Everyone suffers from permanent death? why do you need to put permanent before death?

U could just use a revive spell, also what som dem were innocent

Whos victims?

The thing is …at least these prisoners kind of know when they gonna die .. where as we dnt know when our death will come .. but it defo will come defo…

@@gregorycook5305 “murder” and “death penalty”?

You missed the point entirely.

If anything, that’s another great reason to never release them…

@@kovy689 No one is talking about releasing anyone in the video

@@KLienne Wasn’t talking to you…

I agree with you yet in keeping a person who is mentally ill in prison for life versus the death penalty seems like a conundrum because either way tax payers will pay the price for either outcome. It makes me wonder, despite the crime committed that sentenced that person to the death penalty, does their execution cost less than housing them in prison for life? Others could question and wonder - what do tax payers get out of spending money on a person who should never be free?

Ikr this lady acting like he is a saint. All the top comments are like nah this guy deserves to be there lol.

God shows us mercy EVERYDAY.

Well he might have a mental illness, that’s could be why he did those murders a mind problem

So we should base our judicial system off of our emotions?

​@soccerguy325 the definition of a hero is someone who has made an ethical decision despite the difficulty.

@@benjaminfranklin8412 I don't care what the definition of a hero is. What I care about is how we engage with our criminal justice system. We don't need "heroes" to dole out punishment.

Yawn.

I'm your 183rd like. Lets get this to 200 :)

And why do we care

Yes yes yes yes

​@@bradygamess Speak for yourself bud, you need to change "We" to "I"

@@codyjohnson2821 Why do you care?

Are we really more than just mammals. Maybe the most disciplined, the smartest, so we are allowed to control ourselves through our intelligence, but yes we don't have full control, but we all try

This is fiction. Did you check if anyone there has the body parts required to play?

@@bunk95 who cares if it's fiction or not i stand by what i said😅😅

Educate yourself on mental illness

You can be in prison and be innocent. You can defend yourself and kill someone and still tried and convicted.

@@thepurplevelvet “thanks for [the story],” Jeff Tweedy.

This lady is always on the inmates side

Of course it is. One look at that lady and the short hair and you know she’s a commie. 😎✌🏻

Exactly, as a former CO people like her and this idealistic mentality is why I left. She is living in a dream world

I'm constantly in Prisons. It depends on the prison. My grandmother's older brother was in prison for life for a double murder. A crime of passion. The only reason they didn't fry him was cause he took out two other blacks, so being in the south, they didn't see it as such a bad thing. He did them a favor. He definitely deserved to be in prison, but there are people there that are falsely accused and then there are some that are there for smaller nonviolent things. I have clients that were in for attempted murder or manslaughter that now that they are out are better behaved then people who have never been in at all. I would say that for me, I need an already documented history of mental illness. Just saying it because they are no realizing the gravity of what they have done isn't quite enough for me. I would have to do more research.

It wouldnt be a very interesting show if she just had 30 second interviews where she told everyone "You're a monster, die." She plays devil's advocate because these are important topics and the discussion is just as important. Maybe there are lessons we can learn from these cases to prevent future tragedy

Sadly a lot of people with Schizophrenia and similar disorders don't like taking their meds or don't think they need them....and then they end up in the bad situations.

I agree while having schizophrenia doesn't make you anymore violent than the next person. Not taking medication along with other factors such as substance misuse and having visual and auditory hallucinations can be a dangerous mix. There needs to be a lot more community support too for them and their families to monitor these things.

@@mysterymaverick1982 you couldn’t be more right. My mom has her house attached to the back of my grandmas and they make sure everything is okay. Plus it gives her company.

Vice reporters are ripe for manipulating

Exactly.

...and some are EXTREMELY MENTALLY ILL. ...which is why we need to learn to tell the difference. It's essential that we understand everything we can about the link between mental disorders and violent crime.

@@clicheguevara5282 Sometimes they are both. Have you ever considered that? Then what?

​@@clicheguevara5282an excuse used to justify/excuse abhorrent behavior rather than take responsibility fir one's actions.

Agreed! I hate that some ppl believe that’s a justifiable excuse.

Mental illness as it's portrayed being prevalent, like anxiety, ptsd, depression, and so on are a hoax.

Is anyone saying it is?

Literally nobody (Himself included) is saying that Jesus did you even watch the video ?

​@@jman0022just ignore the politician defending him lmao

Do men that cut their child's heart out and kill their wives deserve "compassion" or "kindness"? I mean think of the sentence you just typed out lol, are you completely disconnected from reality ?

She did a good job, but at the same time I feel like she casts the criminals like they are the true victims. I feel sorry for people that have mental illness, but it absolutely can not ever be acceptable to use it as an excuse for killing. The people who did not get to speak at trial, and the people who did not get to speak during this VICE episode, are the victims. We don't get to hear how they suffered as they were dying, and we don't get to hear their side of the story. I was in favor of capital punishment before watching this, and after watching this, my opinion has not changed, nor will it ever.

Put yourself fully in the position of a victims family, would you really be impressed? It was uncomfortable, not great reporting and the subject was made vague - not clearly about the death penalty, methods used, or prevention of mental illness. Nearly all inmates have a history of it or some trauma, victims need compassion too. The son of the woman GG killed works to raise awareness of the signs of domestic abuse.

@@petef.4361 She probably didn't see the murder scene, the bodies or the toll on the families. I'm not in favour of corporal punishment but couldn't guarantee I wouldn't feel like taking that kind of revenge if it was my child or mother.

@@H-youtube7 Your comments are valid and very fair, and I do see the points you are making. After watching some more VICE episodes with this particular reporter, she does seem to skew to one side of the story, and she certainly could do a better job at showing all sides.

Bunch of bullsh!t

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They only have this so called mental illness when they are in the process of committing a murder. Any other time they are sane. To me real mental illness is when you walk out in the middle of the freeway during rush hour but these people have enough since not to do that but not enough since not to commit murders.

Well how many ppl does he have to kill before you say he has a mental illness

Knew exactly what he was doing.... miss me with the sob story....

thank you, please stay safe

We don't need mental education, we need access to mental care. Lack of access to medicine costs lives.

Very true if more people were educated on what could happen to them in the future instead of just being immature in school. I think that could help kids be more understanding of others too, very much a win win for society. If we were taught about it than someone having something happen to them could realize whats happening instead of hurting others.

@@cancerino666We need both in my opinion someone may not know to seek out care and think the way they're living is normal and not realize a better life is possible for them

Or maybe adults and parents who work with children should be educated on mental illness because that would reach a lot of possible jury members and allow people to identify early signs, though most people don’t develop it until they are grown up. So…

drowning a child to death is beyond evil.

​@@chipwilliams6236hmm

Ya

There’s a documentary about this case (I think on Amazon Prime?), and he participates in that as well

Nobody wants to talk about how the health care system is beyond repair and for people with mental illness it’s basically impossible to do anything. The only people that benefit are the very few who actually respond well to the antidepressants doctors shove down our throats every day and become dependent on. There’s no such thing as getting to see a therapist that k owns what they’re doing unless you have the money to pay for a good one, otherwise the lower class/poor therapists that are offered are glorified guidance counselors

This 👆

​@@Anime2077ttvlmao be honest with yourself most don't take their meds or don't give them time to work, they use drugs, and they try to self Medicate and act like doctors aren't doing anything. Most of it is on us to take better care of ourselves. Proper nutrition, sleep, etc. People are just shitty.

Same thing here in the UK.

Best statement here

I agree 100%

The pastor that appeared is Jeff Hood, he has his own agenda.

i get it, but they are using it as a way to say “state sponsored murder”

@@alw_9911 you said it better.

@@alw_9911 I understand that is what they meant. innocent people have definitely been put to death by the state. I don't support the death penalty. I don't know why, but the used that protester used just didn't sit right with me for this situation. It's complicated I guess.

They can not take rejection. Black femicide happens every 4.8 hours due to inability to move on, being told no/take rejection, and domestic violence.

EVERY 1.75 HRS NOW.

I’m so sick of them being portrayed as victims.

And liberal white women fall for it

Frr mam

Cry more.

​@@aliceglado they're all still on death row where they belong bro, we're happy, you the one crying

Nasty work

Reading this grossed me out, oml. That is HORRIFYING

Oooweee 🤦🏾‍♂️

Yes !! 😮 really insane that people could even do such things smh

@@v.g7279RIGHT, maybe he’s not human

So that an innocent person isn’t executed

@@holahovito11 naw, 20 years plus, naw... I've heard that in some prisons the inmates commit murder because the regime is less strict on death row and they know that they are still going to be alive for quite a long time.

​@@holahovito11yet they've done that before. Doesn't seem to be working well.

Sweaty socks 🧦 who care what a jock thinks ffs

Appeals happen and it takes them. Also lawyers can quit or fired by their clients

Exactly and i watched this story on Evil Lives Here, he killed the mom and little girl out of jealousy/insecurity, he was not her bio dad and she had a close relationship with her own dad who was still very involved in her life😢

Mentally weak people are easy to break

My problem is..,...WHY THESE WOMEN ,(MANY HAVE KIDS ALREADY) IN THESE RELATIONSHIPS ALWAYS PUT THEIR KIDS IN THESE SITUATIONS.....

@@user-zr3jv6bt5j probably because they cant see the future?

@@aaa-hs3it Maybe they could do background checks.....You think 🤔🤔🤔 Maybe .......just a thought.........But,if you , yourself let people into your house that your perogative..... Stay safe

Exactly

A big wide river! Such bs

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Exactly

right, now he talking some mess

Me, too. If I remember correctly, the little girl he drowned had a disability.

He ate one

let him live with you.

@@xreediculousx we’re not talking about who he lives with. We’re talking about whether he lives or dies.

@@donnellcorbett7077 apparently that didn’t make him mad enough..

​@@tomatofaceddisgracelet him live with you

You know you make a good point, I think we always assume this because of the old eat poop in court to avoid jail thing.” But we rarely get into the actual punishments. Now are you certain these guys never get let off ? I’m not an expert on the matter

Hello! Forensic nurse here that works with NGRI’s(in my state it’s called :Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity). So, many of the people I serve have committed anywhere from very minor felonies(petty theft, A&B on family, drug related issues, a few with more serious crimes) and honestly the majority of them it was their first offense and if they just served time in jail, they may have already been released by now. Most times, if they do end up being released, they are on “conditional release status” which can last the entirety of the rest of their lives, meaning that at anytime they can be readmitted to a state hospital for as ever long as the court seems fit.

Another thing is that after you serve your full sentence in jail, you are released without papers(aka no parole). So they can freely live where they want, move to another state or country, while many NGRI’s have to ask permission to do most things.

I was lookin for this comment.

I got diagnosed with schizophrenia and I never killed or raped anybody I do not have much violent behavior in my history but I did destroy some property at my parents house and now I don't have my gun rights anymore, something that would normally be a standard right for any normal person if they chose to exercise that freedom. I also doubt I could ever get off medication without things becoming much worse for me so I have to deal with the many side effects caused by the medication while at the same time I have developed a high tolerance to the therapeutic, mentally stimulating, qualities of the medication. Also about 95 percent of schizophrenics smoke cigarettes and I doubt I could ever quit them. And just the people that I met in the mental health system all turned out to be toxic after they had already worked themselves into a entanglement with my life. Dead end friends. Some sane, normal, productive in society type people seem to understand me and that helps me but others will have nothing to do with me because of the stigma. And did I mention that my entire adult life has turned out nothing like I would've ever imagined after going through mental health but it is what it is so I gotta make the best of it. The disability checks aren't much and are a fixed income. Having a mental illness has its struggles in a variety of ways whether it leads a person to engage in inappropriate behavior or not. We used to just lock everyone up who had mental problems until we realized that doesn't work. And it's not like anyone ever did a scan of my brain, I am schizophrenic because of exhibiting bizarre behavior and from how I told my doctor I felt.

I have a daughter with the same disorder and I agree the system is broken.

I am so sorry for all of the loss, on all levels. You deserve to know this information, as it's pertinent to the case and serving justice. I also have an adult child with the same issues and the law prevents me from helping them, while the state prevents them from helping themselves. It's also happened to a life long friend with her adult child as well, who ended up serving time. While serving time her daughter was denied medication and my friend had to fight for months to have her placed in a facility that would allow her medication. The reason the crime was committed in the first place is because she wasn't taking her meds. Which is quite common. Can you afford a private investigator, or have access to law libraries? If you can't afford help I would suggest setting up a go fund me type account to hire someone. If you do, please leave the link here and I will donate. Rest in peace to your beautiful grandson.

I have schizoaffective disorder. I don’t think I’m that of a liability. I hallucinate constantly. Sounds like your son is a brat and find whatever little excuse he has for his mental illness. Good that you want him psych ward but the point is to get better

🥺 very sorry

The only real illness they got is psychopathy. And if you got no emotions you easily use that space to mimic other mental disorders. I remember this case about the hill side strangler who saw on tv while in prison a documentary about mulitple personality disorder and he tricked everybody for some time into thinking he got it. Even one well known doctor wrote a long documentation about his illness and then the murderer just said "ok sry I made it up".

1000%

Exactly,but most female with kids don't want to b alone

Not according to the constitution.

@WLDB well. Even if he fights for clemency. It will be denied. Because he has caused so much devastating impact on the victim and the victims children. In the end, he needs to own up to his crimes and take accountability. He is really not a victim at all. He is considered a menace to society.

How would you like it if you had a mental health issue, committed murders and now no1 has sympathy for you, think about it bro

Master manipulation is not a mental illness

Oh wow ... My wife is a Dr of Psychology, previously a clinician and criminologist who now advises governments world wide. No professional could come to your conclusion from a video news report ... and frankly, neither can you. Let's face facts here for you, you know nothing about mental illnesses. So maybe cease posting such utter dross.

@@captainblacktooth371where’s the ACCOUNTABILITY 👎🏾

​@captainblacktooth371 nope, he's just evil and full narc, among other disorders... is what is

What are your credentials?

...just don´t blame the perpetrator of the crime. blame the illness. and deal with the situation in the best way possible.

Well if itz a mental illness then thier is no excuse is there ? 😮🤦‍♂️

​@@sublime_death_1789tgere are schizos who dont kill

@@sublime_death_1789it’s still no damn excuse, nor does it make it any better. Those innocent babies didn’t even have the chance to grow up, it’s not our job to play god. So regardless if you have a mental illness or not, if you take a life then you should lose your life!! 😢

not always sometimes it is the very reason a crime was commited but ic what your getting at

You need to wake up.. that something wrong deep down is called sin and every human being is a sinner going all the way back to Adam and Eve.. God's gave every one of us a conscience to know right from wrong. Mental illness is simply the devil doing whatever he wants to you because you aren't following God, really is simple as that. When they say they can treat mental illness, all they're doing is slapping a Band-Aid on something instead of getting at the root of the issue

Justice 🎉

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Justice. Lots of us survived torture. By a repeat offender.

@@pennyc11 I’m not gonna say he didn’t deserve it but the rest of the world still looks at us like we’re Neanderthals with our approach to capital punishment

@@mantistoboggan2599 Exactly - would never happen in Denmark or any other western country in Europe. Belarus is the only European country who still have the death penalty. First of all, death penalty is not an option - because the system would be considered no better than the criminal. Death penalty doesn't belong in a modern society. Next, people with severe mental illness who are psychotic in the moment of their crimes, should be treated for their mental illness and sentenced to lifelong treatment if serious crimes. It is possible to distinct between psychosis and manipulative behavior. Actually we are quite good at that, the US too, among other things using malingering tests. I think the worst thing in the US system is the failure not to give people proper treatment - it's a huge failure. Way too primitive for a western country.

Ohh lort 😅

Exactly

Just say you don't understand mental illness.

what happens if the person doesn't or isn't able to understand that the accused is able to understand that they are being sentenced to death did you watch the whole video this is talked about? there is also a lack of psychological services clearly in Texas and understanding about mental illness. It helps to step out of an eye for an eye mentality.

Imagine watching this whole video and still being too thick-skulled to understand the point.

Agreed! 👏

It's about how the severity interacts with what you use to support yourself

Probably on your "TO DO" LIST

thank you,dovebar,,you understand..

You just haven't reached your breaking point yet.

Or the hospital.

These facilities will send you away until you actually do something illegal. The system is broken

You clealry didnt watch the video nor understand how mental illness works.

If someone said no to the first three questions, and then said yes to the fourth, I feel like they probably knew it was wrong but lied. People wouldn't conceal a body if they didn't consider it to be wrong, unless I guess they view it as legally wrong but not morally wrong.

Thank u

@@user-sf9gs2pg1b I agree.

Perfectly explained! 💯

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This everyone is choosing to be dense rn

Imagine thinking you can “prevent” creeps.

We haven't really changed how we deal with it for 100 years. Some say bring back the 1950s mental health help not knowing any new advice

@@famousmortimer7933 there deluded evil is evil. meds and mental health propaganda aren't going to do nothing but get more people addicted to hard drugs.

Which is a shame. I’m sorry you experienced that

The same happened with me, but with depression/bipolar. My mother thought a diagnosis would be a hinderance for future prospects. It wasn't until the school forced my mom to take me to counseling after I tried hanging myself in a school bathroom(and to be honest yes, I did it for attention because I was begging for help and nobody was doing anything, so I thought if I was caught trying to kill myself it would force action)

Wow a lot of parents think this way instead of getting them the help they need

Parents are failing their children all the time. Many parents secretly hold their children in contempt. They have children for narcissistic reasons. One in 5 ppl have NPD supposedly.

Parents are willfully ignorant. They also covertly hold their children in contempt. Read “For your own good “, book by Alice Miller.

Agreed.

Foh They’re biased a lot of them don’t even believe in the death penalty until something happens to their family and then they’re all for it🤡😆🤣😂

Because people keep excusing the killers like unaware children

​@budgonstopCANYELO Their ignorant selfish narcissistic minds can't see past their own bllsht.

it's not about feeling sorry for them, or excusing what they did, it's about understanding the so many reasons (sometimes severe mental illness) that may drive the person to do such horrific things. obviously, these people deserve to be punished, but there are so many layers and reasons why this occurs. if there wasn't, we wouldn't have criminals.

To sociopaths like you.

I do

if a person is acting OUTSIDE of their rational mind, and is controlled by forces that they themselves cannot control - then yeah, of course I feel sorry for them. What's so hard to understand about that?

I'm genuinely curious, what do the voices sound like? Do they sound like your voice or a separate entity? I believe my late brother had this as well

@@MarjyGTV They sound like normal people. They sounded like strangers to me, and then there are other voices that sound like my family members/friends. The strangers’ voices would come and go. For me, there was around a total of 15+ people. And on random days, there would be an extra new voice that came in, and one voice in particular, sounded so demonic and deep. It scared the hell out of me. They would all speak in third person, saying stuff in regards about me “She thinks she can draw” “She’s 21 but doesn’t know how to play COD” “She’s getting mad at her mom” and “I feel bad for her mom” and “She listens to us but doesn’t listen to her mom” - The upsides of schizophrenia for me was that, I began sleeping early, started cooking more, and started drawing more. And tried using less water. I’ve started to change these habits, also I rarely sleep early, and I only draw when bored. I started listening to these voices, and some of them gave me some real good advice or suggestions. Like when I was at work, a lot of coworkers were harassing me saying I look mean and that my eyes look terrifying. When I went home, I heard these women outside (schizophrenia voices) saying that “They’re jealous of her because she looks pretty” so on the upside I felt like I had supporters on my side. But on the negative side, I was getting sexually harassed by some of the voices. I used to believe someone stuck a hidden camera in my private bathroom watching me shower. Previously, with my schizo, when I was about to go sleep, I heard like 3-4 different voices at night, of people having a loud conversation about me and watching me shower and changing my clothes and they’d compliment my ass etc. I was horrified and the thing is, whenever I felt scared etc, these people KNOW what I’m feeling. I also had these voices threatening to put my bathroom video online to expose me. Then one old lady outside I heard, “She looks petrified” Then I also hear on some days, these voices would tell me to go kill myself or drink poison because I’m useless to society. I mainly hear them say that on days when I’m fed up at work. I would get home all stressed and fed up, drinking alcohol. .. I could go on and on about this. There’s a million more. Sorry this comment is getting out of order. If you want I can explain more. But everyone’s schizophrenia is different. But the thing is schizophrenia has its ups and down sides. It’s not always negative. But the trigger to my schizophrenia was due to me getting mobbed (basically a term for getting bullied by an entire group, in my scenarios, the entire workplace including all of the HR , admin, managers, supervisors, coworkers, they ganged up on me for quite some months.) so then after 2-3 months in working there, I started experiencing schizophrenic auditory hallucinations. So the mobbing was getting worse ALONG with even triple the voices at work. So it felt like it was the end of the world for me. I was both getting mobbed and hearing hallucinations. Then I went to a psychiatric hospital basically, a mental asylum- and then my schizophrenia was HORRIBLE there as well. And I got mobbed there too, along with hearing more voices. Idk. Anyways. That’s my story. I think after this whole experience, I just know that bullying someone again and again- will eventually give the victim PTSD first.. and if it persists longer, schizophrenia will begin as well. It’s what happens when someone has experienced too much harassment and trauma. Bullies don’t know this and they don’t know how their words can affect someone’s mind. The mind works well but it’s so complicated at the same time.

My schizophrenia still exists, but it’s subtle. The symptoms appear whenever people have loud convos around me, or when I’m working around loud machinery, loud dishwasher machines, etc. That’s why I can’t stand crowds anymore like I used to. The mumbling on TV, from far away, sounds like the TV was badmouthing me. But as I got closer to the TV-- it was a guy just narrating a commercial. But, ever since I’ve been mobbed at one workplace, it has never been the same in my mind. My mind, with schizophrenia, has changed my personality entirely. My mom evens thinks I get possessed or something because I look scared of everyone when I enter a store or public area with her.

Exactly! United stupid of America

You clearly know nobody with these severe mental issues.

After 100 years of seeing cases like this u get used to it and come up with mew advice to help that has never been used before

@@KingZealotTactics its not real thats maybe why only people in large countries are getting drugged and tricked into believing there ill and accepting the label

If he has these issues, he is too dangerous to be free

Mentally ill people are not always capable of thinking from a mercy perspective. Often, they are triggered and responding to their brain telling them things that are not accurate.And sometimes, emotions trigger it. Their brains dont view situations in a correct way. And some have no emotions at all. And those are the scariest

@@dianeitani8368 well if that’s their situation, they should be discarded and not amongst us.

totally normal comment from a well-adjusted, empathetic person

@@annabrewer8054 You have no empathy for the victims. You have no empathy, just sympathy. It's not the same.

Exactly.

taking mental health seriously i translate that to pay more taxes. Whos gonna pay for that?

@@devdr8983 Well the government would obviously need to be the one to take action. Our taxes as grossly misused, take some of that money we are already paying and give therapists a fair wage for the work we do.

@@lpbbinc do you even know how big of a debt your government has???

@@lpbbinc do you know how big of a debt your government has?

@@devdr8983 Yes I do. That's why I proposed reallocating funds toward mental health - not spending more.

Mental institutions were atrocious and far more inhumane then the prisons we have today, that’s why we shut them down lol. A republican president did that too

Absolutely, privateisation of prisons is stupid. We all know it leads to cuts in staff etc. the happiest countries in the world pay almost half their wages in tax and everything is paid for, from the cradle to the grave. I live in New Zealand and we have free healthcare (except doctors visits that are free for under 5 and subsidised for others, free education up to university, free water, so it helps those who can’t put aside money for those unforeseen issues.

That would require people to have the balls to put them in there and not let them out

Our country has never had a working mental health system. What are you smoking?

We need proper institutions. Not what we had before.

I have no empathy for your kind

@@aliceglado I like your spirit, but maybe we should not let these people drag us down to their level..?

nobody asked you to have empathy. the rest of the world does not care about you, or your narcissistic "look at me" bullshit.

Link?

Notice how hulking big he is, some women like that, and don't survive it.

@@jeep19 So much she liked it, she divorced him less than 90 days in. You speak like a frustrated short or weak male who’s ego was hurt by ‘some women’, nothing else. What a loser, i can assure you tho, that’s not the only reason they don’t like you

I saw that documentary also. Didn’t Greene drown the 6 year old in the bathtub after stabbing the 2 boys?

The Next day.

They gon get they money out of them first, its all about money

A couple of days

@teranceg5671 "they gone get they money." Naw, not really. Its actually more expensive to house & feed these killers & the only people they gon get they money from is us the tax payers.💰

@@ShaunKang69 no, its not. Do your research lol its more expensive to do what u mentioned.

did u watch the video

They don't have to be mutually exclusive. You should care about both. They're all human. They're a product of their environments. If psychiatrists say they have a severe mental illness then they need treatment for that and to have it taken into account. It isn't their fault that they have it.

@@0Linerider0forever0even if it’s not “ their fault if they have it” they’re still a danger to society and could do it to others. Not to mention their victims need justice. I think we’re opening a Pandora’s box with this false compassion. It started with closing down insane asylum’s because “they were inhumane” leaving no help for severely mentally ill people until it’s too late and now excusing the worst of crimes. What next?

@@0Linerider0forever0I bet if it were your kids you’d have a different take. This entire video seems to want to persuade people that murderers are victims because of mental illness. As of the victims who survived, should understand that and be ok with it.

If our society and our "leaders", were concerned about people with mental health issues (that they did not choose to have), and made sure they had effective treatment and guidance, there wouldn't be so many victims. It's appropriate to wonder how the survivors are doing, because they are also victims of the same broken system, and often a lack of appropriate long term mental healthcare for the survivors either. Please, be concerned and compassionate about the mental health of your fellow human beings, so this never happens again. Peace be with you!

consider that criminals are victims of their mental health. nobody chooses to be ill.

Cruel to have him wait for 20 years.

Your mother is a creep

USA prisons don't want to treat inmates, not just because it would cut into their profits, but also because repeat offenders allow them to charge the taxpayers multiple times!

Absolutely agree, there is a bridge between youth hood and jail, and we have to be genuinely proactive to prevent the road there. At the very least we must get to the root of why they ended up in jail. Every story has its past, every illness has its root

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'Reformed Offender' on Joe Rogan Allegedly Murders and Dismembers Friend | Sheldon Johnson Watched this some time ago , feel free to search it and tell me your thoughts

Yes but it is very difficult for someone to be found “not guilty by reason of mental insanity” you can be found to be not competent to stand trial which means you don’t understand the trial process so you can’t assist in your own defense. An example of this was Lori Vallow who was recently found guilty of killing her two children with her brother and her husband who she married after he also killed his wife and 2 weeks after both her kids were killed. She was first found not competent to stand trial. Once she was determined to be found competent, she was put on trial and she will be standing trial for other crimes in another state later on. Being found not guilty by reason of mental insanity means you could not determine right from wrong at the time of the crime. An example of this is, Andrea Yates who was found NG but mental inanity after drowning her 5 children in an episode of post-partum psychosis. If she is found to mentally well she can be released under supervision but from my understanding she has stated she doesn’t want to be let out, she feels she should remain hospitalized. That’s the last I heard. In 50s and 60s we had a lot more hospitals for the criminally insane but, laws that were passed basically closed these facilities down (which were not run very well at all. They had a lot of abuse and neglect which is why so many people wanted them to be shut down). The system is broken, our prison system is the new mental health facilities because we don’t have the funding to properly care for our mentally ill. I pray one day we focus on mental health services and preventing these crimes from happening in the first place. Maybe we could prevent the Gary Greens and Andre Thomas’ of the world which would mean those poor people who were the victims of these men wouldn’t be dead and the lives of their family and friends wouldn’t have been completely obliterated.

I think they do. There are people who've been found mentally incopotent. Look up Ed Gein. Its just a very high bar here to be found that. Another high profile case,Jeffery Dahmer, fought insanity but wasn't found insane. Dahmer literally ate his victims.

We used to until Regan began shutting down state funded mental hospitals. It's sad though because when I think of Broadmore I can't help but think of Saville and how I genuinely believe that part of the reason he went unpunished was because of the prejudice against the mentally ill in which people would rather pretend that they didn't exist so people like Saville could operate in the dark.

Not like the UK. They would send you to life in prison before they get you help. The U.S. doesn't care their people enough to get them help.

We used to have many similar facilities to broadmoor, but no longer. Some state hospitals now have forensic units, and there are still at best a handful of dedicated forensic hospitals, but they are extremely few. Sadly it’s rare that someone who should be found guilty by reason of insanity, actually is, so most people just end up in prison.

Honestly, your on point. I thought I was becoming crazy when I was reading these comments.

Ffs he was an evil person

We understand, dear... But we do not agree with you and we have the right to not agree. 😅

Really wild and alarming. And the ones like "...I also have ADHD and depression, and i havent killed anyone" Oh child!🙄.

True and most convicted people are used by political figures and government's

They just gonna roam free and possibly run into your child? There are no more state run mental asylums. It's either prison or population.

people like u r disguating

Never

when was that ever even said in the video they obviously wouldn't be released

I think this is why this argument is so misunderstood; so many of you people think that it literally means the person is found innocent and then released. Extremely mentally ill people who are not found culpable of a crime do not walk free, they’re put in custody of the state. They often times spend the remainder of their life in a high security mental hospital. And the state has more control over you than a prison would because you’re subject to a doctors opinion, not a release date.

There’s no chance that he will ever be released

Did you even watch the video??? That's the entire point of the video...

@@uptoCHINAtown its not tho its about people with mental illness on death row.

Depression and anxiety are a lot different to psychosis

Yes, in that people with psychosis are dangerous.

100%

Guess #BigPharma isn't held accountable yet a lot people died

I'm the daughter of a murder victim. My brother and mom have also died. I'm against the death penalty. For one, the justice system has gotten it wrong time and time again. Innocent people have been executed and sit on death row or in prison as we speak. Until it's a perfect system 100% of the time, the death penalty shouldn't even be a discussion. It needs to be perfect, they need to never get it wrong. Even then, I don't really care for it. An eye for an eye leaves the world blind. We're telling them "You're worse than us, you murder people." And then "teaching them a lesson" by doing the same thing. Many killers look forward to the death penalty because death row inmates often get their own cells, TVs, privileges, etc. and they stay for decades. I don't want my dad's killers to die, I'd never wish their family to go through what they put me through. It's a waste.

How does being anti death penalty = no empathy for the victims? This is just my opinion, but I think they're the most empathetic people around.

No one said he did.

​@@cancerino666Then your comment is superfluous.

😂 Bullets are cheap

One day you'll want someone to care about yours.

@@0Linerider0forever0 People who say stuff/think like that are half a step away from being sociopaths. I've come to find out about 70% of people just are completely incapable of any form of empathy, much less possessing the ability to put themselves in another party's shoes.

@@0Linerider0forever0Definitely not.

@@0Linerider0forever0shut up you sound like a troglodyte

A gift.

😂😂

Your European inquisition and crusades Christian mind? I'm from south America by the way not from 'murica

@@germangru Well, I guess I was talking about recent centuries. Apologies I don't have any lived experience of inquisition era Spain.

It's so odd. They are "prolife" but also PRODEATH penalty. The contradictions are so weird. They even get upset if you tell them.

​@@user-bf7zw3nt2q I don't get it either, I'm pro life and strictly against the death penalty Two wrongs don't make a right

great example

My ex was schizophrenic if u stay off drugs and stay on your meds it helps he was diagnosed as a psychopath he told me had a kid it was his drinking that was a problem and his narcissistic problems I got bipolar I’d never hurt anyone I get aggressive and do crazy manic things but I’ve never hurt anyone being sober helps ur right if people have help supported and safe and on there meds try to be a good person there’s not an excuse for killing people and the fact that people who do claim there crazy when there not is making people with mental illness be scary there not

@@KayLeeHoward-vc2ph true

Also, even more imprtantly, that we can prevent crimes like these by providing better access to psiquiatric services.

The lack of education in the comments and even the people talking in the video aren’t very educated I have empathy for the victims but the people are literally describing what someone who isn’t sane would do but say they must of been sane enough to carry it out

Amen.

Was thinking the same. This comment section is over the top draconian and hammurabic in nature. I’m originally from The US but migrated to Europe 15 years ago and in my country there’s no death penalty and max sentence of 21 years. It’s about rehabilitation not unbridled incarceration. In some ways society here Looks at such heinous crimes as a collective failure of the society and it’s systems. Luckily we have a lot of social welfare resources for people to access before often making it to the situation of a crime that would get them into prison in the first place.

Well said

Exactly

So what about if itz not an excuse ?

@@ketovoreking5440it doesn’t matter, if you commit a crime then you must be held accountable for your actions, if you take a innocent life, then you too should have your life taken. The only victims are in fact the innocent people whom lost their lives, so therefore regardless if your mentally ill or not, it still doesn’t give you the right to take away anyone else’s life!! So technically no, there is no excuse, if you have a mental illness then it’s your responsibility to get help!! Plain and simple 😢

@dawnr5158 itz not a one size fitz all there are people that at one point were up standing citizenz good people and then something catastrophic happenz in there life and they lose there mindz become severely mentally unwell and unstable some are failed by the system and left alone and cant think straight. Itz unfortunate in some casez that this happenz and the mentally unwell person takez a life itz not right but there is so many factorz to why they did it. I think your wrong.

The question is why. So it doesn’t happen again. What do we learn from this tragedy killing him?

And I guess the psychiatrists are making it up too

Bro they ain’t tryna say they don’t lol… They’re just tryna highlight that things like this could be prevented if ppl took them more seriously

So how do you suggest we go about it then?