The Myth of Progress and the Collapse of Complex Societies - Chris Hedges

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A presentation at FACTS, FICTIONS, AND THE POLITICS OF TRUTH
Parkland Institute 2013 Conference.
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THE MYTH OF PROGRESS AND THE COLLAPSE OF COMPLEX SOCIETIES:
Fri, November 22, 2013 | 7:00 pm, CCIS, room 1-430
The naive belief in the myth of human progress, in endless material advancement and technological advancement, is a form of magical thinking. The very forces that allowed us to dominate nature, from the machine to the fossil fuel industry, are the same forces that, if left unchecked, will ensure our extinction. And yet, we cannot wrest ourselves away from our own creations as we ruthlessly exhaust and exploit a dying eco-system. This is how all civilizations vanish. The difference is that when we go down this time the whole planet will go with us. There will be no new lands to conquer, no new peoples to subjugate, no new resources to plunder. We must rise up in open revolt against the established systems of power that are herding us over the cliff or accept our death as a species.
CHRIS HEDGES: spent nearly two decades as a foreign correspondent in Central America, the Middle East, Africa and the Balkans. He has reported from more than 50 countries and has worked for The Christian Science Monitor, National Public Radio, The Dallas Morning News and The New York Times, for which he was a foreign correspondent for 15 years. He left the Times after being issued a formal reprimand for denouncing the Bush administration's invasion of Iraq.
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@rkrw576
@rkrw576 9 років тому
For anyone frustrated with the long preamble, Hedges comes on at 16 minutes.
@TimBitts649
@TimBitts649 8 років тому
+Robert Crawford thx!
@MrIzzyDizzy
@MrIzzyDizzy 8 років тому
+Robert Crawford my gosh i waded through 10 minutes - thanks for 6 minutes of time
@kkallebb
@kkallebb 8 років тому
+Robert Crawford Thanks for that information. You are a real public benefactor.
@jannd8170
@jannd8170 5 років тому
Robert Crawford I was just about to make that comment. Holy!
@kaninma7237
@kaninma7237 5 років тому
Much obliged.
@ChickpeatheTortie
@ChickpeatheTortie 8 років тому
Love Chris Hedges an American that isn't constantly wittering and twittering psuedo happiness - a true realist
@Nagoragama
@Nagoragama 8 років тому
+InfiniteSkeptic 60 The fact you discount everything he says because he is religious shows how intellectually dishonest you are.
@thenowchurch6419
@thenowchurch6419 7 років тому
Will Christie. That is correct and is how religion and religious texts should be considered. Thinking aint illegal yet.
@one4320
@one4320 4 роки тому
@@thenowchurch6419 thinking don't have to be made illegal...
@thenowchurch6419
@thenowchurch6419 4 роки тому
@@one4320 and neither should Cannabis have been. But that's another can of worms ! :)
@AndrewHorezga
@AndrewHorezga 3 роки тому
...he is a simplistic sooner....not very hard....and yet if this was 1970 you he would be doing the same schtick and you would be dooming just as hard...
@blowera1
@blowera1 5 років тому
I wish the audio quality matched the video quality :)
@bonganimkhwanazi2081
@bonganimkhwanazi2081 2 роки тому
Captions are your friend
@Rickwmc
@Rickwmc 10 років тому
You have a choice - you can be a rebel or remain a slave.
@jacy717
@jacy717 5 років тому
I cry for this country and what it’s done to it’s earlier inhabitants. I cry for Mother Earth and what we’ve done.
@arthurmontana8791
@arthurmontana8791 4 роки тому
I do not think that the colonists properly understood the value of the conservationist lifestyle of Native Americans. Moreover, many Native Americans were as equally prone to warfare as the colonists; just as we are as prone to warfare as were our forefathers.
@allenl8322
@allenl8322 3 роки тому
Government has always grown to the point it cannot be sustained. We are there now with the US. Socialism controls the country’s narrative socially and safety/security controls foreign policy. This is all at a time we can afford more of neither because the stole the economy to power grab their control of the country. The Founders of the Republic feared BIG GOVERNMENT! Our current leaders just want MORE GOVERNMENT! PROPAGANDA is their tool!!!
@markmelchin4310
@markmelchin4310 3 роки тому
@@arthurmontana8791 Native Americans being prone to warfare, whether true or not, does not in any way justify or make palatable the genocide they endured at our hands. it was amongst the gravest crimes against humanity in history, and comments like yours only make it harder for us to atone for this grave sin by letting people (and yourself) rationalize the unconscionable. shame on you.
@sitaroutreachministry6289
@sitaroutreachministry6289 2 роки тому
@@allenl8322 and you are their puppet.
@allenl8322
@allenl8322 2 роки тому
Star Outrage Ministry You are the MARIONETTE MARXIST governments keep in the basement until they need a fire at the Reichstag. Your ad hominem attacks only fuel the thirst of the people to educate themselves about the facts. Once they find out all the deaths perpetuated on humanity in the name of MARXISM, FACISM, and COMMUNISM UTOPIAS all other form of cultures will pail in comparison. Most Indian Tribes were brutal and prone to war with Neighboring Tribes. They didn’t invent the peace pipe for the “WHITE MAN!” Fortunately the country was big enough to allow them to spread out. It also had enough food resources that they could. Only those that wish to remain in some denial of the truth look at ancient cultures as all being an IDEALISTIC UTOPIA. Shame on you for shaming others that prefer truth over the psychedelic induced utopia.
@not2tees
@not2tees 9 років тому
Reading the comments on Chris Hedges videos discloses such a vortex of conflicting opinions, I have to say. Reading the Truthdig comments on Hedges' weekly columns there tends to make me actually wonder if some secret organization is paying people to degrade the tone of discussion in that section. I find him to be one of the most inspiring speakers, though, and I'm not alone.
@moshow93
@moshow93 9 років тому
Its not a conspiracy. Hedges thinks the 99% has a chance to prevail. He is sadly..wrong. 90% of the 99% are moronic, brainwashed, or both.
@MaggieTheCat01
@MaggieTheCat01 5 років тому
Urinal splashguard? or crocyamaka? I’ve been trying to rally support for demos and protests here in the UK, unfortunately to no avail. I’ve reached the stage where I don’t care anymore. I’m looking forward to hearing the sheep bleat with self pity when shtf.
@colinshaw3776
@colinshaw3776 5 років тому
Yes but does not facts remain solid,whilst opinions tremble from all the opposition they attract?
@Peacekeepa317
@Peacekeepa317 2 роки тому
Of course there are people in the comments paid to sway opinion. Snowden exposed that long ago. They're called "sock puppets". Look it up. They are desperate that we not look at the man behind the curtain....
@Mtnfarmer55
@Mtnfarmer55 2 роки тому
@@Peacekeepa317 Around a decade or so ago, Free Speech TV ran a documentary on the tea party and related evangelical right wing. In one section someone had filmed a workshop at a convention of theirs, where they taught the attendees how to troll and leave negative comments and feedback across social and public media, in all types of evil and really hate filled ways. The scary thing is that there’s pigs out there hiring people to go do that, but there’s an astounding number of such hateful, ignorant and malicious pigs who happily spend all of their free time checking thumbs down and leaving negative comments and reviews. Sheesh!!!
@antonyirvine9338
@antonyirvine9338 5 років тому
"The State is the altar of political freedom and, like the religious altar, it is maintained for the purpose of human sacrifice." Emma Goldman
@trenaceandblackmetal5621
@trenaceandblackmetal5621 3 роки тому
Humans are cattle
@williehaller5840
@williehaller5840 2 роки тому
@@trenaceandblackmetal5621 monkey cattle
@planetvegan7843
@planetvegan7843 Рік тому
Please do not insult cattle by comparing them to humans
@Felix2010w
@Felix2010w 3 роки тому
What's really depressing is that this is from 2013. Shit's gotten waaaaaayyy worse since then. We are witnessing the collapse of the most advanced civilization ever, in real-time, on twitter, facebook & Co. It will take thousands of years to rebuild anything close to our current societal level of complexity with almost all our easily accessible dense sources of energy depleted.
@michaeledwards2251
@michaeledwards2251 Рік тому
Don't forget the loss of metals: low % ores demand both high energy use and immense machinery.
@donedeal8385
@donedeal8385 Рік тому
That's why we have a bunch of demagogues hoarding resources. They are selfish, but they cover it with some idiotic notion they can save us.
@brianjacob8728
@brianjacob8728 Рік тому
Native cultures lived in harmony with nature. That's how I measure advanced. We are a fraud.
@unkleskratch
@unkleskratch 10 років тому
15:30 of preamble babble before the man steps up
@nicholaskostopulos8631
@nicholaskostopulos8631 2 роки тому
one of the most brilliant speeches i have ever heard. his notion of "sublime madness" is a call for life, made by people crippled by the system. listen, absorb, subscribe to the words and vision of this visionary who sings the only song of liberation left ..
@ivanwalker3391
@ivanwalker3391 2 роки тому
Psuedo, fascist, Christian, right. My god, did Chris Hedges ever hit "the nail" squarely on the head! "Along came a spider ....."
@cdluckett
@cdluckett 9 років тому
Hedges begins at 15:15
@smolderingfox4645
@smolderingfox4645 9 років тому
Thank you
@111Phoenix777
@111Phoenix777 2 роки тому
0:00:01 Trevor Harrison, Director of Parkland Institute -- Intro 0:04:20 Dr. Leslie Cormack, Dean of Arts, University of Alberta 0:09:30 Trevor Harrison, Director of Parkland Institute 0:15:48 Chris Hedges -- Speech 1:11:00 Chris Hedges -- Q&A
@agirlkeepssecrets6644
@agirlkeepssecrets6644 7 місяців тому
Hero
@mrzack888
@mrzack888 10 років тому
speech starts at 16:30 , the beginning is all fluff.
@brawndo8726
@brawndo8726 3 роки тому
The gift that keeps on giving. Thank you!
@alexianemp
@alexianemp 10 років тому
Dear Mr. Hedges. I have long understood Economics better than I have literature. Thank you. so many English professors have attempted to explain "Moby Dick" to me, I get it now, thanks. I never saw it in these terms before.
@brawndo8726
@brawndo8726 3 роки тому
Yes, but did you know Goldmember was a metaphor for Dutch inspired self consuming hedonistic capitalism? ukposts.info/have/v-deo/gJ6rfGdsn62llWw.html "Even old New York was once New Amsterdam Why they changed it I can't say People just liked it better that way"
@sydneyb.267
@sydneyb.267 4 роки тому
Seven years later, listen starting @ 1:37. At i:42, he perfectly describes our current situation.
@rjlewis3932
@rjlewis3932 8 років тому
The elephant in the room that nobody is addressing is the 800 TRILLION in outstanding derivatives. Global GDP is around 70 trillion per year. This means either the Fed or money center banks or both, are leveraged to the tune of 10 years of global GDP. This can only end one way - very, very badly.
@MWcrazyhorse
@MWcrazyhorse 8 років тому
+Frank Black Basicaly we're running on optimism. So fingers crossed I guess!
@dalisabe62
@dalisabe62 2 роки тому
All credit regardless of what you call it is basically fiction. It is the pseudo science of finance that created those fancy term like “derivatives” which at the core justifies financial theft and unjust transfer of wealth. Either you have something or you don’t. Floating fiat money don’t mean crap if it is not backed up by real productivity. We consume goods and services that we put the time effort and resources to create. Those goods and services must also be necessary or affordable; in other words, consumable. We have depleted natural resources in the production of toxic and wasteful gadgets without wise futurist vision. This poses the tough question: was the industrial revolution in its convoluted form a blessing or a curse?
@kiwitrainguy
@kiwitrainguy 2 роки тому
Well, I didn't borrow that money, so I don't have to pay it back.
@lsobrien
@lsobrien 2 роки тому
Steven Pinker's cultists should watch this.
@righttoleft7936
@righttoleft7936 2 роки тому
Yes, but Melville already explained why the likes of the Pinker cultists won't learn from it.
@lopezjraul
@lopezjraul 2 роки тому
So who is right? How can we know? I have no dog in the fight just curious how to tease out the most likely reality
@ishrendon6435
@ishrendon6435 2 роки тому
Steven pinker is an elite upper class man who doesnt see reality as it is. He claims the world is getting richer.... as an economics student i can say confidently nobody believes that nonsense especially in africa and latin america .
@robertmurdock8164
@robertmurdock8164 2 роки тому
Like the way Chris describes our present social system and how in our economic system everything becomes a commodity ie human beings and the natural world exploited to the point of exhaustion or destruction
@AnEnemy100
@AnEnemy100 3 роки тому
“I do not fight fascists because I will win. I fight fascists because they are fascists.”
@amyanderson4099
@amyanderson4099 2 роки тому
One of my favorite quotes may it being is all strength. .we're gonna need it
@nochepatada
@nochepatada 3 роки тому
Chris Hedges 15:58 "I love titles like that..."
@manufacturedreality8706
@manufacturedreality8706 2 роки тому
Nearly all great civilizations that perished did so because they had crystallized, because they were incapable of adapting themselves to new conditions, new methods, new points of view. It is as though people would rather die than change.” - Eleanor Roosevelt
@ishrendon6435
@ishrendon6435 2 роки тому
Human nature sadly. The US still claims liberal democratic vslues are the only way to go and if you contest this youre either a communist or facist. Which is ridiculous because liberalism is failing and democracy is crumbling everywhere
@fluentpiffle
@fluentpiffle Рік тому
Rebellion is an essential aspect of progress..
@rob5197
@rob5197 Рік тому
Changes are what got our societies decline - - progress is not about changes per Se
@antonyirvine9338
@antonyirvine9338 5 років тому
And now the wheels of heaven stop You feel the devil's riding crop Get ready for the future It is murder -Leonard Cohen
@marymolloy562
@marymolloy562 Рік тому
I was a great fan of his but despair was his niche!
@looseunit9180
@looseunit9180 2 роки тому
That was one of the most important speeches I have ever heard 🙏🏻
@miniwaern
@miniwaern 6 років тому
16:00 start of conference
@felipearbustopotd
@felipearbustopotd 9 місяців тому
Thank you for uploading and sharing.
@jamesboulger8705
@jamesboulger8705 2 роки тому
Christopher explains in a previous lecture the flaw of a pessimistic/optimistic dichotomy. I see this in how we constantly count our eggs before they hatch. where a disconnect exists between current problems today and purported technologies that are supposed to fix those problems in some vaguely outlined future. These speculations are fueled by billionaires that decide where we, as a species, choose to invest the capital of our society. The problem is, as we have seen in the Theranos debacle, they are easily swayed by a black turtleneck and can't be bothered to go ask any medical technologist or pathologist the physical limitations at play in our technologies.
@bullshitvendor
@bullshitvendor 2 роки тому
why oh why are all these aulas utterly plagued bv such inept sound system incompetence. how hard can it be to delegate resposability to to make these bloody things work
@Cathyblj
@Cathyblj 2 роки тому
He predicted the January 6, 2021 riot at 1:42:15
@valeriekeefe8898
@valeriekeefe8898 Рік тому
He predicted COVID Tyranny and Fascism around 25:30... But that's not relevant to your interests.
@ajfletcher8350
@ajfletcher8350 2 роки тому
I love Chris but it was hard to listen to with such poor audio
@Zarathrustrasite
@Zarathrustrasite 6 років тому
hedges has simply combined the ideas of JOSEPH TAINTER & JOHN MICHAEL GREER;if you like this,check them out
@dreamingrightnow1174
@dreamingrightnow1174 3 роки тому
It's not the first time Hedges has been called out for his lack of original thought. You have to be very well read to know when he's quoting an original text. He weaves it in direct quotes with paraphrasing and it's difficult to decern. Read this comment section: full of accolades for Hedges' brilliance; most of them don't realize these are not his ideas.
@5508Vanderdekken
@5508Vanderdekken 2 роки тому
@@dreamingrightnow1174 You comment, if true, gives off an impression that Hedges' borrowing from others is a negative thing. Why? If you have to be very well read to be exposed to these ideas, why wouldn't someone "parroting" these ideas, regularly, in a more digestible format, be helpful?
@5508Vanderdekken
@5508Vanderdekken 2 роки тому
@Andrew Onymous so do you want to make any comments about hedges exposing more people to these ideas or do you want to just be a pedantic bitch and whine about how he's not citing his sources in the correct format
@5508Vanderdekken
@5508Vanderdekken 2 роки тому
@Andrew Onymous hey champ - just checking in to see if you still care about rules more than spreading important messages
@misterguts
@misterguts 8 років тому
When people en masse absorb what this guy is talking about: Goodbye Blue Monday.
@oscarrobert4725
@oscarrobert4725 5 років тому
Love Chris
@oscarrobert4725
@oscarrobert4725 5 років тому
Hedges Rocks
@horizonsouthmedia6060
@horizonsouthmedia6060 4 роки тому
Is there better audio that can be edited into this video?
@AxmedBahjad
@AxmedBahjad 11 місяців тому
"The American people are mine now. They can't leave our elite ideologies: entertainment, fast food and America is the greatest countryon planet." Ahab.
@Anne2u
@Anne2u Рік тому
People need to go back to living on small farms and selling or trading locally, protecting the family and their communities. If we cut a tree, plant 3, if we eat a fruit, plant it's seeds, take some, but leave some for others. Our way of life is not lived within the laws of the planet.
@hinteregions
@hinteregions Рік тому
I don't, although it sounds nice. What I need is some regluations put back on 'the market' before it kills us all.
@coolworx
@coolworx 6 років тому
Technology! Solving today's problems, by creating Tomorrow's!
@shahabmos5130
@shahabmos5130 5 років тому
oh yeeeah ,lets go amish . piss out .
@carlwessels2671
@carlwessels2671 3 роки тому
Noah Namey so right what you may have missed is that tomorrows problems are always bigger. We always double down on our bets,by making things more complex and fragile. Sooner or later our bet will be wrong. Then the die off will start, maybe ending in our extinction. You can't have infinite growth on a finite planet.
@SaZooCaballero
@SaZooCaballero 10 років тому
15:55 Chris Hedges
@Orf
@Orf 7 років тому
01:38:00 occupy leaders still being hounded by authorities?
@williehaller5840
@williehaller5840 2 роки тому
Probly
@kiwitrainguy
@kiwitrainguy 2 роки тому
It depends on how active they are.
@MrMultiMediat0r
@MrMultiMediat0r 3 роки тому
The talk doesn't start until 15:45
@yosivin1
@yosivin1 5 місяців тому
16:00 SPEECH START
@dawnjohnson8839
@dawnjohnson8839 Рік тому
A Prophet. He speaks to my, our condition.
@joeymurdazalotmore6355
@joeymurdazalotmore6355 2 роки тому
He dimed this. 10 flawless unique yet very familiar a decent man with a brain. How few r left
@jamesroach8841
@jamesroach8841 8 років тому
Progress isn't a myth, but a process with biological limits. That it can end in some kind of condition that is satisfactory to all, and that goes on forever, or at least for geological time-scales, is the myth. Every educated person knows that. So the question isn't just how much is possible, and how sustainable is some degree of it, but how much of it is satisfactory and to whom? Even with the best possible government and culture underlying it, there comes a point at which people, quite sensibly, slack off and enjoy what they've got, because they don't want more. This happens whether or not they attain awareness of their own mortality and that of the human species. In preference to whom Hedges quotes, I like Aristophanes' "At last one gets enough of sunsets, cabbages, and love." Anyone born with the wit to make sense of the world in all its biological complexity, civilizations included, sees what Aristophanes did as a child when looking at adults, but especially at their own parents. That most people aren't born with enough wit to see that is what makes the human species, as a whole, self-destructive as Ahab and others who, dissatisfied with themselves, turn destructive to others and themselves when their circumstances are more fortunate than others'. That's what tyranny is all about, in the defining sense. The tyrant achieves or is born to wealth and power, but is still the same miserable bastard or bitch he or she always was or would have been in any case. Montaigne put it this way, "On the highest throne in the world, we're still sitting on our own rump." This should not be cause for misanthropy, but for skepticism of the motives of anyone who from a place of comfort, further afflicts the already uncomfortable with their conduct, under the claim that it's for the sake of progress, or their own good, or some combination thereof, or with the excuse that achievement is increased by adding hindrances to the already existing ones. Not everyone is a sadomasochist, but unfortunately for the rest of us, most people essentially are: Luxury isn't what sates them, but ruin is, especially the spectacle of someone else's ruin. That is what makes tragedy in theater and music so enjoyable to most people, and comedy in theater and music the mainstay of people who are more benign than most. Lyric, joyful music in particular, or poetry celebrative in tone, is what happens when the best of both worlds meet, when the comically inclined, capable of happiness, are happy in the comfortable circumstances that agree with them. Hedges is evidently aware of all of that, but is only foolishly consistent in the inconsistency with which he deploys his terms, and in some of his observations of the ruling class. Most of them are trolls, but aren't most people of any class also predominantly trollish? Like everything else, it comes in degrees, and isn't particularly selective according to the class you're born into. This does not invalidate his critique or his predictions of global catastrophe, but it does make them overly pessimistic when it comes to time scales and degree of damage to the biosphere. He gives civilization only decades, and the human species, scraping by like a paltry few rats amid the ruins left behind by self-slaughtered billions, perhaps a further century or two, as the greenhouse effect runs away past the point of no return to equilibrium, which ends all life on Earth. My own view is that we have at least a century or two more of civilization, then collapse and extinction of the human species over the course of a couple of millennia, as the climate swings to conditions inhospitable to us, but not far enough to go past the tipping-point fatal to all life. A million years hence the world will be pretty much as it was a million years ago, though so much reduced in biodiversity, especially of big and complex organisms, that sentience will more than likely never evolve on it again. The planet will be alive but unconscious, and the tiny portion of all our artifacts that have not escaped obliteration will remain undiscovered by any creature capable of interpreting them. On the whole I agree with Hedges, and appreciate his intellectual rigor, honesty, and humane decency, but differ with him only in emphasis because, dread as I do what is to come that is beyond my power to alter, I've been more fortunate than he has, and am more worn out from what I've enjoyed than what I've endured, and wish only for a little more time and quiet to reflect on both as darkness gathers, in the process of slowing its fall.
@TomDoesUtube
@TomDoesUtube 8 років тому
+James Roach Yes you hit it on the head .. but brother .. so what .. everything is in flux .. constantly changing .. its both good and bad ..lol.. I should say neither good or bad .. it just is .. mankind - planet - solar system - galaxy - the universe itself ... is all temporary .. its all just spins round and round .. no big deal .. no grasping ..just enjoying the ride .....
@robertbennet8814
@robertbennet8814 8 років тому
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@chiparoo222
@chiparoo222 8 років тому
Put your life on the line - right now - within your snotty attitude - you'll surely cry a different viewpoint.
@nash984954
@nash984954 6 років тому
The main impetus then, is to do the most good for the most people, if possible, under given circumstances, and have no illusion, that the human species is very adaptable and will often endure to the point of normalisation, the worse circumstances and situations. A point often will be reached when the humans' capacity for acceptance of travail will reach a limit, it is then when their restraint will disengage, and they will act, emphatically purposely to correct the evil. Humans know what is fair as if there's an internal gauge, and they will accept even less than fair on behalf of others whose given state must be accepted as is for them, for their sake. I agree.
@carlwessels2671
@carlwessels2671 3 роки тому
I disagree, with our connectedness this civilization could fail very rapidly. Agree with most of what you said.
@PeterMcLoughlinStargazer1877
@PeterMcLoughlinStargazer1877 10 років тому
a modern day Boethius only the fall of Rome wasn't as bad as our fall is going to be.
@PeterMcLoughlinStargazer1877
@PeterMcLoughlinStargazer1877 10 років тому
All my means are sane but my motive and my object mad. Ahab from Moby Dick. Good epitaph for Western Civ's tombstone.
@PeterMcLoughlinStargazer1877
@PeterMcLoughlinStargazer1877 10 років тому
Peter McLoughlin another good quote. I do not fight fascists because I know I can win but because they are fascists.
@allurbase
@allurbase 5 років тому
Around 40:00 starts talking about how to revolt, before it mostly talks about how we are marching towards our own self destruction (which most of us already know)
@YO3A007
@YO3A007 5 років тому
lighten up. sooner or later we all die.
@stevenwilliambaylessparks3730
@stevenwilliambaylessparks3730 5 років тому
Two speeches stretched out in to one overly long. However, who else speaks the truth so clearly.
@panpsychism_
@panpsychism_ 2 роки тому
The Hedges talk begins here 16:02 anything prior to that is drivel.
@rrbeats2004
@rrbeats2004 8 років тому
go chris
@mikemccarthy1638
@mikemccarthy1638 9 місяців тому
1. The reverb in the echo chamber is just too much for us w/ even mild attentional or intellectual disabilities. 2. The momentous content is overwhelmed by a) the momentous failure to edit it both for excessive length (without the loss of a single meaningful point, eg, redundancy being the surplus waste resulting from failure to finish the task) and b) failure to structure the content to the ordinary rhythm & cadence humans evolved with before the introduction & primacy of the written word, ie, during our thousands of years under oral traditions. The man is brilliant. I have listened to this twice. I follow the narratives & the concepts as he goes, but find in the end when it’s over that I don’t carry away as much as I would want. This is a 1st draft w/ -0- edits. I cannot go to an editing process because, when I finished it, it would be a speech about half as long as his that might include - - a discussion of what was lost of “prehistoric” humans’ benefits from living orally in small groups in the “state of nature”, unhindered by the tyranny of “Civilization and its Discontents” - the tyranny of being governed by the writings of dead men in the service of a small group of live ones; - that history is just a succession of stories largely based on the arbitrary conditions in place as each story plays out, eg, had the US not committed mercantile aggression against the feudal Japanese empire in 1854, Japan would not have rapidly industrialized, militarized, and, by 1905 obliterated the Russian Navy, defeated the Russian empire, triggered the 1905 Russian revolution, and so thoroughly weakened them that they were unable to deter Germany from starting WWI. So, no US empire, no rudely-awakened Japan, no disabling of the Russian empire, no WWI, no Russian revolutions 1905-1917, no war USSR, no Holodomar, a phase-out begun of the 4-5 empires w/ global reach, a peaceful European balance of power as industrialization spread to the Urals, and in Asia, much less likelihood of the 60-yr continental terror wrought by Japan, and everywhere, no nuclear weapons… (The previous fantasy was brought to you by the “NOT US empire” that courtesy of US Gen. Curtis LeMay in WWII introduced napalm and civilian bombing campaigns that killed a million or so civilians in Europe & Japan, an innovation so successful that civilian bombing campaigns in Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos & Thailand killed several million more civilians by the mid-70s. (A British MI-6 analyst stationed in Korea observed that in the whole of N. Korea, when LeMay was finished, there was not a single building or structure of any significant size left standing. He was so horrified that he defected to the Soviet Union.)
@chiparoo222
@chiparoo222 7 років тому
Amen ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
@Partysize2
@Partysize2 9 місяців тому
So what is the solution to our problems?
@abcrane
@abcrane 7 років тому
why are the humanitarian intellectuals not leading the world..I mean, truly leading the world? why are not the Chomskys and Hedges' not in the White House or even leading the business world? I suppose they are simply outnumbered by status quo leaders and commoners. How do we get these people up front and center stage, not in academia and in public libraries but in the political and economic roles where true change can be made? let us ponder this, let us critically think up a strategy to get these guys into the right roles...the roles that rightfully belong to them!
@allurbase
@allurbase 5 років тому
Because only one thing can get you in power and the ones who have it are not about to give it away for their own demise, they will only give some to those who promise them more, and on, and on...
@Camboge
@Camboge 3 роки тому
The sound guy needed to adjust the gain/fader and eq
@anthonywesley5306
@anthonywesley5306 2 роки тому
We are Hamlet. All we can do is condemn those who have already murdered us with poison.
@keyboarddancers7751
@keyboarddancers7751 8 місяців тому
Rigorous debate in canadian universities is now an arid environment.
@timstein9779
@timstein9779 3 роки тому
Oy, the audio.
@painterQjensen
@painterQjensen 7 років тому
Ive been down so long lord, down so long, dont worry mee. 1:01:01
@williehaller5840
@williehaller5840 2 роки тому
Im on that train lord lord
@enricogallegos9402
@enricogallegos9402 3 роки тому
Most of the world is ASLEEP.
@Ptaku93
@Ptaku93 2 роки тому
54:31 uhhh, ok I was with you until now But the apparent contradiction of "the Christian right is bonkers lul" mentioned at the beginning and the positive reading of black Christian expierience was the early warning sign
@Anne2u
@Anne2u Рік тому
Thank you Chris Hedges, and everyone who made this possible.
@TheChats02
@TheChats02 8 років тому
Please excuse my typo below. I meant "addiction".
@vasudama
@vasudama 8 років тому
+TheChats02 Did you know you can edit your comments - there is an edit button on the right.
@jceepf
@jceepf 2 роки тому
Do not worry we are the CSIS bldg because it is the only one they did not bother to bug.
@niilespunkari8832
@niilespunkari8832 5 років тому
Chris @ 15:52
@nsbd90now
@nsbd90now 11 місяців тому
I sure like Chris Hedges, but the audio on this was intolerable and I was unable to listen to it.
@TheChats02
@TheChats02 8 років тому
One reason to regret the mass extinction of sea life is that many new medicines, such as pain killers, come from animals in the sea such as sea snakes and snails. They could yield painkillers without addition. But that won't happen if we allow the ruin of our seas.
@dalisabe62
@dalisabe62 2 роки тому
It’s man made versus nature. Usually the two compromise each other. More industry simply means more toxins and more pollution that affects every part of nature. Industrialists are not in the business of looking after nature. The happy campers and the public parks visitors must hang up in huge crowds and counterpart the industrialists. Otherwise, politicians go with the bigger flow of contributions, which typically come from the industrialists.
@Cinepobrefilmfestival
@Cinepobrefilmfestival 7 місяців тому
a realist with a penchant for Utopia
@mattd2641
@mattd2641 3 роки тому
Skip the intros, guys. 16 minutes is way overdoing it.
@ahmedalshatti3230
@ahmedalshatti3230 3 роки тому
Better to suffer wrong than to do wrong
@dalisabe62
@dalisabe62 2 роки тому
Easier said than done.
@angelsplace
@angelsplace 3 місяці тому
16:00
@PolarBear0110
@PolarBear0110 2 роки тому
I'm glad I didn't have to pay for this speech. I want to know more about the subject not a reading of the book Moby Dick if I want that I'll read the book myself.
@PILGRIM001
@PILGRIM001 10 років тому
wow!!!!!!1
@davidpeppers551
@davidpeppers551 2 роки тому
15:55 Heges starts speaking
@fluentpiffle
@fluentpiffle Рік тому
Truth is the only genuine 'authority'.. spaceandmotion
@AnEnemy100
@AnEnemy100 3 роки тому
Starts at 15:50 (!!!)
@ahmedalshatti3230
@ahmedalshatti3230 3 роки тому
We have to choose either will rebellion or slaves to
@GnosisMan50
@GnosisMan50 7 років тому
lousy audio...
@shahzadzafar71
@shahzadzafar71 4 роки тому
A great presentation but awful audio.
@Hasan_Piker_Fan
@Hasan_Piker_Fan 2 роки тому
Skip to 16:00 for Hedges
@tomfreemanorourke1519
@tomfreemanorourke1519 Рік тому
Being 70, learning, understanding, observation, re-examination and experience 247 365. Deindustrialisation or the technological evolution of meta- industrialisation in this 21st century that really began in the 1940's and has its roots in ww2. Shifting across continents in the pursuit of hegemonic dominance enforced by the perpetual phenomena that is at the core of all goals in life at all levels, defined as 'conflicts of interests', a perpetually unbalanced human condition. Natural......a global collective of innocently ignorant individuals ..... What can one do about it? Answers will differ I suspect, but doesn't that mean .....hmm. Love always
@AxmedBahjad
@AxmedBahjad 11 місяців тому
The introduction is useful. Introduces mustn’t be near the 🎤
@thethikboy
@thethikboy 5 років тому
I tire of all the congratulations and thank you preliminaries on and on -
@dalisabe62
@dalisabe62 2 роки тому
Academic elite culture that is unnecessary and should phase out.
@stuartzoo
@stuartzoo 9 місяців тому
15:57
@aajwoodward
@aajwoodward 9 років тому
if you can set aside your bias, you've done good work. If you can't you've done nothing.
@josiesride
@josiesride 8 місяців тому
🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@ronkrate609
@ronkrate609 9 місяців тому
Why is Hedges one of 3 humans left who vehemently deny that Ralph Nader cost the Dems the presidency?
@PetadeAztlan
@PetadeAztlan 9 років тому
▶ The Myth of Progress and the Collapse of Complex Societies - Chris Hedges: ukposts.info/have/v-deo/f5-lh4SubalnqHk.html ~Pub Dec 13, 2013 via Parkland Institute GOTO 15:50 ++++ ▶ Connect @Peta_de_Aztlan ++++
@marlenesoifer7219
@marlenesoifer7219 Рік тому
I am one of those persons BIG TIME
@grayarcana
@grayarcana 6 років тому
What power does America think it has?
@dalisabe62
@dalisabe62 2 роки тому
America has a strong army and a fiat dollar, but that will collapse too. When massive backlash by nature overtakes modern societies, our human forces stand so trivial in the face of natural forces. Consider an age of floods, forest fire, deadly pandemics or earthquakes.
@mull2one
@mull2one Рік тому
15:37 for content
@ClarksonFisherIII
@ClarksonFisherIII 6 років тому
i love the lady at 1:27:30
@Johnconno
@Johnconno 6 років тому
Hedges comes on at 21 minutes, after the time-traveller from 1978.
@manufacturedreality8706
@manufacturedreality8706 2 роки тому
A fish rots from the head down.
@douglascarlson9006
@douglascarlson9006 2 роки тому
We don't get Chris 'til the 16:00m mark ...
@mjprose4843
@mjprose4843 4 роки тому
He cares.
@ahmedalshatti3230
@ahmedalshatti3230 3 роки тому
Radicals need a moment of crisis
@ilkatrailrunner467
@ilkatrailrunner467 9 місяців тому
Wow. Stunningly prescient considering what’s been going on since this talk- in the US, in Canada, the world. His answer to the last question predicted T**** and todays Republican Party.
@joeymurdazalotmore6355
@joeymurdazalotmore6355 2 роки тому
7 yrs old just found it today. Chomskys so old. Hedges is less yet is better because he knows he's not noam. Hedges reminds me of william shirer reincarnated. I count hedges snowden chomsky has hero's true americans. Not baseball uncle sam gi joe. Or sergeant shoots. The hoardes if guided this way would be helpful n as likely as a handshakes on the eastern front of the second germany vs the world things. The courage n moral of those folks r needed now and there is nothing of those achieved left. Nothing.
@victortatevosyan4001
@victortatevosyan4001 3 роки тому
Bring back the Wobblies
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