I almost cried the first time I heard it

How to kill all my affection for Gertrude Robinson in one line

@@thiagoalencar3937 she was literally murdered i don't think she meant to leave him stuck there

6:40

THAT'S MY FAVORITE PART! LMAO. I legit replayed it for about five minutes the first time I heard it 😂

The fact that he basically just fucked himself over to hear him say that

Well, I mean, he sort of was.

JERRY

@@darinae34 DENNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY??!!!!

How is he not a reaccuring character? He shows up in like, half a dozen statements, is mentioned all the time, he's got this episode and there's atleast one more ep where he talks, some old tape I think.

@@sele6138yeah he was even present as early as ep12

GOTH KING

Goth king ヽ(^o^)丿🖤

I too stan the goth king and I too have an eye tattoo

​@dontasklongstory2164 I'm planning on getting an eye tat just bc of Gerry lmao

oh this is an amazing comment

Except he was never Jared. Jared was a completely different character

And now people are probably going to argue over whether it’s Gerry or Jerry! It never ends, just let the man rest!

@@mimkyodar Yes but his name was pronounced Jared sometimes, and some people including me thought it was spelt like that too until the pronunciation starting changing lol

@@everythingcoffee8901 not really. Its more that there is a subtle tonal inflection people weren't picking up on.

He couldnt and I thank him for it

He’s an undead metalhead who has no more damns left to give. He embraces the cheese.

(Like every other 20-something who can afford it, I mean. No shade on people who don’t have the option.)

That's an excellent observation. :(

@@mrjones2721true- she just emotionally manipulated and abused him that much

Aren't we all

🎵Gerry is an average goth That no one understands Gertrude, Mum, and Leitner Put too much stress on his hands🎵

@@heresthadude1080 Fairy Odd Parents, I like you

gerard way

Margarida Bento Dead and sweet, dead and stupid, undead and evil. There’s a Theme.

@@mrjones2721 what Panic! At the Disco song is this

also dead squad (hopefully)

I am so happy with this episode. The last time they did an exposition dump, that was the one with Leitner, I dropped the podcast for quite some time. It just sapped my enthusiasm. It felt like they revealed too much too fast and made it... way too human to make sense as cosmic entities. This episode... fixed all that. Once again I have to applaud TMA for its incredibly clever writing.

​@@americantoastman7296 I kinda feel like that was the point of leitner and why he had to die according to Elias. He did dump way too much way too fast and when it overwhelmed John, much like it did to most listeners, Elias killed him because it was too much too soon. I think they did it really well honestly if you look at it like that.

Gerry is a they?

@@Emma-kw1nx ;)

@@Emma-kw1nx the wiki says he goes by he/him, although I think nonbinary headcanons are neat and nifty. I think the commenter might just not have been sure, though.

okay yeah this comment actually did make me headcanon gerry as being nb and going by they/them lol

it makes me very happy that most of the fandom calls him gerry, like we all decided that yes we are his friend thanks

We've come a long way

WORM WIFE?

_Fair enough_

This series really out here feeding us with wives

@Emily Barclay i'd feed myself to the monster wives

please tell me you've actually done something with this idea because I'd love to see it.

ah yes, the most powerful of the avatars

I mean technically speaking some of the fears apply. The Slaughter is the fear of pain, right? I sure am in a shit ton of pain when my stomach isn't working right. And there's an endless amount of people making jokes about how "the fear of being loved is the fear of being known" (the Eye). I get what he meant though.

And has a word doc with his backstory, four pages, arial 12, single-spaced

As someone obsessed with D&D and TMA, I adore this

@@fruitygarlic3601 same

Can confirm

@@margaridabento9726 as someone who is the note taker of my dnd group, yep

Yeah, I’m really sad for him. 😔

I actually always thought of him as a good guy. Glad to see I wasn't wrong.

He deserves to be seen by the fandom as a tragic hero. :< He couldn't escape the mess his mom made of his life or the confusion of the choices he made, but he still helped, in the end.

I DIED laughing at that part 😂

Yeah

Gerry*

Gosh, saaaaame. And the way John says "Noooooo" as he realizes slowly the implication... I wanted to throw my computer away.

Is the implication there about the fear of the other animals and creatures of earth?

Never mind, answered my own question

headcanon time; we, the listeners, *ARE* the eye. not an avatar, or monster, or anything, not like jon saying "is that me?" to gerry explaining the eye. we are THE eye.

​@Cheshire5174 this is my favourite headcannon I love this

Spoilers There's one more. Shhhhh.....

Mega Spoilers It was not supposed to be born. But "the events" made it... "incarnate"

@@belindaluna2067 which one?

@@belindaluna2067 BUT IS THERE?!?!?!?!?!

thank you so much I was going to make a list myself but didn't want to evoke their names myself

I think there are two more entities. Everything comes in opposing pairs: The Stranger and The Watcher The Spiral and The Dark The Meat and The Rot The Hunt and The Web The End and The Ashes The Narrowing and The Vast But The Alone is not opposite The Slaughter. Also, these opposing pairs come in linked pairs. Both "being watched by an unknown" and "not knowing another" are related to both "seeing things that are false" and "not seeing things" Both "being chased down" and "being tricked into walking to your own doom" are connected to both "I will be eaten" and "my remains will rot" Both "I will die" and "I will suffer" are linked to "violence is done to us all" Both "I am trapped in a small space" and "this space is too big" are connected to "I am alone" I propose additional entities currently insufficiently powerful to act: The Hate: The fear that you are personally being targeted, that your suffering and death are happening because someone holds malice for you *personally*. Seen prominently in paranoid schizophrenics. It opposes The Slaughter which is indifferent to your pains and connects obviously with death and suffering. The Crowd: You are utterly replaceable. There are a billion more just like you and if you didn't exist, it would not matter. This one is probably just starting to rev up due to the internet. It opposes The Lonely and connects with both The Vastness of the word holding so many people and The Narrowing of the space around you as more and more people press in.

They really went next level with this reconstruction of the situation, amazing 👏

@@ishner 👏👏👏👏 bravo

I've been following w the wiki per ep and the 14 have always been tagged and I was still stumped as to what they are and this ep is glorious as it all makes sense

I agree! It was that entire section that made this one of my favorite episodes so far.

Oh god, I know!!!

At least jon was his freaind before he was realesd

It really makes so much more sense of the Killing Floor episode...

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@@noomre9105 And that on 4/20 2020!!! BLESSED

You're just not looking hard enough

Marked by The Lonely, maybe :(

Maybe Joe Spooky became to distracted by sinister happenings

Ngl - I did, too 😂😂😂

same

ME TOO

Age 19

Same. Jon's pronunciation makes it really hard to identify that it was Gerard. In fact, one times I heard Elias, I think, say Gerard, and I just thought this was an entirely different person.

they are both very good

There are three and the third one is Michael Shelley

mood

I would 1000% read a fic like this. Heck, I may write one myself now.

@@loki1456 do it

A: new heacanon B: its spelled Lukas

I've loved him ever since he helped that old man retain his self when the Lonely tried to get him. Alone in a Crowd, I think it was.

I was 100% prepared.

I do, holy shit he's a good character. Shame he only actually appeared in this episode

@@ramanarendra537 Mild spoiler: The storyteller rule in TMA is that the dead stay dead... but old tapes can be played any time.

Every time we heard of him he was saving someone! (Exept that one time when he was a teenager) His mother was quite the monster but he was just a friendly Goth! I'm glad he finally found peace.

Gertrude doesn't like compelling people, Jon enjoys it.

@@mrjones2721 Same with statements Gertrude only read then aloud when she had to, John is obsessed with them.

Omg this is the best comment thread thank you all

Gertrude didn’t form attachments, Jon would probably get attached to a broken shoelace if it was left in the archives long enough

[SPOILERS FOR THE END OF S4] Gertrude knew what she was getting into and was always several steps ahead, Jon's been led to the ultimate doom like a lamb to the slaughter

it's like fire, or a puddle add more, it gets bigger

For a given value of the word "quick"...

Well, he promised to light up his page, so in a way...

Can I have a cigarette?

Same

I actually thought he would ask about her... a bit disappointed

that's what I was thinking!

I heard her story and I'm pretty sure she's been touched by the End. And people who have been touched by the End have abilities like premonition and true sight.

Well if she cant feel fear, it's unlikely she can be affected by it, so probably honestly

That's a spoiler.

@@nightowl8477 well technically it's something Jonny said was canon mostly as a joke. It's not in the actual episode, so i don't see why it would be a spoiler.

he needed a BATH

because there was a Jared. and two micheals. Cmon guys, theres more names in the english language

@@anemoi6803 and like 20 toms

And also a lot of millitary ranks (including 2 cats)

I don't necessarily think that's it. Most people feel varying degrees and kinds of love and joy and hope throughout life. Not everybody is scared of the dark, or of heights, etc. I don't think it's a matter of consistency so much as intensity: the fears are a manifestation of fear taken to an extreme; that nagging thing we all have to live with turned up so high it manifests into monsters and phenomena. No feeling can be dialed up to eleven without becoming detrimental - and, in the case of positive feelings, contradicting itself. Love becomes obsession, joy becomes mania, hope becomes delusion. Additionally, fear is universal, instinctual. Even fish and insects feel an inkling of it, a reflex to get away from danger. In the end, when one is taken to the end of their rope, fear always wins, because love and joy don't guarantee survival of the species, self preservation does.

I'm with Margarida on this one.

if you look to say warhammer 40k - the chaos entities are what they are because those emotions are more powerful more felt.

Idk cause it doesn't seem to be fear that stops Tim from quitting but the fact that his body starts giving up the ghost. :/

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And the corridors gave off the same creepy overwhelming feelings as looking at some of Leitner's books.

The voice effects for Gerard are really cool, IMO

Well, I figure all of them must hate The Beholding. Most of fear relies on the unknown.

I'm sure that some like to mess with other rituals, but it's the eye that constantly keeps an eye on what the others are up to... 👁️

I wonder if gertrudes dind't in fact want to do the eye ritual somehow, or maybe Elias wants and that is why he could have killed her, because i think most of the entities don't want other rituals to take place, but the eye may be the one that knows about others movements and can try to stop, but i don't know if it is so different from the others.

@@SwirlyPinwheel nobody likes the hall monitor

The tired babysitter

AND HAVING THE FEARS EXPLAINED WAS SUPER GREAT TOO. A LOT MAKES SENSE

Ah thank you!

vore

The Flesh is also body dysmorphia i think, like that bodybuilder episode.

@@Silversteeldragon that's a good point. How would you add that to the list? I'm having trouble finding the right words

@@chiaramangold7758 I think the Flesh is mostly summed up in the fear that we are just meat,like that all that we are are just...objects to be eaten,morphed or reformed like any other. It's not the only fear that does body-horror, but The Flesh tends to focus on it more due to that aspect. Fear of being just the flesh that we are and can't ascend from maybe?

why'd you have to put it in my head

...OH.

@@10brokenradios ooh he died, didn't he? so maybe Mary killed him before the Eye could?

@@-S.L. just keep listening, you'll know what happened to him soon enough

@@10brokenradios adventure ahoy!

Flustered ragey Jon is an adorable Jon.

The fact that her name was mary doesn't help...

@@apollyoniguess oh God yes

imo the Winchesters would probably serve the Hunt

Makes sense

Yeah I thought about that some time ago too! I mean, the fact that the tapes turn themselves on by themselves, and we listening through them, and the Eye seem to be related to the tapes (or something), so yeah, why not? And while it's a good and plausible explanation (also kind of badass of us if we're honest), I've always felt like we were more... like Jonh, actually. Like we want to know too. We're trapped in our thirst for knowledge and in our own curiosity as much as the Archivist team is. We keep coming back to listen for more, we learn more, about the lore, the entities, and now knowing the truth of what is really happening, do we want to leave it be and not know what happens next? I know I don't

@@itstictac2825 " We keep coming back to listen for more, we learn more, about the lore, the entities, and now knowing the truth of what is really happening, do we want to leave it be and not know what happens next? I know I don't" yeah we're like the eye :D

Because of what happened to her, she physically can’t feel it anymore. It’s impossible for her. Idk how else to explain it, sry