Mary is like: i can excuse ritualistic murder but i draw the line at profiting from it

- "Tea?" - "god no, I hate that stuff." In a British show, she just has to be a Villain, there's no way around it.

Anyone who says Gertrude and Mary liked eachother have evidently never had a grandparent who despised someone.

"I rather hate the smell of burning skin. Anyway-" HON YOU CANT JUST DROP THAT

"I do hate the smell of burning skin" sounds like... you're familiar with it. Anything you wanna share with us, Gertrude?

i've only had mary keay for 22 minutes but if anything happened to her i would throw a party

Can we all just collectively shudder at the pure manic joy in Jon's voice as he cracks open the floorboard compartment?

Is a high sass level a requirement for the position of Archivist?

Wow, Mary is really creepy. I'm happy that Jon found the laptop. Can't wait to see where this leads

So there's a flesh book, a tiny animal bone book, a bone fuckery book, a book that smells of ozone and gives you vertigo (which has been burned), and a book that burns/boils people. Mary has the flesh and tiny animal bone book. Gerard used it on her???? Jared has the bone fuckery book (The Boneturner's Tale). Ex Altiora, the ozone-vertigo book, was burned by Gerard. The burning/boiling book is in the possession of the police force because they got it from Jose after he burned a house. That or Jose got it back or something. Gotcha.

Jonathan and Gertrude think alike, don't they.

Oh boi oh yes this was one of my absolute favourites. Specially the "using it to make money!? It sickened me. It still does." Keep up the beautiful job dear team!

spoilers ahoy jon: i can't let elias know elias: **watching the entire thing with a bucket of popcorn** yeah that'd be terrible

Becomes a little bit hard to track all this plot lines... Guess, I'll start to file and organise all this statement's data...

"Statement of Mary Keay" So much adrenaline shot through my body at that line.

first thought - Mary sounds remarkable like Salad fingers... kept waiting for her to say how much she likes rusty spewns....

whoever theorized in the episode when the leitner books were first show that the book was made in human flesh you got it

"I'd never killed before. I didn't particularly enjoy it." is such a freaking creepy and unsettling statement!

oh GOD there are so many lines that Mary says that are just so... indicative of her personality. she's... certainly interesting, and oh boy her dynamic with Gertrude. also who's Eric??

jon: even if [mary and gertrude] didn't like each other me: OH YOU NAIVE FOOL

You know you have some really good voice actors when you can somehow hear the glares they are giving each other. Such delicious sass

I wasn't expecting to love Mary Keay, but here I am. I think her voice is my favorite so far. Also, her saying she prefers to "diversify her portfolio," I feel like it sort of backs up my theory that the Magnus Institute is associated with one specific entity (probably the giant eye one) and Mary decided she'd rather dip her toes into all of them. The creaking floorboards!!! Those have been bothering me in the background of all Gertrude's tapes because I thought they were doors being opened! But early hints at a secret storage area? This podcast is so satisfying gosh dang.

The more I read the comments the more I realized that everyone is shipped with everyone in this podcast lol it’s not unusual or anything it’s just not what I expected from the audience of a horror story

Yes, Mary is just as delightfully creepy as Michael... and wow, lots of biblical names, huh. But holy crap, so much is happening.

well if Mary was that creepy and seemingly... neutral evil, I suppose Gerard is chaotic good or something XD he definitely seemed to help ppl before in strange situations

so am i just expected to ignore the amount of raw sexual tension between mary and gertrude or

I've noticed the number of likes has dropped significantly from the first season and I can only assume everyone who hasn't liked these episodes are too involved in the story to give it a thought. Note to self: go back and like the ones I've missed

“A power like this and she was using it to try and make Money?! It sickened me” I FUCKIN AGREE

Only just realized the ominous music starts the moment Gertrude says “Mary Keay”

Jon was a creep before, but with that floorboard he's just being creepy.

The one thumbs down is Gerard Keay.

"God no, I hate the stuff" That's when I knew there was something wrong

GOD you see so many subtle hints and puns when you're re-listening!! for example *end season 2 spoilers* "I know the Institute and me haven’t always seen eye-to-eye, as it were." *EYE* TO *EYE*

Mary's voice actress was phenomenal, I hope we get to hear more from her

In this fandom, most people agree on Jon/Martin, but when it comes to Mary/Gertrude. Hoo its like a warzone.

So maybe that's how Mary was able to return to talk to Dominic Swain in ep 4.

DOESN’T MARY DIE THE SAME WAY SHE IS DESCRIBING?

Oof, going from Daisy's good voice last time to Mary's somehow creepy voice this time is.... quite a bit of whiplash. o.O

the slowly louder music that was going on constantly in the background, which is usually not until the climax was honestly so concerning

Everyone focusing on the Mary/Gertrude and barely anyone commenting on the actual big reveals that are dropped here.

her voice is so soothing.... i truly adore this podcast

Relistening to it makes me wonder just /how much/ I... do not remember my initial reactions to all this; I must have devoured all the episodes too fast. BUT GOD MARY IS SO INTRIGUING; AND THE MENTION OF ERIC! I find it quite fascinating that Gertrude goes "I should tell Elias"; is this a ploy for Mary, or does she genuinely worked with Elias with far more ease than Jon? I hope we get to hear more about their relationship in any case!

its crazy how this all happened to her when she was like 9

Hell yes. Finally some progress on the Gertrude case.

Not only was the recording full of more info about how you actually use a leitner but now John has the laptop too? What a juicy episode. My only regret is that I have to put it down for a bit.

I’m sorry but Mary’s voice actor SHIVeRs HOLy shIt IT DOESN’T SETTLE WELL W ME. It’s so well done :,)

Is it me, or do Jon's direct statement givers tend to be more focused. It could just be old age, but I wonder... Maybe he really is a better Archivist than Gertrude.

I'm both living for Mary shading the institute because I've got the feeling that there is something going on that they're not telling the people who work at the archives bit I'm also very scared of her and think she's not on the right side either. Gertrude is iconic.

At about 10 minutes in I finally realized that Ms Keay sounds _exactly_ like Yzma from Emperor's New Groove

Jon: Mary me Gertrude didn’t like each other Also Jon: Martin showing compassion,caring for me and bringing me tea and lunch? Suspicious he must be working for someone

i am wtf??? like, i knew that Marry Key was a real person in univarce for a while because of the statments but like, there is a diffrence between hearing about her from John reading the statments and actually hearing a statment from her??? oh my god i am so excited. also she and Gertrude knew each oher???? holy shit this is so cool already

Gertrude you clever beast.

Am i the only one who loves Mary? I mean, yeah sure, she seemed off but other than that she seemed pretty chill and kudos to her for learning Sanskrit i searched it up and it seemed complicated as hell edit: I hate Mary now

wAIT MARY KEAY??!!

Gerard keay disliked this bc he doesn’t like that his mom went to see her ex

bLOWN LIGHTBLUBS?!?! (I know ya'll like that, but none of ya have commented it yet)

I really enjoy the dynamic of Gertrude and Mary. From the vibes I get in this episode, I’d say they embody that friendship trope in fiction between two characters who are extremely knowledgeable on a certain topic, tolerate each other, but aren’t _exactly_ on the same side (yes, Mary said they were, but I’m not sure of how true it was… perhaps in an “enemy of my enemy” way, but no more than that, *I think* ). I almost ship them, but I think I prefer them being friends.

You know what intrigues me? Mary's voice. Its so calm and gives friendly old woman that gives you cookies and listens to your complaints about the world and she just sounds so nice. But the words she says. They terrify me so much. And the complete lack of mentioning Jared. Where is he? What's he doing at the time of this recording? And why is Martin not in this episode?? Martin is baby, he is Angel, he is god, I would I would cheat on a game with Death for Martin. We need more Martin. Hang the plot, give us more Martin!

"Elias might not have killed her, but there is a lot he's not telling me. I'm afraid to ask, though" Yeah good call. I mean, can you imagine that conversation? Jon: "Hey there everyone, glad you've forgiven me" The others: "Sure have. You're not still paranoid though, are you?" Jon: "What? No, no, no!" The others: "..." Jon: "..." Jon: "So that Elias guy"

Bro i shouldn't even be watching these with my predisposition to paranoia and ptsd surrounding the paranormal but like i can't stop even though i am literally on edge 24/7 :'( I really love the story and wanna get to the bottom of all this mystery! Anyone Else?

At long last, an answer to my biggest outstanding question: why Mary Keay was blasting death metal at 2 in the morning

I didn’t listen to the name being said at the beginning, so realizing slowly that it was Mary was bone chilling

I get Aunt Mary vibes from Gertrude and Doctor Olivia Octavius vibes from Mary

"elias might not have killed her" okay dude

Im working while relistening, cheking Income Taxes, there are many boxes and lots of work. I didnt know we had a client named Jurgen until I was at the Js, Mr Jurgens file in hand. Fuck. (It's not a common name here)

Ok but the tension between these two grandmas tho

so mary was killed with the book, and that's how she could talk with the guy who had ex altiora in s1?

My theory from this episode and what we know so far: Okay, lots of info in this episode. More things that affirm my theory of the institute being working for the open eye entity. Mary's family have been protected by it since her ancestor started working for it as we learn in that 1816 letter to magnus. She hints at least a couple of times that she's not only working for the open eye (the most obvious one is when she said about "a singular devotion being too restrictive"). But we also learn that the open eye entity is also a sinister one, when she says that she likes watching people dying but not being the one to do it. I believe we also get more info about the people who work for the open eye (whether they know it or not is a different thing), how some of them are on the "offensive", getting out and doing work for it (like the researchers and also gerard), and some of them are just staying behind and gathering the info (like the archivists). Now, I had to google it 'cause what mary said about the last secret of the book and saying gertrude to "wish her luck" intrigued me, and it turns out that mary died in the same year of this statement, according to one of season 1's episodes (the first time we hear about her and gerard). So, my theory is that that last secret of the book she is reffering to is probably the one she did or tried to do and led to her death. She did the same thing she was doing to the book's victims, with the skin and all, and the victims seem like they're forever trapped in that book. So, I'm guessing the last secret of the book had something to do with making her like the others, forever linked with that book, but unlike the others she wouldn't be trapped in it. So, I'm guessing something like "as far as the book exists I can exist and the only way to kill me is to destroy the book alltogether". Since she appears after her death, I believe she succeeded or at least partially succeeded (maybe her face being full of the words is one of the side effects that would make her spell/ritual a partially successful one). Gertrude knew and Elias know alot more about their situation that we thought until now, so it's interesting to see if the other people who work in the institute know what they're working for or not, or even if they're actual humans at all or if they once were humans but not anymore. As for the "end", what is it? Is it one of the entities, or is it the place from where the entities originate from? Her saying that she doesn't find death interesting reminds me of that episode about the death entity, so is "the end" also "death"? Also, her talking about that Eric and how gertrude "should ask what's left of him" makes me thing that the page she gave to getrude is this eric she's reffering to and is someone they both know.

Mary / Gerald had the drawing of an eye and eye tattoos where as gerdrude went and cut out all the eyes from book covers. Pretty sure they are opposing sides

Me: *hears a creak * Also me: Oh God someone's opened a door and is gonna kill Gertrude or smth oh frick what if its Elias it would be wouldnt it oh frick on no its- Jon: Its a floorboard. Me: ..... Oh. Jon: Also I found this key- Me: *crawling into my grave * mhm :')

Getrude and Mary having a conversation is actually very interesting. Two old ladies having a wholesome discussion of flesh books.

Hey Mary, why don't we just chill a fuckin bit, yeah?

This episode gave me a dull anxiety in my stomach the whole time, and i did NOT like it. Great episode though, Mary is really freaky and interesting.

Haha eye to eye

Tma fans every time an object appears: OMG!!! A syringe!! >:'00 I'm SURE it's the same one that was showed in episode [exact number] and that this all is just an evil scheme! (And by "Tma fans", I mean myself)

I had started to watch this series a few days ago and now I'm fully engrossed in the story behind it! I am wholeheartedly excited to see where the tale goes from here and I just can't seem to stop watching! The voice actors are spectacular in their performances and the sense of dread, of fear from the build up is astronomically delicious story! :D

Omg i absolutely love the ending! That gave me a big joy

wtf I'm scared but this was good

Oh no I feel like this will be a creepy episode, but I need TMA to be comfortable and fall asleep I'm addicted to it 😭

I wonder whose page that was and if Gertrude ever read it aloud. Just have to wait and find out

Okay, I could be crazy but does anyone else get at least vague Eurus vibes from Mary? Eurus from the BBC Sherlock series. Something about Mary just feels similar to me

OH MY GOD THIS EPISODE IS AMAZING

"We're really on the same side when you think about it..." Dammit all!

Mary keay is one of my favorite characters, I liked her even from her first appearance

How do I always end up listening to something featuring flaying when I’m shaving my legs in the bath 🤢🤢

Mary straight up saying "the End, of course" 0.0

Kind of funny to me how both Gerry and Mary find Leitner so underwhelming when they meet him.

I didn't expect Gertrude and Mary to know each other, I'm happy to hear her voice! :D

Yes!! More leads!! I’m very excited to see where this all leads to. Also, everyone’s commenting on the ‘raw sexual tension’ between Gertrude and Mary and honestly I can kind of see it lmaooooo

Me: lmao whos this random old woman Gertrude: Statement of mary keay Me: wAiT WHAT-

bruh when i saw the statement was from MARY I FREAKED THE FUCK OUT OH MY GOD!

Mary and Gertrude are ex girlfriends The amount of sexual tension is distracting

2 scary old ladies. Old People are Scary.

MARY KEAY HAS STANDARRDDDSSSSSSS

This was certainly a fascinating episode. I'm glad John is uncovering the secrets.... That Mary Keay tho.. She's as Pleasantly Unpleasant as the being Michael. Im really enjoying this podcast 💙

Who cares if your doctor is a Jew or Gentile? Holy cow the interviewee reflects mores of a different era.

BROOOOO I LOVE MARY SO MUCH like i wanna be her friend but also obviously not??? im having a blast

Anybody else notice the noises of the floorboard opening in the background as Jon is speaking at the end? Is it him opening it or somebody else?

I knew it was a Jurgen Lightner case from the title

Well goddamn. I was gonna finally get some sleep when you leave me with that cliffhanger