ur profile pic had me whizzing....

yes

My jaw dropped

Not really.

There's more to it. I'm pretty sure that the picture represents Plato remembering the death of Socrates while himself is dying. Maybe that's why there's a guy lammenting and hugging the wall at his side. Maybe they're two different scenes.

You, then, should visit art museums more often.

@@decem_sagittae I do bro, and I'd love to see this painting in person someday.

It's so odd how knowledge has become a commodity. This is a symptom of sick money-based society.

@@pedrobahito Knowledge has always been prohibited from those who can not afford it.

right?!?!?!?!?!? i love this guy

Embarrassingly you still haven't taken the time to decipher its message and meaning and instead just accepted someone elses subjective interpretation.

@@Tyronejizz Last time I checked, I can like someone's opinion and still be able to form my own. If your professor commended your essay, does it mean that he accepts your pov as an irrefutable fact? Your comment is non-sequitur, buddy. What's your basis that I still haven't taken the time to decipher it on my own?

@@Tyronejizz lol get rekt kid

@@jasperyoung2466 "What's your basis that i still havent taken the time to decipher it on my own?" 1. You mentioning in your original that you learned it was a memory. 2. You admitted you never took the time to do so. 3. The fact that you're a philosophy major. Btw its not a non sequiter. Your comparison, however, is a false equivalency, _buddy_ . Instead of a professor giving compliments to the student you are more like a student giving praise to a proffesor without thinking about what you're being taught.

@@Tyronejizz Let me make this simpler for you bud. The original comment was *ten* months ago. *How did you know* that I did not bother to form my own opinion or advance my education within that period? As you’ve said, I **still haven’t** 10 months later after I made my comment. I didn’t know I had a personal assistant occupied with my preoccupations. And what makes you certain that I just praised his opinion without giving it thought? Can you read my mind? Isn’t it plausible that based on my own judgment and understanding of Greek philosophy and history, I thought his opinion was reasonable? It astounds me how you can’t wrap your head that one can compliment a pov, and still think independently. Just because I used the word “learned” doesn’t mean that i abide by it as dogma. It’s just another term for "I was made aware of". Like today, I learned about an internet stranger’s proclivity for baseless presumptions pulled out of his ass.

it’s the same as poems tooo or song it’s truly wonderful feeling you get :)

@@LOVE-wq4ku art is art, millions of kind of art exists but actally there is just one the art of expression

It's obvious. One must turn one's back on reality to remember it by reimagining it as an ideal.

he somehow could not remember in the same scene the wife. Which he then recalled in a second memory

It really makes sense considering that Plato is an old man in the painting, which is odd because he would've been about thirty when Socrates died.

Emphasized by the fact that Plato doesn’t even appear to take part in the scene, making it really seem a representation of a memory.

Exactly, that blew my mind.

Yeah me too

bull shit that was absolute trash

@@mohammedmagdy118 shutup idiot, you havent done anything to contribute to this world. You useless piece of shit.

@@mohammedmagdy118 Wow, your deep.

@@apollonmegara8220 That's very nice of you sir. your mama is gay. Have a nice day cheers.

made me cry

Oceane Iglesias same when he was talking about how plato described that he said his death was to teach his final lesson that death shouldn’t be feared by the philosopher and that it’s an implement of the soul Man Socrates was amazing

Yeah same

Amen brother

art is most beautiful thing there is...i belive in that

wow 1k likes n no reply how does that even happen?

😂😂😂😂was thinking that too

Same

@@ashesh8085 See this is why there should be no replies. If there is , it would have been meaningless as yours. Why should 1k liked comments needed replies? Just enjoy the pun and fly away. Now not only teh comment got replies but also you made me reply on this thread.

What does" ..skipped leg days " mean ?

xdeiri you know he was hittin that gym early and often. At 70 years old you can't get pecs or arms like that with out triangle push ups and curls for the girls. And look at that sitting position tummy! (heard he was on the juice though. Other paintings show a lot of back acne and he used to rage on Xanthippe, beat the shit out of her.)

And neither should you #swolelevelsocrates

I know is just a picture and not real socrates but man look at the size of those forearms lol He could crush coconuts with one hand.

Never skipper leg day aye

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I agree.. The way he describes paintings makes you look at art entirely different .. I've watched ALL of his videos several times 😉

Try sister Wendy's Art

What other analyses have you heard?

I don't like it when people overthink works of art either, but considering the artist signed his name twice in this piece, both times under prominent characters, I would think that adds credibility to the argument made in the video.

Josh Bean as well as the fact that David’s signature placement often had symbolic meaning

@@massivewon I think if anything it diminishes his argument. He explains the Crito signature as being a due to a personal connection, but then later writes off the second signature as David having a prophetic vision of the revolution that hasn't begun yet collapsing. It also ignores the differences in signatures: the one below Crito is his personal signature and is written in a calligraphic style which I would assume would be quite difficult to carve into stone if you look at it as being diegetic, whereas the one below Plato only his initials and is carved in a typical angular stone carving manner, making it the more believable diegetic signing. I don't know what the meanings are but I think the question is better focused on these aspects. Perhaps Nerdwriter was right that the personal signature below Crito indicates a personal connection from David, but also that the initials below Plato indicate a more political or philosophical association hence the use of a less personal and individual form of signature. If Rococo art was driven by hedonism and aristocratic ego, then it would make sense that Neoclassicism as a rejection of that art would be more humbled and less centred on the individual, and in the time immediately preceding the revolution, more focused on the role of the citizen. Sublimating that ego in the personal signature for the more democratic and civillian initials would be the embodiment of the revolution's _égalité_ and _fraternité_ .

Imagine thinking that David (an artist who literally only ever painted himself three times) signing a painting twice is in any way shape or form accidental and doesn’t speak to something more important. Lmao

Now you have moral justification to binge watch on UKposts.

Thank UKposts for cat videos

I had to take an Art History Class in College for a similar experience. I fully agree with your conclusion. This spread of knowledge is a blessing.

books

praise be the god called youtube of making our lifes so informative and pleasurable and changing the whole generation :D

Millicent THE WAY I WHEEZED! 😂

I love your brain.😂

Fried memes are our times picasso

lmaooo

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It can't... what you're hearing is 90 percent made up. Welcome to "art appreciation." So you can put your mind back in your head now.

It's can, the artist definitely did told a story. How viewers form their idea is up to them.

you philistine haha what are you talking about "made up"!

I have to inform you, that there are ideas and there are role models as two separate things, which means that not every truth is spoken by a role model.

A pictures worth a thousand words

Im a bit late, but this comment made me gaze at the picture for almost 15 more minutes.

Where can I get to know more about this picture? ☺☺☺

And what is that pot looking thing on that post and why is it missing in the shadow?

@@Daftchild89 its an ancient oil lamp on a pedestal; the wick burns out of the spout on one side; good point about it being missing in the shadow! maybe it has to do with the angle of the light source...

Well interpreted ...

Yea, they were really awesome. I admire them.

It's nothing we can't do in the modern world, infact we can do everything they did in the past better than them using an advanced form of technology. But there are certain forces opposing such developments today. Have been for more than a century, really.

@@sol___invictus "Art" today is Banana taped to a wall mate, come on now

@@sridharprasanth8833 Because no single invididual today likes to create anatomical paintings?

@@sridharprasanth8833 There’s a world of art out there, you just have to find it

I’m currently feeling: jealous !!!!!

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I laughed so hard at this

Tushar Kumawat can‘t claim credit this is actually a t-shirt

Hahaha you ruined it in a good way

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most art is fan art

So is the Academy of Athens, by it escapes my mind.

@88 that made me imagine an artist who was slow making everybody at the execution stop for him to sketch the painting.

Plato and Socrates aren't copyrighted. Fan art is art about copyrighted stuff.

@ÖC Rohan Kishibe

I noticed during an interview review of the movie Get Out, that some viewers comment interpreted the scenes in numerous ways even the director never thought of it and he actually loved these interpretations from the viewer point of view.

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I saw another comment point out that it's eerily around the feet of the man handing the poison

This sounds too much like contemporary modernist "anti-government" bias which strikes me as esp. off because 1.) given how highly regarded the concept of citizenship was in Athens, if--and because--it was very limited to who could possess it. Citizenship here required that citizens partake of public affairs--both the requirement and reward of citizenship. Today's anti-governmentalism is very anti-public--it's the private sphere that has, oddly, all the virtues, even when in ancient Athens it was public service that was esp. virtuous as such conversance and participation among one's fellow men was understood as being a part of both the use of and the development of one's rational faculties, and 2.) the intentions of David here who wasn't railing against the evils of government either esp. in favor of some libertarian utopian sense of the private sphere. He is subtly critiquing France's absolutist monarchicalism in favor of republican ideals as influenced by Rousseau. This is also implicitly found in his _Oath of the Horatii_ where we see the patriotic defense of one country (the city-state of Rome during the early Roman Kingdom) with the martial defense of the homeland a part of this active citizenship and so one of the noted ideals of civic virtue in Greco-Roman discourses informing classical republicanism. So, the claim is guilty of a presentism fallacy. The broken chain has two meanings. The first suggests Socrates' liberation from his death sentence by taking the option he refused--fleeing into exile, as encouraged by his friends and students (see the dialogue _Crito_ ). For Socrates, this action would be dishonorable as flouting the law as he was condemned by a legitimate Athenian court and civic virtue required obedience to the law. Secondly, and much more importantly, the broken chain is directly tied to Socrates' heavenward pointing finger. The painting deals with Socrates' dialogue on the soul as found in the _Phaedo_ . The overriding theme of that dialogue is the Pythagorean idea that "the body is the prison-house of the soul" as the latter's heavenly purity, repose and eternalness are corrupted by the former's obsessively restless need to satisfy the impermanent (and eventually unfulfilling) needs of earthly bodily life. So, by dying, Socrates is pointing out that his soul can go to its proper heavenly home as liberated or free, as no longer chained to its earthly prison-house.

@@sail2byzantium Fairly confident he's not referring to the the "governments of men" as the state, but just to the material or earthly world that governs men's lives.

Amazing

@@akyde1552 I'm fairly confident that this sense or interpretation of the phrase cannot work. "Governments of men" is a very precise phrase (esp. as backed by the use of the word "shackled") and cannot be taken as a generic descriptor of earthly existence in the abstract (which can encompass much more than political governance). It is directly referencing politics (or the state as you put it), as the institutions humans constitute to govern themselves. And Mr. Buckley points out that this, and precisely this, is what Socrates is being freed from (had he said "Socrates is being freed from the travails of human existence," you might have a point--but this is not what he said. He said something much more precise.). And, again, this is not the sense to be found in the thought of Socrates and Plato who were not anti-government libertarians (Plato: "The punishment suffered by the wise *who refuse to take part in the government* , is to live under the government of bad men." Republic I. 347c. Hardly a libertarian sensibility of forsaking the public in favor of private life. In fact, it condemns it). Nor is this David's sense either whose sensibilities here fall within the tradition of classical Republicanism, esp. as seen in his prior picture, _The Oath of the Horatii_ , which defends an active public life and the idea of civic virtue. Modern US libertarianism would see "civic virtue" as a contradiction in terms.

Check out the book, "Sister Wendy's story of painting". After a few readthroughs it will completely change your appreciation of art.

Ryan Kelly underrated

I never been enlightened like this before! Thank you for imparting knowledge to us common people!😆😆😆

looks like some old pokémon fighting 😂😂

without youtube I would've not graduated

this made my day XDD

I AGREE

Andre Maines You are a fool to believe your current set of moral values is applicable to someone 2000 years ago. All your moral values are heavily influenced by the people around you. If you were to live in Greek society in those days you would probably have two small boys as sex slaves while complaining that other people are denying the existence of the gods. Moral is a subjective set of social rules forced upon us by our will to fit in.

Andre Maines No i try to explain to you that it's crazy to apply your own current moral values upon historic society's. Of course I am not in favor of pedofelia because I live in 2018 and we know that this is both harmful and really traumatic to children. Greek society 's however had very different thoughts on this matter and raised their kids accordingly. If you were to be brought up in that kind of society you would be highly likely be in favor of the same moral values as your peers. Moral is a very subjective and ever changing phenomenon

@@koenvanseuren3249 Does morality change? Or does our interpretation of it change?

Maurits no need to use big words when you talk to make us like you, or else there’s more than one way how some guys talk, not just your own style, which is quite smooth as it is

+1

I welled up when the painter's first signature was pointed out. The painter, reaching for Socrates...

My jaw dropped when we suggested it might be a memory.

yesss when he was like "an explosion from the back his head.." bruhh i wasnt even ready

Andre, you seem to not be paying attention to the word "WAS".

Film production.

+Nerdwriter1 Soundtrack for the ending of each Understanding Art video?

+Nerdwriter1 can i get the name of the piano song at the end ?

+Nerdwriter1 Majored in Film as well, love your stuff, takes me back.

+Nerdwriter1 It shows.

You mean this Star Wars Dude

Jar-Jar is the key to all of this.

Glad it helped. I often have trouble too. That's why I did this.

To paraphrase that one guy with the cigar, sometimes a painting is just a painting.

you do realize that an oil painting of that magnitude would literally take years to finish XD Oil artists can't afford to make random rash decisions, unless they're small details, in the middle of painting.

Purple Demon unless they're just awesome like that

yes, who doesn't like a bald guy at the end of the table.. that's common thing to do. lol...you are just dumb

it'd be out of place or take a lot of additional time, it's like throwing in a single noodle in the middle of boiling

No

Degenerate

gijijijijijijijijijijji There was also the fact that he was a fairly old man for the time. Likely death was on his mind already.

Yes, he spent his last hours discussing with his friends about the immortality of the soul

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And to that I would add that by not accepting exile he also pretended to make justice by not allowing the state to take the high road of letting him live. By his choice he judges and sentences the state for the crime of his execution.

Felipe Morales Protesting through obedience. That's kind of badass.

Very good point, I had forgotten about that!

ErebosGR not always

I totally agree! I made a quick sketch of this painting in PS and realised that the vanishing point in this painting is exactly set on the head of Death.

Plato is also symbolic of God in the style he is depicted. Perhaps the painter is making the statement that God himself would feel shame that his followers could decide the death of a keen and influential mind like Socrates, in his name nonetheless.

Sonata Tracey I thought the same!

Sonata Tracey I agree that the figure could very well represent death. After all, art is meant to be interpreted, and not one answer is correct. However the supposed Plato is looking down in anguish, to me it does not appear that he is indifferent. It is more that he is looking down and thinking, possibly about the death of the man the inspired him the most and one of his most noble moments.

Could it be that Plato is that young man giving the poison to Socrates? I guess, I should read about it. But the assumption about Plato being that old man sounds too strong too me.

The Garlock Bob Ross! 😃

After listening to all the in depth opinions about this painting and reading the discussions it brought on about what ALL it could mean and maybe does mean...I absolutely adore your comment! Lol! It made me smile and think "these are my people"! Lol. I just so didn't get a lot of what all everyone was saying but your comment I did! Yay me! Lol! Thank you for that!

I really love your comment (unironically)

God bless!

Thanks, Joel.

Nerdwriter1 keep doing your thing sir, you're an inspiration. :-)

I agree. This is great!

But you CAN do it after getting a job right?

Panzerjäger Tiger-P-Elefant Ferdinand I’m prepared to bet he’s not working as a biologist ! Tee hee hee

@@johnlawrence2757 lel, 'why does life always go the way you want it to' lol

Panzerjäger Tiger-P-Elefant Ferdinand you need to want things for yourself that are life-affirming and then there will be no opposition to their fulfilment - none that matters anyway!

hey man I'm thinking about majoring in Biology, can you tell me how it works? About the job market and stuff... Thanks

+Nicole Marie Ok

Nikola Tesla That's a stupid thing to say lol

I know your comment is rather old and I don't want to seem like your average "neckbeard" citing the usual "omg im liek that girls jst don like nice guyz like me!!1!", and I also don't want to seem condescending / give you a feeling as if I see myself to be more mature or lecturing, but as I saw that your comment is one of the more liked and your words kind of do resonate a little with me, I felt the need to answer, because I do believe that you're tricking yourself with this. See, you don't know much about this man, all we know about him is his youtube persona and that he possesses knowledge of art. For all we know he could be a racist, a criminal, or simply be citing things he heard throughout his education. As someone who does have a lot of contact to people like that I'd have to say: I've made a lot of bad experiences. During my time in training, most people I found where either complete dunces, unaware and ignorant to anything that doesn't fit their ideals of what is and isn't good art and there were those who would consider only that which has been acknowledged by the majority to be worth their time at all. These people could tell you the exact same thing that NW just did, they could analyze the painting and probably give some kind of opinion on it, but these aren't necessarily people I would like to socialize with nonetheless. What I did find out though is that there has been much more room for discussion and interesting exchange of ideas in mixed groups of people, where there were also individuals many of my former classmates would consider "dunces". I'm not getting to the point where I'd say "all those art-guys are snobs", no, what I'm getting at that I found individuals with a much more artistic spirit among all those different groups than there were densely packed in my art school (for a lack of a proper English term, sorry, it's not my native language). Simply because they had something I'd call "intellectual curiosity" and ofc humor. I have a friend who literally told me of artistic value that's to be found in kids shows and parallels to that and major cult classics such as citizen kane, I know a man who, if you look at him, anyone would probably consider to be stuck up bureaucrat who, as a hobby sells abstract paintings for thousands of Euros. Again, I do not want give the impression that I feel like I'd know better than you, specially when talking about what YOU want, but as someone who does feel familiar with your words, I just want to share with you my experience and that would be that as long as you stay open minded and look for open minded people instead of looking at who and what they are on paper, you'd be able to surround yourself with people you can discuss anything with you want with and come to a satisfying conclusion. Pardon the wall of text.

What the hell? Now I'm really interested, which kids shows?

Danny omg for someone who doesn't want to come off as condescending you sure come off as condescending. And you are being EXACTLY the 'girls don't like nice guys' person despite the fact you think you're escaping that by dressing it up. Why is it so hard to credit women with the intelligence to know what choices they're making? And why do you think a presumably grown woman saying 'a man thoughtfully discussing art is really hot' is a teaching opportunity? Why do so many men presume that the fact that the women they like don't want to date them is because they, the man, is being misunderstood or their real self not seen by women? In fact women, by dint of socialisation, tend to be far more emotionally intelligent and socially perceptive than men. You tell the OP off for fancying someone 'without knowing anything about them' and then produce a wall of text presuming to know her based on her single, short comment, and presuming that you have something to teach her. Grow up and stop treating women like children who need to be taught how to appreciate men better. We're allowed to fancy who we want, it's got nothing to do with you.

Ah, the wisdom of a child.

Slap Stick In defense of modern art, abstractions can be beautiful--and I like to think of it as how an artist will focus on an individual element or interplay of elements, shapes/form/geometry and the beauty therein. Kind of like a different way of storytelling. In this case maybe Andy Warhol is the updated version of Rococo? :)

gennesis gastilo There is a'lot of beautiful abstract art with the characteristics you described... Also, if there is harmony, brush stroke quality, use of space, layers, and so on. But not much thought is put into a Warhol.

hahaha

+Mr. Sir I'm certainly no NerdWriter, but college and books found in the annals of collegiate libraries....They'll bring you up to speed on a lot of things so long as you remain critical and read more than one opinion.

Thank you!