self harm to commit suicide one effect gun control does have is that fact Australia had a higher rate of gun massacres then the US per a capita before gun regulation, After gun regulation our gun massacres disappeared (Except for a single incident a few years later involving a hand gun). Yes people can attack others with knifes, axes hell even metal pipes but the chance of them being able to kill them decrease as you have a better chance of running from a knife then a bullet. They are also unable to attack multiple people with such weapons (effectively at least). As to US being a republic of states, That does seem to be one of the biggest issues in the US. Other nations have been effective in area's that the US has not mainly due to the fact it becomes universal across the entire nation, In the US it get's broken up not just from state to state but from town to town. Gun control in nations mentioned by Ryuu Ainaki are universal across every state/region, Not so in the US. In countries with universal health care it is universal across every state/region, Not so in the US, In fact the US has 3 separate programs [Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare] (that not all states have taken up) while other Western nations have just the one which causes undue expenditure (Us spends roughly double on medical care per a capita then most other developed nations and has a worse life expectancy - Cuba is ahead of the US). In taxes the US has different tax rates from town to town making the system needlessly confusing, With three levels of tax collection with no universal rate the US is a stand alone in the tax set up with most nations having at most two levels (Australia we have corporate tax (business), GST (Tax on everything 10%), and income tax (Not taxed until earn earning about $18,200 with tax rate increasing as your earning increase) with those all collected by the Federal government who then divides the funds up as needed. The only tax the states collect is the payroll tax which is different state to state but tax is for the entire state, Not just certain regions or towns.. Just seems to me that if the US doesnt want to go all in and make things universal then they would be better off breaking up the union. Spend more time fighting amongst each other (politically) then actually solving the issues to make the US a beacon once again (At the moment it is a joke, No offense)

Matthew East "After gun regulation our gun massacres disappeared " Instead of a loon with a gun cops had to face a loon with a axe instead with 1 being killed and 3 seriously wounded if I remember correctly after the gin laws passed Crimes stay the same, just the tools change when certain tools are taken away "US it get's broken up not just from state to state but from town to town. Yes, hardest part of the forefathers setting up the Feds was that what would become the US was not only many cultures from State to State but even within a State there are different people with different ways of living with different values from many different countries of all income/class levels "US has 3 separate programs [Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare]" Actually "ObamaCare" isn;t really enforceable unless the State adopted the "guidelines suggested" by the bill amd it basically allowed Insurance Companies to drop millions of sick people because the insurance plan didn't comply with the guidelines which the insurance companies gladly adopted to get out of some expensive plans Most States had to clean up the mess by not allowing the Insurance companies to drop patients with serious/expensive illness cause their plan wasn't complying with "Obamacare" "which causes undue expenditure" Actually the Feds and States interfering with medicine and medical is what drives up costs and places like Catholic Hospitals and Charities, Ronald McDonald Chariries, Shriners Charaties,Lion Club Charities, Salvation Army, and College funded medical provide low cost or free services despite all the red tape bureaucracies like the FDA,USDA,FTC,MICK,KEY,MOU, SE create Before I ended up on State Medical I wad going to Bat clinic with all but 10 dollars paid by a Catholic Charity (Im Not even catholic....or religious...just filled out the application for help)

TheRealArchAngel "Instead of a loon with a gun cops had to face a loon with a axe instead with 1 being killed and 3 seriously wounded if I remember correctly after the gin laws passed Crimes stay the same, just the tools change when certain tools are taken away" Cant recall that incident, If could supply a year of occurrence it would be helpful. As to crimes and staying the same, Yes we will always have crime that is a given and yes in our society there will always be murders and attacks. What our gun regulation achieved was not so much stopping it outright but rather lessening the damage that could be caused. Ill admit we still had our loons after the fact and still do to this day but statistically we have removed the factor of gun massacres (Minus a recent incident this year), Since the Port Arthur massacre in 1996 we have had 5 other massacres killing 46 people and injuring 20+ others, Only 5 of those are related to gun violence (Occurred this year, Murder suicide family incident), 5 other deaths can be attributed to blunt instruments while the remaining where arson. Based upon our own lessons gun control does work in the sense that not as many people are hurt in a single incident, Yes we still do get attacks but the days of dozens of people being gunned down are a thing of the past and that is what gun regulation did for us. "Actually "ObamaCare" isn;t really enforceable unless the State adopted the "guidelines suggested" by the bill amd it basically allowed Insurance Companies to drop millions of sick people because the insurance plan didn't comply with the guidelines which the insurance companies gladly adopted to get out of some expensive plans Most States had to clean up the mess by not allowing the Insurance companies to drop patients with serious/expensive illness cause their plan wasn't complying with "Obamacare"" Yes as I understand it not all states signed up, And the set up of Obama care while good intentioned just allowed Insurance companies to get away. Is a shame that every one cant agree to scrap all three, Choose one of the several options globally and just adopt that word for word system for system. In Australia it is a levy of 1.5% (Not applicable to low income earners and rate raised up to 1.5% depending on earnings) with a further 1% levy on high income earners ($70,000+) that do not have health insurance. For the insurance side of things we created Medibank, Provides insurance to people that sign up so as to keep 'for profit' groups in line from ripping off the consumer. The average cost for health insurance in the US per a single is in excess of $2,000 and that doesn't include everything where as Medibank which is run for profit a single plan that covers almost everything and has a 70% back for extra's in it costs $28.57 a week or $1,485.64 a year. But it's not meant to be, Hopefully in the future it will come to be. "Actually the Feds and States interfering with medicine and medical is what drives up costs and places like Catholic Hospitals and Charities, Ronald McDonald Chariries, Shriners Charaties,Lion Club Charities, Salvation Army, and College funded medical provide low cost or free services despite all the red tape bureaucracies like the FDA,USDA,FTC,MICK,KEY,MOU, SE create Before I ended up on State Medical I wad going to Bat clinic with all but 10 dollars paid by a Catholic Charity (Im Not even catholic....or religious...just filled out the application for help)" Yes and No, Government intervention can be a good thing but also a bad thing depending on how they intervene. In the case of the US it has been a downright disaster. In the case of every other nation with universal health care it has been a bloody beauty. Best thing the US could do would be to bring in some one from outside to review it all, Companies do so all the time because they know that some times you miss what is right in front of you so they bring in a fresh set of eyes so the government should to. Let an independent person with no stake in it be it financial or nationalistic review it, Bet my last dollar they would tell every local, state and federal leader to get their heads out of their ass and bring in a universal system, Scrap Medicare, Medicaid and Obama care and make One single system and rather then trying to over regulate insurance companies make your own health care insurance company, You would see a big drop in prices from the private sector and actually have them chasing customers rather then kicking them to the curb. Just my 2 cents =)

Taymin .M. I really wanna go to Australia someday (want to visit a dear Friend of mine ^_^) but, my Fear of Spiders and general uneasyness around Insects makes Australia Nope-Country for me :(

That Guy who had that long ass Username If your friend lives near or in one of the cities, you'll be right. Just don't go to the middle of the country. You'd be fucked without proper Australian training

Yea that's true never seen a wild snake in my life but I like in regular neighbourhood near the city

Ryan Shaw Taymin .M. So, as long as i stay in the City i will be good? I thank you two a lot, because now i have more confidence in traveling to Australia one Day. It's gonna be great! ^^

I live like an hour outside a city and I've seen one snake outside of captivity ever.

1911GreaterThanALL JUST LET THE JOKE LIVE.

Rin de Paz The only way to stop a bad guy with a poisonous spider is a good guy with a poisonous spider.

You misspelled boomerangs

i know its a comment from a long time a go haha, but just for reference, we lost a war to emu's in the 30s. Fact hahahaha, a genuine war on emu's

And they got rid of their guns anyway!!???? My God, it's a wonder they weren't all killed by the spiders

Dude, no one is calling Australia a Slave race.... I always felt a respect from Americans. We're allies, we just have a few differences. Neither country is perfect. I love America and I'm 100% Aussie. When I visited I felt the nation was too into making money and not as much about living life and being happy, which seems to be more about what we're about. If America solved it's gun laws it would be a mega rad nation.

Unfortunately on this subject they seem to think we're less of a nation because we don't have an assault rifle and/or Handgun in every Australian household, that's the view I get back on this subject.

Captain Sum Ting Wong It's pretty difficult when (through the media) the issue seems to be in ya face all the time over here!

I think your referring to Japan. lol

Anthony Franken Enjoy getting bullied by abos loser

thats why i watch US election speeches :D

Big Mac Genius!.

Gear Justice Stop, you're embarrassing yourself. I feel very safe in my country with no guns, haven't once thought about a gun causing a problem whilst I'm out and about, haven't seen a gun here.....seen one on the first day whilst visiting the US, definitely wouldn't go back, it's overrated. But by all means, keep your guns, keep having to debate gun laws as guns are clearly a problem, that's your choice. But don't expect everyone to not make fun of your country anymore than they already do.

Chris Nicholl YEAH! keep your guns. We need an example if some one feel that he has a right to kill people.

Manchelle Soetoro Oh my, is this still going on?..... I don't care anymore, have guns, shoot one another, who cares. I'm from a country where guns are illegal, I don't worry about guns, haven't worried about guns, it hasn't been a situation. Enjoy your life buddy, do what you will with it, I'm glad I live thousands of miles from you.

+Torben Rudgaard Norway doesn't have the scale of income inequality as the USA. You also don't have Bloods, Crips, MS-13, and La Eme.

+Torben Rudgaard In 2014 the police of Switzerland fired a total of 11 shots. Many people own guns. What is your point?

+Torben Rudgaard But then again, there was Anders Breivik who killed 77 people.

+Torben Rudgaard thats nice New Zealand police havnt fired a shot in like 5 years and our cops dont carry guns

+ianharwood That's irrelevant when it comes to firearms. The Swiss have mandatory military service and many of their citizens have been trained and drilled to use a firearm and also have their firearms registered at their armories so they also have to be accountable for their weapons. In the US, fat idiots who play too much Call of Duty and listen to too much Glenn Beck can waddle on into a gun store and purchase a weapon and not have to worry about any training or form of accountability. They also have a powerful lobbying arm that defends people who misuse firearms or are criminals such as wife beaters, people on the terror no fly list, and crazies and also assures that many Americans will be able to obtain a firearm without a background check through loop holes, private sales, and straw buying. If the US tried to implement the same policies the Swiss have with firearms the far right would take a break from gulping down Chik-Fil-A and banging their cousins to protest in the streets with guns, torches, and pitchforks.

Jose Quintero bit of an overexaduration there, mate, but you had a point. Total gun homicide has tracked generally downwards since 1995, accelerating following the gun control and firearm buyback measures after 1996. Unfortunately a rise in criminal use of handguns (linked to serious and organised crime and criminal gang activity), fortunately dropping away after 2005-6, initially dwarfed the positive results of the 1996 reforms. However, Australia is currently the seventh safest country in the entire world, followed entirely by countries with gun control.

Jose Quintero Which crime rate? Come on, be specific. Break and enter has dropped. Home invasion is a steady rate. Homicide is nearly halved. Only assault has increased, almost all alcohol related. Guns going to help there? I think not...

ratofvengence USA murder rate 5.0 per 100,000, Canada 1.8, New Zealand 1.5, UK 1.2, Australia 1.2. www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/Homicide/Globa_study_on_homicide_2011_web.pdf Table 8.1 Also my video Why Gun Control Saves Lives Extreme ER S1 Ep4 on Jo'burg South Africa where violence has risen BUT since strict gun control deaths from that violence has dropped.

***** Good argument. As an Australian I don't think there were many if any women who carried pistols or other concealed firearms (I am pretty sure they have been restricted for a long time). I can even remember the controversy when police on the beat were issued with guns. Good point about "shooting a loser". In the early 90s I asked the security guard if he'd ever confronted someone trying to enter the premise where I worked. He said he once saw some in "the computer room". Instead of physically trying to confront them he shouted, turned the lights on which made them jump through the door and run like hell.

millertas Reread my post, you don't need to convince me...

I wish we still had Johnny, but he got cocky and Kevin 07 won with the kiddies. A major set back for Aus, it'll take years to repair the problems Labor created and we will all suffer for it.

Vertical Smurf Wasn't really that he grew cocky, the Fair Work act barely changed much of work choices apart from a few key issues. The problem was that Howard grew old and the perception became that he was out of touch with his party and the people. No Prime Minster has ever served that long before in Australia, and he was the second longest serving elected leader in the developed/1st world.

agree about john howard but your comment on people only being able to get their hands on bolt action rifles and single shotguns is very ignorant!

todosbien In general its many many fold harder to acquire illegal firearms in Australia than it is in the USA, especially if you are looking for something more than a handgun/shotgun/bolt action rifle.

As someone who was born in 1990, I grew up only knowing John Howard as Prime Minister. I do like him as a politician, but some of his anti immigration laws were pretty unacceptable. Australian politics is only going down hill but I did like Kevin Rudd. I was too young to vote in kevin 07, but I liked his refreshing attitude. I know that's not a good enough reason to like a politician, but in a country where every adult needs to vote, you gotta vote for someone. He was at least different. Labour, Liberal, they're all the same. Both have the xenophobia around boat people and illegal immigrants, both are boring and dry. Problem in this country is politicians now (as with many other parts of the world) are politicians first and foremost. It's their career. Keating, Fraser, Hawke were all somethign else in previous stages of their lives. Not anymore. Now all that matters is getting more votes from the other party, which is just a breeding ground for deceptive marketing and scape-goat politics. ie Refugees.

Try to repeal a Right or amend it. Please, try and you will learn The Bill of Rights are not simply Amendments but the final say in The Constitution which gives you power and Rights which is all you have, ten Rights. Government has no Rights and they want yours taken away. Tell me how that will end, please... You are a class A idiot.

So you are a bigot that is anxious to see and promote tyranny and the violation of human Rights? You believe that US military will gun down its own citizens because what? the president orders them to do so? That of, by and for The People no longer applies? You are a weak and frightened twat that deserves nothing and that is what you will have in the end.

The states wouldn't ratify the Constitution with the Bill of Rights (the first 10 amendments) since our current Constitution granted the national government more powers than it had under the articles of confederation (our first constitution). For this reason, those 10 amendments putting specific limits on the national government were necessary for the individual states to agree to the new constitution. 150 million people were killed by their own governments in nations where people couldn't own guns during the 20th century. So I'd rather take a risk with the occasional criminal than live in a nation where the populace isn't armed. If the politicians have a problem with our murder rate they need to put teeth back in the sentencing laws. Nearly every murder is committed by someone with a long record of violent crime.

I Twine how so? do explain

I Twine In what way is this information bullshit? Seems like he all he is doing is providing facts based on statistic provided by the Australian government. So do tell how this information is bullshit.

He just wanna guuuun.

Not necessarily, might want to look up William Unek. Also this makes a very fatal assumption, that illegal guns are by some reason impossibly hard to get, which is demonstrably not true.

crazypants88 At the least it will mitigate any 'spur of the moment' anger shootings. Regarding William Unek, 'Within twelve hours Unek shot dead ten men, eight women and eight children, murdered five more men with the axe, stabbed another one' - source wiki, that is farcry from being ineffective, quite the contrary rather.

paranoidx9 There's really not much to grant that assumption. First off, illegal gun ownership is most certainly possible. Second, the US has had an amazing rate of adopting open and concealed carry laws, which allow citizen to openly carry a gun or to conceal it on them. If legal gun ownership facilitated "spur of the moment" shootings, it would seem odd that shootings have not increased in accordance with the number of new open and/or concealed carry users. And yes, he also used a gun. But the majority of them were non-firearm deaths. So you'll excuse me if I say you're grasping at straws to say it's effective when he got away when he used the axe as opposed to the gun.

crazypants88 I'm not really sure I'm understanding the rationale of your argument. I was referring to mitigation where as you are referring to increase. Given your example of Unek which occurred in Africa is poor correlation as compared to US at best. Regarding illegal firearms, ofcourse it will exist but the chances of an insane murderer premeditating to obtain a set of them without notice would be far less likely as compared to going to walmart and purchasing one right off the shelf. Going back to the 2nd amendment, How many cases have we've seen that a armed-civilian have taken down the murderer?

paranoidx9 I'm addressing the claim that guns will do more damage than non-firearm weapons, which as evidenced by the William Unek example isn't necessarily true. And I wasn't comparing S Africa to the US, I was showing how non-firearm weapons can be just as, if not deadlier than guns, even though it's unintuitive. There have been plenty of instances where guns are used defensively. You can look up "defensive gun use" for several. But usually defensive gun use doesn't entail shooting anyone. Usually it only entails displaying that you're armed. Estimates of this vary a great deal but even the most conservative is quite high, 2.5 million times a year is the highest and 80-55.000 times a year is the lowest.

I've lived in America my entire life (I'm only 18 though so that's not very long), and I have never heard of a situation where someone was being attacked/robbed/raped and a gun saved them. But I can tell you a couple times off the top of my head when an innocent person was shot because they were mistaken for a robber. The problem is America has a fantasy about killing bad guys and "Being a man" here's a great article I read that explains it better than I can. www.cracked.com/article_20396_5-mind-blowing-facts-nobody-told-you-about-guns.html

M4x P0wer it's because they aren't understood by the average person.

M4x P0wer "attack the country for being a world police" Lolz, you kidding? Look at the damage the US has done around the world. You want something done properly, you DON'T want the US involved.

M4x P0wer I call BS on that. We were fighting the Nazi's for a couple of years before the US was forced off the sidelines by the Japanese. Learn some history.

M4x P0wer US homicides 2012; Knives or cutting instruments; 1589 Blunt objects; 518 Unarmed; 678 Firearms; 8,855 See the point yet?

Exactly right. The main thing the gun lobby try to scare people with is saying it is a gun ban people are after. That's not on. Gun control is about allowing appropriate weapons, to appropriate people, and storing them appropriately. We still have gun clubs, hunting, sporting shooters. We don't have a 3rd world homicide rate and monthly mass shootings.

Actually I don't think anyone is saying get rid of all guns. You can still own firearms in Australia to the best of my knowledge, and Canada where I am from, it is just that the type of firearms and who can own them is "controlled" thus the term "gun control laws", it is not a gun ban.

Alan C I agree with you. But as the gentleman who responded to you demonstrates, so many people seem to feel that any sort of gun control is just a slippery slope to a gun ban. I don't see how people don't see how crazy that sounds. It would be impossible to outlaw guns in this country. People love them too much it would be impossible.

SlovPeter Why does gun control have to lead to some sort of gun ban. I don't get how anyone thinks that anyone could actually ban guns. Everyone knows that it would never work in America. Remember when they tried to ban alcohol? How about when they tried to get the Bundy Rancher to pay for the federal grass he used. And you think that the government can just decide to take everyone's guns and everyone will just be like "Okay, you're the boss."? I mean you can't actually believe that can you.

SlovPeter Did you even read my comment to you? I talked about that exact thing.

he does it is called last week tonight

Zachariah Spencer this was a joke I wrote 9 months ago

I should have known

Right?! he's so talented - Imagine if a big very rich network picked him up

And lo and behold, he got one, and it's AMAZING 😍

I Twine Aahhh, so that's why you keep shooting eachother.

Lord Whoopi Naw, those are the blacks.

With a rational budget, NBN that actually works and a less idiotic government we'd be one of the best places in the world.

J-Plus Exactly! Haha.

Nude beaches.

Bob Jones That has gotten a lot better lately though, now that they've introduced R18 rating. Also since most consoles are now region free it's no longer an issue

J-Plus Australia sucks Terrible lifestyle Its basically UK but a little worse.

what was it called?

Bloodklot Maybe Naruto, but the ninja police got murdered by the secret ninja police.

Comparing to the number of citizens, the US has 4 times as many guns as the Swiss. They also have very strict gun laws, automatic guns were made illegal for example as were silencers. They also have mandatory conscription, meaning men actually know how to use guns.

Well there was a dial-down in police power Australia, especially NSW (a state about 20% bigger than Texas) where the controls were brought in followed by a massive corruption inquest that aimed to literally rebuild the police force. As there was less gun violence the techniques used by the police force were also scrutinized more, and where problems didn't stop there was a push to crack down on corruption. Victoria and Queensland improved to a lesser extent but at least in Victoria they don't just kill criminals for possessing a gun anymore. There was a big anti-corruption push again in Victoria in the mid 00's. Queensland's problem is more political, where the government cuts funds then blames the police force for not being tough enough on crime. The public's view of the police force in Australia is more about anger towards revenue raising activities like fines.

CorporateEvolution Whereas here, the anger goes mostly to police brutality cases, unjustified shootings, anti-activist tactics and racism/profiling ...

AvangionQ Police in the US talk about the thin blue line, and all the dangers that they have to deal with. If it wasn't so dangerous they would not have the justification/excuse to get away with such things. Then it would be interesting to see what would happen if they had broad sweeping state and national level corruption inquiries. In NSW there was both justified and unjustified railroading of people out of the force, corruption convictions and forced early retirements, but the image of the police force is completely different a decade later. There was even a protest recently after an officer was killed that police should be allowed to carry firearms more often. Thats unthinkable in the US to imagine such a thing. People still protest against the police, but the situation is far better now days. Looking at poles as well, in the 90s Americans used to have more faith than Australians in their police force, now its the reverse.

CorporateEvolution Them police with their fines and speeding cameras that are simply revenue raising tools *shakes fist* :D /s

Funny how nobody seems to have replied to this

+David Davidson no, I fired my first gun in Canada when I was 10, went clay pigeon shooting and was an ace...guns are cool, because they make shit go boom, but they should be controlled and it takes a mature person, and society, to realise it.

+David Davidson In this case it sure was for comedy purpose (as i´m sure you know) but more or less yeah that actually isn´t very far from reality. Here in central europe the vast majority of people knows guns only from movies. So it´s quite likely to flinch when a gun is fired near you. If we really have to settle an argument violently we´ll prefer a fist fight. For Example, you can buy weapons here in germany, for sport or for hunting but you need a license and have to obey strict rules on how to handle your gun. Furthermore you can´t buy what i would call "war weapons" especially no automatic rifles. But everybody seems to be fine with that. There isn´t even a debate about weapons. Maybe because gun-involving crimes are very rare here? idk it´s just like it is and nobody seems to think about it at all.

+jay jay, your link is no longer available mate

Yup. We're quite happy the way we are.

HAHA....okay please show me your source you idiot? “The number of homicide incidents involving a firearm decreased by 57 percent between 1989-90 and 2013-14,” the government crime trends report says. “ www.factcheck.org/2017/10/gun-control-australia-updated/

Rate before gun control was 2,6/100,000 killings...afterwards it was 1,0/100,000....so if a drop of more than 100% is "acutally nothing" you're actually right! :)

Easily because you agree with him? Gotta love how brainwashed anything remotely political on UKposts is, even seven years ago. How's the echo chamber from back in the day? Not much different than today, I bet

You seem to forget the “the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed” part

@@hazardous0887 this is like religion ffs. Read. PEOPLE will bear arms to be part of a WELL REGULATED militia. It's both. It doesn't say, people will have an absolute right to bear arms. It doesn't end there. It's a condition to have the right, if anything. See? Interpretation leads to war on all issues.

Ali Living No, it’s basically two parts. It says a militia is necessary, not required. The founding fathers clearly intended that the people shall keep and bear arms freely.

To be fair, I'd feel a lot safer if I could legally carry a knife, given that I go to a school in an area full of meth-heads, drunks and (now former) students who tried to kill me late last year

noneed4sleep64 Good luck in the nanny state where false safety overturns the safety of the individual.

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I would say it...

Keith Torrence There was a case in Texas where two terrorists attempted to do a suicide attack in 2015. ONE COP with a single handgun shot and kill them. Not ONE person was killed. Yeah - a single handgun CAN protect you from a terrorist attack.

You mean like the one that two terrorist shot point blank outside of the Charlie Heebo office? Maybe it would be a good idea for that guy to be carrying - or how about the nut in your own country that tried to BEHEAD a guy in the subway and the police had trouble taking him down? The video of that is a complete embarrassment. Thankfully, that would never happen in the USA. You pull a knife on a cop here and the world will soon be rid of one more nut.

I thought you were from UK but perhaps I'm mistaken?

Keith Torrence I know some guys from New Zealand and they're a bunch of wanker horse thieves.

Well, somewhere at some place and time in another life outside of UKposts, I'm sure we could have a beer together.

S SC Money speaks in America, and the gun manufacturers and NRA have alot of money, therefore they have a very loud voice in Washington. Following the Sandy Hook Massacre several years ago, the one where a dozen or so 6 and 7 year old children were gunned down in their school, most Americans wanted something to be done. I believe it was like 87% of Americans following that massacre supported comprehensive background checks, a ban of assault rifles and a limit on magazine capacity. To get 87% of Americans to agree on anything is basically an act of god yet Congress couldn't push through a single piece of gun reform legislation. You are correct, its all so Sickening and frankly extremely embarrassing!

Video Stone The 87% quote comes from a pool conducted in three states; New York, New Jersey, and parts of Pennsylvania. Not exactly a cross section of America. And it explains why gun control failed in 2013.

S SC in south korea, 192 people die in an arson attack. In Canada, 36 children die in a school bombing. In England, acid attacks and vehicular homicide are both on the rise. In the USA, murder rates for non-criminals is less than one in 1,000- yet apparently, America is the one with the murder problem.

Ravid Düder Wait, I didn't know it was legal to own bombs in Canada.

2 million crimes prevented by guns.

If Americans were required to vote, the gun control that 85% of the country was in favor of would be a no-brainer. 92% is in favor of mandatory background checks. If we were required to vote, or hell, even if it was just easier to vote; the common sense stuff would pass.

+Mathew Hines If 85-95% of people truly supported that crap why is it such a huge portion of the population is happy when it fails? Although, that said, with anti-gun politicians going around lying to people about background checks, saying you can buy at a gunshow without them, buy guns online without them, buy guns in gunshops without them, I can see why at least a significant portion of gullible idiots would believe them. Still that falls way short of the 85-95 figures I see touted by you people. "Common sense." That phrase has lost all meaning thanks to the gun control movement.

Then you live under the fallacious thinking of Democracy and majority Rules which is a BAD idea. Think it through.We are a Republic. Forcing people who do not care either way to vote is the dumbest premise of all. If I do not want to vote I do not have to. If I wish to defend my life I want the tools to do it and not you or anyone else making me ask permission, dummy. Think things through, common sense is not common, majority rules is bad for minorities, Mr. Hines.

Well, to throw a wrench into your proverbial point. Not as a test, but in the interest of protecting my dogs from coyotes when they go out for runs, I did go to a gun show and buy a rifle. They let me walk out with a gun, and never even asked to see my state I.D. So, just saying. It does happen.

SyntheticBrilliance Safe bet, but I'm gonna ask anyway. Was it a private sale or a licensed dealer? Because if it was an individual, they probably didn't have a way to perform a check. No support is usually given to them for that, and the opposition prevents NICS from being available to the public. The only thing they can do is ask to see your CHP, if you have one. That said, not asking about for your ID and not writing any info down is extremely abnormal. I've bought and even sold at gun shows in multiple states and I've never not had to had over my ID or more. And when I had a table, absolutely everyone had a notepad and/or took a pic of the ID with their phone. You could even lose your table for the next day if you weren't doing that. Though that was the organizers rule, and not everyone would do the same. If it was a dealer, then they committed a crime, and this is really the issue I was addressing. Because so many politicians and opposition talking heads would have you believe that gun shows are a special place where background check laws are exempt, as opposed to a place where dealers and citizens congregate and do what they do the rest of the year as well. The line I always remember as the quintessential example of that talking point is from adoseofbuckley "unless you're at a gun show, which, hey what do you know, there happens to be one in the back room right now." Though he is far from the only one to express that view. Point is, gun shows do not circumvent background check requirements, there is not gun control loophole, at most there is a private sale loophole, which could be alleviated if NICS was opened up. A proposal that is strangely ignored or worse opposed by advocates for stronger gun control.

Spectre Gunship That's not a good comparison. A gun-wielding psychopath wants to shoot people, not a bunch of sheep.

***** Dickhead Roo rooter It is a good comparison both countries were the same then australia brought in draconian measures we didnt and same result

John Johnson Yeah/Nah

John Johnson There is no luck involved, Its the whole licensing process with extensive background checks and full interviews by Police Arms Officer of you, your partner and other significant people in your life Friends/Family. Interviewing officers are very experienced in picking up inconsistencys which while doesnt tell them "What" it causes further enquiries which could involve medical history etc. As far as stolen weapons go all Licence holders must have lockable steel cabinets(approved by Police) Bolts, if removeable and ammo must be locked in a separate cabinet ideally in a different place in your house/garage/property. These storage cabinets must also be bolted down or otherwise firmly affixed to floor/wall and are subject to regular Police inspection. Licenses are for a 10 yr period then must be renewed with full checks being done again. That fact is the system works

John Johnson Yes, but I believe it didnt need to go as far as it did in Australia to achieve good results

To be fair all those things just sound sensible. The biggest issue with the reform was it was never sensible.

i think he thought that crazy left wing people are making it a police state he probably thinks the storming of the capital was done by far left communists

It's like what Jim Jeffrey's said. In what world are you constantly fucking ready for being attacked? Do you sleep with your holster on and your gun loaded, or do you wear pajamas like the rest of us??

even funnier is the whole AR15 assault rifle for "self defence". Yes because in a closed, close range environment, exactly what you need is a long barrelled weapon. The thief has long since shot you and moved on......