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This can be used as a mouse and a joystick if designed properly in a game package or updated design. Yes, this is a new thing with potential.

Got one. Was worried that it would be sold out after 3 months. It's so cheap that it doesn't make sense not to get one and try it myself.

@@icantwait 75 dollars is cheap? damn

Its called a "Pistol Grip". Just a FYI.

That's actually true

im sure thats not an impossible DIY project

yeah, two buttons on the top that you can press with the thumb, that adjust the dpi would be good.

@@handlmycck I was thinking that you could gut a gaming mouse and 3d print a gun handle case and pop everything in

I'm pretty sure every single mouse has ptfe slides now right?

You aim a gun with a gun handle mouse. Sounds immersive AF.

wait until you find out about vr

​@@krytxpsYou cant use VR to play competitive shooter tho lol

@@Emma_madison did you even read the op comment at all? I was just pointing out that if you think holding a mouse like a handgun is fun, you should try shooters in VR

I would like it more if it had something like the old namco arcade guncon solenoid motor for recoil

that's how i would teach pistols at the range. if you extend your arm like a punch, it very slightly turns inward.. holding a pistol can benefit from that natural position. not full on sideways 'execution' shot, but about 10-15*, so it lines up your arm wrist to shoulder. imo makes recoil easier also.

so the gangsta lean is tactically sound I hear

lol sorta it all depends on teh shooter, the stance, the pistol, and the target. situational awareness is a must

They could probably cant it at a slight angle and move the sensor at the bottom more forwards to increase range of motion.

​@@jacobrohr5903Only in akimbo mode ;) Interesting to see this 3-months-old video suddenly blow up.

This made me incredibly self-conscious of my muscle movements. Thanks.

Imagine a streamer gets swatted holding that.

LOL I had to look pictures of the mouse and it's to funny.

Gospel of Jesus Christ. John 3:16 For God So loved the world that he gave his only Begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not Perish but have Everlasting Life. Jesus Christ Died on the Cross for all the sin of the World, and now we can be Forgiven of all of our sins and be washed clean by the Blood of Jesus Christ for our iniquities trespasses... now all you need to do is Repent of all of ur sins (Repent means Change ur Mind turning away from sinful things and being truly sorry with all ur heart, and if you Repent and still go back to sinful things nothing will happend but if you are truly serious Lord will change ur life forever) (example of repenting Father God I ask in Jesus Name please forgive me of all my Sins I acknowledge that im a sinful man/woman I am truly sorry and trust in Jesus that he lived suffered and died on the cross for me and my sins so I can be Forgiven was barried and that you rised him on the 3th day please wash me clean with the blood of Christ make in me a new heart that can love and forgive Lord change my desires change me Lord Jesus come into my life change everything about me make me a new creation fill me with ur HolySpirit...)is what sin is Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of eternal life in our Lord Jesus Christ. and the only way to heaven is Trough Jesus Christ there is no other way! John 14:6 I Am The Way The Truth And The Life No Man cometh to the Father Except Trough Me. and you are saved by Grace Trough Faith not by works, we cannot save urselfs from sin we don't get to go to heaven because we don't get to go to heaven because we are a Good People we are not!, we cannot earn ur salvation it is given to us as a Free Gift all we need to do is receive it! Romans 3:23 For All have sinned and Felt Short of the Glory of God. There is none Good but God!, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10: Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8 KJV.

I have one. The M1 has some travel time and it's a really heavy unit compared to most mice. Also, mine rocks a bit on my desk. I am not sure if that is a design flaw present in all units. It makes for a cool collector's item for display, but I wouldn't use it as a daily driver. The actual grip is incredibly comfortable and it seems like something that MonsterGecko thought was going to make them rich. Someone put some serious R&D into it. It even has an anime mascot on the booklet and box art. The buttons used are microswitches.

​@@Sarcastican_ 🌚 oh shit it's not a g- 🗿💥 ☠️

Great idea - I think you could make it work with a base plate that doesn’t tilt, and a grip that has a strong pivot built into the base plate, to allow the grip itself to tilt

@@pyrosish right back at ya with the good idea, great way to handle it. Maybe they can incorporate it into the v2 model lol

that's a joystick.

​@@PaulSpadesding ding ding!

@@PaulSpades Joysticks do not have an optical censor on the button like a mouse.

Get big gaming mats and put them over the hard surface you are moving your hand over. They cost 20-30 eur in my country.

Buy a massive mousepad and crank the sensitivity way way down and learn how to aim using primarily your arm. Most people give up before they really get the hang of it because it's like starting from scratch with your aim but the longevity and superior control once you master it is totally worth it. Your wrist will thank you and you will be able to play all day every day if you want to.

Vertical mice are not a new idea, search for one

​@@snakezulahello! May i ask what mouse do you use? Are you talking about vertical mice in general?

@@intranube I use a razer deathadder v2 mini, I was just offering a solution to his wrist problem which is very common. The best solution is to switch to a more sustainable aiming style. High sensitivity wrist aiming isn't ideal because it's harder to be consistent and it's very bad for your wrist but people fall in love with easy flicks because it's flashy. I've never tried a vertical mouse but it does seem interesting, I just wouldn't bother buying one that is unrefined and slightly gimmicky like this one. I have no clue if one exists that would fit my criteria for me to bother giving it a 100 hour test run.

The feet are PTFE

​@@faranocksthat's good then

ergo mice already exist but a low weight one would be awesome

Lol no its not, the next step is eye tracking or finger tracking, not a handgun grip on a desk

@@expe808 eye tracking is basically cheating imo, finger tracking could be interesting tho

Black kid got shot for opening the front door for a cop with a Wii controller in his hand.

@@JasonHendersonThey’ll shoot you with nothing in ur hands so I’m not even surprised anymore

You could pull out an actual mouse in front of a cop and get shot

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Same, I will def buy their 2nd version if it had an updated sensor

Imagine a branded version with the trigger guard and grip of your semiautomatic pistol of choice. That'd be super neat!

I was actually considering this precisely for ergonomic reasons -- your comment is underrated.

​@@SimonWoodburyForgetpeople already have it. It's called "playing a shooter on a phone". It's worse than knm.

@@SimonWoodburyForget absolutely not. The biggest problem with gyro - inherent human body instability. Notice how when using a mouse the hand is lying on the table which acts as a support. Gyro sucks because you can't perform certain movements in a controlled manner because there's nothing to support your movement. Most peopple either use it for main rotation and then use fingers for precision or the other way around - fingers for quick movements and gyro for precision. Steam Deck is even more of a meme because it's a heavy brick that you are suggesting should be rotated with your hands. Awful. At least look at VR controls.

If you can find one at a reasonable price, try to get your hands on a FPSGUN FG-1000. I don't have one, but I might get one in the future. There are very few gun mice out there. Going by the reviews made by Boojakasha, there are: Ragnok (1st and 2nd versions), Nextick, Ghost Hunter LM60, M60A3 Combat Gun Mouse, FPSGUN FG-1000, and Pistolmouse FPS by MonsterGecko. I have owned and then returned the unit in this video, the Ragnok "2". I have a MonsterGecko Pistolmouse FPS on display along with the box in my room. The Ghost Hunter LM60 is only feasibly obtainable in China and it is unlikely you would be able to get it through customs/obtain one at all if you live in the west. Not without some serious connections for obtaining collectors items. Your best bet is the unit I mentioned above. From everything I've heard, it seems like the best gun mouse from a functional standpoint, ignoring the Ghost Hunter. Also, if you want a good laugh, look up the original trailer for the FPSGUN FG-1000.

Do you have a vertical mouse recommendation? I feel like they would help me a lot in certain genres due to wrist pain. Thanks if you respond

I looked for it but I don't think there's one suitable for gaming... At least not yet. I use the one from Philips for office use.

Do you have a vertical mouse recommendation? I feel like they would help me a lot in certain genres due to wrist pain. Thanks if you respond

The first I heard about it was when they contacted me. The mousereview reddit is a good place to stay up to date. I too would like to be more aware of radical projects like this one.

It would have to be on a base like a joystick, would probably make it weigh 5x as much as it already does

It would be cool if the base was completely stationary, but was much wider and would glide along the base like a ball bearing rather than a base with a denser gliding on the table. It could be pretty bulky, but w some a table accommodations I think it would be dope

imagine if it had gyro aiming for finer aiming on top of the laser for larger movements.

Gospel of Jesus Christ. John 3:16 For God So loved the world that he gave his only Begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not Perish but have Everlasting Life. Jesus Christ Died on the Cross for all the sin of the World, and now we can be Forgiven of all of our sins and be washed clean by the Blood of Jesus Christ for our iniquities trespasses... now all you need to do is Repent of all of ur sins (Repent means Change ur Mind turning away from sinful things and being truly sorry with all ur heart, and if you Repent and still go back to sinful things nothing will happend but if you are truly serious Lord will change ur life forever) (example of repenting Father God I ask in Jesus Name please forgive me of all my Sins I acknowledge that im a sinful man/woman I am truly sorry and trust in Jesus that he lived suffered and died on the cross for me and my sins so I can be Forgiven was barried and that you rised him on the 3th day please wash me clean with the blood of Christ make in me a new heart that can love and forgive Lord change my desires change me Lord Jesus come into my life change everything about me make me a new creation fill me with ur HolySpirit...)is what sin is Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of eternal life in our Lord Jesus Christ. and the only way to heaven is Trough Jesus Christ there is no other way! John 14:6 I Am The Way The Truth And The Life No Man cometh to the Father Except Trough Me. and you are saved by Grace Trough Faith not by works, we cannot save urselfs from sin we don't get to go to heaven because we don't get to go to heaven because we are a Good People we are not!, we cannot earn ur salvation it is given to us as a Free Gift all we need to do is receive it! Romans 3:23 For All have sinned and Felt Short of the Glory of God. There is none Good but God!, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10: Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8 KJV.

I was thinking the same. A pivot point that lets you tilt on the y-axis with a spring or roller rail mechanism to keep the optic planted to the surface as you tilt.

The main reason they haven't is that they tend to be fairly heavy.

@@colbyboucher6391 Eh, I never understood the lightweight thing myself, I prefer a heavier mouse.

​​@@Brunnen_Geeheavier mice tend to be good if your sens is higher and your mouse surface provides little friction, as that makes the mouse more controllable at those higher sensitivities, and with less movement as well as less friction the weight of the mouse is not as relevant of a factor. This vertical mouse may be an exception - it seems to benefit from a lower sens specifically because of the larger range of motion possible.

its also probably not really caught in the hardcore scene because few places actually make a gaming mouse thats up to other gaming mice standards like this. ergo mice are just that ergo, not really made for competitive play. and this thing that looks like a toy, well doesnt look like they stuffed all their eggs into the basket, it looks cheaply made. even the base that he took off didnt seem to clip on at all and just slid off quite easily. itd need a lot of publicity to even make anyone think of trying to make a decent one.

They'll never catch on until they start releasing vertical mice with high DPI. Nearly all vertical mice are made from the exact same parts and they all have low DPI which makes them feel like they're moving on a grid. As much as I wanted to try using mine for gaming it was impossible because of that.

Wow, didn't even think of the applications of 3D printing over this as a base. Probably make some sick custom stuff if you were a serious enthusiast.

update?

He wouldn't like the angle, he would lose even more of the range of motion to the right with his wrist that he was already complaining about. At that point you would almost exclusively have to arm aim and it would become exclusively a low sensitivity aiming mouse. Any position that isn't 100% vertical or horizontal for your wrist will take away from your range of motion to the outside.

Ive been using a cheap vertical mouse for gaming too; In the early days you could really feel the difference, but you get used to it over time, I wonder how gamers already using a vertical mouse would fare with a pistol grip mouse.

I didn't even know that was a thing! :O * looks it up * I would imagine someone with a 3D printer might be able to make some sort of pistol grip contraption adapter to work like this one does.

Just discovered these thanks to your comment, think it would work win 10? Does it have native or 3rd party driver support?

I dont think it should have a problem with Win 10, I last used it on I think Win 7, though. The latest driver was released in 2013, so it wont be the most optimized mouse on the market. Also, as they're not manufactured, finding them second hand, or even in packaging still, is gonna cost at least $100. Its DPI customization is very restrictive, if you typically use a DPI outside of its range, its gonna take a little while. It has a 'Low, Med, High' setting, with a hotkey near your ring finger to cycle though the modes. Low can only be set to 400 or 600, Medium can only be set to 800, 1000, or 1200, and High can only be set to 1400, 1600, or 2000 @@southpark159753

@@notestarlord7775 i still use it NOW, i was able to buy other units some years ago, i have 3 of them but some buttons keeps broking and need to be fixed. i already tear it down some times. it is THE ONLY mouse i love. my biggest regret is i did not buy 20 of them to use for lifetime. on windows 10 still works perfectly. handle grip and sensor being further forward is THE KEY for this perfect mouse. here in italy (but also in europe) seems impossible to find them, even at 100eu. i want to buy some..do u have links?

Wubby viewer here, Grippers = feet

@@snakezula I've heard people use grippers as slang for hands, never feet. The more you know.

@@elitedestroyer0083 lol When I first heard that community use it, I thought they were talking about hands and quickly learned that it was actually feet.

⁠@@elitedestroyer0083in most places online now i hear grippers referring exclusively to toes, not just restricted to small communities. times are a-changin'.

​@@snakezulawhat is a wubby

A little tip: If you're going to timestamp make sure you're capturing the moment you quote lol

Sure you could spend time working on your wrist range but there are other solutions that will yield better results, like learning how to play on low sensitivity and using your arm to aim. A lot of people give up before they get the hang of it but the end goal is being able to use both the full range of your arm and wrist together allowing for way more control than you could ever achieve grinding out hours aim training on a high sensitivity. The negatives is really not a long list, you can't 180 as fast and learning vertical aiming/tracking with your arm is like learning how to ride a bike for the first time... but once you get the hang of it, it actually gives you far superior control. I can attest as I have spent 1,500+ hours on aim trainers and have gotten a few world bests (that I no longer have) at vertical tracking and various other aim training scenarios.

@@snakezula tried learning this multiple times, but very difficult to accept that huge drop in skill after playing just with wrist for decades

@@RedLoopster Grind it out on Aim Trainers, after 100 hours you should be at a point where you are better at some skills and pretty close to where you used to be on others. After 500 hours you shouldn't even want to ever go back.

I think there is already software that exists to do this, so yeah they could make their own and bundle it with the mouse for extra value

Add in a slight Ball Joint on the bottom to make up for angling the mouse when moving with your wrist. Or... For high tech... Have a sphere or dome Foot which reads the entire surface area point (like a smooth desk surface or a mouse mat) no matter how you angle the mouse.

@@absolstoryoffiction6615 isn't this just a joystick?

@@jakfolisto Perry much... It's Mouse Stick without the drawback of tilting it.

That could be a lot of fun to play with

Reinventing the joystick now

now you just need a keyboard that looks like a bomb

Have you heard of the Z?

Same! Aiming up and down seems really awkward on it though.

You have just described the Nintendo Wii

I did it. ukposts.infoQSvr__rvzQ4?si=jiVNXxfqJRQrkRTL

yeah but still needs a gyroscope enabled version, then we will be set.

Death adder sucks imo