Samsung should look into overnight battery drain on their phones irrespective of the processor.

Also, samsung by shipping its Snapdragon phones to North America (where majority of the major reviewers are located) gets rave reviews on the phones. Whereas someone buying it in an exynos region may view the video and purchase the phone thinking its all the same

I think Samsung should follow the steps of apple, start using exynoss chipsets and focusing a lot on it in order to make it better + making a cooling system that works well with exynoss to keep the peak performance as long as possible because the snapdragon 8 gen 1's stability was 50%.

I think samsung should use Exynos only. Having their own chip will make them easy for optimization and longer software updates. Snapdragon only supoorts its falgship chips for 3 years i think. I wouldn't actually mind slightly less performance for great optimization and software... thoughts?

I think, Samsung should use only snapdragon for a temporary period to give Samsung time to make and develop strong processors, and don't use the Exynos until Samsung br sure that the Exynos is free of defects.

Samsung among other phone manufacturers, should focus on optimizing their entire lineup of devices instead. A powerful processor is great and all, but a smooth bug free experience can go a long way.

Yeah I kinda saw this video coming. Sammy got great hardware but they really need to up their processor game.

No wonder why in Australia barely anyone buys a Samsung & you’ll find them about 35-45% off about 6-8 months after release.

Samsung should just focus on one chipset and optimize it instead of just adding a bigger battery and minor upgrades

Jerryrigseverything took the cooling out of the Snapdragon Note 20 Ultra and installed it in the Exynos Note 20 Ultra. Suddenly, the Exynos speed evened out with the Snapdragon speed stats.

The simple reason is if the make the exynos chip it will be cheaper for them . But in countries where the qualcomm has patent in those countries it’s cheaper for samsung to use qualcomm chip or else they’ll have to take license from qualcomm Also in near future when samsung will make it’s chip way batter than qualcomm it might use it’s own chip on all phone or vice versa

They should go with the dominant snapdragon chip till their in-house chips are good enough to replace the snapdragon chip in every way.

The thing is Samsung saves lots of money by doing so See, Exynos is made by Samsung so they can buy it for a much lower price. And in those countries where Qualcomm has patents they use Snapdragon because otherwise they might have to pay licence fees. So overall they can price their Galaxy phones equally all over the world. An iPhone for example is much higher priced in India or Brazil, and a Xiaomi phone is also much more expensive outside China because of such reasons.

this year we got snapdragon s22 in the uae and we almost always got exynos I think samsung is on it's way to have snapdragon in all its phones

Hi. Thanks for the insightful video. One thing I need to mention is that in South Africa, all Galaxy smartphones are use the Exynos chipset. My current S21 Ultra uses it too.

My SNote+ with exynos is still working fine. And I don’t mind about chipset though or its just most of our samsung devices has exynos and I like companies that use their own chips rather than relying to others.

the argument that the upside of this practice from samsung only benefits samsung. People who buy their phone with exynos is directly impacted, their experience of the phone is not up to par with the snapdragon, yet you have to pay the same price.

Samsung switched to Snapdragon in India after YEARS of sticking with Exynos

Samsung's usage of Exynos also allows them to make specialized or budget chips for things like budget phones or tablets that need certain processing for say pen support, without having to buy a more expensive Snapdragon chip for only a few needed features.

Ever since they ditched the exynos, the optimization of the phone becomes very satisfactory and the s23 is the proof of that. Because they focus on a single chip specifically made for their phones which makes easy for them to optimized unlike optimizing for 2 chipsets. Therefore exynoss is truly their problem, they pride for the chip that failed them in this modern day.

It really doesn't matter people just make it seem worse than it is

Beside the processor they need to do better with their software. Yes Samsung did good job with One ui and long term software update promise. But they have a long way to go. One ui has heavy Animation, long loading time for apps, bunch of unnecessary apps from Microsoft. Many cool/ useful settings are hidden deep. i.e.- Object eraser, force dark mode, etc. Apps like- Theme park, One hand operation+, good lock, good guardian should come pre installed. Their theme store should be revamped as well; With more cool themes, icon pack, and wallpaper.

Hey David, great stuff, please can make a video on Iphone 13 light vs dark mode battery test

Yeap exactly. I agree with you. At least in the past. Now seems they spend less and less on RD.

In recent news, analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said that Samsung's 2023's flagships like the S23 will NOT use Exynos chips in any region. All Samsung flagships will run the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 only.

The good news is that the galaxy s23 according to Ming chi kuo will be only snapdragon exclusive

Awesome explanation. I love this style of videos too.

I think Samsung shouldn't discontinue it's exynos chips but before they solve yield issues, overheating issues and lackluster performances of their chips compared to other chip manufacturers, snapdragon is the way to go. If Samsung can solve all these issues and can catch up with Apple and Qualcomm in chip design, I don't mind them using exynos.

Exynos could be used as a supporting chip for better camera perfomance or as an efficiency chip that supports the main SOC especially while using DEX or something....

I think the issue is overblown 🤷‍♂️ The performance difference in the past two years has been give or take 5% and there are instances where Exynos beats the Snapdragon but they will never 100% match. Using different chips in different markets is actually pretty normal in the electronics industry and happens for example in laptops, TVs, cars and pretty much every electronic device that doesn't advertise a specific chip

I think it wouldn't be a big deal if samsung gave the full camera capabilities like 4k 120fps on their Exynos chip. It would create a sort of balance. And i saw how they were 1st were to develop 8k video on phones yet they were holding it back for snapdragon version

I think it's more likely realted to modem as the decision on using which chipsets, depends on the region heavily. Samsung does not ramdomly fit two chipsets for the phones sold in the same region.

As i can see, there is a real problem of the last 2 versions of qualcom snapdragon (888 and 8 Gen 1) both are over heating and have a correct battery life, not as good as Exynos 2100 and 2200. So for me, having 2 versions is a good idea if the snapdragon versions are still not as good in battery life.

im curious how the next exynos processor will fare agains the competition. 8gen1 is already better efficiency wise than exynos2200, 8gen+1 is massively ahead and 8gen2 is rumored to be more efficienct too

💯 true ...& as always awesome content

I was thinking about this a few years ago... I wish Samsung would just offer one or the other. Right now, they should really just use their own chips like Apple, Google, and others.

To be honest the average person (who is the main market) does not care and can't tell a difference. In most cases it's better to buy a phone locally for warranty claims.

for me exynos work so well I used snapdragon and exynos both for my use case sd take so much power and lack of battery life

More competition is always better for everyone and I think the issue is overblown considering the performance gap is so small and the only real thing Exynos needs to work on is standby and phone call battery drain.

Ditch exynos for flagships only. They should continue exynos 2300 for budget mobiles until they figure out how to outperform Apple's and SD chips

I agree partially... One chip would be better because of optimization, for sure. If Samsung wants to compete with Google and Apple, thats one aspect they could improve on. Battery life for example could be better then. But the first comparison with a Tesla isnt great imo since the Exynos isnt worse overall and they both have advantages and disadvantages. I would say the average consumers doesnt need to care but if Samsung could settle on one chip, it would make their phones even better.

Not sure i agree. Google based its Tensor SoC on the Exynos and they got plenty of heat mgt and battery performance issues too.

Honestly with this community (most of us would say tend to be slightly more techy than average) qualcom vs exynos is important (as even 1% performance can matter when viewing things, and we can see example of 25%batery life on s20fe for example), but most people will get by with either version's specs and they'll get whatever version is avaliable and not thing twice. Again as a techie I'd live to actually see in the boxfront being samsung SQ22 or SE22 (for qualcom or exynos) but that would only increase the problem from techies to care to general public to also care and that'd be trouble for Samsung

I think they should use their inferior chips for cheaper models like the A series.

Samsung’s chip making fab division and phone division are basically two separate entities. I’d be shocked if that had any actual effect on why Samsung phones use Qualcomm chips.

The software support overall is the best in android, still the optimization and battery life would be way better if they only focus on one processor.

snapdragon does not have dual sim compatibility, everyone outside US prefers dual sim card only supported on exynos soc

Both chips are extremely fast for every day use. Average customer see no difference.

Last couple of years SDs are throttling as hell. Probably it's better to have an exynos s22 now.

It's not just US and CA, they sell their own people in their own country the Qualcomm version. I was waiting for an S24 but now they say they're going to put Exynos in the S24. From my own personal experience, the Exynos is NOT as good as a Qualcomm. You can take the exact same version of the S22 in both different chips and you'll find the Qualcomm is faster and has better battery life and doesn't get as hot. To me, it appears on the surface at least that they are treating North America/Korean customers better than Europeans/rest of the world. Couple this with the fact that us Europeans tend to pay more for our phones than US customers do it seems like we're getting a raw deal.

I was wondering why samsung or mediatek can't find a better gpu for their chip so that they can out perform or equally perform the snapdragon . When i heard that amd is in for making gpu for exynos chips,i was so happy and expected wonders ...but sad,it didn't go like that it seems...

I personally hope Samsung can figure out a way to make exynos the only chip so that they could really optimize their phones

You're right, it's not one processor that's bad, but using 2 different ones that's problematic

I like this informative review ,,thanks man

My first Android smartphone was i9500 and it was overheating like an oven. Then, with necessary, I had to buy a new phone. Of course there was not a chance to buy Snapdragon Samsung since I was not in the one of those countries. After all, I bought second hand Note 3 N9005 and it was my one of best choices in my life. I am using this phone since 2017.

My friend has a Samsung phone with exynos chip and it lags in performance and battery life and the value of the device has depreciated more than half compared to when he bought the phone

I think Samsung should continue with its Exynos, competition is always good for the consumer. However, Samsung should for the moment stop using its Exynos on its high-ends or at least agree to have its Exynos for high-ends engraved by TSMC, the time to catch up on the engraving.

Moving from Exynos S21U to SD S22U, I'm disappointed the battery is just average, heating is still an issue though not as bad as Exynos. The UI is still stutters but that's OneUI I guess.

Both chip set should be avail;able everywhere and let the customer which one they want, in the end! That's how they should do it!!

What annoys me most is that Samsung doesn't take advantage of being the only Android OEM besides Google with their own Chip Manufacturing divison. Take the Galaxy Tab S Line - they always use just a standard Snapdragon SoCs. Why not make a custom Exynos SoC for these devices. Make maybe a 12 core design, with higher clocks while dropping Modems, high grade NPUs and ISPs. Because im a Tablet you are much less restricted by battery and have little use for an 8K Image signal processor because its a damn tablet. Or why not make much more affordable Exynos devices. You don't have to pay the qualcomm tax so pass these savings on.

For me I’d stick with the SD chips across the globe as when it comes to photos it seems to be better than Exynos, not that an average consumer will know but Id want the best looking photos I can take

About the tesla example... Car manufacturers use different engines and safety equipment depending on the country... Even different branding

0:37 India gets EXYNOS and not Snapdragon specially in S-series. Pls correct ur info sir! I hv been using samsung since 2014 (A8) till S8+(2017) n S20fe 2020 has Exynos!

The real problem with Samsung is their battery life. I've had 4 different Samsung phones and their batteries only stay consistent for a couple months. Other devices I tested (LG, Apple, Huawei) have all been more consistent. Linus from LTT made a video about this issue as well.

2:51 My opinion on this half. Samsung Exynos chips generally are built on top of a less capable foundation. If we compare the same 5nm from Samsung and another 5nm from TSMC, we can see a difference in both performance and, of course, specs. Hence the difference in performance between both SOCs. I assume anyone who has gotten into the meat of this knows that Samsung, while they may always come up first when it comes to making more efficient transistors, don't really make the best ones and will always fall behind TSMC who doesn't just make foundations for Snapdragon, but also for Apple's Bionic CPUs. On the software end, this usually is decided by "what is the peak capability of this SOC?" "Peak performance," in my opinion, isn't the highest score it can get on Antutu and Geekbench. But, rather the, in a gaming sense, "The most stable fps over time plus power consumed during the test." No matter how powerful an SOC is, it's "Peak" performance is nothing more than a gimmick for many everyday users. Inorder to understand this, let's say that, we are testing a phone's performance through a game. We measure the Minimum, Maximum, and Peak performance. Minimum is the lowest FPS you'll experience during the test and maximum being the highest fps. The "Peak" will the the most stable FPS it can get over time. Now, imagine that we got a score of 20, 60, and 40. Over a 5 hour session with 30% remaining in the tank. You played Genshin Impact on medium graphics to keep the phone from damaging its internals. Now, to a manufacturer, they will prioritize maintaining the "Peak" performance and if they can, will try to improve it. "What does this have something to do with software?" The "Peak" performance dictates the complexity of the software it can handle. Like smoother, slicker animations, A.I management, and so-on. These generally don't use the maximum output of the SOC but, the Peak. The higher the Peak score, the more capable the phone is and the better the software experience and the more things the devs and manufacturers can cram into the device. And most importantly, the more consistent the performance althroughout. Unlike Google nor Apple, Samsung devices doesn't posses the software smarts that Pixel devices have nor the Hardware capability of that of the iPhones. So, for them, they basically have to strike a balance between the two. Doing the best they can in both areas to create the best experience that they can give to users. Essentially, Samsung can't compete with Google when it comes to software optimization and with hardware performance from Apple. "Now how does this connect to the topic?" Throughout the recent years, Samsung has seem to have always come out first when it comes to making new features and creating new transistors. And usually, we get a not so good as we hoped one. Because of this, it's pretty obvious that Samsung doesn't take their time with creating a proper product. They always rush, rush, rush so that they can catch-up to their schedule. This is their main problem, the problem can be seen on their Exynos SOCs. While they may always come out first with them new transistors, they will always get out done by TSMC, who takes proper time to create a reliable foundation for SOCs. With improvements that allow for more. So, yes, Exynos is the problem along with Samsung.

The main problem is the Exynos Modem. Check the reports from the Pixel 6 Pro, which use a Exynos Modem. Signal is trash, without Wifi 3-4h SOT and warmer with lower score...

....it is definitely of strategical importance for them to keep their own foundry running and up to date for the smallest semiconductor sizes... Also really important for them to have their own processor-architecture and connectivity standards, independent from Qualcomm (monopolies are never good).... The bitter pills of bad publicity and complicated product support are obviously outweighted here.... I m quite satisfied with my E2200 phone, it performs perfectly all daily tasks....Differences are much smaller than the techies think!

This aged like milk lmao

I am pro SD complete move. Perhaps for keeping the Exynos alive, they could use that in the FE edition.

I personally think they should stick with Exynos, because the consumer benefits when companies try out do each other. Also look how MediaTek done with the 9000? It's possible that Samsung can make a better or equivalent chip to Snapdragon for sure! Also they can optimise their phones so much better using their own chips on their own phones. It's a Win Win situation for us customers and companies if they can pick and chose what chips they wanna use. Also might even force them to drop prices to compete which then MIGHT lower prices for us (probably not mind) Google are doing it, Apple been doing it for forever now, Huawei did before the ban and look how well they was optimised? Especially the battery life and charging speeds was quality back on the Mate 20 Pro and P30 Pro days compared to other phones in the same era. Look at AMD vs Intel, or AMD vs NVIDIA etc competition is good

For UKposts reviewers, the only Samsung phones this year so far are the S22 series. LOL. What about certain midrange Galaxy models that ship only in Snapdragon?

that last argument was the most fanboy argument I've ever heard lmao why would I care if making 2 different chipsets will be good for their companies future like why would I feel sympathy for them, am I gonna say "yeah my chipset is worse in many ways compared to the other one that has the exact same price but it's good for samsung's future chipsets in the long run" lmao you people are delusional

Exynos should definitely be continued. It might not be as good as Qualcomm but it's close. I wish samsung would make a flagship Exynos phone running tizen

I just got the _moisture detected_ popup that won't go away. Dropped it at the beach over a week ago for a moment.

Watching this one year after the release of this video on my s23 ultra which was released only with Snapdragon, but reading that the s24 will go back to using Snapdragon and exynos makes me think. I have no issue with Samsung using both, what I don't understand is using both on the same phone. I think Samsung should use exynos in every Samsung phone other than its flagship S series. For the S series it should use Snapdragon across the board. Just choose one Chipset for each model and go with it.

The problem with Samsung phones, is that they are becoming iPhones. Meaning they: Keep removing features Raising the prices Making their phones more susceptible to breaking Making them harder to repair

well, car manufacturers use different motors, depending on the market a specific car is sold.

What if we installed a custom ROM? Which will perform best

I still believe that Samsung will improve their Exynos chip. So IMO they should continue to make 2 variants each year. They should watch out their Battery life.

Long story short, if you want your Galaxy phones to be the same price in certain countries, you’ll get Exynos chips. iPhones are more expensive in certain countries because certain components of the phone are taxed higher. Same with Xiaomi phones in the US, they are priced much higher compared to their prices in China.

Little bit of an error here. In South Africa, the local stock of S22's come with the Exynos chip.

I hope they don't ditch Exynos as it could develop into something into the future, like exynos chips for PC that rival the M1 and so on...

I don't care if I get an exynos chipset or snapdragon chipset. I can't tell a difference between the two.

Biggest issue regarding CPUs solved. Second challenge: battery life🔋and further software optimizations 👍 👌

Yes, yes it is.

Also optimization issues arise because of 2 different code bases

Used Note 9 with Exynos for 4 years and had no issues. Using s22u now with Snapdragon and also no issues! I think this issue is way overrated by tech freaks. In real life there isn't that real difference is actual use

Thank you so much for NOT blindly hating on the Exynos or claiming like Exynos were always worse. Exynos Chips have been much better than QSDs just as often as QSDs have been better. The only problem is simply that they stupidly use both at the same time... It would be much better if they started using ONLY Exynos - like they did with the Galaxy S6. Even back then the update support was much better and the S6 was a freakin' fast phone back then.

I work for Samsung. We have to use Snapdragons for US market and others becouse we cant supply so many Exynos chipsets. And its ok for us to have half of production taken by Qualcom due to our partnership contract details wich I cant talk about.

Oh, Tesla do! China Model 3 comes with different LFP battery) This doesn`t change acceleration or significantly affects range, but has other differences and charge specifics.

POV: ur early but don't know what to say

I'd say the issue is overblown out of proportion. It doesn't matter which chipset you get

On 2022, Samsung have used Snapdragon in their S series in Indonesia.

They could just put them in different models, but they should not have the same phone with different cpu's. Maybe ffor example they could use exynos on the fe models only?

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After a lot of feedback by the Indian users , I'm glad Samsung has started bringing snapdragon phones in India

Can use two different SoC. Just make two different phone models...

My Note 10+ is sadly a Exynos one. And for example, the Amazon App really is stuttering, Spotify is lagging like the first 10s until its there, and many other Apps where the OnePlus 7 Pro of a friend just isn't. So the Snapdragon 855 is better optimised. And there is a lot more like Camera, Battery life etc. This issue is existing since the S8 Series until nowadays the S22 Series. Like 6 generations. So thank god or someone that the S23 will Ship with Snapdragons! Maybe I'll buy one.

Maybe the chip isn't the problem, it's just how Samsung manages the CPUs and how Samsung optimizes the phone for the CPU.

Samsung should either make exynos better the snapdragon or go with snapdragon only. For most of the users it's not a big of a deal coz both processors are almost equivalent this year. For me the problem is battery with both chipsets doesn't lasts full day and i have to recharge it again.